Hi All,

My daughters room is in the rear 'additrion' of our 1897
solid-9"-brick-walled 3 bed semi-terraced <g> cottage (therefore it
gets very cold in the winter and hot in the summer).

Her room has a single, largish, opening, dg window (east facing mostly
shaded by the house and next door, top hinged for fire escape) but
won't open it, even on vent because of 'creatures' getting in.

I have thought of making up a frame with some caravan type 'fly
netting' over it but using it with the roller blind that is within the
window reveal atm would be a bit akward to fit / use (and you can't
fit anything directly to the inner frame (as would secondary dg) or it
fouls the window handle).

So, I wondered if anone could think of a way of providing some sort of
fine mesh across, or inside the window reveal that would not get in
the way of the window opener handle at the bottom or restrict egress
in the event of a fire?

I don't think she could have hinged frame on the inner wall as there
would be no room to hinge it left or right because of the unit partly
in front of (under) the window. It can't slide up very far because the
room is partly (by a foot or so) in the rear addition roof (a sort of
45 deg corner on one side of the ceiling).

So maybe an internal mesh (on the inner wall) 'blind' that ran in
vertical guides or something (so creatures can't get past), could be
lifted up enough to open / close the window and be opened (ripped off)
completely to get out quickly if need be ..?

Any ideas please folks?

====<   fully opening dg window    >=====
    | ++++   existing blind  ++++  | wall
    |                              |
====                                =====



All the best ..

T i m

On 29 Aug 2005, T i m wrote


> Hi All,
> 
> My daughters room is in the rear 'additrion' of our 1897
> solid-9"-brick-walled 3 bed semi-terraced <g> cottage (therefore
> it gets very cold in the winter and hot in the summer).
> 
> Her room has a single, largish, opening, dg window (east facing
> mostly shaded by the house and next door, top hinged for fire
> escape) but won't open it, even on vent because of 'creatures'
> getting in. 
> 
> I have thought of making up a frame with some caravan type 'fly
> netting' over it but using it with the roller blind that is within
> the window reveal atm would be a bit akward to fit / use (and you
> can't fit anything directly to the inner frame (as would secondary
> dg) or it fouls the window handle).


Could you fit a fixed, netted frame to the exterior -- with 
sufficiently light fixings to allow it to be punched off if emergency 
access was needed?

Going external would solve the blind/handle problems;  just a thought.

-- 
Cheers,
Harvey

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:11:33 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
 wrote:



>> I have thought of making up a frame with some caravan type 'fly
>> netting' over it but using it with the roller blind that is within
>> the window reveal atm would be a bit akward to fit / use (and you
>> can't fit anything directly to the inner frame (as would secondary
>> dg) or it fouls the window handle).
>
>Could you fit a fixed, netted frame to the exterior -- with 
>sufficiently light fixings to allow it to be punched off if emergency 
>access was needed?
>
>Going external would solve the blind/handle problems;  just a thought.


See, I knew someone would come up with something (but not that fast)
;-)

Her window faces my neighbours PC room (and he chaperones her to rock
concerts so they are mates etc) and it wouldn't been seen by anyone
else so I can't see a problem there ..

Re the fastening .. if this box / frame was only attached at the top
and was allowed to swing it would simply kick up if the window was
opened more than usual ;-)

And internal solution would be 'easier / neater' but not as functional
as your solution (creatures can't even get into the window area
anytime!) ;-)

All the best .. and thanks again .. ;-)


T i m

T i m wrote:

> So, I wondered if anone could think of a way of providing some sort of
> fine mesh across, or inside the window reveal that would not get in
> the way of the window opener handle at the bottom or restrict egress
> in the event of a fire?


Almost anything short of weldmesh will be cuttable by the fire brigade - 
she isn't (hopefully) going to be trying to jump out of the window 
before they put a ladder up.

I think something like net curtain mesh, hemmed with tape and velcro 
dots, and corresponding velcro dots on the frame, would fit snugly 
enough to keep out beasties, but be easy enough to remove for 
manipulating the window latch. It wouldn't need to be rigid, so could be 
baggy enough to accommodate the latch handle etc.

Alternatively, put a rail over the bed and suspend a mozzie net curtain, 
could look quite feminine if done with appropriate frills and flounces, 
and she can draw the curtains round the bed during daytime and make a 
hidey-hole. Fire-retardent spray on the fabric might be sensible. (This 
is also a task that can be reverted to the Officer i/c Domestic Harmony 
in many cases.)

(Depending on age of the daughter, you have established that the 
'creatures' she is afraid of are corporeal, and not imaginary? It's a 
lot easier to banish the imaginary ones with a 'magic spell' than it is 
to get the carpentry tool-box out...)

Owain

In message , T i m 
 writes

>Hi All,
>
>My daughters room is in the rear 'additrion' of our 1897
>solid-9"-brick-walled 3 bed semi-terraced <g> cottage (therefore it
>gets very cold in the winter and hot in the summer).
>
>So maybe an internal mesh (on the inner wall) 'blind' that ran in
>vertical guides or something (so creatures can't get past), could be
>lifted up enough to open / close the window and be opened (ripped off)
>completely to get out quickly if need be ..?
>


Net curtain

Cheap and it works

-- 
geoff

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:00:16 GMT, T i m  wrote:



>
>So, I wondered if anone could think of a way of providing some sort of
>fine mesh across, or inside the window reveal that would not get in
>the way of the window opener handle at the bottom or restrict egress
>in the event of a fire?
>
>I don't think she could have hinged frame on the inner wall as there
>would be no room to hinge it left or right because of the unit partly
>in front of (under) the window. It can't slide up very far because the
>room is partly (by a foot or so) in the rear addition roof (a sort of
>45 deg corner on one side of the ceiling).
>
>So maybe an internal mesh (on the inner wall) 'blind' that ran in
>vertical guides or something (so creatures can't get past), could be
>lifted up enough to open / close the window and be opened (ripped off)
>completely to get out quickly if need be ..?
>
>Any ideas please folks?


