http://www.gjengangeren.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050825/SPORT/1082970
07

Sport : My daughters work.

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:

>

http://www.gjengangeren.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050825/SPORT/1082970

> 07
>
> Sport : My daughters work.
>
> Edith.


I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the first time in 20
months that something has managed to shut down my browser,

Al




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Alfred Packer wrote:

> The Traveller wrote:
>>
>

http://www.gjengangeren.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050825/SPORT/1082970

>> 07
>>
>> Sport : My daughters work.
>>
>> Edith.
>
> I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the first time in
> 20
> months that something has managed to shut down my browser,


and disconnect my DSL line.

AL




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>> I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the first time in
>> 20
>> months that something has managed to shut down my browser,
>
> and disconnect my DSL line.
>
> AL
>

By any chance your server in New Orleans?  The city is being evacuated. 
Hurricane Katrina is on her way.

Tania

Tania wrote:

>>> I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the first time
>>> in 20
>>> months that something has managed to shut down my browser,
>>
>> and disconnect my DSL line.
>>
>> AL
>>
> By any chance your server in New Orleans?  The city is being
> evacuated. Hurricane Katrina is on her way.
>
> Tania


Nah its just something on that webpage upset Yahoo's version of IE which has
been very stable since I bought the machine in January of last year.  I
thought for one terrible moment that it was the Zorbot worm which shut us
down at work for the best part of a day last week.

Al




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Tania wrote:

>>> I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the first time
>>> in 20
>>> months that something has managed to shut down my browser,
>>
>> and disconnect my DSL line.
>>
>> AL
>>
> By any chance your server in New Orleans?  The city is being
> evacuated. Hurricane Katrina is on her way.
>
> Tania


wow I just looked at an update on Katrina, it looks like bye-bye Sin City.
Hurricanes in Louisiana are always good for hotel business in Texas.

Al




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> Nah its just something on that webpage upset Yahoo's version of IE which 
> has
> been very stable since I bought the machine in January of last year.  I
> thought for one terrible moment that it was the Zorbot worm which shut us
> down at work for the best part of a day last week.
>
> Al
>
>

We have a new home pc.  It came with Norton.  I use AVG on our other 
computers.  This week when the security alerts came out and my internet 
security alert started flashing  I hit the Norton "protect me now" button . 
Big mistake.  Took over two hours to download the update and then the 
computer froze up.  When finally able to restart the computer there was a 
corrupted file.  Symantec sucks.  I'm taking Norton off the new computer and 
replacing it with AVG.

I noticed the Zorbot worm caused some havoc at CNN also.

Tania-still-waiting-for-DSL-in-rural-Arkansas

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
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> The Traveller wrote:
>>
> http://www.gjengangeren.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050825/SPORT/1082970
>> 07
>>
>> Sport : My daughters work.
>>
>> Edith.
>
> I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the first time in 20
> months that something has managed to shut down my browser,
>

Nothing untoward. Just a Norwegian newspaper with a photo of a lot of 
grinning people in a swimming pool, one of which is, if I misread my Norsk 
correctly, is Edith's daughter. I think it's the Horten Swimming Club but 
beyond that I have no idea....

ally

>
> wow I just looked at an update on Katrina, it looks like bye-bye Sin City.
> Hurricanes in Louisiana are always good for hotel business in Texas.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>

Good for hotel business here as well. Going to be so bad in other ways.  One 
third of the US oil comes in from the New Orleans port.  The area is crucial 
to the nation's energy infrastructure.

Lots of people stranded there.  Don't know if they thought it wouldn't be 
this bad or just don't have the means to leave.

Going to be bye-bye for all the gambling "boats" or floating casinos in 
Louisiana and Mississippi too.  Tunica may be history.

