Hiya,

Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:

http://www.art4allhome.com/

They've been knocking around our area and i think, like most, i'm inclined 
to instantly assume its a con because somebody dodgy is knocking on my door.

However, having put some thought into it, i cant see where the con is? 
Basically they bring you a bunch of oil paintings on canvas and try to sell 
you them.  The paintings are apparently under 100quid and from what i've 
seen pretty decent.  Now i dont think these are masters or anything, or even 
one off's, i'm sure they're churned out by somebody painting by numbers in a 
factory somewhere, but under 100quid for a big old oil painting doesnt sound 
bad?

Anybody come accross these people before?
-- 
Alex

waste of money, no investment value - use wallpaper instead.

"Alex" <news@al-net.demon.cREMo.uNOSPAMk> wrote in message 
news:desv8o$pmr$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...

> Hiya,
>
> Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:
>
> http://www.art4allhome.com/
>
> They've been knocking around our area and i think, like most, i'm inclined 
> to instantly assume its a con because somebody dodgy is knocking on my 
> door.
>
> However, having put some thought into it, i cant see where the con is? 
> Basically they bring you a bunch of oil paintings on canvas and try to 
> sell you them.  The paintings are apparently under 100quid and from what 
> i've seen pretty decent.  Now i dont think these are masters or anything, 
> or even one off's, i'm sure they're churned out by somebody painting by 
> numbers in a factory somewhere, but under 100quid for a big old oil 
> painting doesnt sound bad?
>
> Anybody come accross these people before?
> -- 
> Alex
> 

"Robert Knowles" <BobKnowles78@hotmaildot.co.dotuk> wrote in message


>> Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:


My parents bought a couple a few years ago.  I'd like to stress theirs were 
not from the website in question - it was some sort of entrepreneurial 
sideline of the Hare Krishna in that instance.  It turned out they're 
painted in a 3rd world production line somewhere.  Somebody paints a 
backdrop, then the person that's good at trees paints a few of those on, and 
so on.

To be fair, they weren't silly money for what they were though.  If you find 
something that looks good in your home then there are plenty of worse ways 
to waste money.

Andy F Batter wrote:

> "Robert Knowles" <BobKnowles78@hotmaildot.co.dotuk> wrote in message
>
>>> Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:
>
> My parents bought a couple a few years ago.  I'd like to stress
> theirs were not from the website in question - it was some sort of
> entrepreneurial sideline of the Hare Krishna in that instance.  It
> turned out they're painted in a 3rd world production line somewhere. 
> Somebody paints a backdrop, then the person that's good at trees
> paints a few of those on, and so on.
>
> To be fair, they weren't silly money for what they were though.  If
> you find something that looks good in your home then there are plenty
> of worse ways to waste money.


Yep , don't value them any higher than a similar sized poster that you like 
the look of and you won't be unhappy , but don't expect a work of art or for 
it to have any real resale value


-- 
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk    www.ebayfaq.co.uk

> "Alex" <news@al-net.demon.cREMo.uNOSPAMk> wrote in message
> news:desv8o$pmr$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Hiya,
>>
>> Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:
>>
>> http://www.art4allhome.com/
>>
>> They've been knocking around our area and i think, like most, i'm 
>> inclined to instantly assume its a con because somebody dodgy is knocking 
>> on my door.
>>
>> However, having put some thought into it, i cant see where the con is? 
>> Basically they bring you a bunch of oil paintings on canvas and try to 
>> sell you them.  The paintings are apparently under 100quid and from what 
>> i've seen pretty decent.  Now i dont think these are masters or anything, 
>> or even one off's, i'm sure they're churned out by somebody painting by 
>> numbers in a factory somewhere, but under 100quid for a big old oil 
>> painting doesnt sound bad?
>>
>> Anybody come accross these people before?
>> -- 
>> Alex
>>
>
>

"Robert Knowles" <BobKnowles78@hotmaildot.co.dotuk> wrote in message 
news:8U6dnZtRPqRxn4_eSa8jmA@karoo.co.uk...

> waste of money, no investment value - use wallpaper instead.
>


So long as you realise they have no investment value then it is not a "con". 
If you like the paintings and think they are worth the price then go ahead. 
A decent print with a limited run can cost 100.

I realise they are just "pictures" not "art", but how much would a "proper" 
oil painting set me back?

"Robert Knowles" <BobKnowles78@hotmaildot.co.dotuk> wrote in message 
news:8U6dnZtRPqRxn4_eSa8jmA@karoo.co.uk...

