Someone clarify for me, is this available for use by one adult
travelling solo - or must it be adult  brats. Wording on the SPT web
site

http://www.spt.co.uk/tickets/daytripper.html

''...
£15.00 2 adults and up to 4 children (5 to 15 years inclusive)
£8.50 1 adult and up to 2 children (5 to 15 years inclusive)
....''

I'm not sure if that means 0-2 or 1-2 brats for £8-50.

--
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D7666 wrote:

> Someone clarify for me, is this available for use by one adult
> travelling solo - or must it be adult + brats. Wording on the SPT web
> site
> 
> 15.00 2 adults and up to 4 children (5 to 15 years inclusive)
> 8.50 1 adult and up to 2 children (5 to 15 years inclusive)
> ...''
> 
> I'm not sure if that means 0-2 or 1-2 brats for 8-50.


"Up to 2" means 0, 1 or 2. If children were essential, it would no doubt
say "1 or 2".

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Chris Tolley wrote:


> "Up to 2" means 0, 1 or 2. If children were essential, it would no doubt
> say "1 or 2".


Except that at least one other day tripper faciliyy - that for c2c -
uses very similar wording until you read the small print where it is
*not* available to solo adults (or at least that what c2c booking
offices say).

Hence my question for a definitive answer, from osmeone who knows the
rules, not alternative interpretations to wordings.

--
Nick

On 28 Aug 2005 16:50:40 -0700, "D7666"  wrote:


>
>Chris Tolley wrote:
>
>> "Up to 2" means 0, 1 or 2. If children were essential, it would no doubt
>> say "1 or 2".
>
>Except that at least one other day tripper faciliyy - that for c2c -
>uses very similar wording until you read the small print where it is
>*not* available to solo adults (or at least that what c2c booking
>offices say).


As does Section G of the National Fares Manual [1] (currently Page G17),
which states (regarding the c2c Day Rangers):

<quote>

The c2c One Day Family Ranger provides unlimited off peak travel for
small groups on c2c services. Travel is permitted from 0930 Mondays to
Fridays and at any time Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays. The
minimum group size is one adult and one child, or two senior citizens
travelling together (aged 60 and over). The maximum group size is two
adults and four children. There is no maximum group for senior citizens.
The group must travel together at all times. No Railcard or Staff Travel
discounts are available in conjunction with these tickets.

</quote>


>Hence my question for a definitive answer, from osmeone who knows the
>rules, not alternative interpretations to wordings.


The Scotland Extras section on www.ttrio.net states:

<quote>

Day Tripper Ticket

Valid Monday to Friday after 0900, all day Saturdays, Sundays and Public
Holidays.

One Adult and up to 2 children 8.50
Two Adults and up to 4 children 15.00

NOTE: Adults or Children can travel alone.

</quote>

So it seems that you can have 1 adult and 0 to 2 children for 8.50, or
2 adults and 0 to 4 children for 15.00.

HTH,

Barry

[1] <http://atoc.org/traveltrade/manuals/nfm/sectiong.pdf>

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Barry Salter wrote:


> As does Section G of the National Fares Manual [1] (currently Page G17),
> which states (regarding the c2c Day Rangers):


Thanks Barry - the c2c leaflet I have here is interpretable differently
though - thats why my original question.

And,


> The Scotland Extras section on www.ttrio.net states:

>
> <quote>
>
> So it seems that you can have 1 adult and 0 to 2 children for £8.50, or
> 2 adults and 0 to 4 children for £15.00.
> 
> HTH,


It does.

Ty.

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Nick

D7666 wrote:

> Chris Tolley wrote:
>> "Up to 2" means 0, 1 or 2. If children were essential, it would no doubt
>> say "1 or 2".
> 
> Except that at least one other day tripper faciliyy - that for c2c -
> uses very similar wording until you read the small print where it is
> *not* available to solo adults (or at least that what c2c booking
> offices say).
> 
> Hence my question for a definitive answer, from osmeone who knows the
> rules, not alternative interpretations to wordings.


I don't know if my answer is definitive. I merely know that people 
without children have used the ticket.
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> The c2c One Day Family Ranger provides unlimited off peak travel for
> small groups on c2c services. Travel is permitted from 0930 Mondays to
> Fridays and at any time Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays. The
> minimum group size is one adult and one child, or two senior citizens
> travelling together (aged 60 and over). The maximum group size is two
> adults and four children. There is no maximum group for senior citizens.
> The group must travel together at all times. No Railcard or Staff Travel
> discounts are available in conjunction with these tickets.
>

Which is realy stupid logic  just like London Transport and their
family travel card

ie if you have two adults and eight children you can either travel as
one group and take 4 kids at £1.00 each, and pay non discounted fare
for the rest OR you can be in 2 groups of one adult and 4 kids and take
them all for £1.00 each.

This has the additional advantage that you do not always have to be
together.

Whoever thought this one up has been in a warm bath for too long

HTH Phil

D7666  wrote:


> Someone clarify for me, is this available for use by one adult
> travelling solo - or must it be adult + brats. Wording on the SPT web
> site
> 
> http://www.spt.co.uk/tickets/daytripper.html


Yes, it can be used by 1 adult alone.
I've used them a few times - good value, and you can fit a boat trip in
as well if you want.
Alan.

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nimbusjunk@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


> Which is realy stupid logic


Completely dopey isn't it.

I suppose they think the idea is it might be attractive to family
groups who otherwise might not travel, but I don't see why they don't
see solo travellers as equally targetted to day tripping.

