Since I've replaced the rear trailing arm bushes on my Rover 416 I've
been wearing the inside of the two rear tyres a great deal.

So guess I need to align them better.

How do I do this?

Try 4X4 Wheel Alignment
 wrote in message 
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> Since I've replaced the rear trailing arm bushes on my Rover 416 I've
> been wearing the inside of the two rear tyres a great deal.
>
> So guess I need to align them better.
>
> How do I do this?
> 

In article ,  
says...

> Since I've replaced the rear trailing arm bushes on my Rover 416 I've
> been wearing the inside of the two rear tyres a great deal.
> 
> So guess I need to align them better.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 

Take it to a place that does tracking and part with 30.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

Conor wrote:

> In article ,
> says...
> > Since I've replaced the rear trailing arm bushes on my Rover 416 I've
> > been wearing the inside of the two rear tyres a great deal.
> >
> > So guess I need to align them better.
> >
> > How do I do this?
> >
> Take it to a place that does tracking and part with £30.


Can't I just do it myself? How hard can it be?

In article , 
danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk says...

> Conor wrote:
> > In article ,
> > says...
> > > Since I've replaced the rear trailing arm bushes on my Rover 416 I've
> > > been wearing the inside of the two rear tyres a great deal.
> > >
> > > So guess I need to align them better.
> > >
> > > How do I do this?
> > >
> > Take it to a place that does tracking and part with £30.
> 
> Can't I just do it myself? How hard can it be?
> 
> 

How many tyres can you afford?
It will still be cheaper than buying the proper alignment gear.
-- 
Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

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Conor wrote:

> In article ,
> says...
> > Since I've replaced the rear trailing arm bushes on my Rover 416 I've
> > been wearing the inside of the two rear tyres a great deal.
> >
> > So guess I need to align them better.
> >
> > How do I do this?
> >
> Take it to a place that does tracking and part with 30.


Can't I just do it myself? How hard can it be?

you wont do it without the proper tracking equipment, im not sure how you
changed your bushes, but you dont have to take the arm off the car to do
them, you can do thme in situu,  we've done a few fair of them as its quite
a common thing on Rovers & Hondas, but we always mark the exact place the
adjustable mounting bolt comes from, so when refitted there is no need to
re-track & have never had too either.

In article ,  
says...


> > Take it to a place that does tracking and part with 30.
> 
> Can't I just do it myself? How hard can it be?
> 

Have you a full set of tracking gauges and a perfectly flat area to do 
it on?


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

reg wrote:

>  wrote in message

> you wont do it without the proper tracking equipment, im not sure how you
> changed your bushes, but you dont have to take the arm off the car to do
> them, you can do thme in situu,


Yes, unfortunately when I called up Rover and one other local garage
for a quote they told me the arms had to come off and quoted a huge sum
of cash.

So when I did them I just assumed the swing arms did have to come off
and took them to an engineering place to press them in/out. He looked
at me in amazement and pointed out they could be done in situ in 20
mins....

So you'll understand why I'm reluctant to let a garage touch the
tracking on my car - if Rover don't know how to replace bushes of
Rovers I'd say my chances of getting tracking done better by a garage
than I can do it with a bit of string are zilch.

Why is alignment on cars so hard? You can do it on a bike in 5 mins.
WHat's the difference?

Conor wrote:

> In article ,
> says...
>
> > > Take it to a place that does tracking and part with £30.
> >
> > Can't I just do it myself? How hard can it be?
> >
> Have you a full set of tracking gauges and a perfectly flat area to do
> it on?


No tracking gauges. That's why I'm asking for practical ways to do it
in my driveway.

On 3 Sep 2005 01:34:10 -0700, danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


> Conor wrote:
>> In article ,
>> says...
>>
>>> > Take it to a place that does tracking and part with 30.
>>>
>>> Can't I just do it myself? How hard can it be?
>>>
>> Have you a full set of tracking gauges and a perfectly flat area to do
>> it on?
> 
> No tracking gauges. That's why I'm asking for practical ways to do it
> in my driveway.


In which case the practical way is to pay your 25 and find a garage that
does 4 wheel tracking. If you really want to do it yourself you will need
to get a full set of gauges which are not cheap.

