I couldn't have put this better myself.

"Friday, September 2nd, 2005 

Dear Mr. Bush: 

Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and
thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on
earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help
finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a
drag. 

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really
use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping
with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with? 

Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of
Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it
was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still
homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its
way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you
didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get
bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers
to ignore and smear. You sure showed her! 

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to
Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't
let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and
what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike? 

And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you
specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans
this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if
you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any
Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important
construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ! 

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was
moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as
you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster.
Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble
and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that. 

There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use
it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to
nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen
because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making
a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming
Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so
wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York
to Cleveland. 

No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent
of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no
transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not
like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people
on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing --
NOTHING -- to do with this! 

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters
and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast
are near Tikrit. 

Yours, 

Michael Moore"

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>I couldn't have put this better myself.
>
> "Friday, September 2nd, 2005
>
> Dear Mr. Bush:
>
> <SNIP>


I couldn't have put it better either. It has been an education watching your 
great nation grapple with this problem
.. My thoughts turn to  -  would we do any better if (When) the Thames 
barrier is breached and London goes under?

Rex.

Norcot wrote:

> "JH"  wrote in message 
> news:il9lh19vd7te8190tf88fb2apcjaelnm1n@4ax.com...
> 
>>I couldn't have put this better myself.
>>
>>"Friday, September 2nd, 2005
>>
>>Dear Mr. Bush:
>>
>><SNIP>
> 
> 
> I couldn't have put it better either. It has been an education watching your 
> great nation grapple with this problem
> . My thoughts turn to  -  would we do any better if (When) the Thames 
> barrier is breached and London goes under?
> 
> Rex. 


One likes to think so.

Jp

JH wrote:

> I couldn't have put this better myself.
> 
> "Friday, September 2nd, 2005 
> 
> Dear Mr. Bush: 
(large snip)
> 
> Yours, 
> 
> Michael Moore"
> 
> Quote ends




Isn't it amazing, the speed at which an idea can travel round the world 
now. I got the same letter from an American friend living in Holland at 
5pm yesterday.

But don't you think that a point has been reached where Bush can't do 
right for doing wrong? Ellis Hennican (Newsday) was having a go at him 
today for reminiscing about getting drunk in New Orleans and I thought 
that was a bit hard on the guy. I'm surprised MM didn't write that 
sooner than Friday.

I loved the president's words of wisdom on Thursday on the price of gas 
which is spiralling up towards $4 a gallon hereabouts. This is a real 
crisis for Americans. It hurts them a lot to pay over $50 to fill the 
tank (20-22 quid)of their dirty great ugly hulking SUVs. I saw a queue a 
quarter of a mile long for gas at $2.99 a gallon on Thursday, twice what 
it was a year ago. He said with a Shrub shrug: "If you don't need gas, 
don't buy gas!" But Americans do need gas and lots of it. So nobody has 
been asked to moderate their use of their vehicles, keep their speed 
down, or use smaller cars, and reserves have been released to keep the 
price down. Gee. What a guy!

The TV news can manage to haul onto the screen some clearly delusional 
white guy who is grateful that the President has graced them with his 
presence and that all will now be well, and some irritated Bush 
apologist to say that it's disrespectful to the victims to politicise 
the slow response while the bodies still lie unburied. (Like their loved 
ones have access to a TV to hear it.)


Jp

Jpinny wrote:

>
> I loved the president's words of wisdom on Thursday on the price of
> gas which is spiralling up towards $4 a gallon hereabouts. This is a
> real crisis for Americans. It hurts them a lot to pay over $50 to
> fill the tank (20-22 quid)of their dirty great ugly hulking SUVs.


the locals on another group I frequent were moaning about the price of gas
and how it would curtail our travel.  They didn't appreciate me telling them
at $4 a gallon our work future is so brilliant we'll have to wear shades
inside the building.  So what if the price has doudled or tripled, I'll just
work an extra hour or two to cover the cost.  BFD.

Al in his 30+mpg Nissan




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I don't like Michael Moore much

That is all

> I don't like Michael Moore much
> 
> That is all


Why don't you like him, Barry?  

Tania




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Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across

"Barry"  wrote in message
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> Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
> he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
> and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
>

Sounds just like a politician, Barry.

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:

> "Barry"  wrote in message
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> 
>>Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
>>he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
>>and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
>>
> 
> Sounds just like a politician, Barry.
> 
> Edith.
> 
> 


heeyar heeyar rhubarb rhubarb.. etc

Ron -just got home from jazz with several pints of Batemans best on 
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Barry wrote:

> I don't like Michael Moore much
>
> That is all


neither does George Bush and millions of rabid conservatives but he provides
amusement for those who don't do exactly what the pundits of Fox News tell
them.

Al




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> Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
> he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
> and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across



He does tend to be a bit onesided to get his message across, like you
say.  But, there is still truth in what he says. You
shouldn't believe all his critics.

Have you seen Roger and Me?  It's a movie he made long before F 9/11 or
even Bowling for Columbine.  I think you might find it interesting.

Tania


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Barry wrote:

> Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
> he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
> and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
> 


Um, that's the President of the USA you're talking about!!

Jp

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> The Traveller wrote:
> > "Barry"  wrote in message
> > news:1126031334.894456.260590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >>Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
> >>he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
> >>and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
> >>
> >
> > Sounds just like a politician, Barry.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >
>
> heeyar heeyar rhubarb rhubarb.. etc
>
> Ron -just got home from jazz with several pints of Batemans best on
> board - O'Tipsy
>
> --
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Did you manage to turn Lune Vally upside down, Ron?

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:

> "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> 
>>The Traveller wrote:
>>
>>>"Barry"  wrote in message
>>>news:1126031334.894456.260590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
>>>>he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
>>>>and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds just like a politician, Barry.
>>>
>>>Edith.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>heeyar heeyar rhubarb rhubarb.. etc
>>
>>Ron -just got home from jazz with several pints of Batemans best on
>>board - O'Tipsy
>>
>>--
>>Lune Valley Audio
>>Public address system
>>Hire, Sales, Repairs
>>www.lunevalleyaudio.com
> 
> 
> Did you manage to turn Lune Vally upside down, Ron?
> 
> Edith.
> 
> 

Dont be silly Ethel.. all the water would run out!

Ron McCool

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> Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and
> mighty, when he has his own agenda to push just as much as
> the people he's against and blatantly distorts the truth in
> order to get his message across 


You couldn't be more wrong, Barry.

Planning on being a useless right-wing politician, are you? 
You're on the right track. 

MM is unapologetically and deliberately extreme left to parody 
the extremists in the right-wing - 90% of the american media, 
republican politicians and many wacko american religious leaders 
like Pat Robertson (who called for the assassination of the 
Venezuelan Prime Minister last week - a godly thing to do don't 
you think?).

You've got a lot of learning to do in uni, Barry.

Johnny-hopelessly-giving-Barry-good-advice-again

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> > Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and
> > mighty, when he has his own agenda to push just as much as
> > the people he's against and blatantly distorts the truth in
> > order to get his message across
>
> You couldn't be more wrong, Barry.
>
> Planning on being a useless right-wing politician, are you?
> You're on the right track.
>
> MM is unapologetically and deliberately extreme left to parody
> the extremists in the right-wing - 90% of the american media,
> republican politicians and many wacko american religious leaders
> like Pat Robertson (who called for the assassination of the
> Venezuelan Prime Minister last week - a godly thing to do don't
> you think?).
>
> You've got a lot of learning to do in uni, Barry.
>
> Johnny-hopelessly-giving-Barry-good-advice-again


The big thing is being able to see all issues from world point of view, just
about impossible, craving the open mindedness of a unique wizard/wizards. I
feel faint just thinking about it.

Edith.

> The big thing is being able to see all issues from world
> point of view, just about impossible, craving the open
> mindedness of a unique wizard/wizards. I feel faint just
> thinking about it. 
> 
> Edith.


Try not to think about it, Edith.

Johnny-sympathetic

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > The big thing is being able to see all issues from world
> > point of view, just about impossible, craving the open
> > mindedness of a unique wizard/wizards. I feel faint just
> > thinking about it.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> Try not to think about it, Edith.
>
> Johnny-sympathetic


Thank you, my sweet. I do wish for miracles in my quiet moments. I'm kinda
irritated because I see the people of the floods who have had everything
taken away from them, while tomorrow I am about to throw away a fridge, a
cooker, a set of drawers and a cupboard. I phoned a flea market thingie and
asked if they would have them and the reply was-we have too much already.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message >

> MM is unapologetically and deliberately extreme left to parody
> the extremists in the right-wing - 90% of the american media,
> republican politicians and many wacko american religious leaders
> like Pat Robertson .............


Isn't his name RoBINson rather than RoBERTson? I feel a slight upon my 
mother's proud clan name here...

ally

> Thank you, my sweet. I do wish for miracles in my quiet
> moments. I'm kinda irritated because I see the people of
> the floods who have had everything taken away from them,
> while tomorrow I am about to throw away a fridge, a cooker,
> a set of drawers and a cupboard. I phoned a flea market
> thingie and asked if they would have them and the reply
> was-we have too much already. 
> 
> Edith.


I feel your pain.

Johnny-Clinton

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> Isn't his name RoBINson rather than RoBERTson? I feel a
> slight upon my mother's proud clan name here...
> 
> ally 


Sorry. My wife's part Robertson too. But there's no getting 
around it.

http://www.patrobertson.com/

Ug. Note he has a link to a 'clarification' of his statement 
about Hugo Chavez - too late!

Go here and click on "Pat Sounds" to hear what Pat Robertson 
actually said.

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/headlin
es/index.jhtml

Johnny-feeling-dirty-just-googling-PR

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> Isn't his name RoBINson rather than RoBERTson? I feel a
>> slight upon my mother's proud clan name here...
>>
>> ally
>
> Sorry. My wife's part Robertson too. But there's no getting
> around it.
>
> http://www.patrobertson.com/
>
> Ug. Note he has a link to a 'clarification' of his statement
> about Hugo Chavez - too late!
>
> Go here and click on "Pat Sounds" to hear what Pat Robertson
> actually said.
>
> http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/headlin
> es/index.jhtml
>

Hmm. I was sure I was right, and googling threw up both versions of the 
name, but the Scotsman (which I trust in these matters, especially because 
of his connection with the Royal Bank of Scotland a few years back) spells 
it Robertson, so I guess it must be so.