> waste of money, no investment value - use wallpaper instead.
>
> "Alex" <news@al-net.demon.cREMo.uNOSPAMk> wrote in message 
> news:desv8o$pmr$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Hiya,
>>
>> Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:
>>
>> http://www.art4allhome.com/
>>
>> They've been knocking around our area and i think, like most, i'm 
>> inclined to instantly assume its a con because somebody dodgy is knocking 
>> on my door.
>>
>> However, having put some thought into it, i cant see where the con is? 
>> Basically they bring you a bunch of oil paintings on canvas and try to 
>> sell you them.  The paintings are apparently under 100quid and from what 
>> i've seen pretty decent.  Now i dont think these are masters or anything, 
>> or even one off's, i'm sure they're churned out by somebody painting by 
>> numbers in a factory somewhere, but under 100quid for a big old oil 
>> painting doesnt sound bad?
>>
>> Anybody come accross these people before?
>> -- 
>> Alex
>>
>
> 

>>>
>>> Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:
>>>
>>> http://www.art4allhome.com/
>>>
>>> They've been knocking around our area and i think, like most, i'm 
>>> inclined to instantly assume its a con because somebody dodgy is 
>>> knocking on my door.
>>>
>>> However, having put some thought into it, i cant see where the con is? 
>>> Basically they bring you a bunch of oil paintings on canvas and try to 
>>> sell you them.  The paintings are apparently under 100quid and from what 
>>> i've seen pretty decent.  Now i dont think these are masters or 
>>> anything, or even one off's, i'm sure they're churned out by somebody 
>>> painting by numbers in a factory somewhere, but under 100quid for a big 
>>> old oil painting doesnt sound bad?
>>>
>>> Anybody come accross these people before?
>>> -- 
>>> Alex
>>>
>>
>>
> "Robert Knowles" <BobKnowles78@hotmaildot.co.dotuk> wrote in message 
> news:8U6dnZtRPqRxn4_eSa8jmA@karoo.co.uk...
>> waste of money, no investment value - use wallpaper instead.
>>
>
> So long as you realise they have no investment value then it is not a 
> "con". If you like the paintings and think they are worth the price then 
> go ahead. A decent print with a limited run can cost 100.
>
>


Sounds like a good deal to me then...  i'm certainly not somebody who would 
even begin to think they would have a clue where to begin investing in art, 
but i think an oil painting would look nicer than a poster :)  What i didnt 
want was to go and find the guy, pay my money and end up with something that 
all the paint fell off, or it exploded, or another "me" appearing... etc.
-- 
Alex

Alex wrote:

> I realise they are just "pictures" not "art", but how much would a
> "proper" oil painting set me back?
>

Real oil paintings by local , unknown but quite talented aritists seem to go 
for any sort of price from 50 up for a titchy canvas up to several hundreds 
for big ones.
-- 
Alex

Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!"
Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk    www.ebayfaq.co.uk

"Alex" <news@al-net.demon.cREMo.uNOSPAMk> wrote in message
news:det1se$s50$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...

> I realise they are just "pictures" not "art", but how much would a
"proper"
> oil painting set me back?


At a general auction house you can pick up decent paintings for aroud 100.
If you buy similar from an artist or gallery expect to pay 300-500

> A decent print with a limited run can cost £100.


Agreed - we have quite a few limited edition prints (mainly of wildlife 
by Dick Van Heerde), and some we bought pre-framed for (several hundred)

We bought a couple more prints and got them framed professionally to the 
same standard, bringing the cost to £200-£250 each.

At the end of the day, buy it because you like it, not because it might 
be worth something in a few years - it almost certainly won`t.

Our gaff needs decorating badly (i`m registered disabled and can`t cope 
with standing up long enough to be able to do it) but a few good prints 
- particularly if they`re framed well - can still make people go "wow" 
when they walk in the room.

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> > I realise they are just "pictures" not "art", but how much would a
> > "proper" oil painting set me back?
> Real oil paintings by local , unknown but quite talented aritists seem to go 
> for any sort of price from £50 up for a titchy canvas up to several hundreds 
> for big ones.


The oil masters of the Dick Van Heerde prints I mentioned earlier go for 
£14,000

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"Alex" <news@al-net.demon.cREMo.uNOSPAMk> wrote in message 
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>I realise they are just "pictures" not "art", but how much would a "proper" 
>oil painting set me back?



As little as 99p on ebay.
Try searching on 'oil painting' or 'original oil painting'

Another idea is to comission a local artist - we did that as a gift for a 
guy leaving work, he did a wonderful large picture of the Jack and Jill 
windmills using watercolours for about 100.

"Alex" <news@al-net.demon.cREMo.uNOSPAMk> wrote in message
news:det1se$s50$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...

> I realise they are just "pictures" not "art", but how much would a
"proper"
> oil painting set me back?
>
> "Robert Knowles" <BobKnowles78@hotmaildot.co.dotuk> wrote in message
> news:8U6dnZtRPqRxn4_eSa8jmA@karoo.co.uk...
> > waste of money, no investment value - use wallpaper instead.
> >
> > "Alex" <news@al-net.demon.cREMo.uNOSPAMk> wrote in message
> > news:desv8o$pmr$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> >> Hiya,
> >>
> >> Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:
> >>
> >> http://www.art4allhome.com/
> >>
> >> They've been knocking around our area and i think, like most, i'm
> >> inclined to instantly assume its a con because somebody dodgy is
knocking
> >> on my door.
> >>
> >> However, having put some thought into it, i cant see where the con is?
> >> Basically they bring you a bunch of oil paintings on canvas and try to
> >> sell you them.  The paintings are apparently under 100quid and from
what
> >> i've seen pretty decent.  Now i dont think these are masters or
anything,
> >> or even one off's, i'm sure they're churned out by somebody painting by
> >> numbers in a factory somewhere, but under 100quid for a big old oil
> >> painting doesnt sound bad?
> >>
> >> Anybody come accross these people before?
> >> -- 
> >> Alex
> >>
> >
> >
>