Something in here?

http://www.flyscreensuk.co.uk/Windows.htm

Alternatively, I have seen roller blinds that run in vertical tracks
and which are typically used as blackout blinds in a room where a
projector etc. is to be used.  I wonder if one of these could be used
with fly screen material.







>
>====<   fully opening dg window    >=====
>    | ++++   existing blind  ++++  | wall
>    |                              |
>====                                =====
>
>
>
>All the best ..
>
>T i m
>
>
>


-- 

..andy

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"T i m"  wrote in message
news:2mv6h1hksbjh8rbv1mhh8g6c8bst9h57dc@4ax.com...

> Hi All,
>
> My daughters room is in the rear 'additrion' of our 1897
> solid-9"-brick-walled 3 bed semi-terraced <g> cottage (therefore it
> gets very cold in the winter and hot in the summer).
>
> Her room has a single, largish, opening, dg window (east facing mostly
> shaded by the house and next door, top hinged for fire escape) but
> won't open it, even on vent because of 'creatures' getting in.
>
> I have thought of making up a frame with some caravan type 'fly
> netting' over it but using it with the roller blind that is within the
> window reveal atm would be a bit akward to fit / use (and you can't
> fit anything directly to the inner frame (as would secondary dg) or it
> fouls the window handle).
>
> So, I wondered if anone could think of a way of providing some sort of
> fine mesh across, or inside the window reveal that would not get in
> the way of the window opener handle at the bottom or restrict egress
> in the event of a fire?
>
> I don't think she could have hinged frame on the inner wall as there
> would be no room to hinge it left or right because of the unit partly
> in front of (under) the window. It can't slide up very far because the
> room is partly (by a foot or so) in the rear addition roof (a sort of
> 45 deg corner on one side of the ceiling).
>
> So maybe an internal mesh (on the inner wall) 'blind' that ran in
> vertical guides or something (so creatures can't get past), could be
> lifted up enough to open / close the window and be opened (ripped off)
> completely to get out quickly if need be ..?
>
> Any ideas please folks?
>
> ====<   fully opening dg window    >=====
>     | ++++   existing blind  ++++  | wall
>     |                              |
> ====                                =====
>
>
>
> All the best ..
>
> T i m
>
>

Just my tuppence worth.
Think simple.
A decently made screen edged with velcro might do the job. If you have
steel framed windows the magnetic strip stuff might be better. Either
should be suitable as they are both easily removed.
Use your ingenuity, it's amazing where a few rubber bands and some sticky
tape can lead you!
Good luck

NP

NickP wrote:


> A decently made screen edged with velcro might do the job. If you have
> steel framed windows the magnetic strip stuff might be better. Either
> should be suitable as they are both easily removed.
>

I used velcro and the fine netting sold in outdoor/camping shops for tent
windows - it even keeps out Highland midges!

Sheila

On 29 Aug 2005, T i m wrote

> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:11:33 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
> wrote:

>>> I have thought of making up a frame with some caravan type 'fly
>>> netting' over it but using it with the roller blind that is
>>> within the window reveal atm would be a bit akward to fit / use
>>> (and you can't fit anything directly to the inner frame (as
>>> would secondary dg) or it fouls the window handle).
>> 
>> Could you fit a fixed, netted frame to the exterior -- with 
>> sufficiently light fixings to allow it to be punched off if
>> emergency access was needed?

-snip-
 
> See, I knew someone would come up with something (but not that
> fast) ;-)
> 

-snip-

Glad it didn't sound like a stupid idea!

-- 
Cheers,
Harvey

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:01:34 +0100, Owain
 wrote:


>T i m wrote:
>> So, I wondered if anone could think of a way of providing some sort of
>> fine mesh across, or inside the window reveal that would not get in
>> the way of the window opener handle at the bottom or restrict egress
>> in the event of a fire?
>
>Almost anything short of weldmesh will be cuttable by the fire brigade - 
>she isn't (hopefully) going to be trying to jump out of the window 
>before they put a ladder up.


Hi Owain .. and thanks for the input. As it happens her window open
over our little polycarbonate roofed 'lean-to' so it would be a pretty
safe exit as-is. ;-)

>
>I think something like net curtain mesh, hemmed with tape and velcro 
>dots, and corresponding velcro dots on the frame, would fit snugly 
>enough to keep out beasties, but be easy enough to remove for 
>manipulating the window latch. It wouldn't need to be rigid, so could be 
>baggy enough to accommodate the latch handle etc.


Of course .. 'baggy' ..  baggy and maybe hemmed all round with a
sew-in light velcro and self adhesive equiv on the plastic dg frame
.... ?

>
>Alternatively, put a rail over the bed and suspend a mozzie net curtain, 
>could look quite feminine if done with appropriate frills and flounces, 
>and she can draw the curtains round the bed during daytime and make a 
>hidey-hole.


Actually, that might be quite easy to do but not as you imagine. Being
a box room it's pretty small, so I built the bed across the end of the
room but up in the ceiling (for her older sister). There's about
enough room for her to sit up in bed and enough room underneath for a
750mm deep worktop that is also the full width of the room (taking her
TV, fishtank, PC and *sometimes* homework ;-). The silhouette of the
bed (a full single) looks like a bit like a fighter jet (Hawk?) with a
tailplane going up to the ceiling taking a bookshelf across the bed
head end. Anyway, It could be quite easy to attach a batten over the
bed and have a simple fly net type curtian dropping down level with
the bed side. Although 15 and a 'RockGoth' she's not particularly
'girly' (so flounces are out <g>) and with her Tiequando and motorbike
riding you would think she wouldn't be botherd by (mainly) small
flying creatures? A while back she spent an afternoon putting out
aphid packs in my mates tomato greenhouse surrounded by his bees ..
after a while she forgot about them but still has a 'wobbler' when one
comes in her room (but won't generally hurt them). Re the 'hidy hole'
...As she got older we offered her the bigger middle bedroom with a
conventional bed but she won't budge ;-)


> Fire-retardent spray on the fabric might be sensible.


Understood ..

 (This 

>is also a task that can be reverted to the Officer i/c Domestic Harmony 
>in many cases.)


