I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that 
someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all right?

The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the 
three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has replaced 
one lock.

The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will 
assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.

My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they 
should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may 
people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they 
stay at, especially in the long school breaks.

Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and 
reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till weekdays 
!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied for 
the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it is 
all a mystery to me.

mrcheerful

this any use to you my friends? 
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/contact/dvla_contact.htm

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message 
news:zgiSe.101564$G8.71302@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that 
>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all right?
>
> The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the 
> three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has 
> replaced one lock.
>
> The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will 
> assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>
> My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they 
> should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may 
> people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they 
> stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>
> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and 
> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till 
> weekdays !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have 
> applied for the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at 
> all, so it is all a mystery to me.
>
> mrcheerful
> 

this any use to you my friends? 
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/contact/dvla_contact.htm

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message 
news:zgiSe.101564$G8.71302@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that 
>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all right?
>
> The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the 
> three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has 
> replaced one lock.
>
> The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will 
> assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>
> My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they 
> should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may 
> people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they 
> stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>
> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and 
> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till 
> weekdays !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have 
> applied for the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at 
> all, so it is all a mystery to me.
>
> mrcheerful
> 

In article <zgiSe.101564$G8.71302@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
mrcheerful                                                                          
.. says...

> I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that 
> someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all right?
> 
> The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the 
> three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has replaced 
> one lock.
> 
> The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will 
> assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
> 
> My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they 
> should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may 
> people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they 
> stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
> 
> Anyone else had this sort of thing? 


Standard practice when someone applies for a V5.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

>
> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
weekdays
> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
for
> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
is
> all a mystery to me.
>
> mrcheerful
>
>

I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.

Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent fraud
amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 1st.

Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported incident
?

Gio

In article <zgiSe.101564$G8.71302@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
mrcheerful                                                                          
.. says...

> I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that 
> someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all right?
> 
> The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the 
> three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has replaced 
> one lock.
> 
> The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will 
> assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
> 
> My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they 
> should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may 
> people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they 
> stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
> 
> Anyone else had this sort of thing? 


Standard practice when someone applies for a V5.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

"Gio" <x> wrote in message news:4319ff07@news.greennet.net...

> >
>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
> weekdays
>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
> for
>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
> is
>> all a mystery to me.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>>
>>
> I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
> especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>
> Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
> Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
> getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
> they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
> supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent 
> fraud
> amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 
> 1st.
>
> Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
> incident
> ?


They seem interested and are coming to take a statement at 9.15pm !!  The 
SOCO is going to come and check whether the handprints on the car are any 
help at a later appointment.  Police say that DVLA will not tell me the 
name/address of the attempt at the V5, but of course they will tell the 
police!  So that may shed some light, the thing that is so bizarre is the 
vehicle involved, it would be more understandable for someone to take a 
chance at the V5 for a valuable car.

I am actually surprised at how much interest the police are taking, I 
expected nothing more than a leaflet !

mrcheerful

> >
>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
> weekdays
>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
> for
>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
> is
>> all a mystery to me.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>>
>>
> I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
> especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>
> Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
> Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
> getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
> they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
> supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent 
> fraud
> amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 
> 1st.
>
> Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
> incident
> ?


If the garage was broken into, the police will want to know who has applied 
for the log book and will be able to get it from the DVLA.

The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose treat 
it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner although 
14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or something, having 
your name on a log book is not proof of legal ownership. It is good policy 
to keep hold of all receipts for cars bought and sold.

It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may be 
in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough noise to 
grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily have taken the 
car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in it 
and couldn't establish who owns it?

Pete W

Pete W wrote:


> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car
> in it and couldn't establish who owns it?


ISTR there is a process for 'claiming' cars which appear to be ownerless, 
but I thought it was more longwinded than just asking for it and waiting a 
fortnight...

"Pete W" <pete@ (delete this) squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:dfcmr5$k6c$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...

>> >
>>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
>> weekdays
>>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
>> for
>>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
>> is
>>> all a mystery to me.
>>>
>>> mrcheerful
>>>
>>>
>> I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without 
>> question
>> especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>>
>> Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
>> Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
>> getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
>> they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have 
>> to
>> supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent 
>> fraud
>> amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 
>> 1st.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
>> incident
>> ?
>
> If the garage was broken into, the police will want to know who has 
> applied for the log book and will be able to get it from the DVLA.
>
> The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose treat 
> it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner 
> although 14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or 
> something, having your name on a log book is not proof of legal ownership. 
> It is good policy to keep hold of all receipts for cars bought and sold.
>
> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may be 
> in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough noise 
> to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily have 
> taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in it 
> and couldn't establish who owns it?
>
> Pete W



That is possible, but they only needed to ask the dvla for owners details, 
not apply for a V5, probably the local plod would have looked it up and 
passed their details to me.
Possibly it is the new owners (builder firm)of the nearest house chancing 
their luck that the owner of the garage has passed away and they can get the 
garage by adverse possession, but then surely they should keep as quiet as 
possible, not apply for a V5 ?  I phoned the apparent owner of the house 
(via the builders that are working there) who said that he had seen the 
garage had been opened and that he had put the lock on !  (that didn't sound 
likely to me, but maybe)

mrcheerful

mrcheerful
..  wrote:


> > Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
> > incident
> > ?
> 
> They seem interested and are coming to take a statement at 9.15pm !!  The
> SOCO is going to come and check whether the handprints on the car are any
> help at a later appointment.  Police say that DVLA will not tell me the
> name/address of the attempt at the V5, but of course they will tell the
> police!  So that may shed some light, the thing that is so bizarre is the
> vehicle involved, it would be more understandable for someone to take a
> chance at the V5 for a valuable car.


What car is it? - is it just that your particular example isn't
valuable, but that a very good example would be worth a fair bit?

They probably don't want your car, in particular, but are after a V5 to
sell a stolen one.
-- 
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

>
> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
weekdays
> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
for
> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
is
> all a mystery to me.
>
> mrcheerful
>
>

I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.

Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent fraud
amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 1st.

Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported incident
?

Gio

"Gio" <x> wrote in message news:4319ff07@news.greennet.net...

> >
>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
> weekdays
>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
> for
>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
> is
>> all a mystery to me.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>>
>>
> I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
> especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>
> Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
> Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
> getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
> they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
> supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent 
> fraud
> amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 
> 1st.
>
> Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
> incident
> ?


They seem interested and are coming to take a statement at 9.15pm !!  The 
SOCO is going to come and check whether the handprints on the car are any 
help at a later appointment.  Police say that DVLA will not tell me the 
name/address of the attempt at the V5, but of course they will tell the 
police!  So that may shed some light, the thing that is so bizarre is the 
vehicle involved, it would be more understandable for someone to take a 
chance at the V5 for a valuable car.

I am actually surprised at how much interest the police are taking, I 
expected nothing more than a leaflet !

mrcheerful

> >
>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
> weekdays
>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
> for
>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
> is
>> all a mystery to me.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>>
>>
> I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
> especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>
> Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
> Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
> getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
> they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
> supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent 
> fraud
> amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 
> 1st.
>
> Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
> incident
> ?


If the garage was broken into, the police will want to know who has applied 
for the log book and will be able to get it from the DVLA.

The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose treat 
it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner although 
14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or something, having 
your name on a log book is not proof of legal ownership. It is good policy 
to keep hold of all receipts for cars bought and sold.