this is the sort of thing they are selling (Chelford market has a guy
selling them 15+) so 100 is pushing it more than a little
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LARGE-HI-QUALITY-CANVAS-OIL-PAINTINGS-PLUS-BONUS-OFFER_W0QQitemZ7345129914QQcategoryZ20132QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
a real pukka oil painting well there are plenty of programmes on TV Bargain
Hunt etc you could pay as little as 20 troll round the carboots on monday
there should be plenty about and you could get a REAL bargain 'as cheap as
chips'
Derek

>> > "Alex" <news@al-net.demon.cREMo.uNOSPAMk> wrote in message
>> > news:desv8o$pmr$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>> >> Hiya,
>> >>
>> >> Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.art4allhome.com/
>> >>
>> >> They've been knocking around our area and i think, like most, i'm
>> >> inclined to instantly assume its a con because somebody dodgy is
> knocking
>> >> on my door.
>> >>
>> >> However, having put some thought into it, i cant see where the con is?
>> >> Basically they bring you a bunch of oil paintings on canvas and try to
>> >> sell you them.  The paintings are apparently under 100quid and from
> what
>> >> i've seen pretty decent.  Now i dont think these are masters or
> anything,
>> >> or even one off's, i'm sure they're churned out by somebody painting 
>> >> by
>> >> numbers in a factory somewhere, but under 100quid for a big old oil
>> >> painting doesnt sound bad?
>> >>
>> >> Anybody come accross these people before?
>> >> -- 
>> >> Alex
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
> this is the sort of thing they are selling (Chelford market has a guy
> selling them 15+) so 100 is pushing it more than a little
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LARGE-HI-QUALITY-CANVAS-OIL-PAINTINGS-PLUS-BONUS-OFFER_W0QQitemZ7345129914QQcategoryZ20132QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> a real pukka oil painting well there are plenty of programmes on TV 
> Bargain
> Hunt etc you could pay as little as 20 troll round the carboots on monday
> there should be plenty about and you could get a REAL bargain 'as cheap as
> chips'


Looking at ebay 24x36 go for about 60quid with postage, so i guess around 
that would be a fair price :)

thanks all
-- 
Alex

Isn't this the sort of thing the Moonies do?

Nothing wrong with the idea. (Mass produced DVDs and CDs cost about 100
times what they cost to produce once they reach the retailers. Most
decent citizens seem to side with the maffia who control the industry
rather than the pirates who want to take their cut or make their own
copy.)

They might be screen printed with factories set up to segment up the
canvas as described above. But isn't that a work of art?

If not, what is the value of that Rolph Harris project in Edinburgh
really worth?

Alex wrote:

> Hiya,
> 
> Just wondering what you're opinions are on this:
> 
> http://www.art4allhome.com/
> 
> They've been knocking around our area and i think, like most, i'm inclined 
> to instantly assume its a con because somebody dodgy is knocking on my door.
> 
> However, having put some thought into it, i cant see where the con is? 
> Basically they bring you a bunch of oil paintings on canvas and try to sell 
> you them.  The paintings are apparently under 100quid and from what i've 
> seen pretty decent.  Now i dont think these are masters or anything, or even 
> one off's, i'm sure they're churned out by somebody painting by numbers in a 
> factory somewhere, but under 100quid for a big old oil painting doesnt sound 
> bad?
> 
> Anybody come accross these people before?


Not these specific people.....but I tried to identify a Parisien scene a 
few months ago for the father-in-law. The artist's name in the corner 
was a very English sounding name, like Constable or something...;-)
Ended up tracing it to a painting factory in China, where they sold 
literally hundreds of these things, all very similar.  Painting by 
numbers, along with tracing.
Basic idea, they have a stock bank of buildings, trees, views of the 
Eiffel Tower, River Seine etc....all they do is swap them around and 
construct a new picture each time, many of the "views" actually didn't 
exist.
I found a message board where people had picked these things up for 
50pence at car boot sales, but some more unfortunate souls (mostly 
Americans) had paid $1000 and thought they were getting a masterpiece.
Fascinating stuff.

In article <det1se$s50$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, 
news@al-net.demon.cREMo.uNOSPAMk says...

>
>
>I realise they are just "pictures" not "art", but how much would a 
"proper" 
>oil painting set me back?


The value has very little to do with whether it's a oil painting, or 
whether it's a print, a drawing, a watercolour, or whatever. The value 
is a function of its artistic merit and the market value thereof.  And 
there aren't short cuts to a knowledge of that.

Something to brighten up your walls is fine: pay what you think it's 
worth to brighten up your walls. (Maybe the same order of cost as a few 
halogen lamps and some yellow paint.)  But art bought for its intrinsic 
value? No, no, no -- leave it to those who've spent half a lifetime 
learning it. (Not me.)