In article ,
    wrote:

> So you'll understand why I'm reluctant to let a garage touch the
> tracking on my car - if Rover don't know how to replace bushes of
> Rovers I'd say my chances of getting tracking done better by a garage
> than I can do it with a bit of string are zilch.


A specialist equipped with a 4 wheel alignment rig would likely adjust it
for you.

-- 
*I got a sweater for Christmas. I really wanted a screamer or a moaner*

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

wrote in message
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> reg wrote:
> >  wrote in message
>
> > you wont do it without the proper tracking equipment, im not sure how
you
> > changed your bushes, but you dont have to take the arm off the car to do
> > them, you can do thme in situu,
>
> Yes, unfortunately when I called up Rover and one other local garage
> for a quote they told me the arms had to come off and quoted a huge sum
> of cash.
>
> So when I did them I just assumed the swing arms did have to come off
> and took them to an engineering place to press them in/out. He looked
> at me in amazement and pointed out they could be done in situ in 20
> mins....
>
> So you'll understand why I'm reluctant to let a garage touch the
> tracking on my car - if Rover don't know how to replace bushes of
> Rovers I'd say my chances of getting tracking done better by a garage
> than I can do it with a bit of string are zilch.
>
> Why is alignment on cars so hard? You can do it on a bike in 5 mins.
> WHat's the difference?


the difference being is the the two extra wheels a car has.

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:50:03 +0100, Chris Street
 wrote:


>On 3 Sep 2005 01:34:10 -0700, danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Conor wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> says...
>>>
>>>> > Take it to a place that does tracking and part with 30.
>>>>
>>>> Can't I just do it myself? How hard can it be?
>>>>
>>> Have you a full set of tracking gauges and a perfectly flat area to do
>>> it on?
>> 
>> No tracking gauges. That's why I'm asking for practical ways to do it
>> in my driveway.
>
>In which case the practical way is to pay your 25 and find a garage that
>does 4 wheel tracking. If you really want to do it yourself you will need
>to get a full set of gauges which are not cheap.


Front tracking is just difference in distance between front and rear
rims - steel rule to measure gap between rim and end of a trammel bar
made from pipe and elbow fittings works fine .  The steering will
centre up any error in left and right track, so car still goes
straight but with steering wheel offset.  Eliminate that by moving
both nuts the same amount so track rod ends move in same direction on
both sides.

Rear is hard as it has to be set evenly to the car centre line.
Finding the car centre line without a proper tracking kit (just put
normal front wheel kit on back to front, + is - and - is +) usually
means lots of messing around with strings and long boards to find
centre line from front wheels.  Even messier if you have to allow for
different front and rear track width.

http://www.acuraworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60019
http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18606
and the thread that's linked off that one, does camber too and goes on
to diy trammel bar - appears strip of wood and shelf brackets works
for less than 10? Poundland sprit level and maybe brackets 2, strip
of wood and maybe brackets - find a skip.

Tyre shops are crap.  I had a BX, one rear arm bearing went.  The
tyre scrubbed out.  Had it replaced.  Couldn't get the car to run
straight, had it re-tracked.  Still not straight, went back again and
again.  New tyre scrubbed out in 2 months. They were quite willing to
put the steering wheel on one spline further round but tell me the
swing arm bearing was duff - no, just keep on selling tyres until MOT
test found it.

In article ,  
says...


> No tracking gauges. That's why I'm asking for practical ways to do it
> in my driveway.
> 

So you've no tracking guages but want to manage to magically figure out 
a way of checking the angle of the rear wheels to the front and each 
axle from side to side to an accuracy of 0.5mm with wheels, when 
tracked, point inwards and not directly parallel. You DO know car 
wheels toe in or out at the front at standstill?

And all of this to save 25.




-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article , Peter Hill 
says...

> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:50:03 +0100, Chris Street
>  wrote:
> 
> >On 3 Sep 2005 01:34:10 -0700, danny_deever2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >
> >> Conor wrote:
> >>> In article ,
> >>> says...
> >>>
> >>>> > Take it to a place that does tracking and part with 30.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can't I just do it myself? How hard can it be?
> >>>>
> >>> Have you a full set of tracking gauges and a perfectly flat area to do
> >>> it on?
> >> 
> >> No tracking gauges. That's why I'm asking for practical ways to do it
> >> in my driveway.
> >
> >In which case the practical way is to pay your 25 and find a garage that
> >does 4 wheel tracking. If you really want to do it yourself you will need
> >to get a full set of gauges which are not cheap.
> 
> Front tracking is just difference in distance between front and rear
> rims - steel rule to measure gap between rim and end of a trammel bar
> made from pipe and elbow fittings works fine .  The steering will
> centre up any error in left and right track, so car still goes
> straight but with steering wheel offset.  Eliminate that by moving
> both nuts the same amount so track rod ends move in same direction on
> both sides.
> 
> Rear is hard as it has to be set evenly to the car centre line.
> Finding the car centre line without a proper tracking kit (just put
> normal front wheel kit on back to front, + is - and - is +) usually
> means lots of messing around with strings and long boards to find
> centre line from front wheels.  Even messier if you have to allow for
> different front and rear track width.
> 

Very good. Now are you sure what adjustments you make will also result 
in the correct toe in or out for each axle?


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

"Conor"  wrote in message
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You DO know car

> wheels toe in or out at the front at standstill?


Mine don't. Well, they do at the moment as I paid 25 quid for someone to use
the wrong size spanner and then give up when winding the track rods round
enough got tough. But my wheels *shouldn't* have any toe in or out at
standstill.

Yet another job I wish I had my own equipment for, so I didn't have to use
spanner monkeys.

Stuffed wrote:

> "Conor"  wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d83e8d6b4a8b84398aa67@news.individual.net...
> You DO know car
>> wheels toe in or out at the front at standstill?
>
> Mine don't. Well, they do at the moment as I paid 25 quid for someone
> to use the wrong size spanner and then give up when winding the track
> rods round enough got tough. But my wheels *shouldn't* have any toe
> in or out at standstill.
>
> Yet another job I wish I had my own equipment for, so I didn't have
> to use spanner monkeys.


One of the local tyre places uses a wheel scrub gauge (Gunsons do the 
'Trakrite' for 60) and sets everything to straight ahead (0 degrees) 
regardless. Makes the steering feel lighter, but other than that has no ill 
effects that I could find...

In article <dfcp2p$2b0$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, Stuffed says...


> Mine don't. 


I should fucking hope they do. On a 1990-1994 model, front toe in is 
1mmN +/- 1.5. Rear Toe in is 2.2mm +/- 1.5mm.



> 
> Yet another job I wish I had my own equipment for, so I didn't have to use
> spanner monkeys.
> 

Judging by the fact you don't obviously have a clue, I'm glad you 
haven't.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

"Conor"  wrote in message
news:MPG.1d8417f09d51980698aa78@news.individual.net...

> In article <dfcp2p$2b0$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, Stuffed says...
>
> > Mine don't.
>
> I should fucking hope they do. On a 1990-1994 model, front toe in is
> 1mmN +/- 1.5. Rear Toe in is 2.2mm +/- 1.5mm.


As they stopped making my car in 77, I very much doubt those figures are at
all applicable. You stated car wheels toe one way or the other without
specifying age/ driven end, etc. As I replied, mine don't. Or in this case,
shouldn't, but currently do.


> > Yet another job I wish I had my own equipment for, so I didn't have to
use
> > spanner monkeys.
> >
> Judging by the fact you don't obviously have a clue, I'm glad you
> haven't.


Bzzzt, wrong fucknuts. I have enough of a clue to know that a British car
made in 72 is highly unlikely to have metric fittings, even though that's
what the spanner monkey tried to use, before I noticed him rounding the nut
getting it undone. I know full well what my front toe setting should be, and
give me 30 seconds and I can pull up the camber and castor, another 10
seconds and I can find the rear data (I know rear camber should be 3 degrees
neg) too. In fact, whenever I try going to a garage to have these sorts of
things set due to me not having the right equipment myself, I have to
provide the mechanics with the information as I tend not to drive cars that
are on their charts.