'Domestic Harmony' .. She who will obey is only bothered if I don't
keep her XV750 Virago on tune and clean! ;-)

>
>(Depending on age of the daughter, you have established that the 
>'creatures' she is afraid of are corporeal, and not imaginary?


Well, in most cases the actual *theat* to her is imaginary (unlike
that from Chavs and she's not 'bothered' by them...?) but she is silll
unwilling to go to sleep knowing something is loose in her room (inc
moths and spiders but not the visiting mouse we had the other day
...?). If she protests enough 'Mum' normally goes in and grabs whatever
and puts them out the window (I'm all for the more caring 'go to sleep
it can't hurt you' solution!<g>).

 It's a 

>lot easier to banish the imaginary ones with a 'magic spell' than it is 
>to get the carpentry tool-box out...)


Yeah, and I'd love to take a picture of her face when I tried that
one! <weg>

All the best and thanks for all your thoughts / ideas Owain. I'm going
to put all the ideas to her and she what she thinks (I think she's a
bit of a designer herself) ;-)

T i m

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:40:00 GMT, raden  wrote:


>In message , T i m 
> writes
>>Hi All,
>>
>>My daughters room is in the rear 'additrion' of our 1897
>>solid-9"-brick-walled 3 bed semi-terraced <g> cottage (therefore it
>>gets very cold in the winter and hot in the summer).
>>
>>So maybe an internal mesh (on the inner wall) 'blind' that ran in
>>vertical guides or something (so creatures can't get past), could be
>>lifted up enough to open / close the window and be opened (ripped off)
>>completely to get out quickly if need be ..?
>>
>
>Net curtain
>
>Cheap and it works


And easy to apply in thiss case as it could be more of a net 'screen'
across her bed. I'm not sure if that would be sufficient though as she
doesn't even like houseflies in her room during the day so often keeps
her door shut in spite of it being very hot in there .. ;-(

One for the options list though, thanks ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:51:38 +0100, Andy Hall <andyh@hall.nospam>
wrote:



>>
>>Any ideas please folks?
>
>Something in here?
>
>http://www.flyscreensuk.co.uk/Windows.htm
>
>Alternatively, I have seen roller blinds that run in vertical tracks
>and which are typically used as blackout blinds in a room where a
>projector etc. is to be used.  I wonder if one of these could be used
>with fly screen material.


Hmm, that was one of my first thoughts .. 

Thanks for the link Andy .. there might be something there as is or an
idea to get me rolling .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:02:39 +0100, "NickP"  wrote:



>Just my tuppence worth.


Please .. ;-)


>Think simple.


Ok, I often start that way but often ends up 'complicated' ;-(


>A decently made screen edged with velcro might do the job. If you have
>steel framed windows the magnetic strip stuff might be better.


Plastic d/g stuff but I'm sure I could sort something ..

 Either

>should be suitable as they are both easily removed.


Understood ..


>Use your ingenuity, it's amazing where a few rubber bands and some sticky
>tape can lead you!


Oh indeed. With her room being often getting so hot (and the bed being
near the ceiling) she asked if she could have a fan in there
somewhere. We started with one of the small clip-on types up on the
beadhead and that worked do a degree (sorry) ;-)

I envisiged one of those bigger desk fans (that can also be wall
mounted) fitted on one of the built-in cupboards that faced her bed
(side) and up at the same level (so abouve her head when shes moving
about in the room). I found one but when I testes it in that position
it 'resonated' slightly via the cupboard. I was thinking of rubber
mounting the fan somehow (as a form of isolation) and was thinking up
all sorts of plates and contraptions to do so.

After a week or so I refined it down to fitting 4 soft rubber feet
uder the fan that would rest on the cupboard. I then drilled 2 10mm
diameter holes through the cupboard (aligning with the fans mounting
keyholes) and pushed some soft rubber tubing into the holes. I then
fitted a couple of 50mm long 4mm machine screws into the fans
keyholes, through the rubber 'inserts' in the cupboard and through a
couple more rubber feet,  penny washers and wingnuts on the inside.
The fan can be moved about a bit on it's rubber mount, runs pretty
quietly and cures the creatures problem but not the actual heat (just
moves the hot air about) ;-(

All the best ..

T i m

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:23:30 -0400, S Viemeister
 wrote:


>NickP wrote:
>
>> A decently made screen edged with velcro might do the job. If you have
>> steel framed windows the magnetic strip stuff might be better. Either
>> should be suitable as they are both easily removed.
>>
>I used velcro and the fine netting sold in outdoor/camping shops for tent
>windows - it even keeps out Highland midges!


Hi Shela ;-)

Keeps out midges eh .. that's gotta be the ultimate test! ;-)

Hmmmm <thinks> I was 'worried' about any form of screen 'inside' the
open window because as you have to remove it to access the window
handle, any creatures on it could get in at that moment, attracted by
the light in her room. If the fabric was attached to the window firmly
enough (good velcro) and 'baggy' / strong enough, she might be able to
open / close the window *through* the fabric (like I sometimes do with
our net curtains .. much to 'her' dismay .. ) ;-)

All the best and thanks for the qualification (midgeproofedness) ;-)

T i m

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:35:57 GMT, T i m  wrote:


>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:51:38 +0100, Andy Hall <andyh@hall.nospam>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>Any ideas please folks?
>>
>>Something in here?
>>
>>http://www.flyscreensuk.co.uk/Windows.htm
>>
>>Alternatively, I have seen roller blinds that run in vertical tracks
>>and which are typically used as blackout blinds in a room where a
>>projector etc. is to be used.  I wonder if one of these could be used
>>with fly screen material.
>
>Hmm, that was one of my first thoughts .. 
>
>Thanks for the link Andy .. there might be something there as is or an
>idea to get me rolling .. ;-)
>



Ideas to get you started, really.  It was difficult for me to
visualise the room and window setup, so I wasn't sure what might work
and what wouldn't



-- 

..andy

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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:59:57 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
 wrote:

 

>> See, I knew someone would come up with something (but not that
>> fast) ;-)
>> 
>-snip-
>
>Glad it didn't sound like a stupid idea!