It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may be 
in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough noise to 
grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily have taken the 
car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in it 
and couldn't establish who owns it?

Pete W

Pete W wrote:


> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car
> in it and couldn't establish who owns it?


ISTR there is a process for 'claiming' cars which appear to be ownerless, 
but I thought it was more longwinded than just asking for it and waiting a 
fortnight...

"Pete W" <pete@ (delete this) squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:dfcmr5$k6c$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...

>> >
>>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
>> weekdays
>>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
>> for
>>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
>> is
>>> all a mystery to me.
>>>
>>> mrcheerful
>>>
>>>
>> I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without 
>> question
>> especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>>
>> Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
>> Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
>> getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
>> they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have 
>> to
>> supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent 
>> fraud
>> amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 
>> 1st.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
>> incident
>> ?
>
> If the garage was broken into, the police will want to know who has 
> applied for the log book and will be able to get it from the DVLA.
>
> The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose treat 
> it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner 
> although 14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or 
> something, having your name on a log book is not proof of legal ownership. 
> It is good policy to keep hold of all receipts for cars bought and sold.
>
> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may be 
> in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough noise 
> to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily have 
> taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in it 
> and couldn't establish who owns it?
>
> Pete W



That is possible, but they only needed to ask the dvla for owners details, 
not apply for a V5, probably the local plod would have looked it up and 
passed their details to me.
Possibly it is the new owners (builder firm)of the nearest house chancing 
their luck that the owner of the garage has passed away and they can get the 
garage by adverse possession, but then surely they should keep as quiet as 
possible, not apply for a V5 ?  I phoned the apparent owner of the house 
(via the builders that are working there) who said that he had seen the 
garage had been opened and that he had put the lock on !  (that didn't sound 
likely to me, but maybe)

mrcheerful

mrcheerful
..  wrote:


> > Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
> > incident
> > ?
> 
> They seem interested and are coming to take a statement at 9.15pm !!  The
> SOCO is going to come and check whether the handprints on the car are any
> help at a later appointment.  Police say that DVLA will not tell me the
> name/address of the attempt at the V5, but of course they will tell the
> police!  So that may shed some light, the thing that is so bizarre is the
> vehicle involved, it would be more understandable for someone to take a
> chance at the V5 for a valuable car.


What car is it? - is it just that your particular example isn't
valuable, but that a very good example would be worth a fair bit?

They probably don't want your car, in particular, but are after a V5 to
sell a stolen one.
-- 
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

In article <zgiSe.101564$G8.71302@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
mrcheerful                                                                          
.. says...

> I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that 
> someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all right?
> 
> The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the 
> three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has replaced 
> one lock.
> 
> The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will 
> assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
> 
> My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they 
> should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may 
> people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they 
> stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
> 
> Anyone else had this sort of thing? 


Standard practice when someone applies for a V5.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

>
> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
weekdays
> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
for
> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
is
> all a mystery to me.
>
> mrcheerful
>
>

I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.

Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent fraud
amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 1st.

Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported incident
?

Gio

"Gio" <x> wrote in message news:4319ff07@news.greennet.net...

> >
>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
> weekdays
>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
> for
>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
> is
>> all a mystery to me.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>>
>>
> I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
> especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>
> Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
> Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
> getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
> they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
> supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent 
> fraud
> amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 
> 1st.
>
> Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
> incident
> ?


They seem interested and are coming to take a statement at 9.15pm !!  The 
SOCO is going to come and check whether the handprints on the car are any 
help at a later appointment.  Police say that DVLA will not tell me the 
name/address of the attempt at the V5, but of course they will tell the 
police!  So that may shed some light, the thing that is so bizarre is the 
vehicle involved, it would be more understandable for someone to take a 
chance at the V5 for a valuable car.

I am actually surprised at how much interest the police are taking, I 
expected nothing more than a leaflet !

mrcheerful

> >
>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
> weekdays
>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
> for
>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
> is
>> all a mystery to me.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>>
>>
> I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
> especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>
> Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
> Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
> getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
> they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
> supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent 
> fraud
> amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 
> 1st.
>
> Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
> incident
> ?


If the garage was broken into, the police will want to know who has applied 
for the log book and will be able to get it from the DVLA.

The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose treat 
it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner although 
14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or something, having 
your name on a log book is not proof of legal ownership. It is good policy 
to keep hold of all receipts for cars bought and sold.

It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may be 
in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough noise to 
grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily have taken the 
car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in it 
and couldn't establish who owns it?

Pete W

Pete W wrote:


> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car
> in it and couldn't establish who owns it?


ISTR there is a process for 'claiming' cars which appear to be ownerless, 
but I thought it was more longwinded than just asking for it and waiting a 
fortnight...

"Pete W" <pete@ (delete this) squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:dfcmr5$k6c$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...

>> >
>>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
>> weekdays
>>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
>> for
>>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
>> is
>>> all a mystery to me.
>>>
>>> mrcheerful
>>>
>>>
>> I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without 
>> question
>> especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>>
>> Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
>> Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
>> getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.  I do not think
>> they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have 
>> to
>> supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent 
>> fraud
>> amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 
>> 1st.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
>> incident
>> ?
>
> If the garage was broken into, the police will want to know who has 
> applied for the log book and will be able to get it from the DVLA.
>
> The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose treat 
> it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner 
> although 14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or 
> something, having your name on a log book is not proof of legal ownership. 
> It is good policy to keep hold of all receipts for cars bought and sold.
>
> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may be 
> in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough noise 
> to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily have 
> taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in it 
> and couldn't establish who owns it?
>
> Pete W



That is possible, but they only needed to ask the dvla for owners details, 
not apply for a V5, probably the local plod would have looked it up and 
passed their details to me.
Possibly it is the new owners (builder firm)of the nearest house chancing 
their luck that the owner of the garage has passed away and they can get the 
garage by adverse possession, but then surely they should keep as quiet as 
possible, not apply for a V5 ?  I phoned the apparent owner of the house 
(via the builders that are working there) who said that he had seen the 
garage had been opened and that he had put the lock on !  (that didn't sound 
likely to me, but maybe)

mrcheerful

mrcheerful
..  wrote:


> > Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported 
> > incident
> > ?
> 
> They seem interested and are coming to take a statement at 9.15pm !!  The
> SOCO is going to come and check whether the handprints on the car are any
> help at a later appointment.  Police say that DVLA will not tell me the
> name/address of the attempt at the V5, but of course they will tell the
> police!  So that may shed some light, the thing that is so bizarre is the
> vehicle involved, it would be more understandable for someone to take a
> chance at the V5 for a valuable car.


What car is it? - is it just that your particular example isn't
valuable, but that a very good example would be worth a fair bit?

They probably don't want your car, in particular, but are after a V5 to
sell a stolen one.
-- 
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"SteveH"  wrote in message 
news:1h2btr1.16vbhd7uzz8fvN%steve@italiancar.co.uk...

> mrcheerful
> .  wrote:
>
>> > Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported
>> > incident
>> > ?
>>
>> They seem interested and are coming to take a statement at 9.15pm !!  The
>> SOCO is going to come and check whether the handprints on the car are any
>> help at a later appointment.  Police say that DVLA will not tell me the
>> name/address of the attempt at the V5, but of course they will tell the
>> police!  So that may shed some light, the thing that is so bizarre is the
>> vehicle involved, it would be more understandable for someone to take a
>> chance at the V5 for a valuable car.
>
> What car is it? - is it just that your particular example isn't
> valuable, but that a very good example would be worth a fair bit?
>
> They probably don't want your car, in particular, but are after a V5 to
> sell a stolen one.



Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993, even a cloned one would be hard 
pushed to reach 500 quid.

mrcheerful

"SteveH"  wrote in message 
news:1h2btr1.16vbhd7uzz8fvN%steve@italiancar.co.uk...

> mrcheerful
> .  wrote:
>
>> > Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported
>> > incident
>> > ?
>>
>> They seem interested and are coming to take a statement at 9.15pm !!  The
>> SOCO is going to come and check whether the handprints on the car are any
>> help at a later appointment.  Police say that DVLA will not tell me the
>> name/address of the attempt at the V5, but of course they will tell the
>> police!  So that may shed some light, the thing that is so bizarre is the
>> vehicle involved, it would be more understandable for someone to take a
>> chance at the V5 for a valuable car.
>
> What car is it? - is it just that your particular example isn't
> valuable, but that a very good example would be worth a fair bit?
>
> They probably don't want your car, in particular, but are after a V5 to
> sell a stolen one.



Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993, even a cloned one would be hard 
pushed to reach 500 quid.

mrcheerful

"SteveH"  wrote in message 
news:1h2btr1.16vbhd7uzz8fvN%steve@italiancar.co.uk...

> mrcheerful
> .  wrote:
>
>> > Just out of curiosity what are the police doing about the reported
>> > incident
>> > ?
>>
>> They seem interested and are coming to take a statement at 9.15pm !!  The
>> SOCO is going to come and check whether the handprints on the car are any
>> help at a later appointment.  Police say that DVLA will not tell me the
>> name/address of the attempt at the V5, but of course they will tell the
>> police!  So that may shed some light, the thing that is so bizarre is the
>> vehicle involved, it would be more understandable for someone to take a
>> chance at the V5 for a valuable car.
>
> What car is it? - is it just that your particular example isn't
> valuable, but that a very good example would be worth a fair bit?
>
> They probably don't want your car, in particular, but are after a V5 to
> sell a stolen one.



Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993, even a cloned one would be hard 
pushed to reach 500 quid.

mrcheerful

<snip>

>> The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose 
>> treat it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner 
>> although 14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or 
>> something, having your name on a log book is not proof of legal 
>> ownership. It is good policy to keep hold of all receipts for cars bought 
>> and sold.
>>
>> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may 
>> be in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough 
>> noise to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily 
>> have taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
>> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in 
>> it and couldn't establish who owns it?
>>
>> Pete W
>
>
> That is possible, but they only needed to ask the dvla for owners details, 
> not apply for a V5, probably the local plod would have looked it up and 
> passed their details to me.
> Possibly it is the new owners (builder firm)of the nearest house chancing 
> their luck that the owner of the garage has passed away and they can get 
> the garage by adverse possession, but then surely they should keep as 
> quiet as possible, not apply for a V5 ?  I phoned the apparent owner of 
> the house (via the builders that are working there) who said that he had 
> seen the garage had been opened and that he had put the lock on !  (that 
> didn't sound likely to me, but maybe)
>
> mrcheerful



The DVLA wouldn't have let them have your details and asking the police to 
put you in contact would be service beyond belief!!! :-)
Maybe the builders want the land and want to make you an exorbitant offer to 
vacate.
They could have just torched the place.
For the price of a stamp, applying for the V5 is a good way of motivating 
interest in old, seemingly abandoned cars.

Doesn't apply for really old cars not registered at Swansea though; then it 
gets complicated.

Pete W

"Pete W" <pete@ (delete this) squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:dfctjv$78e$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

> <snip>
>>> The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose 
>>> treat it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner 
>>> although 14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or 
>>> something, having your name on a log book is not proof of legal 
>>> ownership. It is good policy to keep hold of all receipts for cars 
>>> bought and sold.
>>>
>>> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may 
>>> be in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough 
>>> noise to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily 
>>> have taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
>>> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in 
>>> it and couldn't establish who owns it?
>>>
>>> Pete W
>>
>>
>> That is possible, but they only needed to ask the dvla for owners 
>> details, not apply for a V5, probably the local plod would have looked it 
>> up and passed their details to me.
>> Possibly it is the new owners (builder firm)of the nearest house chancing 
>> their luck that the owner of the garage has passed away and they can get 
>> the garage by adverse possession, but then surely they should keep as 
>> quiet as possible, not apply for a V5 ?  I phoned the apparent owner of 
>> the house (via the builders that are working there) who said that he had 
>> seen the garage had been opened and that he had put the lock on !  (that 
>> didn't sound likely to me, but maybe)
>>
>> mrcheerful
>
>
> The DVLA wouldn't have let them have your details and asking the police to 
> put you in contact would be service beyond belief!!! :-)
> Maybe the builders want the land and want to make you an exorbitant offer 
> to vacate.
> They could have just torched the place.
> For the price of a stamp, applying for the V5 is a good way of motivating 
> interest in old, seemingly abandoned cars.
>
> Doesn't apply for really old cars not registered at Swansea though; then 
> it gets complicated.
>
> Pete W


You are probably right, although I understood DVLA will divulge details with 
a good reason given.

The police have been for a statement, applying for the V5 is not an offence 
and apparently very common !!

Breaking into the garage is an offence and they are following that up.

Fingers crossed and very impressed at the police response so far !!

mrcheerful

> You are probably right, although I understood DVLA will divulge details 
> with a good reason given.
>
> The police have been for a statement, applying for the V5 is not an 
> offence and apparently very common !!
>
> Breaking into the garage is an offence and they are following that up.


That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in itself, but 
whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only 
accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's viewable 
somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through the windscreen. 
Like you say though, if they had to break into a garage to find out any such 
information, then they've committed that offence anyway.


> Fingers crossed and very impressed at the police response so far !!




-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

<snip>

>> The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose 
>> treat it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner 
>> although 14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or 
>> something, having your name on a log book is not proof of legal 
>> ownership. It is good policy to keep hold of all receipts for cars bought 
>> and sold.
>>
>> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may 
>> be in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough 
>> noise to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily 
>> have taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
>> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in 
>> it and couldn't establish who owns it?
>>
>> Pete W
>
>
> That is possible, but they only needed to ask the dvla for owners details, 
> not apply for a V5, probably the local plod would have looked it up and 
> passed their details to me.
> Possibly it is the new owners (builder firm)of the nearest house chancing 
> their luck that the owner of the garage has passed away and they can get 
> the garage by adverse possession, but then surely they should keep as 
> quiet as possible, not apply for a V5 ?  I phoned the apparent owner of 
> the house (via the builders that are working there) who said that he had 
> seen the garage had been opened and that he had put the lock on !  (that 
> didn't sound likely to me, but maybe)
>
> mrcheerful



The DVLA wouldn't have let them have your details and asking the police to 
put you in contact would be service beyond belief!!! :-)
Maybe the builders want the land and want to make you an exorbitant offer to 
vacate.
They could have just torched the place.
For the price of a stamp, applying for the V5 is a good way of motivating 
interest in old, seemingly abandoned cars.

Doesn't apply for really old cars not registered at Swansea though; then it 
gets complicated.

