Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under 
their own power, but not recently it seems.

Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
Adrian

"Adrian B"  wrote in message 
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> Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under 
> their own power, but not recently it seems.
>
> Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
> Adrian

I suspect its something to do with hire charges for the 325's and probably 
paying a good premium for a powered 325. Dragging them dead probably is 
written in the hire contract as minimal charge, as would be the track access 
charge. The 87 charges are currently on very preferential terms since 
Porterbrook wanted to off-load them quickly.

In article <4316c6cd.0@entanet>,
   Adrian B  wrote:

> Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under 
> their own power, but not recently it seems.


From my observation as the train passes the house it is more often run as
an EMU than loco hauled, even now.



> Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.


-- 
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Adrian B wrote:

> Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under 
> their own power, but not recently it seems.
> 
> Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
> Adrian 
> 
> 


The 87s act as thunderbirds but are used on Friday (north) and Monday 
(south) to refresh crew knowledge.

Andrew Bell wrote:

> Adrian B wrote:
> > Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under
> > their own power, but not recently it seems.
> >
> > Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
> > Adrian
> >
> >
>
> The 87s act as thunderbirds but are used on Friday (north) and Monday
> (south) to refresh crew knowledge.


Northbound train was dragged by loco on Wednesday night but failed at
Rugby causing two hours delay.

Adrian B wrote:

> Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under
> their own power, but not recently it seems.
>
> Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
> Adrian


I think it is for class 87 crew training or crew refreshing without the
need to use a separate pathway or special working.


--
Nick

It is to take the 87 as a rescue loco at Warrington or Scotland at 
weekends/as needed.


"D7666"  wrote in message 
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>
> Adrian B wrote:
>> Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under
>> their own power, but not recently it seems.
>>
>> Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
>> Adrian
>
> I think it is for class 87 crew training or crew refreshing without the
> need to use a separate pathway or special working.
>
>
> --
> Nick
> 

Adrian B wrote:

> Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under 
> their own power, but not recently it seems.
> 
> Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
> Adrian 


A friend suggested to me that this is because, as hauled stock they have 
a higher top speed than their own traction equipment can provide 
(something like they are good for 100 under their own power, but an 87 
can haul them at 110).

Robin

R.C. Payne wrote:

> Adrian B wrote:
> > Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under
> > their own power, but not recently it seems.
> >
> > Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
> > Adrian
>
> A friend suggested to me that this is because, as hauled stock they have
> a higher top speed than their own traction equipment can provide
> (something like they are good for 100 under their own power, but an 87
> can haul them at 110).
>
> Robin


I think you will find that max. speed is 100mph weather under own power
or being hauled.

R.C. Payne wrote:

> Adrian B wrote:
> > Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently under
> > their own power, but not recently it seems.
> >
> > Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
> > Adrian
>
> A friend suggested to me that this is because, as hauled stock they have
> a higher top speed than their own traction equipment can provide
> (something like they are good for 100 under their own power, but an 87
> can haul them at 110).
>
> Robin


I think you will find that max. speed is 100mph weather under own power
or being hauled.

R.C. Payne wrote:

> Adrian B wrote:
> 
>> Why do GBRf put an 87 on the front of EMUs? They have run recently 
>> under their own power, but not recently it seems.
>>
>> Just wondered - I'm sure there is a good reason.
>> Adrian 
> 
> A friend suggested to me that this is because, as hauled stock they have 
> a higher top speed than their own traction equipment can provide 
> (something like they are good for 100 under their own power, but an 87 
> can haul them at 110).


And presumably on a Friday night the driver wants to get to Shieldmuir 
quicker so that he can knock off earlier ;)

eat

(comments about there being no difference in speed limit noted)

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"Andrew Bell"  wrote in message news:_MFRe.100408

> The 87s act as thunderbirds but are used on Friday (north) and Monday 
> (south) to refresh crew knowledge.


That explains it. I see them on a Friday...