Tania

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
> news:1125236866_979@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> > The Traveller wrote:
> >>
> >

http://www.gjengangeren.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050825/SPORT/1082970

> >> 07
> >>
> >> Sport : My daughters work.
> >>
> >> Edith.
> >
> > I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the first time in 20
> > months that something has managed to shut down my browser,
> >
> Nothing untoward. Just a Norwegian newspaper with a photo of a lot of
> grinning people in a swimming pool, one of which is, if I misread my Norsk
> correctly, is Edith's daughter. I think it's the Horten Swimming Club but
> beyond that I have no idea....
>
> ally
>

The whole thing was by my daughter, the writing and photos.

WTF do you mean Al? Is there something wrong with the link and your browser?
Did I cause it to shut down.? I don't understand.

I don't like your WTFs either.
Edith.

On Sunday 28 August 2005 21:48 a l l y wrote:


> 
> "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
> news:1125236866_979@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>> The Traveller wrote:
>>>
>>

http://www.gjengangeren.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050825/SPORT/1082970

>>> 07
>>>
>>> Sport : My daughters work.
>>>
>>> Edith.
>>
>> I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the first time in 20
>> months that something has managed to shut down my browser,
>>
> Nothing untoward. Just a Norwegian newspaper with a photo of a lot of
> grinning people in a swimming pool, one of which is, if I misread my Norsk
> correctly, is Edith's daughter. I think it's the Horten Swimming Club but
> beyond that I have no idea....
> 
> ally


Worked here too. I use konqueror with Linux.

Edgar

> I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the
> first time in 20 months that something has managed to shut
> down my browser, 
> 
> Al


You needed to repair the link first before using it. It shows 
some too small photos of girls in a pool, a lot of unitelligible 
norwegian writing liberally sprinkled with names ending in 
'Nilsberg'.

Johnny-ace-reporter

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> wow I just looked at an update on Katrina, it looks like
> bye-bye Sin City. Hurricanes in Louisiana are always good
> for hotel business in Texas. 
> 
> Al


As of this morning the roof was failing at the Superdome, which 
is inconvenient because 12000 people took refuge there...

Johnny-expecting-remnants-Wednesday-or-Thursday

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> Worked here too. I use konqueror with Linux.
> 
> Edgar 


You are a lot smarter than most of us here.

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the
> > first time in 20 months that something has managed to shut
> > down my browser,
> >
> > Al
>
> You needed to repair the link first before using it. It shows
> some too small photos of girls in a pool, a lot of unitelligible
> norwegian writing liberally sprinkled with names ending in
> 'Nilsberg'.
>
> Johnny-ace-reporter


Whoops Sorry. Did I break it.

Suffering suffragettes - if Al gets a hold of me.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > wow I just looked at an update on Katrina, it looks like
> > bye-bye Sin City. Hurricanes in Louisiana are always good
> > for hotel business in Texas.
> >
> > Al
>
> As of this morning the roof was failing at the Superdome, which
> is inconvenient because 12000 people took refuge there...
>
> Johnny-expecting-remnants-Wednesday-or-Thursday


Oh gees and I'm worried the markis will blow up onto the roof again. Good
luck lads.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Worked here too. I use konqueror with Linux.
> >
> > Edgar
>
> You are a lot smarter than most of us here.
>
> Johnny-Linux-envy


No he isn't. He's still in Surrey.

Edith.

> No he isn't. He's still in Surrey.
> 
> Edith.


Somehow you being in Norway doesn't make me think you are 
smarter than he.

Johnny-also-not-in-Cumbria

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"The Traveller"  wrote in message >>

> The whole thing was by my daughter, the writing and photos.
>

Aha! I see! She's a journalist. Excellent.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:1125329081_1423@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>> > Worked here too. I use konqueror with Linux.
>> >
>> > Edgar
>>
>> You are a lot smarter than most of us here.
>>
>> Johnny-Linux-envy
>
> No he isn't. He's still in Surrey.
>

That's smarter than being in Louisiana right now, I'd suggest...