Pete W

"Pete W" <pete@ (delete this) squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:dfctjv$78e$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

> <snip>
>>> The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose 
>>> treat it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner 
>>> although 14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or 
>>> something, having your name on a log book is not proof of legal 
>>> ownership. It is good policy to keep hold of all receipts for cars 
>>> bought and sold.
>>>
>>> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may 
>>> be in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough 
>>> noise to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily 
>>> have taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
>>> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in 
>>> it and couldn't establish who owns it?
>>>
>>> Pete W
>>
>>
>> That is possible, but they only needed to ask the dvla for owners 
>> details, not apply for a V5, probably the local plod would have looked it 
>> up and passed their details to me.
>> Possibly it is the new owners (builder firm)of the nearest house chancing 
>> their luck that the owner of the garage has passed away and they can get 
>> the garage by adverse possession, but then surely they should keep as 
>> quiet as possible, not apply for a V5 ?  I phoned the apparent owner of 
>> the house (via the builders that are working there) who said that he had 
>> seen the garage had been opened and that he had put the lock on !  (that 
>> didn't sound likely to me, but maybe)
>>
>> mrcheerful
>
>
> The DVLA wouldn't have let them have your details and asking the police to 
> put you in contact would be service beyond belief!!! :-)
> Maybe the builders want the land and want to make you an exorbitant offer 
> to vacate.
> They could have just torched the place.
> For the price of a stamp, applying for the V5 is a good way of motivating 
> interest in old, seemingly abandoned cars.
>
> Doesn't apply for really old cars not registered at Swansea though; then 
> it gets complicated.
>
> Pete W


You are probably right, although I understood DVLA will divulge details with 
a good reason given.

The police have been for a statement, applying for the V5 is not an offence 
and apparently very common !!

Breaking into the garage is an offence and they are following that up.

Fingers crossed and very impressed at the police response so far !!

mrcheerful

<snip>

>> The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose 
>> treat it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner 
>> although 14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or 
>> something, having your name on a log book is not proof of legal 
>> ownership. It is good policy to keep hold of all receipts for cars bought 
>> and sold.
>>
>> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may 
>> be in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough 
>> noise to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily 
>> have taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
>> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in 
>> it and couldn't establish who owns it?
>>
>> Pete W
>
>
> That is possible, but they only needed to ask the dvla for owners details, 
> not apply for a V5, probably the local plod would have looked it up and 
> passed their details to me.
> Possibly it is the new owners (builder firm)of the nearest house chancing 
> their luck that the owner of the garage has passed away and they can get 
> the garage by adverse possession, but then surely they should keep as 
> quiet as possible, not apply for a V5 ?  I phoned the apparent owner of 
> the house (via the builders that are working there) who said that he had 
> seen the garage had been opened and that he had put the lock on !  (that 
> didn't sound likely to me, but maybe)
>
> mrcheerful



The DVLA wouldn't have let them have your details and asking the police to 
put you in contact would be service beyond belief!!! :-)
Maybe the builders want the land and want to make you an exorbitant offer to 
vacate.
They could have just torched the place.
For the price of a stamp, applying for the V5 is a good way of motivating 
interest in old, seemingly abandoned cars.

Doesn't apply for really old cars not registered at Swansea though; then it 
gets complicated.

Pete W

"Pete W" <pete@ (delete this) squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:dfctjv$78e$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

> <snip>
>>> The DVLA will be unaware of the complete circumstances and I suppose 
>>> treat it as an abandoned car, fair play to them for contacting the owner 
>>> although 14 days is a bit short. But even if you were on holiday or 
>>> something, having your name on a log book is not proof of legal 
>>> ownership. It is good policy to keep hold of all receipts for cars 
>>> bought and sold.
>>>
>>> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They may 
>>> be in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make enough 
>>> noise to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could easily 
>>> have taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or something.
>>> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car in 
>>> it and couldn't establish who owns it?
>>>
>>> Pete W
>>
>>
>> That is possible, but they only needed to ask the dvla for owners 
>> details, not apply for a V5, probably the local plod would have looked it 
>> up and passed their details to me.
>> Possibly it is the new owners (builder firm)of the nearest house chancing 
>> their luck that the owner of the garage has passed away and they can get 
>> the garage by adverse possession, but then surely they should keep as 
>> quiet as possible, not apply for a V5 ?  I phoned the apparent owner of 
>> the house (via the builders that are working there) who said that he had 
>> seen the garage had been opened and that he had put the lock on !  (that 
>> didn't sound likely to me, but maybe)
>>
>> mrcheerful
>
>
> The DVLA wouldn't have let them have your details and asking the police to 
> put you in contact would be service beyond belief!!! :-)
> Maybe the builders want the land and want to make you an exorbitant offer 
> to vacate.
> They could have just torched the place.
> For the price of a stamp, applying for the V5 is a good way of motivating 
> interest in old, seemingly abandoned cars.
>
> Doesn't apply for really old cars not registered at Swansea though; then 
> it gets complicated.
>
> Pete W


You are probably right, although I understood DVLA will divulge details with 
a good reason given.

The police have been for a statement, applying for the V5 is not an offence 
and apparently very common !!

Breaking into the garage is an offence and they are following that up.

Fingers crossed and very impressed at the police response so far !!

mrcheerful

"AstraVanMan"  wrote in message 
news:e9oSe.844$741.11@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...

>> You are probably right, although I understood DVLA will divulge details 
>> with a good reason given.
>>
>> The police have been for a statement, applying for the V5 is not an 
>> offence and apparently very common !!
>>
>> Breaking into the garage is an offence and they are following that up.
>
> That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in itself, but 
> whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only 
> accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's 
> viewable somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through the 
> windscreen.


that is odd, because I am reasonably sure the car has not been opened!! 
I'll look tomorrow a bit closer when the soco comes round.

mrchherful  (too much drink)

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:04:51 +0100, "Gio" <x> wrote:


>>
>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
>weekdays
>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
>for
>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
>is
>> all a mystery to me.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>>
>>
>I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
>especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>
>Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
>Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
>getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.


And just what do you think they are doing here?

The only slightly questionable point is the 14 day limit. But if you
had bought a new car legitimately, and the old owner had not sent in
their part of the V5, would you be happy if your application for a new
one were delayed unreasonably because of that?



>  I do not think
>they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
>supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent fraud
>amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 1st.
>


So the fact they are doing what you say they should be doing means
they need to get their house in order does it?

What an odd conclusion :-)
-- 
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Always glad to share my ignorance - I've got plenty.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

The message <oioSe.101815$G8.73083@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "mrcheerful                                                        
                 ."  contains these words:


> > That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in
> > itself, but 
> > whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only 
> > accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's 
> > viewable somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through the 
> > windscreen.

> that is odd, because I am reasonably sure the car has not been opened!! 
> I'll look tomorrow a bit closer when the soco comes round.


That age of Metro, I'm fairly sure, had the number visible through the
windscreen.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

"Guy King"  wrote in message 
news:3130303034323739431A30ED13@zetnet.co.uk...

> The message <oioSe.101815$G8.73083@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> from "mrcheerful
>                 ."  contains these words:
>
>> > That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in
>> > itself, but
>> > whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only
>> > accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's
>> > viewable somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through 
>> > the
>> > windscreen.
>
>> that is odd, because I am reasonably sure the car has not been opened!!
>> I'll look tomorrow a bit closer when the soco comes round.
>
> That age of Metro, I'm fairly sure, had the number visible through the
> windscreen.


no, I am very sure it doesn't (I own lots of metros newer and older)  it is 
stamped in the bonnet / scuttle hollow plus the vin plate.

mrcheerful

> You are probably right, although I understood DVLA will divulge details 
> with a good reason given.
>
> The police have been for a statement, applying for the V5 is not an 
> offence and apparently very common !!
>
> Breaking into the garage is an offence and they are following that up.


