I think we are getting close to saying "Sayonara" to our trusted old 
Toshiba, from 1998, picture still fine, teletext is knackered - sometimes 
works, most often doesnt - and one or two other minor things have stopped 
working but colour etc, still excellent. But I'd like to know best deals out 
there - but NOT one of those "Made in Turkey" ones that all the cheapies 
seem to be from Bush and all the other corner cutters. Preferably another 
Tosh, but I noticed some have THREE scart connections in the back (JVC the 
first I noticed for this) and I like that idea.
Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)

Thus spaketh Phil:

> I think we are getting close to saying "Sayonara" to our trusted old
> Toshiba, from 1998, picture still fine, teletext is knackered -
> sometimes works, most often doesnt - and one or two other minor
> things have stopped working but colour etc, still excellent. But I'd
> like to know best deals out there - but NOT one of those "Made in
> Turkey" ones that all the cheapies seem to be from Bush and all the
> other corner cutters. Preferably another Tosh, but I noticed some
> have THREE scart connections in the back (JVC the first I noticed for
> this) and I like that idea. Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)


Also low end Toshiba's, JVCs and several other brand names use "Made in 
Turkey" ones - the same ones in the budget brands just badged up as the brand 
name.

"Phil"  wrote in message 
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>I think we are getting close to saying "Sayonara" to our trusted old 
>Toshiba, from 1998, picture still fine, teletext is knackered - sometimes 
>works, most often doesnt - and one or two other minor things have stopped 
>working but colour etc, still excellent. But I'd like to know best deals 
>out there - but NOT one of those "Made in Turkey" ones that all the 
>cheapies seem to be from Bush and all the other corner cutters. Preferably 
>another Tosh, but I noticed some have THREE scart connections in the back 
>(JVC the first I noticed for this) and I like that idea.
> Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)
>


Problem with the three scart ones is that most times they still only have 
one RGB input.

Preferably another

> Tosh, but I noticed some have THREE scart connections in the back (JVC the 
> first I noticed for this) and I like that idea.
> Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)


Well. If you want a Tosh then buy the 32ZP46 or 48 (5.1 decoding and 
external speakers). Comes 3 scarts and RCA component i/p's 2 scarts are RGB 
enabled. This produces a rather excellent picture and very good sound to 
boot. Uses Activision technology, a bit like Philips Pixel+. I'd advise a 
view of it though as the picture is of a rather rosy nature rather than 
natural (it cannot be adjusted to look natural!). It has 3 viewing modes 
though, Normal, Warm and Cool... a bit like a colour temperature control on 
a PC monitor.

A more natural picture alternative and better built but poorer sound and 
without 5.1 decoding is the Panasonic 32PD50.
This has 4 (yes 4) scarts and RCA component i/p's. 2 are 
RGB/S-Video/composite enabled. 1 is S-video/composite enabled and 1 just 
plain composite (ideal for a video recorder i/p). This uses Panasonics 
Acuity processing that increases the line scan to 833 with 75Hz picture 
processing. Normal 100Hz is also possible.
Added benefit of the Panasonic is PIP (picture in picture) and PAP (picture 
and picture) and multi window picture (allows all analogue channels to be 
seen at the same time).
This also has 3 viewing modes as Tosh.

Both do progressive scan.

These are my top 2 recommendations. Both can be had for similiar money which 
is around 600 which is at present a bargain because the Tosh was about 
1200 last year and the Panny about 1300.

There are about another 3 I would consider but I doubt any of them are such 
a bargain.

Steve

I too am after a new widescreen 28" or 32" telly, but with integrated 
digital tv decoder fitted inside? must have s-video in port also. anyone 
have any suggestions?