You know, you really need to work out why you get so abusive/ abrasive
without fully checking your facts. I guess this is now another Google for
"Conor wrong"...

"PC Paul"  wrote in message
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> One of the local tyre places uses a wheel scrub gauge (Gunsons do the
> 'Trakrite' for 60) and sets everything to straight ahead (0 degrees)
> regardless. Makes the steering feel lighter, but other than that has no
ill
> effects that I could find...


I've been looking at those, but before investing I could do with finding a
flat enough straight enough bit of driveway!

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:08:53 +0100, Conor 
wrote:


>Very good. Now are you sure what adjustments you make will also result 
>in the correct toe in or out for each axle?


Well I could as I have a HND in Mech Eng and can do the 'GCSE' Maths A
or A* level trig standing on my head.

In article <dfd29i$5kr$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, Stuffed says...

> 
> "Conor"  wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d8417f09d51980698aa78@news.individual.net...
> > In article <dfcp2p$2b0$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, Stuffed says...
> >
> > > Mine don't.
> >
> > I should fucking hope they do. On a 1990-1994 model, front toe in is
> > 1mmN +/- 1.5. Rear Toe in is 2.2mm +/- 1.5mm.
> 
> As they stopped making my car in 77, I very much doubt those figures are at
> all applicable. You stated car wheels toe one way or the other without
> specifying age/ driven end, etc.


OP was posting about a Rover 416. The year is above in the reply I've 
given.



> > > Yet another job I wish I had my own equipment for, so I didn't have to
> use
> > > spanner monkeys.
> > >
> > Judging by the fact you don't obviously have a clue, I'm glad you
> > haven't.
> 
> Bzzzt, wrong fucknuts. I have enough of a clue to know that a British car
> made in 72 is highly unlikely to have metric fittings, even though that's
> what the spanner monkey tried to use, before I noticed him rounding the nut
> getting it undone. I know full well what my front toe setting should be, and
> give me 30 seconds and I can pull up the camber and castor, another 10
> seconds and I can find the rear data (I know rear camber should be 3 degrees
> neg) too. In fact, whenever I try going to a garage to have these sorts of
> things set due to me not having the right equipment myself, I have to
> provide the mechanics with the information as I tend not to drive cars that
> are on their charts.


Tell me what it is and I'll see if I have it. I have the same Autodata 
CDs that the garages do.

-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article , Peter Hill 
says...

> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:08:53 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
> 
> >Very good. Now are you sure what adjustments you make will also result 
> >in the correct toe in or out for each axle?
> 
> Well I could as I have a HND in Mech Eng and can do the 'GCSE' Maths A
> or A* level trig standing on my head.
> 

If so then why the fuck you asking us then instead of getting on with 
it?


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

Conor wrote:


> OP was posting about a Rover 416. The year is above in the reply I've 
> given.


And you said that every cars wheels toe in or out. Which is bollocks
but you're too much of a fucknut to understand that.


> Tell me what it is and I'll see if I have it. I have the same Autodata 
> CDs that the garages do.


I assume it's a legitimate copy? Wouldn't like to see you breaking the
law Conor.

John

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:20:13 +0100, Conor 
wrote:


>In article , Peter Hill 
>says...
>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:08:53 +0100, Conor 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Very good. Now are you sure what adjustments you make will also result 
>> >in the correct toe in or out for each axle?
>> 
>> Well I could as I have a HND in Mech Eng and can do the 'GCSE' Maths A
>> or A* level trig standing on my head.
>> 
>If so then why the fuck you asking us then instead of getting on with 
>it?


????!!!!

I wasn't aware I had asked anything or had anything to be "getting on
with".  If I had asked a question I would have indicated this by use
of a "?".

My response was to Chris

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:50:03 +0100, Chris Street
 wrote:


>In which case the practical way is to pay your 25 and find a garage that
>does 4 wheel tracking. If you really want to do it yourself you will need
>to get a full set of gauges which are not cheap.


A DIY tracking kit can be put together for around 10 which is less
than 25 and in my book is "cheap".