That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in itself, but 
whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only 
accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's viewable 
somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through the windscreen. 
Like you say though, if they had to break into a garage to find out any such 
information, then they've committed that offence anyway.


> Fingers crossed and very impressed at the police response so far !!




-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

"AstraVanMan"  wrote in message 
news:e9oSe.844$741.11@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...

>> You are probably right, although I understood DVLA will divulge details 
>> with a good reason given.
>>
>> The police have been for a statement, applying for the V5 is not an 
>> offence and apparently very common !!
>>
>> Breaking into the garage is an offence and they are following that up.
>
> That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in itself, but 
> whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only 
> accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's 
> viewable somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through the 
> windscreen.


that is odd, because I am reasonably sure the car has not been opened!! 
I'll look tomorrow a bit closer when the soco comes round.

mrchherful  (too much drink)

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:40:03 GMT, "PC Paul"  wrote:


>Pete W wrote:
>
>> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car
>> in it and couldn't establish who owns it?
>
>ISTR there is a process for 'claiming' cars which appear to be ownerless, 
>but I thought it was more longwinded than just asking for it and waiting a 
>fortnight...
>


There is, but the "registered keeper" of the car and the legal owner
of the car are two completely different things. Anyone can apply to
become the registered keeper, wether they actually have legal title to
the property (ie the car) is a different matter.

Alex

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:04:51 +0100, "Gio" <x> wrote:


>>
>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
>weekdays
>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
>for
>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
>is
>> all a mystery to me.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>>
>>
>I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
>especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>
>Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
>Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
>getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.


And just what do you think they are doing here?

The only slightly questionable point is the 14 day limit. But if you
had bought a new car legitimately, and the old owner had not sent in
their part of the V5, would you be happy if your application for a new
one were delayed unreasonably because of that?



>  I do not think
>they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
>supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent fraud
>amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 1st.
>


So the fact they are doing what you say they should be doing means
they need to get their house in order does it?

What an odd conclusion :-)
-- 
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Always glad to share my ignorance - I've got plenty.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

The message <oioSe.101815$G8.73083@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "mrcheerful                                                        
                 ."  contains these words:


> > That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in
> > itself, but 
> > whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only 
> > accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's 
> > viewable somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through the 
> > windscreen.

> that is odd, because I am reasonably sure the car has not been opened!! 
> I'll look tomorrow a bit closer when the soco comes round.


That age of Metro, I'm fairly sure, had the number visible through the
windscreen.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

"Guy King"  wrote in message 
news:3130303034323739431A30ED13@zetnet.co.uk...

> The message <oioSe.101815$G8.73083@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> from "mrcheerful
>                 ."  contains these words:
>
>> > That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in
>> > itself, but
>> > whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only
>> > accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's
>> > viewable somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through 
>> > the
>> > windscreen.
>
>> that is odd, because I am reasonably sure the car has not been opened!!
>> I'll look tomorrow a bit closer when the soco comes round.
>
> That age of Metro, I'm fairly sure, had the number visible through the
> windscreen.


no, I am very sure it doesn't (I own lots of metros newer and older)  it is 
stamped in the bonnet / scuttle hollow plus the vin plate.

mrcheerful

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:40:03 GMT, "PC Paul"  wrote:


>Pete W wrote:
>
>> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car
>> in it and couldn't establish who owns it?
>
>ISTR there is a process for 'claiming' cars which appear to be ownerless, 
>but I thought it was more longwinded than just asking for it and waiting a 
>fortnight...
>


There is, but the "registered keeper" of the car and the legal owner
of the car are two completely different things. Anyone can apply to
become the registered keeper, wether they actually have legal title to
the property (ie the car) is a different matter.

Alex

> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They
> may be in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make
> enough noise to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could
> easily have taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or
> something. Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage
> with a car in it and couldn't establish who owns it?
> 
> Pete W 


Hardly an excuse in my view, since they would certainly have known that
*they* didn't own it... 

Martin.

> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They
> may be in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make
> enough noise to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could
> easily have taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or
> something. Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage
> with a car in it and couldn't establish who owns it?
> 
> Pete W 


Hardly an excuse in my view, since they would certainly have known that
*they* didn't own it... 

Martin.

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:33:37 GMT, "mrcheerful
.."  wrote:


>
>I own lots of metros newer and older

Sucker for punishment? ;-)
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by email)     
----1961 Austin A40 Farina----1966 Triumph Herald Estate---
---1967 Riley Elf---1965 Hillman Minx---1969 Morris Minor--
-1972 Mini Clubman estate--1957 Standard 8--1979 Ford Capri
    ********** Please don't email in HTML! **********

> You are probably right, although I understood DVLA will divulge details 
> with a good reason given.
>
> The police have been for a statement, applying for the V5 is not an 
> offence and apparently very common !!
>
> Breaking into the garage is an offence and they are following that up.


That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in itself, but 
whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only 
accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's viewable 
somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through the windscreen. 
Like you say though, if they had to break into a garage to find out any such 
information, then they've committed that offence anyway.


> Fingers crossed and very impressed at the police response so far !!




-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

"AstraVanMan"  wrote in message 
news:e9oSe.844$741.11@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...

>> You are probably right, although I understood DVLA will divulge details 
>> with a good reason given.
>>
>> The police have been for a statement, applying for the V5 is not an 
>> offence and apparently very common !!
>>
>> Breaking into the garage is an offence and they are following that up.
>
> That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in itself, but 
> whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only 
> accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's 
> viewable somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through the 
> windscreen.


that is odd, because I am reasonably sure the car has not been opened!! 
I'll look tomorrow a bit closer when the soco comes round.

mrchherful  (too much drink)

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:04:51 +0100, "Gio" <x> wrote:


>>
>> Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>> reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
>weekdays
>> !!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
>for
>> the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
>is
>> all a mystery to me.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>>
>>
>I would think the DVLA will give you the name and address without question
>especially if when you call you ask that question 1st.
>
>Regarding the system that DVLA have adopted, then I agree with you.
>Assuming transfer of the document to a new person is stupid without 1st
>getting confirmation off the original registered keeper.


And just what do you think they are doing here?

The only slightly questionable point is the 14 day limit. But if you
had bought a new car legitimately, and the old owner had not sent in
their part of the V5, would you be happy if your application for a new
one were delayed unreasonably because of that?



>  I do not think
>they accept the same conditions when it involves anything that you have to
>supply to them.  I thought the new style logbook was there to prevent fraud
>amongst other things.  Looks like they need to get there house in order 1st.
>


So the fact they are doing what you say they should be doing means
they need to get their house in order does it?

What an odd conclusion :-)
-- 
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Always glad to share my ignorance - I've got plenty.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

The message <oioSe.101815$G8.73083@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "mrcheerful                                                        
                 ."  contains these words:


> > That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in
> > itself, but 
> > whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only 
> > accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's 
> > viewable somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through the 
> > windscreen.

> that is odd, because I am reasonably sure the car has not been opened!! 
> I'll look tomorrow a bit closer when the soco comes round.