Nice  to know your wife and I can wear the same tartan.

ally

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> >
> >>The Traveller wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Barry"  wrote in message
> >>>news:1126031334.894456.260590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
> >>>>he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
> >>>>and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Sounds just like a politician, Barry.
> >>>
> >>>Edith.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>heeyar heeyar rhubarb rhubarb.. etc
> >>
> >>Ron -just got home from jazz with several pints of Batemans best on
> >>board - O'Tipsy
> >>
> >>--
> >>Lune Valley Audio
> >>Public address system
> >>Hire, Sales, Repairs
> >>www.lunevalleyaudio.com
> >
> >
> > Did you manage to turn Lune Vally upside down, Ron?
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >
> Dont be silly Ethel.. all the water would run out!
>
> Ron McCool


Well did you paint a white stripe on each place where you tripped over your
two left feet.?

Edith.
pst! I'm glad I'm not married to 'that' Ron, coming home late at night with
a jazz buz, stinking of cigaret smoke and sour old beer.

The Traveller wrote:

> "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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>>The Traveller wrote:
>>
>>>"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>>The Traveller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Barry"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:1126031334.894456.260590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
>>>>>>he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
>>>>>>and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds just like a politician, Barry.
>>>>>
>>>>>Edith.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>heeyar heeyar rhubarb rhubarb.. etc
>>>>
>>>>Ron -just got home from jazz with several pints of Batemans best on
>>>>board - O'Tipsy
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Lune Valley Audio
>>>>Public address system
>>>>Hire, Sales, Repairs
>>>>www.lunevalleyaudio.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Did you manage to turn Lune Vally upside down, Ron?
>>>
>>>Edith.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Dont be silly Ethel.. all the water would run out!
>>
>>Ron McCool
> 
> 
> Well did you paint a white stripe on each place where you tripped over your
> two left feet.?
> 
> Edith.
> pst! I'm glad I'm not married to 'that' Ron, coming home late at night with
> a jazz buz, stinking of cigaret smoke and sour old beer.
> 
> 

I take my lady with me.. (she`s an excellent driver)  Dont get me 
started!  I hate smelling of cigarette smoke, the sooner they ban it in 
pubic places the better in my book - and my beer doesn't` get chance to 
go sour.

fragrantly

Djang O'Reinhart

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Ron(UK) wrote:

  I hate smelling of cigarette smoke, the sooner they ban it in

> pubic places the better in my book - and my beer doesn't` get chance to 
> go sour.
> 
> fragrantly
> 
> Djang O'Reinhart
> 


ahaha I put pubic instead of public.. is that what they call a freudian 
slit?

I`ll get me coat

Ron O'clock


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"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
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> >
> >>The Traveller wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The Traveller wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Barry"  wrote in message
> >>>>>news:1126031334.894456.260590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty,
when
> >>>>>>he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's
against
> >>>>>>and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Sounds just like a politician, Barry.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Edith.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>heeyar heeyar rhubarb rhubarb.. etc
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron -just got home from jazz with several pints of Batemans best on
> >>>>board - O'Tipsy
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Lune Valley Audio
> >>>>Public address system
> >>>>Hire, Sales, Repairs
> >>>>www.lunevalleyaudio.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Did you manage to turn Lune Vally upside down, Ron?
> >>>
> >>>Edith.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Dont be silly Ethel.. all the water would run out!
> >>
> >>Ron McCool
> >
> >
> > Well did you paint a white stripe on each place where you tripped over
your
> > two left feet.?
> >
> > Edith.
> > pst! I'm glad I'm not married to 'that' Ron, coming home late at night
with
> > a jazz buz, stinking of cigaret smoke and sour old beer.
> >
> >
> I take my lady with me.. (she`s an excellent driver)  Dont get me
> started!  I hate smelling of cigarette smoke, the sooner they ban it in
> pubic places the better in my book - and my beer doesn't` get chance to
> go sour.
>
> fragrantly
>
> Djang O'Reinhart


Jango O'Rainhard.

They suddenly get up and walk out, here, now and have a smoke and a puff
outside. That means that people from different tables associate outside and
it looks like they really enjoy it.

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:


> 
> Jango O'Rainhard.
> 
> They suddenly get up and walk out, here, now and have a smoke and a puff
> outside. That means that people from different tables associate outside and
> it looks like they really enjoy it.
> 
> Edith.
> 
>


That`s starting to happen here, there`s a lot less smoking in the pub, 
someone actually asked us if we minded if he smoked one night - I said I 
didnt care if he burst into flames as long as he didnt do it near me.

conflagrationally

Ron -strike a light- O'Lucifer



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> Nice  to know your wife and I can wear the same tartan.
> 
> ally 


I don't think you are the same size.

Johnny-estimatingly

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>> Nice  to know your wife and I can wear the same tartan.
>>
>> ally
>
>You can have it on odd days and she can have it on even ones.


Rex.

PS Erica can wear the McPhail tartan but where the devil do you ever see it?

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> Nice  to know your wife and I can wear the same tartan.
>>
>> ally
>
> I don't think you are the same size.
>

In the old days Scotswomen wore, as an outer garment, a big tartan plaid 
wrapped around them and tied round the waist and held with a big brooch. One 
size fits all.

ally

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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> >> Nice  to know your wife and I can wear the same tartan.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > I don't think you are the same size.
> >
> In the old days Scotswomen wore, as an outer garment, a big tartan plaid
> wrapped around them and tied round the waist and held with a big brooch.
One
> size fits all.
>
> ally


Blanket-plaid-in Norwegian= Pledd.

Well a'all be damned.
Edith.

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>
> PS Erica can wear the McPhail tartan but where the devil do you ever see 
> it?

 http://makeashorterlink.com/?L24D120CB

ally-trying-to-help

a l l y wrote:


>>
> 
> In the old days Scotswomen wore, as an outer garment, a big tartan plaid 
> wrapped around them and tied round the waist and held with a big brooch. One 
> size fits all.
> 
> ally 
> 


  So did the men...  but dont tell em I told you

out of kiltly

Phil o'Beg

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>
> Blanket-plaid-in Norwegian= Pledd.


Those Vikings strike again, eh?


>
> Well a'all be damned.


You may well be, but don't blame me.

ally

> In the old days Scotswomen wore, as an outer garment, a big
> tartan plaid wrapped around them and tied round the waist
> and held with a big brooch. One size fits all.
> 
> ally 


My wife isn't old.

Johnny-married-younger-woman

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>a l l y wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> In the old days Scotswomen wore, as an outer garment, a big tartan plaid 
>> wrapped around them and tied round the waist and held with a big brooch. 
>> One size fits all.
>>
>> ally
>
>  So did the men...  but dont tell em I told you
>

This is true, but we were discussing women's clothes at the time. And some 
of those warriors went sky-clad when it came to battles, anyway. Scary 
stuff!

ally

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>
> My wife isn't old.


I never suggested she was! Young Scotswomen, in the old days, wore such garb 
too.


>
> Johnny-married-younger-woman
>

And being fairly young yourself, sir, your good lady must indeed be young 
and sprightly.

ally-settled-with-younger-man

> And being fairly young yourself, sir,
> 
> ally-settled-with-younger-man 


You crack me up! See your optomotrist soon.

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> "Norcot"  wrote in message 
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>
>>
>> PS Erica can wear the McPhail tartan but where the devil do you ever see 
>> it?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L24D120CB
>
> ally-trying-to-help

 Thanks for that, Ally. I will get Erica to have a look. In the past the 
tartan offered has usually been the Cameron tartan as the McPhails became a 
sept of that clan.

Rex

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>> And being fairly young yourself, sir,
>>
>> ally-settled-with-younger-man
>
> You crack me up! See your optomotrist soon.
>
> Johnny-cracking-up
>

Sorry, I should have signed off with..

ally-blind-as-a-bat

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> a l l y wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > In the old days Scotswomen wore, as an outer garment, a big tartan plaid
> > wrapped around them and tied round the waist and held with a big brooch.
One
> > size fits all.
> >
> > ally
> >
>
>   So did the men...  but dont tell em I told you
>
> out of kiltly
>
> Phil o'Beg
>

The big brooches are called Slje here. Any resemblance?  :-

Norwegian SLJE

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> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
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> >
> > Blanket-plaid-in Norwegian= Pledd.
>
> Those Vikings strike again, eh?
>
> >
> > Well a'all be damned.
>
> You may well be, but don't blame me.
>
> ally


The big brooches:-

Norwegian SLJE  Any resemblance, Ally?

Edith.

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>
> "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
> news:dfnela$j3v$2@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> >a l l y wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>
> >> In the old days Scotswomen wore, as an outer garment, a big tartan
plaid
> >> wrapped around them and tied round the waist and held with a big
brooch.
> >> One size fits all.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> >  So did the men...  but dont tell em I told you
> >
> This is true, but we were discussing women's clothes at the time. And some
> of those warriors went sky-clad when it came to battles, anyway. Scary
> stuff!
>
> ally


Slje Jewelry

One more on it's way and I'll give in.

Edith

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> "Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> >
> > PS Erica can wear the McPhail tartan but where the devil do you ever see
> > it?
>  http://makeashorterlink.com/?L24D120CB
>
> ally-trying-to-help


Norwegian Wedding Pin/ Antique Slje - WD06S

Flesesliv av Solje: What's a solje/slje?

Vest Telemark Dame Bunad, barnebunad - Almanks

Skotte : means to look searchingly.