Thanks

"Stevie Boy"  wrote in message 
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>
> Preferably another
>> Tosh, but I noticed some have THREE scart connections in the back (JVC 
>> the first I noticed for this) and I like that idea.
>> Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)
>
> Well. If you want a Tosh then buy the 32ZP46 or 48 (5.1 decoding and 
> external speakers). Comes 3 scarts and RCA component i/p's 2 scarts are 
> RGB enabled. This produces a rather excellent picture and very good sound 
> to boot. Uses Activision technology, a bit like Philips Pixel+. I'd advise 
> a view of it though as the picture is of a rather rosy nature rather than 
> natural (it cannot be adjusted to look natural!). It has 3 viewing modes 
> though, Normal, Warm and Cool... a bit like a colour temperature control 
> on a PC monitor.
>
> A more natural picture alternative and better built but poorer sound and 
> without 5.1 decoding is the Panasonic 32PD50.
> This has 4 (yes 4) scarts and RCA component i/p's. 2 are 
> RGB/S-Video/composite enabled. 1 is S-video/composite enabled and 1 just 
> plain composite (ideal for a video recorder i/p). This uses Panasonics 
> Acuity processing that increases the line scan to 833 with 75Hz picture 
> processing. Normal 100Hz is also possible.
> Added benefit of the Panasonic is PIP (picture in picture) and PAP 
> (picture and picture) and multi window picture (allows all analogue 
> channels to be seen at the same time).
> This also has 3 viewing modes as Tosh.
>
> Both do progressive scan.
>
> These are my top 2 recommendations. Both can be had for similiar money 
> which is around 600 which is at present a bargain because the Tosh was 
> about 1200 last year and the Panny about 1300.
>
> There are about another 3 I would consider but I doubt any of them are 
> such a bargain.
>
> Steve
> 

> Also low end Toshiba's, JVCs and several other brand names use "Made in
> Turkey" ones - the same ones in the budget brands just badged up as the 
> brand name.


If you look at the lower range of Toshiba's Widescreen CRT's they all 
exhibit a very similiar picture to it's top of the range CRT model so I 
doubt they use any cheap and nasty third party parts in their sets. However 
to keep costs down they may well be put together in a cheaper labour country 
and the casing may well be some *off the shelf* job.

Steve

"Stevie Boy"  wrote in message 
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>
> Preferably another
>> Tosh, but I noticed some have THREE scart connections in the back (JVC 
>> the first I noticed for this) and I like that idea.
>> Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)
>
> Well. If you want a Tosh then buy the 32ZP46 or 48 (5.1 decoding and 
> external speakers). Comes 3 scarts and RCA component i/p's 2 scarts are 
> RGB enabled. This produces a rather excellent picture and very good sound 
> to boot. Uses Activision technology, a bit like Philips Pixel+. I'd advise 
> a view of it though as the picture is of a rather rosy nature rather than 
> natural (it cannot be adjusted to look natural!). It has 3 viewing modes 
> though, Normal, Warm and Cool... a bit like a colour temperature control 
> on a PC monitor.
>
> A more natural picture alternative and better built but poorer sound and 
> without 5.1 decoding is the Panasonic 32PD50.
> This has 4 (yes 4) scarts and RCA component i/p's. 2 are 
> RGB/S-Video/composite enabled. 1 is S-video/composite enabled and 1 just 
> plain composite (ideal for a video recorder i/p). This uses Panasonics 
> Acuity processing that increases the line scan to 833 with 75Hz picture 
> processing. Normal 100Hz is also possible.
> Added benefit of the Panasonic is PIP (picture in picture) and PAP 
> (picture and picture) and multi window picture (allows all analogue 
> channels to be seen at the same time).
> This also has 3 viewing modes as Tosh.
>
> Both do progressive scan.
>
> These are my top 2 recommendations. Both can be had for similiar money 
> which is around 600 which is at present a bargain because the Tosh was 
> about 1200 last year and the Panny about 1300.
>
> There are about another 3 I would consider but I doubt any of them are 
> such a bargain.
>
> Steve


I've got the Toshiba 32ZP48. I'm really pleased with it and I doubt you'd 
find a better TV at that price (about 650 last time I looked). I've never 
used the built in DD5.1 though as I've got a separate amp, but it'll 
probably do the trick. If size is a factor but you don't want to compromise 
the screen size then this is the one to go for as it is a picture frame TV. 
It's a lot smaller than our old 28" TV.

