We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a 
hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.

Neatly dug, about 3" diameter.  We assumed it was rats and have put down 
three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.

A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place.  Never seen 
anything moving day or night.

Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the 
little perishers?

Dave

"david lang"  wrote in message
news:zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a
> hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.
>
> Neatly dug, about 3" diameter.  We assumed it was rats and have put down
> three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.
>
> A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place.  Never
seen
> anything moving day or night.
>
> Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the
> little perishers?


Sounds like a mole to me.
One sign from any moles I've had is that the soil the mole leaves is
excellent quality. i.e.very fine.

In article <zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk says...

> We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a 
> hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.
> 
> Neatly dug, about 3" diameter.  We assumed it was rats and have put down 
> three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.
> 
> A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place.  Never seen 
> anything moving day or night.
> 
> Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the 
> little perishers?
> 

Why, what harm is it doing?

"Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.1d7ec7a8d4557ed39896cb@news.individual.net...

> In article <zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk says...
>> We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed 
>> a
>> hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.
>>
>> Neatly dug, about 3" diameter.  We assumed it was rats and have put down
>> three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.
>>
>> A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place.  Never 
>> seen
>> anything moving day or night.
>>
>> Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of 
>> the
>> little perishers?
>>
> Why, what harm is it doing?


:-)

Mary

"david lang"  wrote in message 
news:zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a 
> hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.
>
> Neatly dug, about 3" diameter.  We assumed it was rats and have put down 
> three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.
>
> A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place.  Never 
> seen anything moving day or night.
>
> Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the 
> little perishers?
>
> Dave
>
>


How about sending a small motorised 4 wheel vehicle down the hole with an 
appropriately sized camera mounted on it? Just like the one they used in the 
pyramids?

I'm sure some of the guys here will offer advice in how to assemble such a 
thing.

Or perhaps dangle a fishing rod down it with some scrummy bait on the end?

Rob Morley  writes:

>In article <zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
>davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk says...
>> We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a 
>> hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.
>> 
>> Neatly dug, about 3" diameter.  We assumed it was rats and have put down 
>> three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.
>> 
>> A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place.  Never seen 
>> anything moving day or night.
>> 
>> Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the 
>> little perishers?
>> 
>Why, what harm is it doing?


Perhaps he doesn't want Weil's Disease?

-- 
       "The road to Paradise is through Intercourse."
        [email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk]

"RedOnRed"  wrote in message 
news:df2efg$k5g$1@news.freedom2surf.net...

>
> "david lang"  wrote in message 
> news:zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed 
>> a hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.
>>
>> Neatly dug, about 3" diameter.  We assumed it was rats and have put down 
>> three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.
>>
>> A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place.  Never

>>
>
> How about sending a small motorised 4 wheel vehicle down the hole with an 
> appropriately sized camera mounted on it? Just like the one they used in 
> the pyramids?


Easier than that, put a PIR detector out on the patio, connect to a camera 
with flash to capture whatever it is.

In message <df2efg$k5g$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, RedOnRed  
writes

>
>"david lang"  wrote in message
>news:zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed a
>> hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.
>>
>> Neatly dug, about 3" diameter.  We assumed it was rats and have put down
>> three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.
>>
>> A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place.  Never
>> seen anything moving day or night.
>>
>> Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the
>> little perishers?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>
>How about sending a small motorised 4 wheel vehicle down the hole with an
>appropriately sized camera mounted on it? Just like the one they used in the
>pyramids?
>
>I'm sure some of the guys here will offer advice in how to assemble such a
>thing.
>

Ooh - built one of those years ago for a drainage company in Germany

.... but it was years ago

-- 
geoff

"Huge"  wrote in message 
news:df2gu2$jl7$1@anubis.demon.co.uk...