Edith.

a l l y wrote:

> "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message 
> news:dfnela$j3v$2@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> 
>>a l l y wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In the old days Scotswomen wore, as an outer garment, a big tartan plaid 
>>>wrapped around them and tied round the waist and held with a big brooch. 
>>>One size fits all.
>>>
>>>ally
>>
>> So did the men...  but dont tell em I told you
>>
> 
> This is true, but we were discussing women's clothes at the time. And some 
> of those warriors went sky-clad when it came to battles, anyway. Scary 
> stuff!
> 
> ally 
> 

yeah that is scarey.. an angry rampant Scotsman coming at you through 
the bonny broom  with his goolies a flapping in the breeze would put the 
wind up most people.

imaginatively
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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>> Isn't his name RoBINson rather than RoBERTson? I feel a
>> slight upon my mother's proud clan name here...
>>
>> ally
>
> Sorry. My wife's part Robertson too. But there's no getting
> around it.
>
> http://www.patrobertson.com/
>
> Ug. Note he has a link to a 'clarification' of his statement
> about Hugo Chavez - too late!
>
> Go here and click on "Pat Sounds" to hear what Pat Robertson
> actually said.
>
> http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/headlin
> es/index.jhtml
>
> Johnny-feeling-dirty-just-googling-PR


not exactly a popular person in some quarters.  After shooting his mouth off
a couple of weeks ago the Venezuelans rounded up the US engineers and
designers working on the oil refinery and put them back on a plane to the
US.  So Robertson (head of a 0.5 billion $$$$$$$$$ tax free empire) by
opening his mouth single handedly put a bunch of US people out of work.

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>
> The big brooches:-
>
> Norwegian SLJE  Any resemblance, Ally?
>

Hmm. A quick google reveals a big round brooch with various things dangling 
from it. Rather nice but a bit more ornate than the ones used for holding 
the plaid. These were circular, with a hole in the middle, and a small gap 
at one side (sort of C-shaped) and held on with a big thick pin that was 
attached at one end by a loop to the C-shape. Hard to describe really. I'll 
need to find a pic for you...

I think there's a common theme here, though. A definite similarlity. I 
wouldn't be surprised if these Scots brooches originated with Viking 
jewellery.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>>
> The big brooches are called Slje here. Any resemblance?  :-
>

Here's the sort of thing I'm thinking of, though it's not quite right as the 
big pin in the centre should be loose, and the one in this pic looks like 
it's soldered on to the big ring with a modern brooch pin on the back. But 
it's the right sort of shape.
http://www.donaldsons-of-crieff.com/jewellery/pics/brooch_185.jpg

I'll try to find a better one... hang on...

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message 
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>
> I'll try to find a better one... hang on...
>

This is better:
http://www.craftycelts.com/brooch.html
These are nice. I want one. Ooh I like the cat one. It's tempting, what with 
the exchange rate being good... Hmm...

It's a penannular brooch. I'd forgotten the name. My mum had one, though not 
as nice as these. I wonder what happened to it? I've got all her stuff. Must 
be buried in a box somewhere...

ally-starting-her-Christmas-wish-list

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>Isn't his name RoBINson rather than RoBERTson? I feel a
>>slight upon my mother's proud clan name here...
>>
>>ally 
> 
> 
> Sorry. My wife's part Robertson too. But there's no getting 
> around it.
> 
> http://www.patrobertson.com/
> 
> Ug. Note he has a link to a 'clarification' of his statement 
> about Hugo Chavez - too late!
> 
> Go here and click on "Pat Sounds" to hear what Pat Robertson 
> actually said.
> 
> http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/headlin
> es/index.jhtml
> 
> Johnny-feeling-dirty-just-googling-PR



I like your tag there, Johnny. Chavez is a properly democratically 
elected leader. This Robertson person is not.

Jp

> 
> not exactly a popular person in some quarters.  After shooting his mouth off
> a couple of weeks ago the Venezuelans rounded up the US engineers and
> designers working on the oil refinery and put them back on a plane to the
> US.  So Robertson (head of a 0.5 billion $$$$$$$$$ tax free empire) by
> opening his mouth single handedly put a bunch of US people out of work.
> 
> Al
> 

Ol' time religion.  my, my.  It's going to be the death of this country.

And it seems determined to take others with it.

Tania





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"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
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> >>
> > The big brooches are called Slje here. Any resemblance?  :-
> >
> Here's the sort of thing I'm thinking of, though it's not quite right as
the
> big pin in the centre should be loose, and the one in this pic looks like
> it's soldered on to the big ring with a modern brooch pin on the back. But
> it's the right sort of shape.
> http://www.donaldsons-of-crieff.com/jewellery/pics/brooch_185.jpg
>
> I'll try to find a better one... hang on...
>
> ally


The Viking ships had animal heads on, to put the fear of the gawds in their
enemies.

Edith.

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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
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> >
> > I'll try to find a better one... hang on...
> >
> This is better:
> http://www.craftycelts.com/brooch.html
> These are nice. I want one. Ooh I like the cat one. It's tempting, what
with
> the exchange rate being good... Hmm...
>
> It's a penannular brooch. I'd forgotten the name. My mum had one, though
not
> as nice as these. I wonder what happened to it? I've got all her stuff.
Must
> be buried in a box somewhere...
>
> ally-starting-her-Christmas-wish-list


Is your Mum deceased, Ally. I didn't realize. Sorry about that.

Edith.

"Barry"  wrote:


>Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
>he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
>and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across


So it's not that you're an aspiring politician, whose
afraid of being declaimed by a self-appointed
political watchdog then ? 
(Just checking.  ;-)


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> not exactly a popular person in some quarters.  After
> shooting his mouth off a couple of weeks ago the
> Venezuelans rounded up the US engineers and designers
> working on the oil refinery and put them back on a plane to
> the US.  So Robertson (head of a 0.5 billion $$$$$$$$$ tax
> free empire) by opening his mouth single handedly put a
> bunch of US people out of work. 
> 
> Al


I figure he's earned a Bush cabinet post. Or maybe Bush will 
replace Brown or Chertoff with Robertson.

My guess is Robertson was just repeating what Cheney had said 
during a round of golf...

Johnny-too-funny

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>
> Is your Mum deceased, Ally. I didn't realize. Sorry about that.
>

It's OK Edith. It was a long long time ago. My parents were in their late 
40s when I was born so I had to become independent a lot younger than most 
of my friends. Feels like a couple of lifetimes ago, sometimes.

ally

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>> not exactly a popular person in some quarters.  After
>> shooting his mouth off a couple of weeks ago the
>> Venezuelans rounded up the US engineers and designers
>> working on the oil refinery and put them back on a plane to
>> the US.  So Robertson (head of a 0.5 billion $$$$$$$$$ tax
>> free empire) by opening his mouth single handedly put a
>> bunch of US people out of work.
>>
>> Al
>
> I figure he's earned a Bush cabinet post. Or maybe Bush will
> replace Brown or Chertoff with Robertson.
>
> My guess is Robertson was just repeating what Cheney had said
> during a round of golf...
>
> Johnny-too-funny


read somewhere recently in someone's rant on a local group that one of
Robertson's "charities" headed by his wife has taken in $25mm of Fed money
under the shrub "faith based initiative policy".  Gggggrrrrrhhh.

I had a head hunter call me early this morning wanting to know if he could
put my name in for a task force to work on a FEMA contract in New Orleans.
I declined.

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On 6 Sep 2005 11:28:54 -0700, "Barry"  wrote:


>Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
>he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
>and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across


Which, off course, the other people don't do......

Which tree did you recently fall out of?

J.

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> On 6 Sep 2005 11:28:54 -0700, "Barry"  wrote:
>
> >Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
> >he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
> >and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
>
> Which, off course, the other people don't do......
>
> Which tree did you recently fall out of?
>
> J.


The monkey puzzle tree.?

Edith.

> read somewhere recently in someone's rant on a local group
> that one of Robertson's "charities" headed by his wife has
> taken in $25mm of Fed money under the shrub "faith based
> initiative policy".  Gggggrrrrrhhh. 
> 
> I had a head hunter call me early this morning wanting to
> know if he could put my name in for a task force to work on
> a FEMA contract in New Orleans. I declined.
> 
> Al


Good decision.

You know, I'm getting the impression there are some serious 
problems in America.

Johnny-feigning-innocence

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:


> 
> You know, I'm getting the impression there are some serious 
> problems in America.
> 
> Johnny-feigning-innocence


It all started in 1776 I believe.

Histerically
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Well of course I am aware of that, my point (and opinion) is that MM
isn't a great deal better than the politicians he is trying to
embarrass. If people think I am wrong/niave/whatever - I'm merely
expressing my opinion on the knowledge that I have.

I'm going to university so I can gain more knowledge and find out how
things work in Politics, if I had 10p for every comment such as "ahhh
you'll be in No. 10 in no time" just because I'm going to study
politics, then I'd have a small fortune

> Well of course I am aware of that, my point (and opinion)
> is that MM isn't a great deal better than the politicians
> he is trying to embarrass. If people think I am
> wrong/niave/whatever - I'm merely expressing my opinion on
> the knowledge that I have. 
> 
> I'm going to university so I can gain more knowledge and
> find out how things work in Politics, if I had 10p for
> every comment such as "ahhh you'll be in No. 10 in no time"
> just because I'm going to study politics, then I'd have a
> small fortune 
> 


My point would be that just because MM is intentionally as 
extreme left as his targets are extreme right, that doesn't make 
them equal. MM exposes the way governments and businesses 
exploit and harm the poor and down-trodden in pursuit of power 
qand wealth rather than defend them as they are sworn to do.

The commonly heard argument that both are as bad as each other 
is nonsense. Yet you hear it all the time. Especially in the 
media who use it to avoid taking a stand or doing their jobs 
rooting out evil. By hand-waving and dismissing both sides as 
'just as bad as each other' they think they appear 
jouralistically neutral but in fact they are dropping the ball 
big time.

Johnny-media-analysis-$2

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Barry wrote:

> Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
> he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
> and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
> 



You should marry some nice American giri, Barry.

Jp

Ron(UK) wrote:

> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
> 
>>
>> You know, I'm getting the impression there are some serious problems 
>> in America.
>>
>> Johnny-feigning-innocence
> 
> 
> It all started in 1776 I believe.
> 
> Histerically
> Ron O'Boston




I reckon that the original states who declared independence would be 
better off claiming independence from the lot they defeated in the Civil 
War, along with California, and the other West Coast States and Hawaii, 
who have no time for Bush and his Ilk. Europe and Australia and New 
Zealand and the rest of the civilised world could work with them.

jp

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>
>
> I reckon that the original states who declared independence would be 
> better off claiming independence from the lot they defeated in the Civil 
> War, along with California, and the other West Coast States and Hawaii, 
> who have no time for Bush and his Ilk. Europe and Australia and New 
> Zealand and the rest of the civilised world could work with them.
>

Now that would be interesting. I wonder how long the _united_ states will 
actually remain united? Nothing lasts forever...

ally-ozymandias

a l l y wrote:

> "a l l y"  wrote in message 
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> 
>>I'll try to find a better one... hang on...
>>
> 
> This is better:
> http://www.craftycelts.com/brooch.html
> These are nice. I want one. Ooh I like the cat one. It's tempting, what with 
> the exchange rate being good... Hmm...
> 
> It's a penannular brooch. I'd forgotten the name. My mum had one, though not 
> as nice as these. I wonder what happened to it? I've got all her stuff. Must 
> be buried in a box somewhere...
> 
> ally-starting-her-Christmas-wish-list 
> 
> 

I recognise something like that that I have somewhere, and I didn't 
realise it was part of a brooch, not a wrist bracelet. The pin is missing.

Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Barry wrote:
> > Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
> > he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
> > and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
> >
> You should marry some nice American giri, Barry.
>
> Jp


I think a Swedish girl would do him better, nudge.

Edith.

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>
> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:qzqUe.13337$OT1.8493@fe09.lga...
> >
> >
> > I reckon that the original states who declared independence would be
> > better off claiming independence from the lot they defeated in the Civil
> > War, along with California, and the other West Coast States and Hawaii,
> > who have no time for Bush and his Ilk. Europe and Australia and New
> > Zealand and the rest of the civilised world could work with them.
> >
> Now that would be interesting. I wonder how long the _united_ states will
> actually remain united? Nothing lasts forever...
>
> ally-ozymandias


ozymandias. EH?

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:ZvqUe.13336$OT1.11376@fe09.lga...
> 
>>Barry wrote:
>>
>>>Because he claims to speak the truth and be all high and mighty, when
>>>he has his own agenda to push just as much as the people he's against
>>>and blatantly distorts the truth in order to get his message across
>>>
>>
>>You should marry some nice American giri, Barry.
>>
>>Jp
> 
> 
> I think a Swedish girl would do him better, nudge.
> 
> Edith.
> 
> 

Time for a trip to Ikea, then.

Jp

> 
> I reckon that the original states who declared independence would be 
> better off claiming independence from the lot they defeated in the Civil 
> War
> jp


Virgina, Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina were included in the
original thirteen colonies.

Tania



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Faye King wrote:

>>I reckon that the original states who declared independence would be 
>>better off claiming independence from the lot they defeated in the Civil 
>>War
>>jp
> 
> 
> Virgina, Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina were included in the
> original thirteen colonies.
> 
> Tania
> 
> 
> 

Thanks, Tania. I apologise. I didn't think properly. I remember learning 
that when my son was doing Middle School History.

Mallard Fillmore published this cartoon today (syndicated nationwide) in 
memory of the victims and heroes of the terrorist attacks on September 
11th, 2001. It is a conservative strip, and highly critical of liberals. 
But this is wishful thinking, and there seems to be so much division in 
the country, and so clearly a vast gap between the wealthy in New 
Orleans, who had means and connections and the poor there who clearly 
did not.

This may well be an invalid link after today (Sunday September 11th) but 
it shows an American Eagle with the caption "One Nation, under God, 
indivisible." It is the only strip in my paper which does make any 
reference to the anniversary.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/comics/Mallard_Fillmore.dtl


Parents with teenagers should check out the Zits link below the strip.
Jp

> You should marry some nice American giri, Barry.
> 
> Jp


First 9/11, then Katrina. And now you think America should take 
on Barry? How cruel!

Johnny-appalled

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>You should marry some nice American giri, Barry.
>>
>>Jp
> 
> 
> First 9/11, then Katrina. And now you think America should take 
> on Barry? How cruel!
> 
> Johnny-appalled



OK, I have a lot of American friends.

Maybe Barry should take her back to England.

Jp

> OK, I have a lot of American friends.
> 
> Maybe Barry should take her back to England.
> 
> Jp


What American girl do you know who would move to Distington to 
live with Barry and his mother?

Johnny-incredulous 


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> > OK, I have a lot of American friends.
> >
> > Maybe Barry should take her back to England.
> >
> > Jp
>
> What American girl do you know who would move to Distington to
> live with Barry and his mother?
>
> Johnny-incredulous


A Creole, perhaps, or many?

Edith.

>> What American girl do you know who would move to
>> Distington to live with Barry and his mother?
>>
>> Johnny-incredulous
> 
> A Creole, perhaps, or many?
> 
> Edith.


What do you mean? I don't understand you. Are you suggesting 
some southern girls with bad french accents would fit in in 
Distington?

Johnny-confused

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> >> What American girl do you know who would move to
> >> Distington to live with Barry and his mother?
> >>
> >> Johnny-incredulous
> >
> > A Creole, perhaps, or many?
> >
> > Edith.
>
> What do you mean? I don't understand you. Are you suggesting
> some southern girls with bad french accents would fit in in
> Distington?
>
> Johnny-confused


I gather when you've lost everything you had and owned, Distington would be
heaven, except for the climate and Barry would look like an Egyptian god.

Louisiana Saturday Night.
Edith.

> I gather when you've lost everything you had and owned,
> Distington would be heaven, except for the climate and
> Barry would look like an Egyptian god. 
> 
> Louisiana Saturday Night.
> Edith.


I remain unconvinced. These people have their dignity if nothing 
else. And their eyesight.

Johnny-unconvinced

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>> I gather when you've lost everything you had and owned,
>> Distington would be heaven, except for the climate and
>> Barry would look like an Egyptian god.
>>
>> Louisiana Saturday Night.
>> Edith.
>
> I remain unconvinced. These people have their dignity if nothing
> else. And their eyesight.
>
> Johnny-unconvinced


Do I take it you have met Barry, and don't fancy him? Perhaps he wouldn't 
fancy you either.

Rex.

> Do I take it you have met Barry, and don't fancy him?
> Perhaps he wouldn't fancy you either.
> 
> Rex. 


It was rumoured he might show at the Keswick boink last April 
but he didn't appear.

I simply remember all his posts regarding his hopeless life. We 
all posted thoughtfull, sensitive advice in return.

He ignored all of it.

Now he shows up again after a year of self-discovery and 
maturation and publically says he can't stand Michael Moore. 
Barry should have 'Beware of Idiot' tatooed on his forehead.

But other than that, I wish him well.

Johnny-bring-back-the-village-idiot-position-for-Barry

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Just for Barry's edification and to save J from posting it 
later, here's Michael Moore's latest:

To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush: 

On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I'm just curious, how 
does it feel? 
 
How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us 
after we were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of 
FEMA whose main qualification was that he ran horse shows? 
 
That's right. Horse shows. 
 
I really want to know -- and I ask you this in all sincerity 
and with all due respect -- how do you feel about the utter 
contempt Mr. Bush has shown for your safety? C'mon, give me 
just a moment of honesty. Don't start ranting on about how 
this disaster in New Orleans was the fault of one of the 
poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred of Democrats
and liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. Just 
look me in the eye and tell me our President did the right 
thing after 9/11 by naming a horse show runner as the top man 
to protect us in case of an emergency or catastrophe. 
 
I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of
Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-
head/right-winger and just talk to me as an American, on the 
common ground we both call America. 
 
Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind 
the horse show runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of 
emergency preparedness have zero experience in emergency 
preparedness, do you think we are safer? 
 
When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland 
Security, a man with little experience in national security, 
do you feel secure? 
  
When men who never served in the military and have never seen 
young men die in battle send our young people off to war, do 
you think they know how to conduct a war? Do they know what it 
means to have your legs blown off for a threat that was never 
there? 
 
Do you really believe that turning over important government 
services to private corporations has resulted in better 
services for the people? 
 
Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted 
for politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been 
to de-fund the federal government. Do you think that cutting 
federal programs like FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers has 
been good or bad for America? GOOD OR BAD? 
 
With the nation's debt at an all-time high, do you think tax 
cuts for the rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours 
back so hundreds of thousands of homeless in New Orleans can 
have a home? 
 
Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn't he say that we would 
be judged by how we treat the least among us? Hurricane 
Katrina came in and blew off the facade that we were a nation 
with liberty and justice for all. The wind howled and the 
water rose and what was revealed was that the poor in America 
shall be left to suffer and die while the President of the 
United States fiddles and tells them to eat cake. 
  
That's not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees 
broke, Mr. Bush, John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing 
themselves with cake. A full day after the levees broke (the 
same levees whose repair funding he had cut), Mr. Bush was 
playing a guitar some country singer gave him. All this while 
New Orleans sank under water. 
 
It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a 
flyover in his jumbo jet, peeking out the widow at the misery 
2500 feet below him as he flew back to his second home in DC. 
It would then be TWO MORE DAYS before a trickle of federal aid 
and troops would arrive. This was no seven minutes in a 
sitting trance while children read "My Pet Goat" to
him. This was FOUR DAYS of doing nothing other than saying 
"Brownie (FEMA director Michael Brown), you're doing a heck of 
a job!" 
 
My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the 
laughing stock of the world? 
 
And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor 
or shame those who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and 
find ourselves today every bit as vulnerable and unprepared as 
we were on that bright sunny morning, then did the 3,000 die 
in vain? 
 
Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or 
natural disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we 
allow one in eight Americans to live in horrible poverty. We 
accept an education system where one in six children never 
graduate and most of those who do can't string a coherent 
sentence together. The middle class can't pay the mortgage or 
the hospital bills and 45 million have no health coverage
whatsoever. 
 
Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far 
out and build so many gated communities before the fruit of 
what you've sown will be crashing through your walls and 
demanding retribution. Do you really want to wait until that 
happens? Or is it your hope that if they are left alone long 
enough to soil themselves and shoot themselves and drown in 
the filth that fills the street that maybe the problem will
somehow go away? 
 
I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a 
man who wasn't up for the job and all he does is hire people 
who aren't up for the job. You did this to us, to the world, 
to the people of New Orleans. Please fix it. Bush is yours. 
And you know, for our peace and safety and security, this has 
to be fixed. What do you propose? 
 
I have an idea, and it isn't a horse show.
 
Yours,
Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com <http://www.michaelmoore.com/> 
mmflint@aol.com

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>
> I simply remember all his posts regarding his hopeless life. We
> all posted thoughtfull, sensitive advice in return.
>
> He ignored all of it.


No, no, I told him he should travel abroad, and he promptly went off to 
America.



> Barry should have 'Beware of Idiot' tatooed on his forehead.
>

I couldn't possibly comment.