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:20:13 +0100, Conor  wrote:


> In article , Peter Hill
> says...
>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:08:53 +0100, Conor 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Very good. Now are you sure what adjustments you make will also result
>> >in the correct toe in or out for each axle?
>>
>> Well I could as I have a HND in Mech Eng and can do the 'GCSE' Maths A
>> or A* level trig standing on my head.
>>
> If so then why the fuck you asking us then instead of getting on with
> it?
>
>

Reinventing the wheel's a pretty pointless task.

In article , John Greystrong says...

> Conor wrote:
> 
> > OP was posting about a Rover 416. The year is above in the reply I've 
> > given.
> 
> And you said that every cars wheels toe in or out. Which is bollocks
> but you're too much of a fucknut to understand that.
> 

My apologies for giving information on the car quoted in the OP. And as 
I have a RWD Capri, don't you think I understand?



> > Tell me what it is and I'll see if I have it. I have the same Autodata 
> > CDs that the garages do.
> 
> I assume it's a legitimate copy? Wouldn't like to see you breaking the
> law Conor.
> 

Unlike you, I don't claim to be law abiding whilst breaking the law 
regarding speed limits.



-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

"John Greystrong"  wrote in message
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> Conor wrote:
>
> > OP was posting about a Rover 416. The year is above in the reply I've
> > given.
>
> And you said that every cars wheels toe in or out. Which is bollocks
> but you're too much of a fucknut to understand that.


Exactly. If Conor was being specific to the Rover 416, then why did he say
"You DO know car wheels toe in or out at the front at standstill?"? Implies
to me he was referring to all cars, not just this particular model of Rover.


> > Tell me what it is and I'll see if I have it. I have the same Autodata
> > CDs that the garages do.


Whether you have the same CD as they should doesn't really matter. The
places around here quite simply don't have the info, as has been proven time
and time again when I've been into most of them. If it ain't on a logo'd
chart on the wall, they don't believe it exists...

I also fell foul of the tyre rating jobsworth. I needed 2 new tyres, and the
other 2 are close to needing replacing too. So I went to the local place
where I've had good deals in the past, where the old grumpy foreman type
insisted I had to have the speed rating currently fitted, whatever the car
actually needs. I wasn't impressed, so just left him to discover every
single tyre on the car is a different make and rating...

In article <dffqq7$2fg$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, Stuffed says...


> Exactly. If Conor was being specific to the Rover 416, then why did he say
> "You DO know car wheels toe in or out at the front at standstill?"? Implies
> to me he was referring to all cars, not just this particular model of Rover.
> 

Because I had forgotten who the OP was and didn't realise you had 
hijacked the thread.


> > > Tell me what it is and I'll see if I have it. I have the same Autodata
> > > CDs that the garages do.
> 
> Whether you have the same CD as they should doesn't really matter. The
> places around here quite simply don't have the info, as has been proven time
> and time again when I've been into most of them. If it ain't on a logo'd
> chart on the wall, they don't believe it exists...
> 
> I also fell foul of the tyre rating jobsworth. I needed 2 new tyres, and the
> other 2 are close to needing replacing too. So I went to the local place
> where I've had good deals in the past, where the old grumpy foreman type
> insisted I had to have the speed rating currently fitted, whatever the car
> actually needs. I wasn't impressed, so just left him to discover every
> single tyre on the car is a different make and rating...
> 

Sadly he's partially right. Insurance companies are getting very picky.


-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article <dffqq7$2fg$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, talking@rse.non 
(Stuffed) wrote:


>  I wasn't impressed, so just left him to discover every
> single tyre on the car is a different make and rating...


Remind me never to go anywhere near you on the road...

-- 
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

The message 
from Conor  contains these words:


> > I also fell foul of the tyre rating jobsworth. I needed 2 new tyres,
> > and the
> > other 2 are close to needing replacing too. So I went to the local place
> > where I've had good deals in the past, where the old grumpy foreman type
> > insisted I had to have the speed rating currently fitted, whatever the car
> > actually needs. I wasn't impressed, so just left him to discover every
> > single tyre on the car is a different make and rating...
> > 
> Sadly he's partially right. Insurance companies are getting very picky.