Siggy

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"  wrote in message 
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> Thus spaketh Phil:
>> I think we are getting close to saying "Sayonara" to our trusted old
>> Toshiba, from 1998, picture still fine, teletext is knackered -
>> sometimes works, most often doesnt - and one or two other minor
>> things have stopped working but colour etc, still excellent. But I'd
>> like to know best deals out there - but NOT one of those "Made in
>> Turkey" ones that all the cheapies seem to be from Bush and all the
>> other corner cutters. Preferably another Tosh, but I noticed some
>> have THREE scart connections in the back (JVC the first I noticed for
>> this) and I like that idea. Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)
>
> Also low end Toshiba's, JVCs and several other brand names use "Made in 
> Turkey" ones - the same ones in the budget brands just badged up as the 
> brand name.
>

Now that I didnt know - I thought Tosh and JVC were safe from that.

"Stevie Boy"  wrote in message 
news:3o0qipF3nf3lU1@individual.net...

>
> Preferably another
>> Tosh, but I noticed some have THREE scart connections in the back (JVC 
>> the first I noticed for this) and I like that idea.
>> Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)
>
> Well. If you want a Tosh then buy the 32ZP46 or 48 (5.1 decoding and 
> external speakers). Comes 3 scarts and RCA component i/p's 2 scarts are 
> RGB enabled. This produces a rather excellent picture and very good sound 
> to boot. Uses Activision technology, a bit like Philips Pixel+. I'd advise 
> a view of it though as the picture is of a rather rosy nature rather than 
> natural (it cannot be adjusted to look natural!). It has 3 viewing modes 
> though, Normal, Warm and Cool... a bit like a colour temperature control 
> on a PC monitor.
>
> A more natural picture alternative and better built but poorer sound and 
> without 5.1 decoding is the Panasonic 32PD50.
> This has 4 (yes 4) scarts and RCA component i/p's. 2 are 
> RGB/S-Video/composite enabled. 1 is S-video/composite enabled and 1 just 
> plain composite (ideal for a video recorder i/p). This uses Panasonics 
> Acuity processing that increases the line scan to 833 with 75Hz picture 
> processing. Normal 100Hz is also possible.
> Added benefit of the Panasonic is PIP (picture in picture) and PAP 
> (picture and picture) and multi window picture (allows all analogue 
> channels to be seen at the same time).
> This also has 3 viewing modes as Tosh.
>
> Both do progressive scan.
>
> These are my top 2 recommendations. Both can be had for similiar money 
> which is around 600 which is at present a bargain because the Tosh was 
> about 1200 last year and the Panny about 1300.
>
> There are about another 3 I would consider but I doubt any of them are 
> such a bargain.
>
> Steve
>



Thanks for the good info !

Yes, get the Tosh - brilliant!

>I too am after a new widescreen 28" or 32" telly, but with integrated
> digital tv decoder fitted inside? must have s-video in port also. anyone 
> have any suggestions?
>

IMV Sony make the best integrated Freeview sets as they are a direct replica 
of a tuner of the VTX-D800 stb which provides a top notch picture.

Look at the KD-28DX200 or the 32DX200 (32") Both use DRC-MF which is some 
sort of picture control. Constantly monitoring the signal, adjusting as 
required.

Otherwise look at the KV-32FQ86 plain vanilla. This uses Picture power which 
is a novel way of controling contrast and brightness to provide ideal 
sharp(er) images. It does this by sampling light and dark areas.

With Sony's though the Trinitron tube is always a drawback for some due to 
it's inability to provide any front to back depth in great proportion. Plus 
side I always find is it's great rendition of natural colours.

For the best in front to back depth you need to look at a Philips or Loewe 
but niether I believe do integrated Freeview sets.

Price wise You'll have to look yourself as I'm not to sure on these.

Steve

thanks stevie, ill check it out

"Stevie Boy"  wrote in message 
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>
>>I too am after a new widescreen 28" or 32" telly, but with integrated
>> digital tv decoder fitted inside? must have s-video in port also. anyone 
>> have any suggestions?
>>
> IMV Sony make the best integrated Freeview sets as they are a direct 
> replica of a tuner of the VTX-D800 stb which provides a top notch picture.
>


I have that freeview box - and it is by the far one i have ever used or 
seen.