Not at all, and ignoring the extra construction work needed to make /
fit something and the look of the thing from the outside it is the
least intrusive solution whilst keeping creatures where they belong,
*outside* the house ;-)

Following on from your suggestion last night I've been trying
different designs in my head.

The windown opens pretty well from the top (it's side hinged but near
the top) so the window forms a wedge shape when opened sufficiently
for regular ventilation.

So my (your) first fly screen box was just that, a retangular frame
covered in fabric mesh and top slung over the window on the outside
(with a soft foam rubber gasket fitted to the frame side to seal it to
the wall).

Then it went wedge shaped, following the contours of the window.

Then it went into clear polycarbonate with just a mesh 'bottom' (<<
should still provide sufficient ventilation).

Then it went into a loose mesh bottom fixed to the window and frame
with wedge shaped polycarbonates 'sides' that were either fitted to
the window and swing out with it (still gently sealing the sides if
you know what I mean) or fitted to the outer frame so that the window
swings out within it (but there is still quite a gap at the top that
would need dealing with <sigh> )....

Anyway, thanks for another sleepless night! (<< joke) ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:09:45 +0100, Andy Hall <andyh@hall.nospam>
wrote:


>
>Ideas to get you started, really.  It was difficult for me to
>visualise the room and window setup, so I wasn't sure what might work
>and what wouldn't


Indeed ..  and a picture would speak 1000 words (damn you text only
newsgroups!) ;-)

There really isn't a lot of space around the window on the inside ..
to the right there is a tall wall mounted mirror, the internal sill is
just below the level of her small draw units and to the left is the
wall mounted bed ;-) Above the window there is little flat wall before
the wall changes through 45 deg for a foot or so to become the
ceiling.

The window is a reasonable size for a small room (it was a sliding
sash when I bought the house but was rotten beyond repair), inside the
reveal is 1.2m high by .9  wide. It became a wooden single glazed
jobby (no spare cash, buying the house on my own) for a while then
went PVCu with the rest of the house.

Trying to keep it practical, there is a chance that anything that has
to be opened to access the window is likely to allow anything that may
have got as far as said screen into the room, especially at night
after being open all day?

So, the perfect solution (from stopping creatures point of view) would
either have to be on the outside and accommodating the open window or
on the inside but not moved to open / close the window (so a very
baggy net / mesh might work).

While I was quickly reading the replies to the missus this morning she
suggested our daughter just wears a bee keepers type net all the time
... ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m"  wrote in message
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snip


> Hmmmm <thinks> I was 'worried' about any form of screen 'inside' the
> open window because as you have to remove it to access the window
> handle, any creatures on it could get in at that moment, attracted by
> the light in her room.


snip

I don't know if you have some specific problem that really warrants all this
effort. Everyone gets the odd creepy crawly through the window and big
spider in the house. I'd be more concerned as to why this has become such a
big issue. Our two kids (now teenagers) always had a small window open and
on odd ocassions met with a bee/big beetle/daddy longlegs/moth etc which
might cause a small stir, but we never felt the need to prevent them
(rarely) getting in. If you child is very scared of creepy crawlies then
perhaps going to a place where some staff can introduce her to some friendly
ones and show her that they are harmless would be a better solution.

Paul


> T i m

T i m wrote:

> Anyway, It could be quite easy to attach a batten over the
> bed and have a simple fly net type curtian dropping down level with
> the bed side. Although 15 and a 'RockGoth' she's not particularly
> 'girly' (so flounces are out <g>)


Simple - use black netting.  Make it a fashion statement!

BTW - how does a 'RockGoth' differ from a 'normal' Goth (or Goff)?


> Well, in most cases the actual *theat* to her is imaginary (unlike
> that from Chavs and she's not 'bothered' by them...?)


Does she look bothered?  Is her face bothered?

Dave

T i m wrote:

> ... Although 15 and a 'RockGoth' she's not particularly
> 'girly' (so flounces are out <g>) 


I was thinking she was about five...


>>Fire-retardent spray on the fabric might be sensible.
> Understood ..


At 15 she's more into the candle-burning age than a five-year-old.

Owain

"Paul Andrews" <ac297@dial.pipex.commmmm> wrote in message
news:ELWQe.899$k4.345@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...

> "T i m"  wrote in message
> news:d048h1ds0us5eaiicqp1451k4uun435vg4@4ax.com...
>
> snip
>
> > Hmmmm <thinks> I was 'worried' about any form of screen 'inside' the
> > open window because as you have to remove it to access the window
> > handle, any creatures on it could get in at that moment, attracted by
> > the light in her room.
>
> snip
>
> I don't know if you have some specific problem that really warrants all
this
> effort. Everyone gets the odd creepy crawly through the window and big
> spider in the house. I'd be more concerned as to why this has become such
a
> big issue. Our two kids (now teenagers) always had a small window open and
> on odd ocassions met with a bee/big beetle/daddy longlegs/moth etc which
> might cause a small stir, but we never felt the need to prevent them
> (rarely) getting in. If you child is very scared of creepy crawlies then
> perhaps going to a place where some staff can introduce her to some
friendly
> ones and show her that they are harmless would be a better solution.


LOL having read that she's 15, I'd probably not bother to do anything!

Paul

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:05:34 GMT, "david lang"
 wrote:


>T i m wrote:
>> Anyway, It could be quite easy to attach a batten over the
>> bed and have a simple fly net type curtian dropping down level with
>> the bed side. Although 15 and a 'RockGoth' she's not particularly
>> 'girly' (so flounces are out <g>)
>
>Simple - use black netting.  Make it a fashion statement!


Wicked (I can hear her saying to that one ..) ;-)

>
>BTW - how does a 'RockGoth' differ from a 'normal' Goth (or Goff)?


Erm .. not that sure really .. She started going for the Goth look (6
complete outfits from a charity shop for 10) black nails / makeup etc
then sorta swayed more straight rock with Rammstein, Megadeth etc with
some Green Day (concerted those 3 so far) and System of the Damned
thrown in? But walk past her room and she's playing bass along to some
Marley or a classical number on her Oboe .. <shrug>?