;-)

ally

"Norcot"  wrote in message 
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
> news:1126631782_27801@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>>> I gather when you've lost everything you had and owned,
>>> Distington would be heaven, except for the climate and
>>> Barry would look like an Egyptian god.
>>>
>>> Louisiana Saturday Night.
>>> Edith.
>>
>> I remain unconvinced. These people have their dignity if nothing
>> else. And their eyesight.
>>
>> Johnny-unconvinced
>
> Do I take it you have met Barry, and don't fancy him? Perhaps he wouldn't 
> fancy you either.
>

I've met Barry several times, and I can attest to the fact that as he's got 
older, he has definitely improved. I saw masses of potential when I first 
met him, but I suspect he was unaware of his potential. He's growing up (I 
won't say 'maturing' - that might be going too far) and learning how to live 
inside his own body and make the most of it. Give him time. I may not agree 
with his politics but I think he's turning out to be a decent young man who, 
far from making women run away screaming, might actually find he's drawing 
them towards him like a magnet. We shall see...

ally

er... sorry for all this personal stuff about you in public, Barry!

The Traveller wrote:

> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:1126622158_27709@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> 
>>>>What American girl do you know who would move to
>>>>Distington to live with Barry and his mother?
>>>>
>>>>Johnny-incredulous
>>>
>>>A Creole, perhaps, or many?
>>>
>>>Edith.
>>
>>What do you mean? I don't understand you. Are you suggesting
>>some southern girls with bad french accents would fit in in
>>Distington?
>>
>>Johnny-confused
> 
> 
> I gather when you've lost everything you had and owned, Distington would be
> heaven, except for the climate and Barry would look like an Egyptian god.
> 
> Louisiana Saturday Night.
> Edith.
> 



Big hugs

Jp

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

> Just for Barry's edification and to save J from posting it 
> later, here's Michael Moore's latest:
> 



Thankyou Johnny; it's late but that's going off to American voters!


Jp

a l l y wrote:

> "Norcot"  wrote in message 
> news:tNDVe.224$6p.36@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> 
>><Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
>>news:1126631782_27801@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>>
>>>>I gather when you've lost everything you had and owned,
>>>>Distington would be heaven, except for the climate and
>>>>Barry would look like an Egyptian god.
>>>>
>>>>Louisiana Saturday Night.
>>>>Edith.
>>>
>>>I remain unconvinced. These people have their dignity if nothing
>>>else. And their eyesight.
>>>
>>>Johnny-unconvinced
>>
>>Do I take it you have met Barry, and don't fancy him? Perhaps he wouldn't 
>>fancy you either.
>>
> 
> I've met Barry several times, and I can attest to the fact that as he's got 
> older, he has definitely improved. I saw masses of potential when I first 
> met him, but I suspect he was unaware of his potential. He's growing up (I 
> won't say 'maturing' - that might be going too far) and learning how to live 
> inside his own body and make the most of it. Give him time. I may not agree 
> with his politics but I think he's turning out to be a decent young man who, 
> far from making women run away screaming, might actually find he's drawing 
> them towards him like a magnet. We shall see...
> 
> ally
> 
> er... sorry for all this personal stuff about you in public, Barry! 
> 
> 


He managed to avoid me.......


Jp ;-/

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Norcot"  wrote in message
> news:tNDVe.224$6p.36@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> > <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> > news:1126631782_27801@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >>> I gather when you've lost everything you had and owned,
> >>> Distington would be heaven, except for the climate and
> >>> Barry would look like an Egyptian god.
> >>>
> >>> Louisiana Saturday Night.
> >>> Edith.
> >>
> >> I remain unconvinced. These people have their dignity if nothing
> >> else. And their eyesight.
> >>
> >> Johnny-unconvinced
> >
> > Do I take it you have met Barry, and don't fancy him? Perhaps he
wouldn't
> > fancy you either.
> >
> I've met Barry several times, and I can attest to the fact that as he's
got
> older, he has definitely improved. I saw masses of potential when I first
> met him, but I suspect he was unaware of his potential. He's growing up (I
> won't say 'maturing' - that might be going too far) and learning how to
live
> inside his own body and make the most of it. Give him time. I may not
agree
> with his politics but I think he's turning out to be a decent young man
who,
> far from making women run away screaming, might actually find he's drawing
> them towards him like a magnet. We shall see...
>
> ally
>
> er... sorry for all this personal stuff about you in public, Barry!


Well, I hope that when he becomes a politician, he cracks down on
criminality, brings back capital punishment and looks after old people like
me.

Edith Withoutsilkgloves.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> > news:1126622158_27709@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >
> >>>>What American girl do you know who would move to
> >>>>Distington to live with Barry and his mother?
> >>>>
> >>>>Johnny-incredulous
> >>>
> >>>A Creole, perhaps, or many?
> >>>
> >>>Edith.
> >>
> >>What do you mean? I don't understand you. Are you suggesting
> >>some southern girls with bad french accents would fit in in
> >>Distington?
> >>
> >>Johnny-confused
> >
> >
> > I gather when you've lost everything you had and owned, Distington would
be
> > heaven, except for the climate and Barry would look like an Egyptian
god.
> >
> > Louisiana Saturday Night.
> > Edith.
> >
>
>
> Big hugs
>
> Jp


More big hugs. Let's have a hug boink asap

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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> Just for Barry's edification and to save J from posting it
> later, here's Michael Moore's latest:
>
> To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush:
>
> On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I'm just curious, how
> does it feel?   <SNIP>


I see what you mean. That was to the point.  I can see why you would admire 
and agree with Mr Moore. He talks a lot of sense. I wonder if he's available 
to eulogise Tony Blair in the same way?


Rex.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:WaGdnfG->

> Well, I hope that when he becomes a politician, he cracks down on
> criminality, brings back capital punishment and looks after old people 
> like
> me.
>

I have a feeling he's the sort of chap you might be inclined to vote for, 
Edith.

ally

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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:WaGdnfG->
> > Well, I hope that when he becomes a politician, he cracks down on
> > criminality, brings back capital punishment and looks after old people
> > like
> > me.
> >
> I have a feeling he's the sort of chap you might be inclined to vote for,
> Edith.
>
> ally
>
>

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:WaGdnfG->
> > Well, I hope that when he becomes a politician, he cracks down on
> > criminality, brings back capital punishment and looks after old people
> > like
> > me.
> >
> I have a feeling he's the sort of chap you might be inclined to vote for,
> Edith.
>
> ally


I wouldn't vote for a male. That epoke is over.

Edith Commonsense-removed taxes on all food.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:

>
> I wouldn't vote for a male. That epoke is over.
>
> Edith Commonsense-removed taxes on all food.
>

  Miserable old devil! Gi' us your vote, pleeeeeeeeeease.

How are you this morning, Edith? It's market day here today and a fine day 
was promised. But it rained while we were up town!  I've done a days work 
already  - probably before you were up! We now have the shower basin plumbed 
in and the tiles go on next.

Rex.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> I wouldn't vote for a male. That epoke is over.
>

So.... what if there are no female candidates in your area? You wouldn't 
vote at all, I take it?

ally

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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:
> >
> > I wouldn't vote for a male. That epoke is over.
> >
> > Edith Commonsense-removed taxes on all food.
> >
>   Miserable old devil! Gi' us your vote, pleeeeeeeeeease.
>
> How are you this morning, Edith?


I wish I could say without pain but my blooming neck and shoulder etc etc
blah blah blah, otherwise, fine. The weather is beautiful, cool, little
wind, Autumn around the corner. Just my style.

It's market day here today and a fine day

> was promised.


Ther is a market here every day selling only fruit, vegetables and flowers.
In the summer once in a while a different stall pops up. A Grandma sat
knitting various pure wool garments all summer this year. I started sweating
just passing her. Woolen jumpers, gloves, mittens etc in Norwegian style.
Fine work but double the price of jumpers in the shops that one can put in
the washing machine and tumble dryer.

But it rained while we were up town!

We have, again been spared for the down pours here. Worse on the west coast
is Bergen that has just had a serious landslide, on a smaller scale yet
covered houses, killed one person so far, evacuation happening now. I think
they should put the rain forests back asap

I've done a days work

> already  - probably before you were up!


I was up at 8 today. I haven't done anything except turn the washing machine
on, fried eggs for my breakfast and sat watching TV which can be extreme
depressing at time, mostly always. I can't believe the foster parents in
Ohio who had children from 1 year old to 9 in cages, in Ohio. Gees some
foster parents.

We now have the shower basin plumbed

> in and the tiles go on next.


Now that's what I call good news. I'll expect photos. Your bathroom looked
Victorian on the photos, npi, it was like something from a fairytale.
Orlando is about to fix up his toilet and bathroom. He's got as far as,
cough, buying paint for the walls.

I am in the middle of a painting at the moment. I had to give it a rest
because of my arm. The worst is done. Now I look forward to giving the
painting some life and detail. It's a cabin by a track out in the woodland,
with fells in the back ground.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:8O2dnTo1Mp3gdbre4p2dnA@telenor.com...
> >
> > I wouldn't vote for a male. That epoke is over.
> >
> So.... what if there are no female candidates in your area? You wouldn't
> vote at all, I take it?
>
> ally


Yes. No. eeerm, no.

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:

> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3oq6gsF78easU5@individual.net...
> 
>>"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:WaGdnfG->
>>
>>>Well, I hope that when he becomes a politician, he cracks down on
>>>criminality, brings back capital punishment and looks after old people
>>>like
>>>me.
>>>
>>
>>I have a feeling he's the sort of chap you might be inclined to vote for,
>>Edith.
>>
>>ally
> 
> 
> I wouldn't vote for a male. That epoke is over.
> 
> Edith Commonsense-removed taxes on all food.
> 
> 

You're getting a new Prime Minister, aren't you? Not a lotta people know 
that.

Jp-watches-BBC-news

> No, no, I told him he should travel abroad, and he promptly
> went off to America.

> I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> ally 


The exception that makes the rule if he really did it because of 
what you said.