That age of Metro, I'm fairly sure, had the number visible through the
windscreen.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

"Guy King"  wrote in message 
news:3130303034323739431A30ED13@zetnet.co.uk...

> The message <oioSe.101815$G8.73083@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> from "mrcheerful
>                 ."  contains these words:
>
>> > That's the thing - maybe applying for a V5 isn't an offence in
>> > itself, but
>> > whoever's applying for a V5 will need to know the VIN no, which is only
>> > accessible by opening the car up to pop up the bonnet.  Unless it's
>> > viewable somewhere else, like on a plate on fhe dash, visible through 
>> > the
>> > windscreen.
>
>> that is odd, because I am reasonably sure the car has not been opened!!
>> I'll look tomorrow a bit closer when the soco comes round.
>
> That age of Metro, I'm fairly sure, had the number visible through the
> windscreen.


no, I am very sure it doesn't (I own lots of metros newer and older)  it is 
stamped in the bonnet / scuttle hollow plus the vin plate.

mrcheerful

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:40:03 GMT, "PC Paul"  wrote:


>Pete W wrote:
>
>> Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car
>> in it and couldn't establish who owns it?
>
>ISTR there is a process for 'claiming' cars which appear to be ownerless, 
>but I thought it was more longwinded than just asking for it and waiting a 
>fortnight...
>


There is, but the "registered keeper" of the car and the legal owner
of the car are two completely different things. Anyone can apply to
become the registered keeper, wether they actually have legal title to
the property (ie the car) is a different matter.

Alex

> It is significant that the intruders have not removed the car. They
> may be in trouble for breaking and entering but if they could make
> enough noise to grind locks without raising suspicion, then they could
> easily have taken the car and broken it up or changed the ID or
> something. Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage
> with a car in it and couldn't establish who owns it?
> 
> Pete W 


Hardly an excuse in my view, since they would certainly have known that
*they* didn't own it... 

Martin.

"Chris Bolus"  wrote in message 
news:85hkh15kn3ct06u1nqbok6fk9c99akhhdf@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:33:37 GMT, "mrcheerful
> ."  wrote:
>
>>
>>I own lots of metros newer and older
> Sucker for punishment? ;-)
> -- 


I used to hate them, but got used to all the problems, and now I quite like 
them.

mrcheerful

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:30:00 +0100, "Pete W" <pete@ (delete this)
squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:


>For the price of a stamp, applying for the V5 is a good way of motivating 
>interest in old, seemingly abandoned cars.


Not really, you have to pay 19 too!

-- 
Howard Rose 
1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 
1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 
1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe 
http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website)

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:30:00 +0100, "Pete W" <pete@ (delete this)
squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:


>For the price of a stamp, applying for the V5 is a good way of motivating 
>interest in old, seemingly abandoned cars.


Not really, you have to pay 19 too!

-- 
Howard Rose 
1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 
1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 
1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe 
http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website)

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:30:00 +0100, "Pete W" <pete@ (delete this)
squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:


>For the price of a stamp, applying for the V5 is a good way of motivating 
>interest in old, seemingly abandoned cars.


Not really, you have to pay 19 too!

-- 
Howard Rose 
1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 
1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 
1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe 
http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website)

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
.."  wrote:


>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that 
>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all right?
>
>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the 
>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has replaced 
>one lock.
>
>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will 
>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>
>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they 
>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may 
>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they 
>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>
>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and 
>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till weekdays 
>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied for 
>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it is 
>all a mystery to me.


What did the police have to say?

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
.."  wrote:


>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that 
>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all right?
>
>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the 
>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has replaced 
>one lock.
>
>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will 
>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>
>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they 
>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may 
>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they 
>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>
>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and 
>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till weekdays 
>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied for 
>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it is 
>all a mystery to me.


What did the police have to say?

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
.."  wrote:


>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that 
>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all right?
>
>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the 
>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has replaced 
>one lock.
>
>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will 
>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>
>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they 
>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may 
>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they 
>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>
>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and 
>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till weekdays 
>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied for 
>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it is 
>all a mystery to me.


What did the police have to say?

"Deville"  wrote in message 
news:leknh1p7u0diuj16ilk41vfto778bp3hai@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
> ."  wrote:
>
>>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that
>>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all 
>>right?
>>
>>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the
>>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has 
>>replaced
>>one lock.
>>
>>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will
>>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>>
>>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they
>>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may
>>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they
>>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>>
>>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till 
>>weekdays
>>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied 
>>for
>>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it 
>>is
>>all a mystery to me.
>
> What did the police have to say?
>


They say that it is happening a lot, mainly so that the perps can clone the 
details onto a stolen version of the car!  It is not illegal to apply for 
the log book!

Breaking into the garage is the bit they are interested in, from the box of 
rubbish that appeared in the garage it appears to be something to do with 
the purchasers of the nearest house, SOCO took various bits and pieces and 
fingerprints.  DVLA won't tell me the details of the perp.  The soco guesses 
that someone is hoping to take over the garage!!

mrcheerful

"Deville"  wrote in message 
news:leknh1p7u0diuj16ilk41vfto778bp3hai@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
> ."  wrote:
>
>>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that
>>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all 
>>right?
>>
>>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the
>>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has 
>>replaced
>>one lock.
>>
>>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will
>>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>>
>>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they
>>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may
>>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they
>>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>>
>>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till 
>>weekdays
>>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied 
>>for
>>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it 
>>is
>>all a mystery to me.
>
> What did the police have to say?
>


They say that it is happening a lot, mainly so that the perps can clone the 
details onto a stolen version of the car!  It is not illegal to apply for 
the log book!

Breaking into the garage is the bit they are interested in, from the box of 
rubbish that appeared in the garage it appears to be something to do with 
the purchasers of the nearest house, SOCO took various bits and pieces and 
fingerprints.  DVLA won't tell me the details of the perp.  The soco guesses 
that someone is hoping to take over the garage!!

mrcheerful

"Deville"  wrote in message 
news:leknh1p7u0diuj16ilk41vfto778bp3hai@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
> ."  wrote:
>
>>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that
>>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all 
>>right?
>>
>>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the
>>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has 
>>replaced
>>one lock.
>>
>>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will
>>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>>
>>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they
>>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may
>>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they
>>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>>
>>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till 
>>weekdays
>>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied 
>>for
>>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it 
>>is
>>all a mystery to me.
>
> What did the police have to say?
>


They say that it is happening a lot, mainly so that the perps can clone the 
details onto a stolen version of the car!  It is not illegal to apply for 
the log book!

Breaking into the garage is the bit they are interested in, from the box of 
rubbish that appeared in the garage it appears to be something to do with 
the purchasers of the nearest house, SOCO took various bits and pieces and 
fingerprints.  DVLA won't tell me the details of the perp.  The soco guesses 
that someone is hoping to take over the garage!!

mrcheerful

mrcheerful. (nbkm57@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : 


> Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993


<boggle>

Look, this may be a silly question, but why on earth are you paying for a 
lockup for a diseasel Metro?

On 05 Sep 2005 19:41:22 GMT, Adrian  wrote:


>mrcheerful. (nbkm57@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
>they were saying : 
>
>> Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993
>
><boggle>
>
>Look, this may be a silly question, but why on earth are you paying for a 
>lockup for a diseasel Metro?