>
>> Well, in most cases the actual *theat* to her is imaginary (unlike
>> that from Chavs and she's not 'bothered' by them...?)
>
>Does she look bothered?  Is her face bothered?


That's the attitude yep <g> .. but she does have a sense of loyalty.
Confronted by some (mild) chavs one of her (male) mates ran away and
she stood with the rest (her b/f and his mate and her girly Tiequando
partner) ;-)

The chavs were easily confused and wandered off .. ;-)

All the best .. ;-)

T i m

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:16:55 +0100, Owain
 wrote:


>T i m wrote:
>> ... Although 15 and a 'RockGoth' she's not particularly
>> 'girly' (so flounces are out <g>) 
>
>I was thinking she was about five...


I didn't give any real clues to her age .. sri .. 

>
>>>Fire-retardent spray on the fabric might be sensible.
>> Understood ..
>
>At 15 she's more into the candle-burning age than a five-year-old.


That's spooky Owain (you are obviously a parent <g>).

I think it was yesterday she asked us again re having candles (or joss
sticks) in her room. We explained the risks (again) and added that we
may reconsider when she stops leaving her phone / sunglasses / bag
various places or can make toast without burning it .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:43:48 GMT, "Paul Andrews"
<ac297@dial.pipex.commmmm> wrote:


>"T i m"  wrote in message
>news:d048h1ds0us5eaiicqp1451k4uun435vg4@4ax.com...
>
>snip
>
>> Hmmmm <thinks> I was 'worried' about any form of screen 'inside' the
>> open window because as you have to remove it to access the window
>> handle, any creatures on it could get in at that moment, attracted by
>> the light in her room.
>
>snip
>
>I don't know if you have some specific problem that really warrants all this
>effort. 


Well, that was sorta part of the 'bigger picture' re me question. If
there was a real easy, cheap, functional soution it might be worth
making her more comfortable (cooler / less stressed)?

Everyone gets the odd creepy crawly through the window and big

>spider in the house.


True ..

 I'd be more concerned as to why this has become such a

>big issue. 


I think in her case wasps. From memory she has been stung by them at
least twice in her life so far (for no *apparent* reason to *us*) one
of which was on the lip.

Our two kids (now teenagers) always had a small window open and

>on odd ocassions met with a bee/big beetle/daddy longlegs/moth etc which
>might cause a small stir, but we never felt the need to prevent them
>(rarely) getting in.


We generally don't leave windows open because of the noise and
pollution ;-(

 If you child is very scared of creepy crawlies then

>perhaps going to a place where some staff can introduce her to some friendly
>ones and show her that they are harmless would be a better solution.


Oh indeed. We have done the insect house and had the tarantular on the
hand at the local mini zoo stuff .. and she willl even usher stag
beetles to safety but I don't think that's the issue. I'm pretty sure
it's not a phobia just with her (current) long wild hair I think she's
concerened re wasps (in particular) getting caught up it in?

I think it's mainly when something flies close to her head / face she
tends to react a bit ..  mind you, *I* had a moment the other day when
this pretty large spider ran out from under something .. !  I did
collect it and put it outside (in a box, not by hand like the missus
does ..). It's not that I can't .. I'd just prefer not to when they
are that big!

But then our daughter is happy to hold a starfish in the palm of her
hand and isn't bothered by dogs etc ...  but they don't tend to get in
the window that often .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

In article , 
news@spaced.me.uk says...
<snip>

> Following on from your suggestion last night I've been trying
> different designs in my head.
> 


How about something like this - a wedge-shaped wire frame on the outside 
from the hinge to the sill, to support netting that's attached to the 
frame and the casement so that when fully open or closed the mesh is 
stretched tight.  You could do a mini version for inside the top too.



               |
               |\\
               | \ \
               |  \  \
               |   \   \
               |    \    \
               |     \
               |      \
               |_______\

In message , T i m 
 writes

>On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:40:00 GMT, raden  wrote:
>
>>In message , T i m
>> writes
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>My daughters room is in the rear 'additrion' of our 1897
>>>solid-9"-brick-walled 3 bed semi-terraced <g> cottage (therefore it
>>>gets very cold in the winter and hot in the summer).
>>>
>>>So maybe an internal mesh (on the inner wall) 'blind' that ran in
>>>vertical guides or something (so creatures can't get past), could be
>>>lifted up enough to open / close the window and be opened (ripped off)
>>>completely to get out quickly if need be ..?
>>>
>>
>>Net curtain
>>
>>Cheap and it works
>
>And easy to apply in thiss case as it could be more of a net 'screen'
>across her bed. I'm not sure if that would be sufficient though as she
>doesn't even like houseflies in her room during the day so often keeps
>her door shut in spite of it being very hot in there .. ;-(
>
>One for the options list though, thanks ;-)
>

Or ...

Mosquito net

-- 
geoff

In message , T i m 
 writes

>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:02:39 +0100, "NickP"  wrote:
>
>
>>Just my tuppence worth.
>
>Please .. ;-)
>

Just thought - Goth

Incantations and smelly candles

Don't they work without further assistance ?

-- 
geoff

T i m wrote:

>>At 15 she's more into the candle-burning age than a five-year-old.
> That's spooky Owain (you are obviously a parent <g>).


Yebbut nobbut cos we only did it once like and that was a joke ...


> I think it was yesterday she asked us again re having candles (or joss
> sticks) in her room. We explained the risks (again) and added that we
> may reconsider when she stops leaving her phone / sunglasses / bag
> various places or can make toast without burning it .. ;-)


<parental lie> Joss sticks and candles are magnets to buzzy insects. The 
flickering light attracts them. </>

In 2002 in the UK there were 2,000 candle fires resulting in 19 deaths 
and more than 800 injuries (ODPM fire statistics)

http://www.firekills.gov.uk/candles/01.htm

Owain

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:04:42 +0100, Owain
 wrote:


>T i m wrote:
>>>At 15 she's more into the candle-burning age than a five-year-old.
>> That's spooky Owain (you are obviously a parent <g>).
>
>Yebbut nobbut cos we only did it once like and that was a joke ...
>
>> I think it was yesterday she asked us again re having candles (or joss
>> sticks) in her room. We explained the risks (again) and added that we
>> may reconsider when she stops leaving her phone / sunglasses / bag
>> various places or can make toast without burning it .. ;-)
>
><parental lie> Joss sticks and candles are magnets to buzzy insects. The 
>flickering light attracts them. </>
>
>In 2002 in the UK there were 2,000 candle fires resulting in 19 deaths 
>and more than 800 injuries (ODPM fire statistics)
>
>http://www.firekills.gov.uk/candles/01.htm
>
>Owain



So why aren't they regulated?

