Going from london to Sheffield, but there are replacement buses on part of 
the route, which means its going to take ages.

I have a saver return ticket, and the route says via chesterfield.

Can I use virgin from euston and change somewhere (brum?), as virgin uses 
chesterfield as well?

What about GNER to peterborough and taking a local train that goes to shef?


Thanks!

BDA wrote:

> Going from london to Sheffield, but there are replacement buses on part of 
> the route, which means its going to take ages.
> 
> I have a saver return ticket, and the route says via chesterfield.
> 
> Can I use virgin from euston and change somewhere (brum?), as virgin uses 
> chesterfield as well?


The options you have are basically the East Coast Main Line to 
Peterborough and Grantham and then across Nottinghamshire and 
Derbyshire, or the Midland Main Line.

So, no, going via Bimringham isn't allowed


> What about GNER to peterborough and taking a local train that goes to shef?


Yes, but it takes about an hour longer than the MML journey today (you'd 
have to change at Peterborough, Leicester and Derby).

I'm not sure if this is possible, but you could try at the ticket office 
to excess the outward portion of your saver from 'route Chesterfield' to 
'Any Permitted' - then you could get GNER from KX to Doncaster and then 
Virgin/TransPennine/Northern back to Sheffield, which is the quickest 
valid route today.

Mark Morton wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is possible, but you could try at the ticket office
> to excess the outward portion of your saver from 'route Chesterfield' to
> 'Any Permitted' - then you could get GNER from KX to Doncaster and then
> Virgin/TransPennine/Northern back to Sheffield, which is the quickest
> valid route today.


Yes, "Where the choice of routes offers different fares for the same
ticket type, custometrs wishing to trabel out by one route and return
by another should be offered the lower fare and an additional excess
fare ticket. This does not apply to advance purchase tickets. See the
Retail Manual Part One for more information".

So, yes you are able to excess it.

Don't bother asking Euston though, last time I asked for an excess
there they didn't understand how to do it.

I have no idea how to get a copy of 'Retail Manual Part One'.

On 29 Aug 2005 03:01:22 -0700, "Yorkie"  wrote:


>Don't bother asking Euston though, last time I asked for an excess
>there they didn't understand how to do it.
>
>I have no idea how to get a copy of 'Retail Manual Part One'.


The relevant bit was posted a few days ago by Joyce Whitchurch, in the
"Excess Fares Again" thread.
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"Mark Morton"  wrote in message
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> BDA wrote:
> > Going from london to Sheffield, but there are replacement buses on part
of
> > the route, which means its going to take ages.
> >
> > I have a saver return ticket, and the route says via chesterfield.
> >
> > Can I use virgin from euston and change somewhere (brum?), as virgin
uses
> > chesterfield as well?
>
> The options you have are basically the East Coast Main Line to
> Peterborough and Grantham and then across Nottinghamshire and
> Derbyshire, or the Midland Main Line.
>
> So, no, going via Bimringham isn't allowed


What if he were to go via Tamworth instead?


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"Ronnie Clark" 
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> What if he were to go via Tamworth instead?


Sadly, nothing doing. Permitted routes are MM and PS+ER. MM doesn't let you
anywhere south-west of Derby, and the other combination doesn't help either.

Regards

Jonathan

Jonathan Morton wrote:


>>What if he were to go via Tamworth instead?
> 
> Sadly, nothing doing. Permitted routes are MM and PS+ER. MM doesn't let you
> anywhere south-west of Derby, and the other combination doesn't help either.


That and there are hardly any trains between London and Tamworth these days.

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"Jonathan Stott"  wrote in message
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> Jonathan Morton wrote:
>
> >>What if he were to go via Tamworth instead?
> >
> > Sadly, nothing doing. Permitted routes are MM and PS+ER. MM doesn't let
you
> > anywhere south-west of Derby, and the other combination doesn't help
either.
>
> That and there are hardly any trains between London and Tamworth these

days.

Indeed, especially at weekends. All of which is a shame for journeys from
London to Burton (or even Derby), which are very much quicker if you avoid
Brum.

Incidentally, is there any other station which has two routes served by the
same operator (Virgin in this case), where less effort is made to provide
decent connections between the routes? I can't think of one.

Regards

Jonathan

Jonathan Morton wrote:

> "Jonathan Stott"  wrote in message
> news:dev60q$105$1@oheron.kent.ac.uk...
> 
>>Jonathan Morton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>What if he were to go via Tamworth instead?
>>>
>>>Sadly, nothing doing. Permitted routes are MM and PS+ER. MM doesn't let
> 
> you
> 
>>>anywhere south-west of Derby, and the other combination doesn't help
> 
> either.
> 
>>That and there are hardly any trains between London and Tamworth these
> 
> days.
> 
> Indeed, especially at weekends. All of which is a shame for journeys from
> London to Burton (or even Derby), which are very much quicker if you avoid
> Brum.


It's often quicker to go to Derby and change for the St. Pancras service 
from Tamworth than to go to Birmingham. Seeing as I go to Tamworth quite 
often, I've paid a close interest in hour Virgin have "improved" the 
London-Tamworth services (and indeed other stations on the Trent 
Valley). Fair enough, the average journey time is now only 75 minutes 
(as opposed to about 95 minutes) but there are some 2 or 3 fewer 
services per day and the trains now run at times which are most 
inconvenient. There are almost no services at weekends (just the token 
one or two each way).

For example, there are no direct trains from Tamworth to London after 
the 15:26 except for the 22:16 which arrives in London after midnight, 
making it useless for onward connections to anywhere. There are no 
services in the other direction between the 09:38 and 15:45 services.