-- 
Dan

Thus spaketh Stevie Boy:

>> Also low end Toshiba's, JVCs and several other brand names use "Made
>> in Turkey" ones - the same ones in the budget brands just badged up
>> as the brand name.
>
> If you look at the lower range of Toshiba's Widescreen CRT's they all
> exhibit a very similiar picture to it's top of the range CRT model so
> I doubt they use any cheap and nasty third party parts in their sets.
> However to keep costs down they may well be put together in a cheaper
> labour country and the casing may well be some *off the shelf* job.
>
> Steve


No, I'm afraid they do indeed use the same chassis and just get their casing 
put on it.

Your mind then thinks oh it's a Toshiba the picture looks great, yet the same 
TV with a cheaper brand name on it your mind say 'Oh it's a cheapy the picture 
ain't so good!'

Open a Toshiba TV and see how may parts are actually Toshiba, even on their 
high-end TVs, all manufacturers buy in ICs from anywhere and everywhere.

You made me laugh with your "cheap and nasty parts" comment.

It is in fact only the casing that is any different.

> No, I'm afraid they do indeed use the same chassis and just get their 
> casing
> put on it.
>
> Your mind then thinks oh it's a Toshiba the picture looks great, yet the 
> same TV with a cheaper brand name on it your mind say 'Oh it's a cheapy 
> the picture ain't so good!'


What chassis would that be then? You seem rather knowledgable in this area. 
The type  of picture on a Tosh seems rather unique, certainly for the 
widescreen sets..


> Open a Toshiba TV and see how may parts are actually Toshiba, even on 
> their high-end TVs, all manufacturers buy in ICs from anywhere and 
> everywhere.


Doesn't surprise me one bit. That goes for any manufacturer. Their not in 
the business of component design and manufacture.


> You made me laugh with your "cheap and nasty parts" comment.


Good for a laugh at times :-) Lesser spec'd is what I really meant.

Steve

"Phil"  wrote in message 
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>I think we are getting close to saying "Sayonara" to our trusted old 
>Toshiba, from 1998, picture still fine, teletext is knackered - sometimes 
>works, most often doesnt - and one or two other minor things have stopped 
>working but colour etc, still excellent. But I'd like to know best deals 
>out there - but NOT one of those "Made in Turkey" ones that all the 
>cheapies seem to be from Bush and all the other corner cutters. Preferably 
>another Tosh, but I noticed some have THREE scart connections in the back 
>(JVC the first I noticed for this) and I like that idea.
> Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)
>


When you find the telly you want buy it from John Lewis (who price match 
other retail shops)
as you will then get a "Free" 5 year warranty.

http://www.bennettsonline.co.uk/ who have retail shops was the cheapest I 
could find my Panasonic 32" for and John Lewis reduced
there's by 210 to match it.

"J-A-K-E"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Phil"  wrote in message 
> news:BUFSe.11728$hv5.5181@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>I think we are getting close to saying "Sayonara" to our trusted old 
>>Toshiba, from 1998, picture still fine, teletext is knackered - sometimes 
>>works, most often doesnt - and one or two other minor things have stopped 
>>working but colour etc, still excellent. But I'd like to know best deals 
>>out there - but NOT one of those "Made in Turkey" ones that all the 
>>cheapies seem to be from Bush and all the other corner cutters. Preferably 
>>another Tosh, but I noticed some have THREE scart connections in the back 
>>(JVC the first I noticed for this) and I like that idea.
>> Has anyone any good deal to spread ? ;-)
>>
>
> When you find the telly you want buy it from John Lewis (who price match 
> other retail shops)
> as you will then get a "Free" 5 year warranty.
>
> http://www.bennettsonline.co.uk/ who have retail shops was the cheapest I 
> could find my Panasonic 32" for and John Lewis reduced
> there's by 210 to match it.


Yeah I did that with my Sony too, they dropped by about 300 and I went 
there and got the free 5 year warranty. Amazing deal.

Rgeards