> Rob Morley  writes:
>>In article <zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>>davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk says...
>>> We've got a raised bed at the end of the patio and have recently noticed 
>>> a
>>> hole/tunnel/burrow at one end.
>>>
>>> Neatly dug, about 3" diameter.  We assumed it was rats and have put down
>>> three lots of poison, which disappeared and we closed the hole.
>>>
>>> A few weeks later another one has appeared in a different place.  Never 
>>> seen
>>> anything moving day or night.
>>>
>>> Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of 
>>> the
>>> little perishers?
>>>
>>Why, what harm is it doing?
>
> Perhaps he doesn't want Weil's Disease?


Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're never 
morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely to contract 
Weils under normal circumstances.

>

Huge wrote:


> Perhaps he doesn't want Weil's Disease?


Not with a 3 year old granddaughter playing near it.

Dave

> Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're 
> never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely to 
> contract Weils under normal circumstances.
>>


You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated 
water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.

In article <zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, david lang
<URL:mailto:davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:


> Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of the 
> little perishers?


Why? What harm are they doing to you?

-- 
AJL

In article <df3k6t$v5e$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, RedOnRed
<URL:mailto:123@abc.net> wrote:

>
> You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated 
> water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly. 


You can contract hepatitis simply by exposing a cut or graze to it. Is that
an excuse to go round murdering humans?

-- 
AJL

In article <df2gu2$jl7$1@anubis.demon.co.uk>, Huge
<URL:mailto:huge@ukmisc.org.uk> wrote:

 

> Perhaps he doesn't want Weil's Disease?


A little paranoid if that's true? I'm sure wildlife wouldn't want some of
the diseases that humans carry.
 

-- 
AJL

In article <QW5Re.63985$Il.24968@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, david lang
<URL:mailto:davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Huge wrote:
 
> > Perhaps he doesn't want Weil's Disease?
> 
> Not with a 3 year old granddaughter playing near it.


Perhaps just another layer of cotton wool then?

-- 
AJL

"RedOnRed"  wrote in message 
news:df3k6t$v5e$1@news.freedom2surf.net...

>> Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're 
>> never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely to 
>> contract Weils under normal circumstances.
>>>
>
> You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated 
> water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.


That's almost the only way you'll get infected - not from having rats in 
your garden.

We all have rats living very close to us. How many other people do you know 
who have contracted Weils?

Mary

>
> 

"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)"  wrote in message 
news:ant3107091cbdVpW@office.ajlelectronics.co.uk...

> In article <zn%Qe.62377$Il.19058@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, david lang
> <URL:mailto:davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Is this likely to be rats or something else - and how do we get rid of 
>> the
>> little perishers?
>
> Why? What harm are they doing to you?


None. But, Andy, you must remember that some big strong men are terrified of 
little things with long tails. Sometimes I think the bigger the man the more 
irrational they are. And the smaller the creature the greater the effect on 
those big strong men.

Mary

>
> -- 
> AJL 

"Mary Fisher"  wrote:


>"RedOnRed"  wrote in message 
>news:df3k6t$v5e$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>>> Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're 
>>> never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely to 
>>> contract Weils under normal circumstances.
>>>>
>> You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated 
>> water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.
>
>That's almost the only way you'll get infected - not from having rats in 
>your garden.


Not true, ANY exposure to rat urine can be enough.  Just the kind of
thing someone working in a garden or children clambering around the
place could easily encounter.


>We all have rats living very close to us. How many other people do you know 
>who have contracted Weils?


Two over a period of 20 years, neither contracted it from water and
although this was in an industrial location (pulling in cables in
underground ducts) the circumstances were similar to those encountered
in a domestic situation as mentioned above. Oh and one of the above
only in his 40's never worked again, the other who was much younger
was ok.

The only good rat is a dead one.


--

Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:


>>Not with a 3 year old granddaughter playing near it.
> Perhaps just another layer of cotton wool then?


:)

Point well made.

how do all those small kids survive in more hostile environments 
like.... Australia!

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"Matt"  wrote in message 
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> "Mary Fisher"  wrote:
>
>>"RedOnRed"  wrote in message
>>news:df3k6t$v5e$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>>>> Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're
>>>> never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely 
>>>> to
>>>> contract Weils under normal circumstances.
>>>>>
>>> You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated
>>> water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.
>>
>>That's almost the only way you'll get infected - not from having rats in
>>your garden.
>
> Not true, ANY exposure to rat urine can be enough.  Just the kind of
> thing someone working in a garden or children clambering around the
> place could easily encounter.