Johnny-convinced

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"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > "a l l y"  wrote in message
> > news:3oq6gsF78easU5@individual.net...
> >
> >>"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:WaGdnfG->
> >>
> >>>Well, I hope that when he becomes a politician, he cracks down on
> >>>criminality, brings back capital punishment and looks after old people
> >>>like
> >>>me.
> >>>
> >>
> >>I have a feeling he's the sort of chap you might be inclined to vote
for,
> >>Edith.
> >>
> >>ally
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't vote for a male. That epoke is over.
> >
> > Edith Commonsense-removed taxes on all food.
> >
> >
> You're getting a new Prime Minister, aren't you? Not a lotta people know
> that.
>
> Jp-watches-BBC-news


Yes, thankgawd. Tips to all voters here-after. Never-vote for a religious
leader. All they do is screw up the whole system to the negative and all
you'll get out of it is a few old churches being done up. Talk about one
track minds.

(Slightly exaggerating but with a fringe of truth)

Edith

"The Traveller"  wrote in message > I am in the middle of a 
painting at the moment. I had to give it a rest

> because of my arm. The worst is done. Now I look forward to giving the
> painting some life and detail. It's a cabin by a track out in the 
> woodland,
> with fells in the back ground.
>

Oh I'm delighted to hear you're doing some painting again. Keep at it!

ally

> I've met Barry several times, and I can attest to the fact
> that as he's got older, he has definitely improved. I saw
> masses of potential when I first met him, but I suspect he
> was unaware of his potential. He's growing up (I won't say
> 'maturing' - that might be going too far) and learning how
> to live inside his own body and make the most of it. Give
> him time. I may not agree with his politics but I think
> he's turning out to be a decent young man who, far from
> making women run away screaming, might actually find he's
> drawing them towards him like a magnet. We shall see...
> 
> ally
> 
> er... sorry for all this personal stuff about you in
> public, Barry! 


You would know better than I. But I find it difficult to accept 
he will turn out to be a decent man when his political views are 
clearly taking him toward the dark side.

And it's Barry who insists on publicising his personal life in 
spite of warnings from us so why apologise?

Johnny-not-apologising

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > No, no, I told him he should travel abroad, and he promptly
> > went off to America.
>
> > I couldn't possibly comment.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > ally
>
> The exception that makes the rule if he really did it because of
> what you said.
>
> Johnny-convinced


Hey, Johnny. How's your son's guitar lessons coming along-or is his guitar
now on Ebay, along with the aquarium, bed, baseball glove, cat....etc?

Oops! Sorry. Did I change the subject?

Auntie Mildred.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message > I am in the middle of
a
> painting at the moment. I had to give it a rest
> > because of my arm. The worst is done. Now I look forward to giving the
> > painting some life and detail. It's a cabin by a track out in the
> > woodland,
> > with fells in the back ground.
> >
> Oh I'm delighted to hear you're doing some painting again. Keep at it!
>
> ally


I bought all my canvas and brushed in Cockermouth, Great ma'an. But when we
don't bring the van over all I can take back are little thingie. Boring.
Boring.

Edith

> I see what you mean. That was to the point.  I can see why
> you would admire and agree with Mr Moore. He talks a lot of
> sense. I wonder if he's available to eulogise Tony Blair in
> the same way? 
> 
> 
> Rex. 


One can criticise MM style but not his content nor his genuine 
desire to affect change.

I'd be shocked to learn that Tony Blair had not seen MM's 
'Bowling for Columbine'. Everyone should.

Johnny-activist

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Hey, Johnny. How's your son's guitar lessons coming
> > along-or is his guitar now on Ebay, along with the
> > aquarium, bed, baseball glove, cat....etc?
> >
> > Oops! Sorry. Did I change the subject?
> >
> > Auntie Mildred.
>
> My son has several guitars now and is coming along. Nothing is
> on Ebay. His room is piled high with stuff. It's nearly as bad
> as my daughter's room. She's taking guitar lesson now too.
>
> My son plays trombone in several school bands and was asked to
> conduct the junior jazz band this year (he's in his final year
> of HS). My daughter plays sax and piano.
>
> How's that?
>
> Johnny-plays-nothing-anymore


No guitar, Johnny. Are you the guy on the guitar at family gatherings?

Edith Stiffingers

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> >
> > I am in the middle of a painting at the moment. I had to give it a rest
> > because of my arm. The worst is done. Now I look forward to giving the
> > painting some life and detail. It's a cabin by a track out in the
> > woodland,
> > with fells in the back ground.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> > That's a coincidence. Erica is in the middle of painting a floral
bouquet
> > on a small table top.
> She prefers to paint wildlife subjects these days but every so often she
> gets the acrylics out and does some 'decorative art'. Her last big
> decorative art project was for her daughter. Heidi is studying homoepathy
> and needed two boxes to hold all her bottles of concentrates. I made the
> boxes and Erica painted a Belladonna plant and a Feverfew plant on the two
> lids. They tuned out well and, of course, are unique. Keep up the good
work.
>
> Rex.


I will, Rex. Tell Erica, keep it up too. btw We have an artist here who
painted a picture of a building brick that has caused sensation. I think his
last name is Hedum.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> No, no, I told him he should travel abroad, and he promptly
>> went off to America.
>
>> I couldn't possibly comment.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> ally
>
> The exception that makes the rule if he really did it because of
> what you said.
>

It's a bit scary to think that people might actually act on my advice. I 
ought to be careful what I say...

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>
> You would know better than I. But I find it difficult to accept
> he will turn out to be a decent man when his political views are
> clearly taking him toward the dark side.
>

Well it's hard to be publicly rude to someone who has bravely turned up to 
one's guitar classes whatever the weather.

Even if he doesn't play any more....



> And it's Barry who insists on publicising his personal life in
> spite of warnings from us so why apologise?
>

Quite. You are right. Why apologise? Barry, I am not sorry! There. I feel 
better for that.

ally

> No guitar, Johnny. Are you the guy on the guitar at family
> gatherings? 
> 
> Edith Stiffingers


We don't have that sort of family gatherings.

My wife's family used to sing a lot at gatherings. They are 
related to you though. A rousing chorus of 'I've seen pubic 
hair'[1] was always a mainstay.

Johnny-not-a-singer

1. I've Seen Pubic Hair, MacLean and MacLean (sung to the tune 
of "I've been Everywhere") known by heart by all true 
Canadians...

Pubic Hair Song Lyrics

I was having me a burger in a dirty greasy-spoon cafe.
I was eatin' it with relish when the man beside me turned to 
say,
"What's that pubic hair doin' layin' in your bun?"
I said,"I never saw it sittin' there, are you sure it's really 
one?"
He stood up on the table, and said,"Now looky here,
"I've traveled all over this country, and I know pubic hair."

(CHORUS):

"I've seen pubic hair, man. I've never liked 'em there, man.
I've even got my share, man, beneath my underwear, man.
Stickin' out here and there, man. I've seen pubic hair.

"I've seen great ones, straight ones, always-on-your-plate 
ones,
Long ones, strong ones, little curly blonde ones,
Red ones, dead ones, layin'-on-the-head ones,
Black ones, brown ones, little ducky-down ones,
Short ones, thick ones, growin'-from-your-dick ones,
Grown ones, shown ones, lone ones, chrome ones.

(CHORUS)

"I've seen bushy ones, cushy ones, up-against-your-pussy ones,
Saved ones, shaved ones, floatin'-in-your-gravy ones,
Dirty ones, flirty ones, fluffin'-up-the-birdy ones,
Neat ones, sweet ones, on-the-toilet-seat ones,
Hipper ones, gripper ones, catch-'em-in-the-zipper ones,
Grown ones, shown ones, lone ones, phony ones

(CHORUS)

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"a l l y"  wrote in message

>>
>> The exception that makes the rule if he really did it because of
>> what you said.
>>
> It's a bit scary to think that people might actually act on my advice. I 
> ought to be careful what I say...
>
> ally
>Good job you didn't say 'Go to hell!'


Rex.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > No guitar, Johnny. Are you the guy on the guitar at family
> > gatherings?
> >
> > Edith Stiffingers
>
> We don't have that sort of family gatherings.
>
> My wife's family used to sing a lot at gatherings. They are
> related to you though. A rousing chorus of 'I've seen pubic
> hair'[1] was always a mainstay.
>
> Johnny-not-a-singer
>
> 1. I've Seen Pubic Hair, MacLean and MacLean (sung to the tune
> of "I've been Everywhere") known by heart by all true
> Canadians...
>
> Pubic Hair Song Lyrics
>
> I was having me a burger in a dirty greasy-spoon cafe.
> I was eatin' it with relish when the man beside me turned to
> say,
> "What's that pubic hair doin' layin' in your bun?"
> I said,"I never saw it sittin' there, are you sure it's really
> one?"
> He stood up on the table, and said,"Now looky here,
> "I've traveled all over this country, and I know pubic hair."
>
> (CHORUS):
>
> "I've seen pubic hair, man. I've never liked 'em there, man.
> I've even got my share, man, beneath my underwear, man.
> Stickin' out here and there, man. I've seen pubic hair.
>
> "I've seen great ones, straight ones, always-on-your-plate
> ones,
> Long ones, strong ones, little curly blonde ones,
> Red ones, dead ones, layin'-on-the-head ones,
> Black ones, brown ones, little ducky-down ones,
> Short ones, thick ones, growin'-from-your-dick ones,
> Grown ones, shown ones, lone ones, chrome ones.
>
> (CHORUS)
>
> "I've seen bushy ones, cushy ones, up-against-your-pussy ones,
> Saved ones, shaved ones, floatin'-in-your-gravy ones,
> Dirty ones, flirty ones, fluffin'-up-the-birdy ones,
> Neat ones, sweet ones, on-the-toilet-seat ones,
> Hipper ones, gripper ones, catch-'em-in-the-zipper ones,
> Grown ones, shown ones, lone ones, phony ones
>
> (CHORUS)


Roflllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You put a lot of work behind that,
Johnny. Did you make sure there were no hairs in it before you sent it?

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:1126700578_30987@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >> No, no, I told him he should travel abroad, and he promptly
> >> went off to America.
> >
> >> I couldn't possibly comment.
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > The exception that makes the rule if he really did it because of
> > what you said.
> >
> It's a bit scary to think that people might actually act on my advice. I
> ought to be careful what I say...
>
> ally


Yes. I remember that la'al hill you sent us up, at Tallentire, gasp, cuss,
gasp, cuss.