Harsh, that is. Harsh. You'll be suggesting no-one should be
preserving four-cylinder Visas next. As if!
-- 

Ian

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:Xns96C8D270F4DEadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> mrcheerful. (nbkm57@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>> Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993
>
> <boggle>
>
> Look, this may be a silly question, but why on earth are you paying for a
> lockup for a diseasel Metro?


Good question, but I own the lock-up, the metro only needs a headgasket and 
is perfect, two lady owners very low mileage.

mrcheerful

mrcheerful. (nbkm57@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : 


> Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993


<boggle>

Look, this may be a silly question, but why on earth are you paying for a 
lockup for a diseasel Metro?

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:Xns96C8D270F4DEadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> mrcheerful. (nbkm57@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>> Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993
>
> <boggle>
>
> Look, this may be a silly question, but why on earth are you paying for a
> lockup for a diseasel Metro?


Good question, but I own the lock-up, the metro only needs a headgasket and 
is perfect, two lady owners very low mileage.

mrcheerful

mrcheerful. (nbkm57@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : 


> Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993


<boggle>

Look, this may be a silly question, but why on earth are you paying for a 
lockup for a diseasel Metro?

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:Xns96C8D270F4DEadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> mrcheerful. (nbkm57@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>> Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993
>
> <boggle>
>
> Look, this may be a silly question, but why on earth are you paying for a
> lockup for a diseasel Metro?


Good question, but I own the lock-up, the metro only needs a headgasket and 
is perfect, two lady owners very low mileage.

mrcheerful

mrcheerful . wrote:


> Good question, but I own the lock-up, the metro only needs a headgasket and 
> is perfect, two lady owners very low mileage.
> 
> mrcheerful 


Confused? Mrscheerful?

-- 
Chris S.

In article <UJ1Te.103043$G8.55860@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
mrcheerful                                                     <URL:mailto:nbkm57@hotmail.com> wrote:


> two lady owners very low mileage.


I'm sure that they will be flattered. :-)

-- 
AJL

mrcheerful . wrote:


> Good question, but I own the lock-up, the metro only needs a headgasket and 
> is perfect, two lady owners very low mileage.
> 
> mrcheerful 


Confused? Mrscheerful?

-- 
Chris S.

In article <UJ1Te.103043$G8.55860@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
mrcheerful                                                     <URL:mailto:nbkm57@hotmail.com> wrote:


> two lady owners very low mileage.


I'm sure that they will be flattered. :-)

-- 
AJL

mrcheerful . wrote:


> Good question, but I own the lock-up, the metro only needs a headgasket and 
> is perfect, two lady owners very low mileage.
> 
> mrcheerful 


Confused? Mrscheerful?

-- 
Chris S.

In article <UJ1Te.103043$G8.55860@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
mrcheerful                                                     <URL:mailto:nbkm57@hotmail.com> wrote:


> two lady owners very low mileage.


I'm sure that they will be flattered. :-)

-- 
AJL

"Ian Dalziel"  wrote in message
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> On 05 Sep 2005 19:41:22 GMT, Adrian  wrote:
>
> >mrcheerful. (nbkm57@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> >they were saying :
> >
> >> Not really, it is a rover metro diesel 1993
> >
> ><boggle>
> >
> >Look, this may be a silly question, but why on earth are you paying for a
> >lockup for a diseasel Metro?
>
> Harsh, that is. Harsh. You'll be suggesting no-one should be
> preserving four-cylinder Visas next. As if!
> -- 
>

Er - bought a Visa X new for my then wife - a very good car apart from the
paintwork (resprayed so many times under warranty that there was more paint
than metal).

Only problem was its perceived image.  My commute in those days involved a
wonderful carve-up as the M25 attached itself to the A30.  In my daily
driver (AlfaSud 1500 ti) there was no problem slotting in, but if I used the
Visa it seemed everyone was out to run me off the road - it was just a
little shopping car, wasn't it, and had no business mixing it with the
Cortinas and Baader Meinhof Wagens.

Loved the baked bean can which operated all the minor functions.  Citroen
used to go their own way and made some extraordinary cars which took some
getting used to.  Nowadays they take a Eurobox, paint Picasso on the side
and claim it's innovative.

Geoff MacK

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:03:51 GMT, "mrcheerful
.."  wrote:


>
>"Deville"  wrote in message 
>news:leknh1p7u0diuj16ilk41vfto778bp3hai@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
>> ."  wrote:
>>
>>>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that
>>>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all 
>>>right?
>>>
>>>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the
>>>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has 
>>>replaced
>>>one lock.
>>>
>>>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will
>>>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>>>
>>>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they
>>>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may
>>>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they
>>>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>>>
>>>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till 
>>>weekdays
>>>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied 
>>>for
>>>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it 
>>>is
>>>all a mystery to me.
>>
>> What did the police have to say?
>>
>
>They say that it is happening a lot, mainly so that the perps can clone the 
>details onto a stolen version of the car!  It is not illegal to apply for 
>the log book!
>
>Breaking into the garage is the bit they are interested in, from the box of 
>rubbish that appeared in the garage it appears to be something to do with 
>the purchasers of the nearest house, SOCO took various bits and pieces and 
>fingerprints.  DVLA won't tell me the details of the perp.  The soco guesses 
>that someone is hoping to take over the garage!!
>
>mrcheerful 
>

More likely they think they got the garage with the property and have
been told that anything abandoned in it by the former owners can be
claimed by them.  Now they are wondering who stole their new lock and
why the police are knocking on the door.

"Peter Hill"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:03:51 GMT, "mrcheerful
> ."  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Deville"  wrote in message
>>news:leknh1p7u0diuj16ilk41vfto778bp3hai@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
>>> ."  wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that
>>>>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all
>>>>right?
>>>>
>>>>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground 
>>>>the
>>>>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has
>>>>replaced
>>>>one lock.
>>>>
>>>>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will
>>>>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>>>>
>>>>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they
>>>>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may
>>>>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans 
>>>>they
>>>>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>>>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
>>>>weekdays
>>>>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
>>>>for
>>>>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
>>>>is
>>>>all a mystery to me.
>>>
>>> What did the police have to say?
>>>
>>
>>They say that it is happening a lot, mainly so that the perps can clone 
>>the
>>details onto a stolen version of the car!  It is not illegal to apply for
>>the log book!
>>
>>Breaking into the garage is the bit they are interested in, from the box 
>>of
>>rubbish that appeared in the garage it appears to be something to do with
>>the purchasers of the nearest house, SOCO took various bits and pieces and
>>fingerprints.  DVLA won't tell me the details of the perp.  The soco 
>>guesses
>>that someone is hoping to take over the garage!!
>>
>>mrcheerful
>>
> More likely they think they got the garage with the property and have
> been told that anything abandoned in it by the former owners can be
> claimed by them.  Now they are wondering who stole their new lock and
> why the police are knocking on the door.
>


Well the deeds of the house are pretty clear, I got them off the land 
registry, my garage is shown separately.

mrcheerful

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:03:51 GMT, "mrcheerful
.."  wrote:


>
>"Deville"  wrote in message 
>news:leknh1p7u0diuj16ilk41vfto778bp3hai@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
>> ."  wrote:
>>
>>>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that
>>>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all 
>>>right?
>>>
>>>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the
>>>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has 
>>>replaced
>>>one lock.
>>>
>>>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will
>>>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>>>
>>>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they
>>>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may
>>>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they
>>>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>>>
>>>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till 
>>>weekdays
>>>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied 
>>>for
>>>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it 
>>>is
>>>all a mystery to me.
>>
>> What did the police have to say?
>>
>
>They say that it is happening a lot, mainly so that the perps can clone the 
>details onto a stolen version of the car!  It is not illegal to apply for 
>the log book!
>
>Breaking into the garage is the bit they are interested in, from the box of 
>rubbish that appeared in the garage it appears to be something to do with 
>the purchasers of the nearest house, SOCO took various bits and pieces and 
>fingerprints.  DVLA won't tell me the details of the perp.  The soco guesses 
>that someone is hoping to take over the garage!!
>
>mrcheerful 
>

More likely they think they got the garage with the property and have
been told that anything abandoned in it by the former owners can be
claimed by them.  Now they are wondering who stole their new lock and
why the police are knocking on the door.