Well, as someone said, another layer of cotton wool should cope with that. 
Or keeping the little darlings indoors where everything is100% safe.

>
>>We all have rats living very close to us. How many other people do you 
>>know
>>who have contracted Weils?
>
> Two over a period of 20 years, neither contracted it from water and
> although this was in an industrial location (pulling in cables in
> underground ducts) the circumstances were similar to those encountered
> in a domestic situation as mentioned above. Oh and one of the above
> only in his 40's never worked again, the other who was much younger
> was ok.
>
> The only good rat is a dead one.


So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country? It's estimated 
that there are as many rats as people.

You know of two cases of Weils in twenty years. How many r ts do you think 
have lived and died in that time?

Cats and dogs carry diseases and we're much closer to those ...



>
> -- 

Rusty wrote:


> Easier than that, put a PIR detector out on the patio, connect to a camera 
> with flash to capture whatever it is.


For some reason I have the vision of the Jasper Carrott sketch featuring 
an office stool, a shotgun and a torch.


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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:03:57 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
 wrote:


>>
>> Why? What harm are they doing to you?
>
>None. But, Andy, you must remember that some big strong men are terrified of 
>little things with long tails. Sometimes I think the bigger the man the more 
>irrational they are. And the smaller the creature the greater the effect on 
>those big strong men.


I agree. I am particularly terrified of smaller beasts. Every time I
see a mouse I jump onto the nearest table and scream continuously
until it has gone. By that time I am shaking and sobbing
uncontrollably. With spiders I am even worse. Once I was using a
chainsaw and I saw a small spider...I dropped the saw and cut my leg
off.

Mr F.

"Mr Fizzion" <wankel@rotary.engine> wrote in message 
news:lhfbh11mmetb8ojeb4p6t5npv8ukie774h@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:03:57 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
>  wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Why? What harm are they doing to you?
>>
>>None. But, Andy, you must remember that some big strong men are terrified 
>>of
>>little things with long tails. Sometimes I think the bigger the man the 
>>more
>>irrational they are. And the smaller the creature the greater the effect 
>>on
>>those big strong men.
>
> I agree. I am particularly terrified of smaller beasts. Every time I
> see a mouse I jump onto the nearest table and scream continuously
> until it has gone. By that time I am shaking and sobbing
> uncontrollably. With spiders I am even worse. Once I was using a
> chainsaw and I saw a small spider...I dropped the saw and cut my leg
> off.


Oh poor baby :-)

Well at least you had another one.

Mrs F

>
> Mr F.
> 

Rob Morley wrote:


> Why, what harm is it doing?


None - yet, I just don't want the little b&stards running around on my patio 
univited.

Since I'm bigger than they are and further up the food chain, they don't 
have to do any harm - I just don't want them about.

Dave

In message <4315b8d6$0$12562$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary 
Fisher  writes

>
>"Matt"  wrote in message
>news:nt6bh1hv833i2ii9m8lljljm60s4ij4tq9@4ax.com...
>> "Mary Fisher"  wrote:
>>
>>>"RedOnRed"  wrote in message
>>>news:df3k6t$v5e$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>>>>> Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.You're
>>>>> never morethan a few yards (or metres) from rats. You're very unlikely
>>>>> to
>>>>> contract Weils under normal circumstances.
>>>>>>
>>>> You can contract Weils simply by exposing a cut or graze in contaminated
>>>> water. I heard of a canoeist who did just that...he died fairly quickly.
>>>
>>>That's almost the only way you'll get infected - not from having rats in
>>>your garden.
>>
>> Not true, ANY exposure to rat urine can be enough.  Just the kind of
>> thing someone working in a garden or children clambering around the
>> place could easily encounter.
>
>Well, as someone said, another layer of cotton wool should cope with that.
>Or keeping the little darlings indoors where everything is100% safe.
>>
>>>We all have rats living very close to us. How many other people do you
>>>know
>>>who have contracted Weils?
>>
>> Two over a period of 20 years, neither contracted it from water and
>> although this was in an industrial location (pulling in cables in
>> underground ducts) the circumstances were similar to those encountered
>> in a domestic situation as mentioned above. Oh and one of the above
>> only in his 40's never worked again, the other who was much younger
>> was ok.
>>
>> The only good rat is a dead one.
>
>So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country?


