Hi All

Somebody mentioned on the NG recently that the 110 volt safety(?) 
regulations re power tools were being changed by the EEC?

Anyone got any details?  Selling pressure washers to the hire trade all day 
long, I'd love it if I never saw a 110volt machine again!

Dave

david lang has brought this to us :

> Somebody mentioned on the NG recently that the 110 volt safety(?) regulations 
> re power tools were being changed by the EEC?


I have heard similar, plus the fact that it is already in effect. You 
can use mains voltage on site at the discreation of the person/company 
in charge of the site - was roughly what I think I read.

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> david lang has brought this to us :
>> Somebody mentioned on the NG recently that the 110 volt safety(?)
>> regulations re power tools were being changed by the EEC?
> 
> I have heard similar, plus the fact that it is already in effect. You 
> can use mains voltage on site at the discreation of the person/company 
> in charge of the site - was roughly what I think I read.
> 


The EEC doesn't exist.

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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:58:24 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:


> david lang has brought this to us :
>> Somebody mentioned on the NG recently that the 110 volt safety(?) regulations 
>> re power tools were being changed by the EEC?
> 
> I have heard similar, plus the fact that it is already in effect. You 
> can use mains voltage on site at the discreation of the person/company 
> in charge of the site - was roughly what I think I read.


I'm not sure, but I think that many European countries have never enforced
the use of 110V equipment, preferring mains voltage tools on site, as long
as RCD protection is provided.

Steve W

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.0d627d59b3b65f78.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> david lang has brought this to us :
>> Somebody mentioned on the NG recently that the 110 volt safety(?)
>> regulations re power tools were being changed by the EEC?
> 
> I have heard similar, plus the fact that it is already in effect. You 
> can use mains voltage on site at the discreation of the person/company 
> in charge of the site - was roughly what I think I read.
> 


The EEC doesn't exist.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

In article ,
	Steve W  writes:

>
>I'm not sure, but I think that many European countries have never enforced
>the use of 110V equipment, preferring mains voltage tools on site, as long
>as RCD protection is provided.


AFAIK, it was UK-only.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel

Steve W wrote:


> I'm not sure, but I think that many European countries have never
> enforced the use of 110V equipment, preferring mains voltage tools on
> site, as long as RCD protection is provided.


I work for a multinational pressure washer manufacturer (not the yellow 
one!) and we only build 110v for the UK, the rest of Europe seems happy with 
either 230v or 415v.  110v is a right PITA for pressure washers, that's why 
I was hoping it was coming to an end!

Dave

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.0d627d59b3b65f78.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> david lang has brought this to us :
>> Somebody mentioned on the NG recently that the 110 volt safety(?)
>> regulations re power tools were being changed by the EEC?
> 
> I have heard similar, plus the fact that it is already in effect. You 
> can use mains voltage on site at the discreation of the person/company 
> in charge of the site - was roughly what I think I read.
> 


The EEC doesn't exist.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.0d627d59b3b65f78.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> david lang has brought this to us :
>> Somebody mentioned on the NG recently that the 110 volt safety(?)
>> regulations re power tools were being changed by the EEC?
> 
> I have heard similar, plus the fact that it is already in effect. You 
> can use mains voltage on site at the discreation of the person/company 
> in charge of the site - was roughly what I think I read.
> 


The EEC doesn't exist.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

david lang wrote:

> Steve W wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure, but I think that many European countries have never
> > enforced the use of 110V equipment, preferring mains voltage tools on
> > site, as long as RCD protection is provided.
>
> I work for a multinational pressure washer manufacturer (not the yellow
> one!) and we only build 110v for the UK, the rest of Europe seems happy with
> either 230v or 415v.  110v is a right PITA for pressure washers, that's why
> I was hoping it was coming to an end!
>


So what other safety related legislation are your employers in
ignorance of?

MBQ

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news:1125667222.928212.91150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
> david lang wrote:
>> Steve W wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not sure, but I think that many European countries have never
>> > enforced the use of 110V equipment, preferring mains voltage tools on
>> > site, as long as RCD protection is provided.
>>
>> I work for a multinational pressure washer manufacturer (not the yellow
>> one!) and we only build 110v for the UK, the rest of Europe seems happy 
>> with
>> either 230v or 415v.  110v is a right PITA for pressure washers, that's 
>> why
>> I was hoping it was coming to an end!
>>
>
> So what other safety related legislation are your employers in
> ignorance of?
>


Just interested - which safety legislation are you assuming they are already 
ignorant of? It seems from dl's remarks that they are conversant with all 
the safety legislation in each country and obey it  - or did I miss 
something?

Bob Mannix

"Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
in news:mn.0d627d59b3b65f78.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 


> david lang has brought this to us :
>> Somebody mentioned on the NG recently that the 110 volt safety(?)
>> regulations re power tools were being changed by the EEC?
> 
> I have heard similar, plus the fact that it is already in effect. You 
> can use mains voltage on site at the discreation of the person/company 
> in charge of the site - was roughly what I think I read.
> 


The EEC doesn't exist.

-- 
Phil Kyle  
Uno
Dos
Tres
Cuatro
CINCO!!!!!!