Oh, and fares are extortionate (probably why no one uses the trains from 
Tamworth), with a Standard Open Return costing just over 100.

Perhaps Virgin are trying to dissuade enough people from travelling 
between Tamworth and London that they can stop stopping there and 
therefore speed up their services to and from the NW?


> Incidentally, is there any other station which has two routes served by the
> same operator (Virgin in this case), where less effort is made to provide
> decent connections between the routes? I can't think of one.


Well, the connection between trains to and from Folkestone and trains to 
and from Canterbury West at Ashford is pretty poor - they are timed to 
arrive and depart at the same time (on Sundays at least), meaning you 
always have an hour to wait!

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"Jonathan Stott"  wrote in message
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> It's often quicker to go to Derby and change for the St. Pancras service
> from Tamworth than to go to Birmingham.


And all the more so from Burton. As I write I'm monitoring the live
departures so see if my son (who's returning from London) can make a "minus
one" connection from the 1718 ex-Euston (1827 at Tamworth) on to the 1809
ex-BNS (1826 at Tamworth). The 1809 is usually a shocking train in terms of
timing, but tonight of course it left BNS almost on time :-(

Regards

Jonathan

"Jonathan Stott"  wrote in message
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> Perhaps Virgin are trying to dissuade enough people from travelling
> between Tamworth and London that they can stop stopping there and
> therefore speed up their services to and from the NW?


That would be an interesting situation, if both Virgin and Central no longer
serve Tamworth low level - having to walk through a "dead" station to get
the rather busy and frequently served high level platforms.


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"BDA"  wrote in message 
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> Going from london to Sheffield, but there are replacement buses on part of 
> the route, which means its going to take ages.
>
> I have a saver return ticket, and the route says via chesterfield.
>
> Can I use virgin from euston and change somewhere (brum?), as virgin uses 
> chesterfield as well?
>
> What about GNER to peterborough and taking a local train that goes to 
> shef?
>


Bit late to comment now. but:

Isn't GNER to P'boro just as much bus?

I went St P - Nottingham on Saturday, including the bus, in not much longer 
than an all stations Meridian takes. In fact I did it almost one hour 
quicker than suggested by emergency timetable. All depends on how the buses 
mesh with trains. I was lucky.

Hasn't the A6 between Bedford and Kettering got a lot of roundabouts?

David

David Thornhill wrote:

> "BDA"  wrote in message 
> news:4312c77d$0$12877$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
> 
>>Going from london to Sheffield, but there are replacement buses on part of 
>>the route, which means its going to take ages.
>>
>>I have a saver return ticket, and the route says via chesterfield.
>>
>>Can I use virgin from euston and change somewhere (brum?), as virgin uses 
>>chesterfield as well?
>>
>>What about GNER to peterborough and taking a local train that goes to 
>>shef?
>>
> Bit late to comment now. but:
> 
> Isn't GNER to P'boro just as much bus?


It wasn't on Monday, which was when the OP posted his query.  The 
engineering works around Stevenage were late Saturday and all day Sunday.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:19 +0100, "Ronnie Clark"
 wrote:


>That would be an interesting situation, if both Virgin and Central no longer
>serve Tamworth low level - having to walk through a "dead" station to get
>the rather busy and frequently served high level platforms.


Isn't there an entrance to Carnforth on the fasts?

Neil

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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:47:08 +0100, in article
<deve5d$c1i$1@oheron.kent.ac.uk>, Jonathan Stott 
wrote in uk.railway: 


>Well, the connection between trains to and from Folkestone and trains to 
>and from Canterbury West at Ashford is pretty poor - they are timed to 
>arrive and depart at the same time (on Sundays at least), meaning you 
>always have an hour to wait!


What about from the East? Same mileage; so it's permitted - when I was
at the Channel Tunnel, I used to go from the East and change at Dover
Priory before cycling from Folkestone Central (I was fitter then!) I do
admit that from your home the East station is not as convenient as from
the West, and from my old home (Forty Acres Rd) the East is marginally
easier to get to than from your road.

Should be able to bike it in 10 minutes. I think I still could, it's
flatter than here!

Cheers,
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:47:02 GMT, in article
, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote in uk.railway: 


>On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:19 +0100, "Ronnie Clark"
> wrote:
>
>>That would be an interesting situation, if both Virgin and Central no longer
>>serve Tamworth low level - having to walk through a "dead" station to get
>>the rather busy and frequently served high level platforms.
>
>Isn't there an entrance to Carnforth on the fasts?


Eh? The WCML platforms at Tamworth are at the north end of the slows
(for now)
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:01:24 +0100, Chris Pemberton
 wrote:


>Eh? The WCML platforms at Tamworth are at the north end of the slows
>(for now)


The point was that you have to walk through a "dead" station to get to
the "live" one.

Neil

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Chris Pemberton wrote:


> What about from the East? Same mileage; so it's permitted - when I was
> at the Channel Tunnel, I used to go from the East and change at Dover
> Priory before cycling from Folkestone Central (I was fitter then!) I do
> admit that from your home the East station is not as convenient as from
> the West, and from my old home (Forty Acres Rd) the East is marginally
> easier to get to than from your road.


Well the Dover-Folkestone blockade (Shakespeare Cliff tunnels) is nearly 
over, so that will be on again soon.


> Should be able to bike it in 10 minutes. I think I still could, it's
> flatter than here!


The West station is most convenient for me. Biking it'd take about 5 
minutes from here; the East station would be another 5 minutes. Then I'd 
have the issue of what to do with my bike (until they build the cycle 
storage facilities at Whitefriars).

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