It is much like this nonsense with Southern £10 Daysave tickets.

You can buy them on line 7 days in advance of travel, or at a few
tourist information offcies (so far I only know of locations actually
on the south coast that do that, none closer to London, e.g. Croydon
does not) on the day, but not at booking offcies. Yet a good deal of
the London < > Sussex Coastway off peak SX network card fares work out
at the £10 minimum fare and a significant number of those are also
valid via Brighton and so on, so why not make the £10 minimum dare a
Daysave and issue it on demand ?

--
Nick

D7666 wrote:

> nimbusjunk@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > Which is realy stupid logic
>
> Completely dopey isn't it.
>
> I suppose they think the idea is it might be attractive to family
> groups who otherwise might not travel, but I don't see why they don't
> see solo travellers as equally targetted to day tripping.
>
> It is much like this nonsense with Southern £10 Daysave tickets.
>
> You can buy them on line 7 days in advance of travel, or at a few
> tourist information offcies (so far I only know of locations actually
> on the south coast that do that, none closer to London, e.g. Croydon
> does not) on the day, but not at booking offcies. Yet a good deal of
> the London < > Sussex Coastway off peak SX network card fares work out
> at the £10 minimum fare and a significant number of those are also
> valid via Brighton and so on, so why not make the £10 minimum dare a
> Daysave and issue it on demand ?


Because if you did that, people would buy them at the stations rather
than on line, and then you wouldn't be able to close the ticket offices
due to lack of demand.  Also it means that only the few who are in the
know and able to make their descisions in advance can buy these
tickets.

On 30 Aug 2005 02:35:23 -0700, zikkimalambo@connectfree.co.uk wrote:


>
>D7666 wrote:

>> It is much like this nonsense with Southern 10 Daysave tickets.
>>
>> You can buy them on line 7 days in advance of travel, or at a few
>> tourist information offcies (so far I only know of locations actually
>> on the south coast that do that, none closer to London, e.g. Croydon
>> does not) on the day, but not at booking offcies. Yet a good deal of
>> the London < > Sussex Coastway off peak SX network card fares work out
>> at the 10 minimum fare and a significant number of those are also
>> valid via Brighton and so on, so why not make the 10 minimum dare a
>> Daysave and issue it on demand ?
>
>Because if you did that, people would buy them at the stations rather
>than on line, and then you wouldn't be able to close the ticket offices
>due to lack of demand.


You would if the machines sold them.

  Also it means that only the few who are in the

>know and able to make their descisions in advance can buy these
>tickets.


-- 
Arthur Figgis                Surrey, UK

Barry Salter wrote:> 

> >
> >Chris Tolley wrote:
> >
> >Except that at least one other day tripper faciliyy - that for c2c -
> >uses very similar wording until you read the small print where it is
> >*not* available to solo adults (or at least that what c2c booking
> >offices say).
> 
> As does Section G of the National Fares Manual [1] (currently Page G17),
> which states (regarding the c2c Day Rangers):
> 
> <quote>
> 
> The c2c One Day Family Ranger provides unlimited off peak travel for
> small groups on c2c services. Travel is permitted from 0930 Mondays to
> Fridays and at any time Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays. The
> minimum group size is one adult and one child, or two senior citizens
> travelling together (aged 60 and over). The maximum group size is two
> adults and four children. There is no maximum group for senior citizens.
> The group must travel together at all times. No Railcard or Staff Travel
> discounts are available in conjunction with these tickets.
> 
> </quote>


That's interesting. On 29th May I asked, at West Ham ticket office, for
a CDR from the boundary of zone 6 to Southend, with Senior Railcard
discount. (I would have bought this at my local station, but they were
suffering a power cut and the ticket office was closed). I was sold a
C2C Rail Ranger for a fiver; the clerk said that it was the best that
she could do. As I was travelling alone, presumably this was the wrong
ticket? I also suspect that I ended up paying rather more than I should
have done.

-- 
John Ray, London UK.

The SPT also offer a dayticket within most of their area - good for solo
travellers.

DERWENT Re: SPT daytripper ticket
 29 Aug 2005 11:10:56 -0700, "D7666"  


>
>nimbusjunk@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Which is realy stupid logic
>
>Completely dopey isn't it.
>
>I suppose they think the idea is it might be attractive to family
>groups who otherwise might not travel, but I don't see why they don't
>see solo travellers as equally targetted to day tripping.
>
>It is much like this nonsense with Southern 10 Daysave tickets.
>
>You can buy them on line 7 days in advance of travel, or at a few
>tourist information offcies (so far I only know of locations actually
>on the south coast that do that, none closer to London, e.g. Croydon
>does not) on the day, but not at booking offcies. Yet a good deal of
>the London < > Sussex Coastway off peak SX network card fares work out
>at the 10 minimum fare and a significant number of those are also
>valid via Brighton and so on, so why not make the 10 minimum dare a
>Daysave and issue it on demand ?




There's only one box of the correct ticket stock, and it's in the
offices at Blackfriars?

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PRAR wrote:


> >
> >It is much like this nonsense with Southern £10 Daysave tickets.

> There's only one box of the correct ticket stock, and it's in the
> offices at Blackfriars?



Wherever they are issued they never seem to go through automatic gates
anywhere, exdept Hove, where I have always found them to work.


In jest or not, it may even be something like that, but that is no
reason not to set up a standard APTIS issue with the right wording.

--
Nick