"Be very aware that my willingness 
to continue to criticise your sig 
is infinite." -- Neil Barker

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:33:34 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Kyle
 wrote:

| "Harry Bloomfield"  verbally sodomised 
| in news:mn.0d627d59b3b65f78.8412@tiscali.co.uk: 
| 
| > david lang has brought this to us :
| >> Somebody mentioned on the NG recently that the 110 volt safety(?)
| >> regulations re power tools were being changed by the EEC?
| > 
| > I have heard similar, plus the fact that it is already in effect. You 
| > can use mains voltage on site at the discreation of the person/company 
| > in charge of the site - was roughly what I think I read.
| > 
| 
| The EEC doesn't exist.

OMG a troll who keeps up with the news.

And in a typical troll way extends the ng line to
<uk.rec.driving,uk.radio.amateur,uk.rec.caravanning,uk.rec.motorcycles,demon.local,uk.d-i-y>
Excess ngs removed.


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In article <InXRe.494$pm2.74@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
	"david lang"  writes:

>Steve W wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure, but I think that many European countries have never
>> enforced the use of 110V equipment, preferring mains voltage tools on
>> site, as long as RCD protection is provided.
>
>I work for a multinational pressure washer manufacturer (not the yellow 
>one!) and we only build 110v for the UK, the rest of Europe seems happy with 
>either 230v or 415v.  110v is a right PITA for pressure washers, that's why 
>I was hoping it was coming to an end!


I doubt it will. All that happened is that 230V is now allowed.
In practice, I suspect you'll find most construction sites are
still all 110V only. Maybe when whole Polish construction teams
start coming over with all their own kit...

-- 
Andrew Gabriel

manatbandq@hotmail.com wrote:


> So what other safety related legislation are your employers in
> ignorance of?


Many probably, the bean counters have made so many cutbacks, there aren't 
enough staff left to do anything properly and the modern myth that 
"knowledge of the industry doesn't matter, management is management" means 
that those at the top don't have a facking clue.

My current boss came into the company 2 years ago from a completely 
different industry, has been to the UK 3 times and was born about the same 
time I got into the business.  He is now in charge of policy for the UK.

Rant over - thanks for asking the question.

Dave

In article <43186101$0$38041$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
   Andrew Gabriel  wrote:

> I doubt it will. All that happened is that 230V is now allowed.
> In practice, I suspect you'll find most construction sites are
> still all 110V only.


Some say it cuts down on things like extension leads getting nicked. Tools
too, possibly.

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Bob Mannix wrote:

>  wrote in message
> news:1125667222.928212.91150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > david lang wrote:
> >> Steve W wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'm not sure, but I think that many European countries have never
> >> > enforced the use of 110V equipment, preferring mains voltage tools on
> >> > site, as long as RCD protection is provided.
> >>
> >> I work for a multinational pressure washer manufacturer (not the yellow
> >> one!) and we only build 110v for the UK, the rest of Europe seems happy
> >> with
> >> either 230v or 415v.  110v is a right PITA for pressure washers, that's
> >> why
> >> I was hoping it was coming to an end!
> >>
> >
> > So what other safety related legislation are your employers in
> > ignorance of?
> >
>
> Just interested - which safety legislation are you assuming they are already
> ignorant of? It seems from dl's remarks that they are conversant with all
> the safety legislation in each country and obey it  - or did I miss
> something?
>
> Bob Mannix


They don't seem to know that 110V tools are no longer mandatory. At
least that's how I read it.

MBQ

In article ,
    wrote:

> > > So what other safety related legislation are your employers in
> > > ignorance of?

> > Just interested - which safety legislation are you assuming they are
> > already ignorant of? It seems from dl's remarks that they are
> > conversant with all the safety legislation in each country and obey it
> >  - or did I miss something?

> > Bob Mannix

> They don't seem to know that 110V tools are no longer mandatory. At
> least that's how I read it.


They sell the things - not use them on site. And will probably continue to
supply them while the demand exists. Just because something no longer is
mandatory doesn't mean some won't stick with the old system.

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"Dave Plowman (News)"  writes:

>In article <43186101$0$38041$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
>   Andrew Gabriel  wrote:
>> I doubt it will. All that happened is that 230V is now allowed.
>> In practice, I suspect you'll find most construction sites are
>> still all 110V only.
>
>Some say it cuts down on things like extension leads getting nicked. Tools
>too, possibly.


Naah. It just means the 110V transformers get nicked, too.


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Huge wrote:


> Naah. It just means the 110V transformers get nicked, too.


At least they will slow em down when they are legging it!

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article ,
>     wrote:
> > > > So what other safety related legislation are your employers in
> > > > ignorance of?
>
> > > Just interested - which safety legislation are you assuming they are
> > > already ignorant of? It seems from dl's remarks that they are
> > > conversant with all the safety legislation in each country and obey it
> > >  - or did I miss something?
>
> > > Bob Mannix
>
> > They don't seem to know that 110V tools are no longer mandatory. At
> > least that's how I read it.
>
> They sell the things - not use them on site. And will probably continue to


They don't just sell them, they are a mulitinational maunfacturer who I
would expect to keep abreast of legislation. My question was what other
safety related legislation are they ignorant of?


> supply them while the demand exists. Just because something no longer is
> mandatory doesn't mean some won't stick with the old system.


Fine, but if the legislation went the other way it's perfectly OK to
continue manufacturing and selling something that is outlawed (but the
manufacturer is ignorant of that fact) to unsuspecting punters, so long
as the demand exists?

MBQ