It's a disgrace.....  ;-)




-- 

..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

In message , Andy Hall 
<andyh@hall.nospam> writes

>On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:04:42 +0100, Owain
> wrote:
>
>>T i m wrote:
>>>>At 15 she's more into the candle-burning age than a five-year-old.
>>> That's spooky Owain (you are obviously a parent <g>).
>>
>>Yebbut nobbut cos we only did it once like and that was a joke ...
>>
>>> I think it was yesterday she asked us again re having candles (or joss
>>> sticks) in her room. We explained the risks (again) and added that we
>>> may reconsider when she stops leaving her phone / sunglasses / bag
>>> various places or can make toast without burning it .. ;-)
>>
>><parental lie> Joss sticks and candles are magnets to buzzy insects. The
>>flickering light attracts them. </>
>>
>>In 2002 in the UK there were 2,000 candle fires resulting in 19 deaths
>>and more than 800 injuries (ODPM fire statistics)
>>
>>http://www.firekills.gov.uk/candles/01.htm
>>
>>Owain
>
>
>So why aren't they regulated?
>
>It's a disgrace.....  ;-)
>

CORCI ?

-- 
geoff

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:00:58 +0100, Rob Morley 
wrote:


>In article , 
>news@spaced.me.uk says...
><snip>
>> Following on from your suggestion last night I've been trying
>> different designs in my head.
>> 
>
>How about something like this - a wedge-shaped wire frame on the outside 
>from the hinge to the sill, to support netting that's attached to the 
>frame and the casement so that when fully open or closed the mesh is 
>stretched tight.  You could do a mini version for inside the top too.
>
>
>
>               |
>               |\\
>               | \ \
>               |  \  \
>               |   \   \
>               |    \    \
>               |     \
>               |      \
>               |_______\


That was a version of one of my phases Rob ;-)

I looked yesterday and I think the top gap will still get encompased
in the overall 'wedge' ok ..  (because of the frame etc).

All the best ..

T i m

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:04:42 +0100, Owain
 wrote:



><parental lie> Joss sticks and candles are magnets to buzzy insects. The 
>flickering light attracts them. </>


Perfick! .. as long as I don't make the fly screen .. <sigh>

>
>In 2002 in the UK there were 2,000 candle fires resulting in 19 deaths 
>and more than 800 injuries (ODPM fire statistics)
>
>http://www.firekills.gov.uk/candles/01.htm


Oooerr ;-(

Dad likes burning candles .. can't think I've ever felt the need
(apart from emergency lighting but then probably used battery /
inverter / lamp) ;-)

But then I'm not 'romantic' ...  <sigh>

All the best ..

T i m

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:37:58 GMT, raden  wrote:



>>So why aren't they regulated?
>>
>>It's a disgrace.....  ;-)
>>
>CORCI ?


LOL!

T i m

(why can I actually see the above happening ...<sigh>)

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:18:25 GMT, raden  wrote:



>>And easy to apply in thiss case as it could be more of a net 'screen'
>>across her bed. I'm not sure if that would be sufficient though as she
>>doesn't even like houseflies in her room during the day so often keeps
>>her door shut in spite of it being very hot in there .. ;-(
>>
>>One for the options list though, thanks ;-)
>>
>Or ...
>
>Mosquito net


It would have to be the size of her room as she often spends days in
there at a time (she must stash food somewhere) .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:26:52 GMT, raden  wrote:


>In message , T i m 
> writes
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:02:39 +0100, "NickP"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Just my tuppence worth.
>>
>>Please .. ;-)
>>
>Just thought - Goth
>
>Incantations and smelly candles


Well, she's welcome to try the 'incantations' thing .. but for candles
see elsewhere in this thread Geoff ;-)

>
>Don't they work without further assistance ?


Not sure .. we tried those insect repellent candles whilst on holiday
in Scotland to try to deal with the midges. I think they were attacted
to the candle and came in for a warm-uo .. ;-(

All the best ..

T i m

In article , 
news@spaced.me.uk says...

> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:00:58 +0100, Rob Morley 
> wrote:
> 
> >In article , 
> >news@spaced.me.uk says...
> ><snip>
> >> Following on from your suggestion last night I've been trying
> >> different designs in my head.
> >> 
> >
> >How about something like this - a wedge-shaped wire frame on the outside 
> >from the hinge to the sill, to support netting that's attached to the 
> >frame and the casement so that when fully open or closed the mesh is 
> >stretched tight.  You could do a mini version for inside the top too.
> >
> >
> >
> >               |
> >               |\\
> >               | \ \
> >               |  \  \
> >               |   \   \
> >               |    \    \
> >               |     \
> >               |      \
> >               |_______\
> 
> That was a version of one of my phases Rob ;-)
> 
> I looked yesterday and I think the top gap will still get encompased
> in the overall 'wedge' ok ..  (because of the frame etc).
> 

Not the way I'm thinking of it - the mesh doesn't go right across the 
window, just along the gaps between the casement and the frame.  The 
wire stops the mesh from getting trapped when you close the casement.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:28:54 +0100, Rob Morley 
wrote:


>In article , 
>news@spaced.me.uk says...
>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:00:58 +0100, Rob Morley 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >In article , 
>> >news@spaced.me.uk says...
>> ><snip>
>> >> Following on from your suggestion last night I've been trying
>> >> different designs in my head.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >How about something like this - a wedge-shaped wire frame on the outside 
>> >from the hinge to the sill, to support netting that's attached to the 
>> >frame and the casement so that when fully open or closed the mesh is 
>> >stretched tight.  You could do a mini version for inside the top too.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >               |
>> >               |\\
>> >               | \ \
>> >               |  \  \
>> >               |   \   \
>> >               |    \    \
>> >               |     \
>> >               |      \
>> >               |_______\
>> 
>> That was a version of one of my phases Rob ;-)
>> 
>> I looked yesterday and I think the top gap will still get encompased
>> in the overall 'wedge' ok ..  (because of the frame etc).
>> 
>Not the way I'm thinking of it - the mesh doesn't go right across the 
>window, just along the gaps between the casement and the frame.  The 
>wire stops the mesh from getting trapped when you close the casement.