What's really irksome is that instead of looking up the correct spec for
that vehicle they just look at the old tyres. If someone's fitted
ridiculously high spec tyres to a car they get snotty about fitting
tyres that conform to the original spec.

For example, my old diesel Maestro had at some point had H-rated tyres
fitted and the arseholes wouldn't even consider fitting anything a tad
more realistic. For those that don't know, H-rated is 130mph!

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

In article , Paul 
Cummins says...

> In article <dffqq7$2fg$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, talking@rse.non 
> (Stuffed) wrote:
> 
> >  I wasn't impressed, so just left him to discover every
> > single tyre on the car is a different make and rating...
> 
> Remind me never to go anywhere near you on the road...
> 
> 

Why?

-- 
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen 
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

"Paul Cummins"  wrote in message
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> In article <dffqq7$2fg$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, talking@rse.non
> (Stuffed) wrote:
>
> >  I wasn't impressed, so just left him to discover every
> > single tyre on the car is a different make and rating...
>
> Remind me never to go anywhere near you on the road...


Considering this was 2 days after I'd bought the car, and I'd gone to get a
price with a view to buying that day (because the tyres were mis-matched and
showing signs of age on the fronts), I think you're leaping to somewhat of a
conclusion. Add to that the fact that there's nothing illegal about having 4
different makes and speeds, and you've leapt just a touch too far.

"Guy King"  wrote in message
news:3130303034323739431CA36E17@zetnet.co.uk...


> What's really irksome is that instead of looking up the correct spec for
> that vehicle they just look at the old tyres. If someone's fitted
> ridiculously high spec tyres to a car they get snotty about fitting
> tyres that conform to the original spec.


Exactly. Had he have checked a book and told me I needed x y or z I wouldn't
have minded in the least, but as he insisted on only fitting what was
already on the car, I was both pissed off and more than happy to let him try
and work out how he could fit 4 different ratings without looking a total
fool.


> For example, my old diesel Maestro had at some point had H-rated tyres
> fitted and the arseholes wouldn't even consider fitting anything a tad
> more realistic. For those that don't know, H-rated is 130mph!


My book top speed is about 97mph, and I sincerely doubt anything they carry
in stock wouldn't be suitable for that! I have no objection to having a
higher rating for any number of reasons, but I have a hell of an objection
to being told I can only have something that is nowhere near the original
specification, just because that's what's been fitted by a previous owner.

"Conor"  wrote in message
news:MPG.1d8699a0b2c0253b98aaa4@news.individual.net...

> In article <dffqq7$2fg$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, Stuffed says...
>
> > Exactly. If Conor was being specific to the Rover 416, then why did he
say
> > "You DO know car wheels toe in or out at the front at standstill?"?
Implies
> > to me he was referring to all cars, not just this particular model of
Rover.
> >
> Because I had forgotten who the OP was and didn't realise you had
> hijacked the thread.


So now you're saying as I hijacked the thread based on your non-specific
post, your generalisation was about any cars other than those which don't
have toe in or out? Well, glad you clarified that one!


> I also fell foul of the tyre rating jobsworth. I needed 2 new tyres, and
the
> other 2 are close to needing replacing too. So I went to the local place
> where I've had good deals in the past, where the old grumpy foreman type
> insisted I had to have the speed rating currently fitted, whatever the car
> actually needs. I wasn't impressed, so just left him to discover every
> single tyre on the car is a different make and rating...


Sadly he's partially right. Insurance companies are getting very picky.

The partially being the car ought to have the right tyres fitted? No
arguments from me whatsoever on that one. But to tell me that as a previous
owner had fitted (4 mismatched part worns 8 years ago!) certain type(s) I
have to carry on with that, rather than original requirement/ spec is either
wrong, or the law is a load of bollocks. While I often think the law is
indeed bollocks, I think in this case it was more a case of the guy being
wrong. Now think about how many people he might be wrong to who might not
have quite the interest/ knowledge I do...

In article <dfi75p$rd5$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, talking@rse.non 
(Stuffed) wrote:


> Considering this was 2 days after I'd bought the car,


Regardless of legality, I wouldn't have bought a car with mismatched 
tyres.

At least pairs on the front please...

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