Hi,

Can anyone tell me where I can get the smallest amount of fire
resistant paint, that apparently comes with a certificate ( maybe
certification ) that it's fire resistant? My local BCO wants this from
me to sign off some work we've had done here. He says he's happy just
to see the certification and we can apply the actual paint whenever, as
there's some other work we'd like to do before this is finalised. Any
suggestions would be really appreciated, thanks!
--
Dave

On 30 Aug 2005 09:33:11 -0700, "Dave Jennings" 
wrote:


>Hi,
>
>Can anyone tell me where I can get the smallest amount of fire
>resistant paint, that apparently comes with a certificate ( maybe
>certification ) that it's fire resistant? My local BCO wants this from
>me to sign off some work we've had done here. He says he's happy just
>to see the certification and we can apply the actual paint whenever, as
>there's some other work we'd like to do before this is finalised. Any
>suggestions would be really appreciated, thanks!


There are some datasheets on paint manufacturer's websites such as:

<http://www.johnstones-paints.co.uk/site/johnstones.asp?categoryID=&pageID=&pageType=product&groupID=14&brandID=3>

Worth a try.

DG

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:33:11 +0100, Dave Jennings   
wrote:


> Can anyone tell me where I can get the smallest amount of fire
> resistant paint, that apparently comes with a certificate ( maybe
> certification ) that it's fire resistant? My local BCO wants this from
> me to sign off some work we've had done here. He says he's happy just
> to see the certification and we can apply the actual paint whenever, as
> there's some other work we'd like to do before this is finalised. Any
> suggestions would be really appreciated, thanks!


I do hope that the paint was applied to a clean substrate, not old paint.  
This was one of the contributory factor to the Kings Cross tragedy. The  
fireproof paint in the escalator shafts was simply painted over several  
layers of ordinary paint, negating its usefulness. Like most accidents,  
there were a number of small factors which, in isolation, would not have  
been nearly as serious. All of them together amounted to a sum greater  
than the parts.

Fire resistant paints are normally certificated by a third party, often  
the BRE.

http://www.bre.co.uk/

The Red Books contain their list of approved products. I believe they are  
rather expensive.

John Schmitt

http://www.envirograf.com/ supply paint and certificates etc. We found
their  rep helpful. Some paints need clean substrate others not.

cheers

Jacob

jacob@jpbutler.demon.co.uk wrote:

> http://www.envirograf.com/ supply paint and certificates etc. We found
> their  rep helpful. 


Many thanks Jacob!
-- 
Dave Jennings

John Schmitt wrote:

> http://www.bre.co.uk/


Thanks John,

Yes, they were all applied to clean substrates - new doors in fact, so
perfect candidates. That's interesting reading on the effect omitting
this had on the fire.
-- 
Dave Jennings

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:24:42 +0100, Dave Jennings   
wrote:


> Yes, they were all applied to clean substrates - new doors in fact, so
> perfect candidates. That's interesting reading on the effect omitting
> this had on the fire.


While fire resistant paints normally intumesce using a "blowing" agent to  
provide an insulating layer, ordinary paints give off flammable vapours  
below the point at which wood ignites (ever done any paint stripping?)  
There were many contributory factors, the accumulated grease and fluff at  
the base of the escalator, the wooden construction of the escalator  
treads, the paint, the slope of the shaft providing draught and probably  
the trains below providing air by piston effect. Worst of all 20 minutes  
after the fire alarms sounded there were still members of the public in  
the station. You will find that LU staff have sharpened up their  
evacuation technique, and after 7/7 I expect that they are even more eager  
to clear stations in emergencies. The Police and Fire Brigade were of  
course doomed by virtue of what they were doing (and had no knowledge of  
the impending flashover), but had the station been properly evacuated the  
death toll would have been lower.

I am a fire warden at work and turn into a "right little Hitler" as I have  
been described when the fire alarm goes off.

John Schmitt

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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:36:34 UTC, "John Schmitt"  
wrote:


> I am a fire warden at work and turn into a "right little Hitler" as I have  
> been described when the fire alarm goes off.


Quite right too!

For years I was in charge of fire safety in a student residence of about
500 people. I ran random fire drills (as per requirements). I did one at
about 9 p.m., and when the building was checked I found four people 
eating their dinner. They said they'd leave the building when they'd 
finished!

(they weren't dead, but by the time I'd finished with them they were 
quite a bit poorer as I was able to levy fines)

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