Ah, sorry Rob, I re read it and now see what you meant.

So, if done neatly would have little impact on the light, ventilation
or ease of use of the window and if the strips along one facet were
'rippable' would still open completely if needed as a fire escape ;-)

Nice solution ;-)

I would probably need to remove the existing roller blind but I think
she mentioned that she would be happy to see that go so that's win -
win ;-)

I'll have a closer look at the casement and opener and see where
fixings could be made etc.

All the best and thanks again ..

T i m

In article , 
news@spaced.me.uk says...
<snip>

> So, if done neatly would have little impact on the light, ventilation
> or ease of use of the window and if the strips along one facet were
> 'rippable' would still open completely if needed as a fire escape ;-)
> 

Sticky-backed velcro  :-)  The wire frame could just be stitched to the 
mesh.

raden wrote:

>>> http://www.firekills.gov.uk/candles/01.htm
>> So why aren't they regulated?
>> It's a disgrace.....  ;-)
> CORCI ?


That's a corker of an idea!

I see a return of public information films narrated by Mr Cholmondeley- 
Warner starring Torchy the Battery Boy

Owain

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:56:10 +0100, Owain
 wrote:


>raden wrote:
>>>> http://www.firekills.gov.uk/candles/01.htm
>>> So why aren't they regulated?
>>> It's a disgrace.....  ;-)
>> CORCI ?
>
>That's a corker of an idea!
>
>I see a return of public information films narrated by Mr Cholmondeley- 
>Warner starring Torchy the Battery Boy


;-)

I have a mate who does that voice soooo well .. even looks a bit like
him!

You never know when he's going to come out with something in
Cholmondeley-Warner stylee .. not that often that it becomes boring ..
cracks me up everytime ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:00:16 GMT, T i m  wrote:


>Her room has a single, largish, opening, dg window (east facing mostly
>shaded by the house and next door, top hinged for fire escape) but
>won't open it, even on vent because of 'creatures' getting in.
>
>I have thought of making up a frame with some caravan type 'fly
>netting' over it but using it with the roller blind that is within the
>window reveal atm would be a bit akward to fit / use (and you can't
>fit anything directly to the inner frame (as would secondary dg) or it
>fouls the window handle).


Hi,

What sort of roller blind is it, a blackout blind? If not the bugs are
probably attracted to the light from the room.

If you can arrange it so there is some airflow without a line of sight
to the light in the room it should cut down on visiting bugs.

cheers,
Pete.

PS safest way to burn candles is as a tea light in a lantern.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:41:50 +0100, Pete C 
wrote:


>On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:00:16 GMT, T i m  wrote:
>
>>Her room has a single, largish, opening, dg window (east facing mostly
>>shaded by the house and next door, top hinged for fire escape) but
>>won't open it, even on vent because of 'creatures' getting in.
>>
>>I have thought of making up a frame with some caravan type 'fly
>>netting' over it but using it with the roller blind that is within the
>>window reveal atm would be a bit akward to fit / use (and you can't
>>fit anything directly to the inner frame (as would secondary dg) or it
>>fouls the window handle).
>
>Hi,
>
>What sort of roller blind is it, a blackout blind? If not the bugs are
>probably attracted to the light from the room.


No it's not really and that is partly why I would be happy to see it
go for her (never really dark in in there when the sun's up .. nothing
to do with her being a Goth / Vampire etc) .. ;-)

>
>If you can arrange it so there is some airflow without a line of sight
>to the light in the room it should cut down on visiting bugs.


I'm sure it's 'reasonable' from a bugs point of view as the blind
pulls down inside the reveal and it's bigger than the window frame on
all sides. Not light tight but not an open invite either ..?


>PS safest way to burn candles is as a tea light in a lantern.


Ok, good tip and thanks .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

In message , T i m 
 writes

>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:18:25 GMT, raden  wrote:
>
>
>>>And easy to apply in thiss case as it could be more of a net 'screen'
>>>across her bed. I'm not sure if that would be sufficient though as she
>>>doesn't even like houseflies in her room during the day so often keeps
>>>her door shut in spite of it being very hot in there .. ;-(
>>>
>>>One for the options list though, thanks ;-)
>>>
>>Or ...
>>
>>Mosquito net
>
>It would have to be the size of her room as she often spends days in
>there at a time (she must stash food somewhere) .. ;-)
>

Cut to size for the window

-- 
geoff

In message , T i m 
 writes

>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:26:52 GMT, raden  wrote:
>
>>In message , T i m
>> writes
>>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:02:39 +0100, "NickP"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Just my tuppence worth.
>>>
>>>Please .. ;-)
>>>
>>Just thought - Goth
>>
>>Incantations and smelly candles
>
>Well, she's welcome to try the 'incantations' thing .. but for candles
>see elsewhere in this thread Geoff ;-)
>>
>>Don't they work without further assistance ?
>
>Not sure .. we tried those insect repellent candles whilst on holiday
>in Scotland to try to deal with the midges. I think they were attacted
>to the candle and came in for a warm-uo .. ;-(
>

You could always send her off to India for a month

She won't notice the little buzzers when she gets back

-- 
geoff

In message , Owain 
 writes

>raden wrote:
>>>> http://www.firekills.gov.uk/candles/01.htm
>>> So why aren't they regulated?
>>> It's a disgrace.....  ;-)
>> CORCI ?
>
>That's a corker of an idea!
>
>I see a return of public information films narrated by Mr Cholmondeley- 
>Warner starring Torchy the Battery Boy
>

You've got the bloody sig tune going around in my head now


-- 
geoff

T i m wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:28:54 +0100, Rob Morley 
> wrote:
>>>>How about something like this - a wedge-shaped wire frame on the outside 
>>>>from the hinge to the sill, to support netting that's attached to the 
>>>>frame and the casement so that when fully open or closed the mesh is 
>>>>stretched tight.  You could do a mini version for inside the top too.