Edith

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> >>
> >> The exception that makes the rule if he really did it because of
> >> what you said.
> >>
> > It's a bit scary to think that people might actually act on my advice. I
> > ought to be careful what I say...
> >
> > ally
> >Good job you didn't say 'Go to hell!'
>
> Rex.


:0)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >> >

>> It's a bit scary to think that people might actually act on my advice. I
>> ought to be careful what I say...
>>
>> ally
>
> Yes. I remember that la'al hill you sent us up, at Tallentire, gasp, cuss,
> gasp, cuss.
>

Oh admit it - you enjoyed it really, didn't you? Anyway, you also acted on 
my advice about your route back to your cottage, and it was the most direct 
journey you'd made all year.

Ooh blimey - people really do do what I tell them. Help. This is worrying. 
I'm not sure I can handle such power...

ally-not-power-mad

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message >> >
> >> It's a bit scary to think that people might actually act on my advice.
I
> >> ought to be careful what I say...
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > Yes. I remember that la'al hill you sent us up, at Tallentire, gasp,
cuss,
> > gasp, cuss.
> >
> Oh admit it - you enjoyed it really, didn't you? Anyway, you also acted on
> my advice about your route back to your cottage, and it was the most
direct
> journey you'd made all year.
>
> Ooh blimey - people really do do what I tell them. Help. This is worrying.
> I'm not sure I can handle such power...
>
> ally-not-power-mad


I admit I loved every step of the way, Ally and we have never found
tallentire so quickly before-lo and behold, we were suddenly there.

That's what comes off following Sto-bart trucks.
Edith

The Traveller wrote:


> Hey, Johnny. How's your son's guitar lessons coming along-or is his guitar
> now on Ebay, along with the aquarium, bed, baseball glove, cat....etc?
> 
> Oops! Sorry. Did I change the subject?
> 
> Auntie Mildred.
> 
> 

I hear that Ozzie and Sharon Osborne's toilet is for sale on Ebay by the 
folk who bought their old house.

Jp

Norcot wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> 
>>I am in the middle of a painting at the moment. I had to give it a rest
>>because of my arm. The worst is done. Now I look forward to giving the
>>painting some life and detail. It's a cabin by a track out in the 
>>woodland,
>>with fells in the back ground.
>>
>>Edith.
>>
>>That's a coincidence. Erica is in the middle of painting a floral bouquet 
>>on a small table top.
> 
> She prefers to paint wildlife subjects these days but every so often she 
> gets the acrylics out and does some 'decorative art'. Her last big 
> decorative art project was for her daughter. Heidi is studying homoepathy 
> and needed two boxes to hold all her bottles of concentrates. I made the 
> boxes and Erica painted a Belladonna plant and a Feverfew plant on the two 
> lids. They tuned out well and, of course, are unique. Keep up the good work.
> 
> Rex. 
> 
> 

I am a great believer in Homeopathy. It works.

Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> > Hey, Johnny. How's your son's guitar lessons coming along-or is his
guitar
> > now on Ebay, along with the aquarium, bed, baseball glove, cat....etc?
> >
> > Oops! Sorry. Did I change the subject?
> >
> > Auntie Mildred.
> >
> >
> I hear that Ozzie and Sharon Osborne's toilet is for sale on Ebay by the
> folk who bought their old house.
>
> Jp


to digress slightly, when in Key West aka Queer West a couple of decades ago
I visited the Hemmingway Museum.  He and his wife at the time he lived in
Key West had a large brood of cats unique because they all had six toes on
each foot.  (A decendant of the Hemmingway cats can be purchased).  They
live on the grounds and have a large water bowl.  Seems that Ernest was a
regular at the local bar and noticed that the owner was refurbishing the
establshment and had rubble and other stuff lying on the site.  Ernest spied
a urinal stacked in a corner and after pronouncing that he had pissed enough
money up that one to have paid for it a thousand times over, hoisted on his
shoulder and walked home with it, passing the large oak tree nearby that
bares a plaque "Hemmingway pissed on this tree".  The urinal is now
installed with running water and serves as the cats water bowl
http://www.hemingwayhome.com/HTML/our_cats.htm (see bottom left hand corner)

Al



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"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> > Hey, Johnny. How's your son's guitar lessons coming along-or is his
guitar
> > now on Ebay, along with the aquarium, bed, baseball glove, cat....etc?
> >
> > Oops! Sorry. Did I change the subject?
> >
> > Auntie Mildred.
> >
> >
> I hear that Ozzie and Sharon Osborne's toilet is for sale on Ebay by the
> folk who bought their old house.
>
> Jp


oo yukky.

Edith feels noxious.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Norcot wrote:
> > "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> >
> >>I am in the middle of a painting at the moment. I had to give it a rest
> >>because of my arm. The worst is done. Now I look forward to giving the
> >>painting some life and detail. It's a cabin by a track out in the
> >>woodland,
> >>with fells in the back ground.
> >>
> >>Edith.
> >>
> >>That's a coincidence. Erica is in the middle of painting a floral
bouquet
> >>on a small table top.
> >
> > She prefers to paint wildlife subjects these days but every so often she
> > gets the acrylics out and does some 'decorative art'. Her last big
> > decorative art project was for her daughter. Heidi is studying
homoepathy
> > and needed two boxes to hold all her bottles of concentrates. I made the
> > boxes and Erica painted a Belladonna plant and a Feverfew plant on the
two
> > lids. They tuned out well and, of course, are unique. Keep up the good
work.
> >
> > Rex.
> >
> >
> I am a great believer in Homeopathy. It works.
>
> Jp


Please help me. I'll try anything. I think aka puncture may help. Either
that or chop of my head.

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:tbWdnc4NU->

> I admit I loved every step of the way, Ally and we have never found
> tallentire so quickly before-lo and behold, we were suddenly there.
>
> That's what comes off following Sto-bart trucks.


If you see a truck driver with a big moustache, go the other way!

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:tbWdnc4NU->
> > I admit I loved every step of the way, Ally and we have never found
> > tallentire so quickly before-lo and behold, we were suddenly there.
> >
> > That's what comes off following Sto-bart trucks.
>
> If you see a truck driver with a big moustache, go the other way!
>
> ally


ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFL

Falling off me chair. Honest.
Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >

> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFL
>
> Falling off me chair. Honest.


Not a good idea. You'll end up with a sore rear end as well as a sore head.

ally-firmly-upon-chair

Alfred Packer wrote:


> to digress slightly, when in Key West aka Queer West a couple of decades ago
> I visited the Hemmingway Museum.  He and his wife at the time he lived in
> Key West had a large brood of cats unique because they all had six toes on
> each foot.  (A decendant of the Hemmingway cats can be purchased).  They
> live on the grounds and have a large water bowl.  Seems that Ernest was a
> regular at the local bar and noticed that the owner was refurbishing the
> establshment and had rubble and other stuff lying on the site.  Ernest spied
> a urinal stacked in a corner and after pronouncing that he had pissed enough
> money up that one to have paid for it a thousand times over, hoisted on his
> shoulder and walked home with it, passing the large oak tree nearby that
> bares a plaque "Hemmingway pissed on this tree".  The urinal is now
> installed with running water and serves as the cats water bowl
> http://www.hemingwayhome.com/HTML/our_cats.htm (see bottom left hand corner)
> 
> Al


Who is Archibald McLeisch?  (Cary Grant's real name was Archibald Leach.)

Jp

The Traveller wrote:


>>I hear that Ozzie and Sharon Osborne's toilet is for sale on Ebay by the
>>folk who bought their old house.
>>
>>Jp
> 
> 
> oo yukky.
> 
> Edith feels noxious.
> 
> 

Noxious? Oh dear, that's bad. I'll keep my distance.
Now where's my gas mask?

Jp

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message >
> > ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFL
> >
> > Falling off me chair. Honest.
>
> Not a good idea. You'll end up with a sore rear end as well as a sore
head.
>
> ally-firmly-upon-chair


Oooh, is it called rear end now. How about botti or bootie.

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Alfred Packer wrote:
>
> > to digress slightly, when in Key West aka Queer West a couple of decades
ago
> > I visited the Hemmingway Museum.  He and his wife at the time he lived
in
> > Key West had a large brood of cats unique because they all had six toes
on
> > each foot.  (A decendant of the Hemmingway cats can be purchased).  They
> > live on the grounds and have a large water bowl.  Seems that Ernest was
a
> > regular at the local bar and noticed that the owner was refurbishing the
> > establshment and had rubble and other stuff lying on the site.  Ernest
spied
> > a urinal stacked in a corner and after pronouncing that he had pissed
enough
> > money up that one to have paid for it a thousand times over, hoisted on
his
> > shoulder and walked home with it, passing the large oak tree nearby that
> > bares a plaque "Hemmingway pissed on this tree".  The urinal is now
> > installed with running water and serves as the cats water bowl
> > http://www.hemingwayhome.com/HTML/our_cats.htm (see bottom left hand
corner)
> >
> > Al

eheheheh
>
> Who is Archibald McLeisch?  (Cary Grant's real name was Archibald Leach.)


Scotland trying to claime him. With that name, they can have him.

Saucy Edith.

> Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> >>I hear that Ozzie and Sharon Osborne's toilet is for sale on Ebay by the
> >>folk who bought their old house.
> >>
> >>Jp
> >
> >
> > oo yukky.
> >
> > Edith feels noxious.
> >
> >
> Noxious? Oh dear, that's bad. I'll keep my distance.
> Now where's my gas mask?
>
> Jp


Out int coal house.

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Alfred Packer wrote:
>
> > to digress slightly, when in Key West aka Queer West a couple of decades
ago
> > I visited the Hemmingway Museum.  He and his wife at the time he lived
in
> > Key West had a large brood of cats unique because they all had six toes
on
> > each foot.  (A decendant of the Hemmingway cats can be purchased).  They
> > live on the grounds and have a large water bowl.  Seems that Ernest was
a
> > regular at the local bar and noticed that the owner was refurbishing the
> > establshment and had rubble and other stuff lying on the site.  Ernest
spied
> > a urinal stacked in a corner and after pronouncing that he had pissed
enough
> > money up that one to have paid for it a thousand times over, hoisted on
his
> > shoulder and walked home with it, passing the large oak tree nearby that
> > bares a plaque "Hemmingway pissed on this tree".  The urinal is now
> > installed with running water and serves as the cats water bowl
> > http://www.hemingwayhome.com/HTML/our_cats.htm (see bottom left hand
corner)
> >
> > Al
>
> Who is Archibald McLeisch?  (Cary Grant's real name was Archibald Leach.)
>
> Jp


http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/m_r/macleish/macleish.htm

Al




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> Roflllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You put a lot of
> work behind that, Johnny. Did you make sure there were no
> hairs in it before you sent it? 
> 
> Edith.