"Peter Hill"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:03:51 GMT, "mrcheerful
> ."  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Deville"  wrote in message
>>news:leknh1p7u0diuj16ilk41vfto778bp3hai@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
>>> ."  wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that
>>>>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all
>>>>right?
>>>>
>>>>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground 
>>>>the
>>>>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has
>>>>replaced
>>>>one lock.
>>>>
>>>>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will
>>>>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>>>>
>>>>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they
>>>>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may
>>>>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans 
>>>>they
>>>>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>>>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
>>>>weekdays
>>>>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
>>>>for
>>>>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
>>>>is
>>>>all a mystery to me.
>>>
>>> What did the police have to say?
>>>
>>
>>They say that it is happening a lot, mainly so that the perps can clone 
>>the
>>details onto a stolen version of the car!  It is not illegal to apply for
>>the log book!
>>
>>Breaking into the garage is the bit they are interested in, from the box 
>>of
>>rubbish that appeared in the garage it appears to be something to do with
>>the purchasers of the nearest house, SOCO took various bits and pieces and
>>fingerprints.  DVLA won't tell me the details of the perp.  The soco 
>>guesses
>>that someone is hoping to take over the garage!!
>>
>>mrcheerful
>>
> More likely they think they got the garage with the property and have
> been told that anything abandoned in it by the former owners can be
> claimed by them.  Now they are wondering who stole their new lock and
> why the police are knocking on the door.
>


Well the deeds of the house are pretty clear, I got them off the land 
registry, my garage is shown separately.

mrcheerful

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:03:51 GMT, "mrcheerful
.."  wrote:


>
>"Deville"  wrote in message 
>news:leknh1p7u0diuj16ilk41vfto778bp3hai@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
>> ."  wrote:
>>
>>>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that
>>>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all 
>>>right?
>>>
>>>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground the
>>>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has 
>>>replaced
>>>one lock.
>>>
>>>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will
>>>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>>>
>>>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they
>>>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may
>>>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans they
>>>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>>>
>>>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till 
>>>weekdays
>>>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied 
>>>for
>>>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it 
>>>is
>>>all a mystery to me.
>>
>> What did the police have to say?
>>
>
>They say that it is happening a lot, mainly so that the perps can clone the 
>details onto a stolen version of the car!  It is not illegal to apply for 
>the log book!
>
>Breaking into the garage is the bit they are interested in, from the box of 
>rubbish that appeared in the garage it appears to be something to do with 
>the purchasers of the nearest house, SOCO took various bits and pieces and 
>fingerprints.  DVLA won't tell me the details of the perp.  The soco guesses 
>that someone is hoping to take over the garage!!
>
>mrcheerful 
>

More likely they think they got the garage with the property and have
been told that anything abandoned in it by the former owners can be
claimed by them.  Now they are wondering who stole their new lock and
why the police are knocking on the door.

"Peter Hill"  wrote in message 
news:ccgrh1t9pj1a76br806qesmns610t1m55p@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:03:51 GMT, "mrcheerful
> ."  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Deville"  wrote in message
>>news:leknh1p7u0diuj16ilk41vfto778bp3hai@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:18:07 GMT, "mrcheerful
>>> ."  wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was surprised to get a letter from DVLA this morning, they say that
>>>>someone has applied for a log book for a car of mine and is that all
>>>>right?
>>>>
>>>>The car is in a garage remote from my house, someone has angle ground 
>>>>the
>>>>three locks off.  The car is still there and intact and someone has
>>>>replaced
>>>>one lock.
>>>>
>>>>The letter from the DVLA says that if they don't hear from me they will
>>>>assume it is OK and issue a log book, I have 14 days to reply.
>>>>
>>>>My issue with DVLA is that surely UNLESS I contact them and agree they
>>>>should not issue a log book at all.  Also 14 days is far too short, may
>>>>people take holidays longer than that or have holiday homes/caravans 
>>>>they
>>>>stay at, especially in the long school breaks.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else had this sort of thing?  I have resecured the garage and
>>>>reported the incident, but I can't ring DVLA and get any info. till
>>>>weekdays
>>>>!!  It will be interesting to get the name and address that have applied
>>>>for
>>>>the logbook.  The car is not valuable or old or noteworthy at all, so it
>>>>is
>>>>all a mystery to me.
>>>
>>> What did the police have to say?
>>>
>>
>>They say that it is happening a lot, mainly so that the perps can clone 
>>the
>>details onto a stolen version of the car!  It is not illegal to apply for
>>the log book!
>>
>>Breaking into the garage is the bit they are interested in, from the box 
>>of
>>rubbish that appeared in the garage it appears to be something to do with
>>the purchasers of the nearest house, SOCO took various bits and pieces and
>>fingerprints.  DVLA won't tell me the details of the perp.  The soco 
>>guesses
>>that someone is hoping to take over the garage!!
>>
>>mrcheerful
>>
> More likely they think they got the garage with the property and have
> been told that anything abandoned in it by the former owners can be
> claimed by them.  Now they are wondering who stole their new lock and
> why the police are knocking on the door.
>


Well the deeds of the house are pretty clear, I got them off the land 
registry, my garage is shown separately.

mrcheerful

At 18:40:03 on 03/09/2005, PC Paul delighted uk.legal by announcing:


> Pete W wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car
> > in it and couldn't establish who owns it?
> 
> ISTR there is a process for 'claiming' cars which appear to be ownerless,


How many people would see 3 locks on a door and immediately come to the
conclusion that what lies behind that door is ownerless?

The message 
from "Alex"  contains these words:


> How many people would see 3 locks on a door and immediately come to the
> conclusion that what lies behind that door is ownerless?


Quite a few of the residents round here.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

At 18:40:03 on 03/09/2005, PC Paul delighted uk.legal by announcing:


> Pete W wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car
> > in it and couldn't establish who owns it?
> 
> ISTR there is a process for 'claiming' cars which appear to be ownerless,


How many people would see 3 locks on a door and immediately come to the
conclusion that what lies behind that door is ownerless?

The message 
from "Alex"  contains these words:


> How many people would see 3 locks on a door and immediately come to the
> conclusion that what lies behind that door is ownerless?


Quite a few of the residents round here.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

At 18:40:03 on 03/09/2005, PC Paul delighted uk.legal by announcing:


> Pete W wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible that these people discovered an old garage with a car
> > in it and couldn't establish who owns it?
> 
> ISTR there is a process for 'claiming' cars which appear to be ownerless,


How many people would see 3 locks on a door and immediately come to the
conclusion that what lies behind that door is ownerless?

The message 
from "Alex"  contains these words:


> How many people would see 3 locks on a door and immediately come to the
> conclusion that what lies behind that door is ownerless?


Quite a few of the residents round here.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.