>>Not the way I'm thinking of it - the mesh doesn't go right across the 
>>window, just along the gaps between the casement and the frame.  The 
>>wire stops the mesh from getting trapped when you close the casement.

> So, if done neatly would have little impact on the light, ventilation
> or ease of use of the window and if the strips along one facet were
> 'rippable' would still open completely if needed as a fire escape ;-)


Sounds something like a bellows arrangement. The wire(s) maintain the 
window frame profile even when the window is not fully open.


-- 
David Clark

$message_body_include ="PLES RING IF AN RNSR IS REQIRD"

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:31:02 GMT, raden  wrote:



>>
>You could always send her off to India for a month
>
>She won't notice the little buzzers when she gets back


No, I'll bet ;-)

And if she goes to Goa and happen to stub her toe like my mate did,
she can be driven to the local hospital by her own reserved Taxi
driver (8/day), have here toe looked at (after painkilling injection)
by a nurse then be given a course of antibiotics and be back on the
beach within 1/2 hour.  ;-)

All for the mighty sum of 8 .. ?

Flying creatures though ..  when she spent an afternoon helping in my
mates tomato greenhouse surrounded by bees, she was fine (after a
little bit of caution). I believe this was because it was *just* bees
(ie no wasps etc) and it was obvious they had no interest in her. She
even found it funny when one of these fairly large jobbies buzzed over
her head and she would duck to let them past .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

T i m wrote:

> She even found it funny when one of these fairly large jobbies 

 > buzzed over her head and she would duck to let them past .. ;-)

Flying jobbies, eh. That *would* be scary. What happened, the S*n*f*o 
explode?

Owain

In article , owain47125
@stirlingcity.coo.uk says...

> T i m wrote:
> > She even found it funny when one of these fairly large jobbies 
>  > buzzed over her head and she would duck to let them past .. ;-)
> 
> Flying jobbies, eh. That *would* be scary. What happened, the S*n*f*o 
> explode?
> 

If that happened the shit would really hit the fan (if there was a fan 
nearby).

In message , T i m 
 writes

>On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:31:02 GMT, raden  wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>You could always send her off to India for a month
>>
>>She won't notice the little buzzers when she gets back
>
>No, I'll bet ;-)
>
>And if she goes to Goa and happen to stub her toe like my mate did,
>she can be driven to the local hospital by her own reserved Taxi
>driver (8/day), have here toe looked at (after painkilling injection)
>by a nurse then be given a course of antibiotics and be back on the
>beach within 1/2 hour.  ;-)


I know what you mean

I put a fence post spike 10cm into my arm (I had to drive myself to 
hospital, having wrapped a towel around the wound), got the jabs, 12 
stitches and the antibiotics, it didn't even reach the 25 quid excess on 
my health insurance policy


>
>All for the mighty sum of 8 .. ?
>
>Flying creatures though ..  when she spent an afternoon helping in my
>mates tomato greenhouse surrounded by bees, she was fine (after a
>little bit of caution). I believe this was because it was *just* bees
>(ie no wasps etc) and it was obvious they had no interest in her. She
>even found it funny when one of these fairly large jobbies buzzed over
>her head and she would duck to let them past .. ;-)
>

So she needs a gentle introduction

"This is mozzi the mosquito, you can stroke her"
"and this is felix the moth ..."

She's going to have to learn to live with them one day

-- 
geoff

In article , raden@kateda.org says...
<snip>

> So she needs a gentle introduction
> 
> "This is mozzi the mosquito, you can stroke her"
> "and this is felix the moth ..."
> 
> She's going to have to learn to live with them one day
> 
> 

I use that approach with my SO, who isn't keen on bugs - a cry of "Rob, 
there's a huge spider in here" is answered with "Hey that's cool, are 
you going to pick it up to have a look?", moths are cute fluffy beasts 
not something nasty that flies in your face, bees and wasps will 
probably leave if you ask them nicely and open the window for them, and 
the discovery of beetles etc. starts a discussion on what they could be 
eating rather than how we can kill them all.  I have to admit that she's 
not yet convinced, but she's getting better.  And she does like rats and 
mice and reptiles and amphibians.

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:07:32 GMT, raden  wrote:


>>
>So she needs a gentle introduction
>
>"This is mozzi the mosquito, you can stroke her"
>"and this is felix the moth ..."


Er, "This is mozzi the mosquito, you can stroke her" would probably
earn the reply .. "Very nice, now take yer little malaria carrying and
furry friend out of my room ..!"

>
>She's going to have to learn to live with them one day


Global warming?

I'm not sure about you but although I respect most of God's little
creatures I like to spend some time on my own now and again. Those
times specifically include when I'm eating or sleeping! At most other
times I ignore most of them (like today and whilst picking some of my
runner beans I found a spider had made a nice web across some bits. It
made it quite akward to get to some of the beans but I did so leaving
him and his home intact <g>).

Being 6'2" I'm generally a 'sweeper' for the rest of the family and
often find myself wearing webs on my head (sorta reminds me what hair
feels like) ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:41:26 GMT, T i m  wrote:


>On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:41:50 +0100, Pete C 
>wrote:
>
>>What sort of roller blind is it, a blackout blind? If not the bugs are
>>probably attracted to the light from the room.
>
>I'm sure it's 'reasonable' from a bugs point of view as the blind
>pulls down inside the reveal and it's bigger than the window frame on
>all sides. Not light tight but not an open invite either ..?


No, bugs will head straight for the window/blind then find their way
to the edge somehow.

It's not bugs I mind, just when they get caught and squashed in the
blind >:(

If you can get some blackout material (v gothic) try hanging a wide
piece from the ceiling spaced away from the window, should allow
ventilation while stopping light loving bugs from getting in.

cheers,
Pete.