 
I put no effort into that. I cut and pasted the lyrics from an 
easily googled website. My apologies to those sensitve readers 
who may have been offended by one of our national treasures.

Johnny-patriot-when-convenient


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"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> Who is Archibald McLeisch?  >> Jp
>
> http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/m_r/macleish/macleish.htm
>

Ah. Hadn't come across him. Must read more. I like this:

" There is no dusk to be,
        There is no dawn that was,
Only there's now, and now,
        And the wind in the grass. "

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3ot1eeF7gi2hU5@individual.net...
>>
>> "The Traveller"  wrote in message >
>> > ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFL
>> >
>> > Falling off me chair. Honest.
>>
>> Not a good idea. You'll end up with a sore rear end as well as a sore
> head.
>>
>> ally-firmly-upon-chair
>
> Oooh, is it called rear end now. How about botti or bootie.
>

Oh, all right, just for you, I'll call a spade a spade.

"You'll end up wi a sair airse, wumman."

That better?

ally

> My main/sole reason for sort of disliking MM is because of
> the way he trys to get his story across, the message is
> good, I just think he manipulates his stories somewhat,
> that doesn't make me pro-bush or right wing.......I just
> think it's unwise to take MM's word (or anyone else's for
> that matter) as gospel. I know people who have watched MM's 
> two docu-films and swallowed everything that was said on
> there, which I think is a dangerous thing


Two comments:

1) MM will tell you face-to-face that he does what he does on 
purpose. He designs his ambush attacks to be of the same style 
and stupidity as the right-wing extremists he is exposing. He 
has told many an interviewer he'll apologise for it when they 
do.

2) I think he is very accurate with his facts. His books are 
all referenced, just as are Al Franken's. Remember, he's doing 
what he does in the USA, the most litigious state in the 
world. If he makes a claim, he can back it up or he's going to 
be sued. So that's why his stuff is so shocking. He exposes 
outragious things but they are true. I ranted in a post last 
week about the danger of dismissing what he says because 'he's 
no better than they are'. I'll spare you a repeat of that. 
Don't assume he's making stuff up though.


> To illustrate, I took issue with the way he portrayed
> americas allies in the war of Iraq, it's been over a year
> since i watched F 9/11 but MM listed lots of minor
> countries as the allies to the US, but fails to mention the
> UK, Italy, Spain, Poland etc etc, which to most educated 
> people doesn't make much difference, but to some people who
> maybe don't know any better, then I think it's not the most
> honest piece of work 


I can't remember such details. But I'll say this, if he's even 
half right with his facts, America is in deep trouble. And as 
I said above, I think he does his best to get his facts 
straight.

And given the total cock-up that Iraq is, you got lucky not 
being mentioned.


> I see no point in getting into great detail with this, I
> know my limits - compared to most on here, my knowledge of
> politics is limited, hence one of the reasons why I am
> going to study it for the next 3 years, but I do take issue
> with you calling someone who doesn't agree with the left
> wing point of view as an "idiot" I don't think you were
> aiming it at me, but I still don't think that it is the
> most helpful or mature way of dealing with issues like this


A few years ago I would have agreed with you that it's wrong 
to call them idiots. But they just keep proving they are 
idiots. Over and over and over. I blame them for forcing me to 
call them idiots. They are so blatently stupid that a person 
would have to be an idiot themselves if they agreed with them.

We have more than two parties here in Canada just like you 
guys. It's not that I think you have to agree with the left - 
just don't agree with the idiots. I'm a little left of centre 
personally but when talking about the USA and it's political 
direction at the moment, it is more polarized than it has ever 
been before in history. There's two sides and two sides only 
these days - conservative/right and democrat/left. There's no 
middle ground any more. So you have to pick a winner. Me, it's 
the good of the common man and protection of the weak, poor 
and innocent so I want the left in America to win. The other 
side is about money. Power and money but mostly money. Money 
in spite of the environment. Money in spite of effects on the 
poor (cutting the budget for levy repairs in New Orleans for 
instance), Money in spite of common sense (historical record 
high deficit spending with no thought to how to pay it back). 
It's probably not quite so black and white in the UK but it's 
getting there. I noted that Blair was reviled for Iraq but re-
elected because people thought his competitors might not be 
able to duplicate Blair's success with the UK economy. So 
money rules over matters of conscience in the UK too.

Wow. Look at the time. I need to get home for dinner!

Johnny-rants-a-lot

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> My main/sole reason for sort of disliking MM is because of the way he
> trys to get his story across, the message is good, I just think he
> manipulates his stories somewhat, that doesn't make me pro-bush or
> right wing.......I just think it's unwise to take MM's word (or anyone
> else's for that matter) as gospel. I know people who have watched MM's
> two docu-films and swallowed everything that was said on there, which I
> think is a dangerous thing
>
> To illustrate, I took issue with the way he portrayed americas allies
> in the war of Iraq, it's been over a year since i watched F 9/11 but MM
> listed lots of minor countries as the allies to the US, but fails to
> mention the UK, Italy, Spain, Poland etc etc, which to most educated
> people doesn't make much difference, but to some people who maybe don't
> know any better, then I think it's not the most honest piece of work
>
> I see no point in getting into great detail with this, I know my limits
> - compared to most on here, my knowledge of politics is limited, hence
> one of the reasons why I am going to study it for the next 3 years, but
> I do take issue with you calling someone who doesn't agree with the
> left wing point of view as an "idiot" I don't think you were aiming it
> at me, but I still don't think that it is the most helpful or mature
> way of dealing with issues like this
>


I think you'll make a good politician, Barry. You certainly go on at great 
length!

Rex.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message

I noted that Blair was reviled for Iraq but re-

> elected because people thought his competitors might not be
> able to duplicate Blair's success with the UK economy. So
> money rules over matters of conscience in the UK too.
>
> Wow. Look at the time. I need to get home for dinner!
>


Not strictly true. Unfortunately neither of the opposition parties offered a 
viable alternative. The Lib Dems were too wooley and hadn't a chance of 
winning. The Conservatives have lost the plot completely. I think it was a 
case of better the devil you know. Had there been a viable alternative Blair 
would have been out because of the anti war feeling.

Rex.

> I noted that Blair was reviled for Iraq but re-
>> elected because people thought his competitors might not
>> be able to duplicate Blair's success with the UK economy.
>> So money rules over matters of conscience in the UK too.
> 
> Not strictly true. Unfortunately neither of the opposition
> parties offered a viable alternative. The Lib Dems were too
> wooley and hadn't a chance of winning. The Conservatives
> have lost the plot completely. I think it was a case of
> better the devil you know. Had there been a viable
> alternative Blair would have been out because of the anti
> war feeling. 
> 
> Rex. 


I really don't see how your description of what happened is any 
different from mine. Let's face it, we (western democracies) 
never have the luxury of choosing amoung several good options. 
It's always the lesser evil these days. Somehow the Iraq evil 
didn't make the Lib Dem evil nor the Conservative evil seem less 
evil than new labour evil. I simply agree with the BBC analysis 
I heard the day after the election - people thought the labour 
government was the best bet to continue the strong economy. 
Objections to Iraq policy were not strong enough in the end to 
give up the comforts at home.

Johnny-possibly-just-doesn't-get-your-point

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message>

> I really don't see how your description of what happened is any
> different from mine.


You are most probably right. Two subjects I refuse to argue about - religion 
and politics. Both cause far too much dissention.

Rex.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message>
> > I really don't see how your description of what happened is any
> > different from mine.
>
> You are most probably right. Two subjects I refuse to argue about -
religion
> and politics. Both cause far too much dissention.
>
> Rex.


I agree. Let's talk about money.

Does anyone want to buy an oil painting, on a blind frame but not framed
/can't afford to have it framed /50+postage-40x50cm. I'll just put one ?
has I'm awfully shy. Twud be a nice Christmas present for someone.

Yours timidly,
Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> Does anyone want to buy an oil painting, on a blind frame but not framed
> /can't afford to have it framed /50+postage-40x50cm. I'll just put one ?
> has I'm awfully shy. Twud be a nice Christmas present for someone.
>

What? Without even seeing it? Get Orly to stick a photo of it on the web 
somewhere, then we'll talk.

ally

"Norcot"  wrote in message 
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message>
>> I really don't see how your description of what happened is any
>> different from mine.
>
> You are most probably right. Two subjects I refuse to argue about - 
> religion and politics. Both cause far too much dissention.
>

My dad always warned me about the 3 taboo subjects for pub arguments: 
politics, religion and football. Following his advice, I discovered at quite 
a young age how easy it was to start a fight in a pub if you could get a few 
blokes discussing one of these subjects. Then I'd just quietly walk away and 
leave them to it...

ally-the-wicked

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Norcot"  wrote in message
> news:ZfXWe.436$bR.285@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> >
> > <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message>
> >> I really don't see how your description of what happened is any
> >> different from mine.
> >
> > You are most probably right. Two subjects I refuse to argue about -
> > religion and politics. Both cause far too much dissention.
> >
> My dad always warned me about the 3 taboo subjects for pub arguments:
> politics, religion and football. Following his advice, I discovered at
quite
> a young age how easy it was to start a fight in a pub if you could get a
few
> blokes discussing one of these subjects. Then I'd just quietly walk away
and
> leave them to it...
>
> ally-the-wicked


Wicked.? You're evil, you are.

Edith Nice-ington.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:EZKdnc5mF-Lz9rHe4p2dnA@telenor.com...
> >
> > Does anyone want to buy an oil painting, on a blind frame but not framed
> > /can't afford to have it framed /50+postage-40x50cm. I'll just put one
?
> > has I'm awfully shy. Twud be a nice Christmas present for someone.
> >
> What? Without even seeing it? Get Orly to stick a photo of it on the web
> somewhere, then we'll talk.
>
> ally


Ok. OOOOOOOOOrly.

He's too busy hitting buttons with screw keys.

Edith'l'ask tomorrow.