Well, we could teach you to play the flute ...


-- 
geoff

"raden"  wrote in message 
news:FWhKp9TIigFDFweL@ntlworld.com...


>>>
>>> The only good rat is a dead one.
>>
>>So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country?
>
> Well, we could teach you to play the flute ...


Will it surprise you to knowthat I already can?

But I don't have a parti-coloured red and yellow suit ...

Mary

>
>
> -- 
> geoff 

"david lang"  wrote in message 
news:GvnRe.46119$jr4.38007@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Rob Morley wrote:
>
>> Why, what harm is it doing?
>
> None - yet, I just don't want the little b&stards running around on my 
> patio univited.
>
> Since I'm bigger than they are and further up the food chain, they don't 
> have to do any harm - I just don't want them about.


Tell them then. Put up a notice.

But your mention of the food chain bothers me - dop you eat rat? Or anything 
which does?

Mary

>
> Dave
>
> 

Mary Fisher wrote:


> Tell them then. Put up a notice.


Too stupid to read probably.


> But your mention of the food chain bothers me - dop you eat rat? Or
> anything which does?


Interesting point - do rats have natural predators - apart from me that is?

Dave

Mary Fisher wrote:

> Will it surprise you to know that I already can?


I'm sure you have superb tongue technique ...


> But I don't have a parti-coloured red and yellow suit ...


.... and Spouse is hunched over his Bernina making you one as a reward.

Owain

In message <43160d01$0$23043$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary 
Fisher  writes

>
>"raden"  wrote in message
>news:FWhKp9TIigFDFweL@ntlworld.com...
>
>>>>
>>>> The only good rat is a dead one.
>>>
>>>So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country?
>>
>> Well, we could teach you to play the flute ...
>
>Will it surprise you to knowthat I already can?
>
>But I don't have a parti-coloured red and yellow suit ...
>

.... But we all know of your skills with a sewing machine, you have no 
excuse

-- 
geoff

In message <GvnRe.46119$jr4.38007@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, david lang 
 writes

>Rob Morley wrote:
>
>> Why, what harm is it doing?
>
>None - yet, I just don't want the little b&stards running around on my patio
>univited.
>
>Since I'm bigger than they are and further up the food chain, they don't
>have to do any harm - I just don't want them about.
>

America constantly makes that sort of  mistake

-- 
geoff

"Owain"  wrote in message 
news:1125523542.83402.3@doris.uk.clara.net...

> Mary Fisher wrote:
>> Will it surprise you to know that I already can?
>
> I'm sure you have superb tongue technique ...


Oh yes, it's notorious.

>
>> But I don't have a parti-coloured red and yellow suit ...
>
> ... and Spouse is hunched over his Bernina making you one as a reward.


No, it wouldn't suit me. I'm absolutely the wrong shape.

But we did buy some patent leather today ...

:-)

Mary

>
> Owain
> 

"raden"  wrote in message 
news:gf6Tbn+kRiFDFwas@ntlworld.com...

> In message <43160d01$0$23043$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary Fisher 
>  writes
>>
>>"raden"  wrote in message
>>news:FWhKp9TIigFDFweL@ntlworld.com...
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The only good rat is a dead one.
>>>>
>>>>So how do you propose killing all the rats in the country?
>>>
>>> Well, we could teach you to play the flute ...
>>
>>Will it surprise you to know that I already can?
>>
>>But I don't have a parti-coloured red and yellow suit ...
>>
> ... But we all know of your skills with a sewing machine, you have no 
> excuse


You're confused. My skill is with a needle, I never touch theBernina. Spouse 
is the one with the fancy machine.

