Evening Ladies and Gents,

I'm planning to go from Leeds - Doncaster, I'm wanting to travel 
partially by Hull Trains as I've yet to experience their new fleet, and 
National Rail Enquiries is allowing me to route Selby. One of the other 
routes it allows is Route York, which I didn't think was allowed. I 
checked with Clive's online routing engine which only gives me route 
Wakefield Westgate, or several routes involving Bradford or Warrington! 
National Rail try to sell me a standard day return at 7.80.

I'm a little confused so was wondering if anyone more knowledgeable to 
give me some insight.

Cheers
James

James T wrote:

> Evening Ladies and Gents,
> 
> I'm planning to go from Leeds - Doncaster, I'm wanting to travel 
> partially by Hull Trains as I've yet to experience their new fleet, and 
> National Rail Enquiries is allowing me to route Selby. One of the other 
> routes it allows is Route York, which I didn't think was allowed. I 
> checked with Clive's online routing engine which only gives me route 
> Wakefield Westgate, or several routes involving Bradford or Warrington! 
> National Rail try to sell me a standard day return at 7.80.
> 
> I'm a little confused so was wondering if anyone more knowledgeable to 
> give me some insight.


The online planners are notorious for suggesting routes that aren't 
actually valid.  The routeing guide says that the only valid map is PN 
and that, as you discovered with Clive's site, won't allow you to do the 
journey you want.  Sorry.

James T wrote:


> I'm planning to go from Leeds - Doncaster, I'm wanting to travel 
> partially by Hull Trains as I've yet to experience their new fleet, and 
> National Rail Enquiries is allowing me to route Selby. One of the other 
> routes it allows is Route York, which I didn't think was allowed. I 
> checked with Clive's online routing engine which only gives me route 
> Wakefield Westgate, or several routes involving Bradford or Warrington! 
> National Rail try to sell me a standard day return at 7.80.


The only valid routes from Leeds to Doncaster go through Wakefield.

If you look up the tickets on Qjump, you can find out that all tickets
available are routed "any permitted" - ie, shortest route, direct
train and mapped routes.

Clearly, shortest and direct don't produce anything other than
straight through Wakefield.

Mapped routes are on map PN:
http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing%20Guide/maps/map%20graphics/Map%20PN.jpg,
which does indeed make a route via Warrington possible!

The only way to sample a Hull Train service on this route is to go
Leeds - Selby - Howden - Gilberdyke - Goole - Pontefract - Wakefield -
Doncaster.

In this direction, you can do 1438 Leeds, 1525 Selby, 1651 Howden
(long wait there), 1713 Gilberdyke, 1849 Goole (long wait there too),
2127 Pontefract Monkhill (another long wait), 2254 Wakefield Westgate
(and another), arriving in Doncaster at 2326.

There is no way to do the route in reverse now that Pontefract to
Goole runs just once daily in that direction.

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Stevie D wrote:

> James T wrote:
> 
>>I'm planning to go from Leeds - Doncaster, I'm wanting to travel 
>>partially by Hull Trains as I've yet to experience their new fleet, and 
>>National Rail Enquiries is allowing me to route Selby. One of the other 
>>routes it allows is Route York, which I didn't think was allowed. I 
>>checked with Clive's online routing engine which only gives me route 
>>Wakefield Westgate, or several routes involving Bradford or Warrington! 
>>National Rail try to sell me a standard day return at 7.80.
> 
> The only valid routes from Leeds to Doncaster go through Wakefield.


If the OP was to print off the Leeds-Selby/York-Doncaster journey from 
the National Rail website and attempted to undertake it with his 
Leeds-Doncaster ticket, how successful would the "National Rail gave me 
this journey, surely it must be right" defence if challenged by a gripper?

Mark Morton wrote:


> If the OP was to print off the Leeds-Selby/York-Doncaster journey from 
> the National Rail website and attempted to undertake it with his 
> Leeds-Doncaster ticket, how successful would the "National Rail gave me 
> this journey, surely it must be right" defence if challenged by a gripper?


(i) The OP would be more likely to get away with that than with my
suggested valid route ;-)

(ii) I would have said "no defence", but I'm not sure now. ISTR the
old NRES site did explain that routes produced might not be valid, but
the new one definitely implies that they _will_ be OK.

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