Get it right - Owain did!

Mary

>
> -- 
> geoff 

"david lang"  wrote in message 
news:92pRe.46485$jr4.36863@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Mary Fisher wrote:
>
>> Tell them then. Put up a notice.
>
> Too stupid to read probably.
>
>> But your mention of the food chain bothers me - do you eat rat? Or
>> anything which does?
>
> Interesting point - do rats have natural predators - apart from me that 
> is?


No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?

We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher food 
chain.

Mary

>
> Dave
>
> 

Mary Fisher wrote:


> No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?
>
> We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
> food chain.


In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?  Since they 
have no positive points I can think of and more than a few negative points 
(black death etc) why don't we just eliminate the bastards?

Lets wipe them out!  I might start a one issue political party!!

Dave

"david lang"  wrote in message 
news:htLRe.1884$bi5.146@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Mary Fisher wrote:
>
>> No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?
>>
>> We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
>> food chain.
>
> In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?


er - what use is any creature - including Man?


> Since they have no positive points I can think of and more than a few 
> negative points (black death etc) why don't we just eliminate the 
> bastards?


How many people do you know who have suffered from Black Death? And there's 
even some doubt about the link with rats now.

>
> Lets wipe them out!  I might start a one issue political party!!


Go on then.

<yawn>

:-)

Mary

>
> Dave
>
> 

in 443569 20050902 094805 "Mary Fisher"  wrote:

>"david lang"  wrote in message
>news:htLRe.1884$bi5.146@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Mary Fisher wrote:
>>
>>> No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?
>>>
>>> We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
>>> food chain.
>>
>> In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?
>
>er - what use is any creature - including Man?



Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
wiping out every other species on the planet?

Bob Martin wrote:


> Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
> wiping out every other species on the planet?


Errrm.  Would it be............rats?

Dave

In article <glVRe.16658$x4.14893@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, 
bob.martin@excite.com says...

> in 443569 20050902 094805 "Mary Fisher"  wrote:
> >"david lang"  wrote in message
> >news:htLRe.1884$bi5.146@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> Mary Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >>> No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?
> >>>
> >>> We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
> >>> food chain.
> >>
> >> In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?
> >
> >er - what use is any creature - including Man?
> 
> 
> Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
> wiping out every other species on the planet?
> 

A primate whose capacity for technological advance outpaced its social 
development and ecological understanding - probably an evolutionary 
dead-end.

"Bob Martin"  wrote in message 
news:glVRe.16658$x4.14893@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...

> in 443569 20050902 094805 "Mary Fisher"  wrote:
>>"david lang"  wrote in message
>>news:htLRe.1884$bi5.146@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Mary Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>>> No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?
>>>>
>>>> We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
>>>> food chain.
>>>
>>> In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?
>>
>>er - what use is any creature - including Man?
>
>
> Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
> wiping out every other species on the planet?


I'm gald you said that.

It's not rats.

Mary

"Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.1d8256348496558698970f@news.individual.net...

> In article <glVRe.16658$x4.14893@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
> bob.martin@excite.com says...
>> in 443569 20050902 094805 "Mary Fisher"  wrote:
>> >"david lang"  wrote in message
>> >news:htLRe.1884$bi5.146@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> >> Mary Fisher wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> No idea. Predatory birds? Fox? Cats? Dogs?
>> >>>
>> >>> We don't eat any of those so they're not significant in the Fisher
>> >>> food chain.
>> >>
>> >> In fact, thinking on, what bloody use are rats to man or beast?
>> >
>> >er - what use is any creature - including Man?
>>
>>
>> Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
>> wiping out every other species on the planet?
>>
> A primate whose capacity for technological advance outpaced its social
> development and ecological understanding - probably an evolutionary
> dead-end.


I wish I could have said that!

Mary

Bob Martin  wrote:



>Which species is destroying the atmosphere, poisoning the oceans and
>wiping out every other species on the planet?


Americans


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