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >

> Suffering suffragettes - if Al gets a hold of me.
>

Take it to www.makeashorterlink.com and, as they say, 'it won't be long, 
now'...

ally

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the
>>first time in 20 months that something has managed to shut
>>down my browser, 
>>
>>Al
> 
> 
> You needed to repair the link first before using it. It shows 
> some too small photos of girls in a pool, a lot of unitelligible 
> norwegian writing liberally sprinkled with names ending in 
> 'Nilsberg'.
> 
> Johnny-ace-reporter


Yes, there were a couple of letters missing, which could be found on the 
next line. The swomm-ing pictures were pretty good.

Jp

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > No he isn't. He's still in Surrey.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> Somehow you being in Norway doesn't make me think you are
> smarter than he.
>
> Johnny-also-not-in-Cumbria


I know. I am failing and time is short.

Edith-not getting any younger.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message >>
> > The whole thing was by my daughter, the writing and photos.
> >
> Aha! I see! She's a journalist. Excellent.
>
> ally


We both put a piece in the newspaper once in a while, me a poem too but
daughter has the knack of the camera. I can see a good motive but don't want
the technical stuff-UFF! gives me a rash just thinking of it.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:9tWdnV1VPbQW2o7e4p2dnA@telenor.com...
> >
> > <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> > news:1125329081_1423@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >> > Worked here too. I use konqueror with Linux.
> >> >
> >> > Edgar
> >>
> >> You are a lot smarter than most of us here.
> >>
> >> Johnny-Linux-envy
> >
> > No he isn't. He's still in Surrey.
> >
> That's smarter than being in Louisiana right now, I'd suggest...
>
> ally


 So true.

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
> >>I don't know WTF is at the end of that link but its the
> >>first time in 20 months that something has managed to shut
> >>down my browser,
> >>
> >>Al
> >
> >
> > You needed to repair the link first before using it. It shows
> > some too small photos of girls in a pool, a lot of unitelligible
> > norwegian writing liberally sprinkled with names ending in
> > 'Nilsberg'.
> >
> > Johnny-ace-reporter
>
> Yes, there were a couple of letters missing, which could be found on the
> next line. The swomm-ing pictures were pretty good.
>
> Jp


Especially the boy swimming Butterfly, hey.

Edith Prouddatti

> I know. I am failing and time is short.
> 
> Edith-not getting any younger.


So don't squander what's left.

Johnny-good-advice

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a l l y wrote:


>>
> 
> That's smarter than being in Louisiana right now, I'd suggest...
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor 
people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've 
also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.

Jp

>>
>>
> Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor 
> people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've 
> also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
>

I've been sifting through all the online news videos and stuff I can find 
about it, having missed the TV news when it was on. It's awful. I never 
realised most of New Orleans was below sea level though. You hear this word, 
"levee" in songs and never stop to think what it means. Why did they build a 
city in such a vulnerable spot? Anyone know the history of the place? You'd 
think (not knowing anything about it!) there would have been slightly higher 
ground somewhere nearby which would have been more suitable, but still with 
access to the sea and the river.

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> >>
> >>
> > Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor
> > people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've
> > also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
> >
> I've been sifting through all the online news videos and stuff I can find
> about it, having missed the TV news when it was on. It's awful. I never
> realised most of New Orleans was below sea level though. You hear this
word,
> "levee" in songs and never stop to think what it means. Why did they build
a
> city in such a vulnerable spot? Anyone know the history of the place?
You'd
> think (not knowing anything about it!) there would have been slightly
higher
> ground somewhere nearby which would have been more suitable, but still
with
> access to the sea and the river.
>
> ally
>


Most towns are built on river banks and water fronts for access. What is it
one needed to confirm a town? A church, a river a.....I've forgotten. Twernt
5 things. A blanket, a cow, two shoes and a TV - Thank you Thorn.

Edith, going round the bend at the sound on those old black/white films,
especially when women sing...oh mygawd, help!!!!

"a l l y" <> I've been sifting through all the online news videos and stuff 
I can find

> about it, having missed the TV news when it was on. It's awful. I never 
> realised most of New Orleans was below sea level though. You hear this 
> word, "levee" in songs and never stop to think what it means. Why did they 
> build a city in such a vulnerable spot? Anyone know the history of the 
> place? You'd think (not knowing anything about it!) there would have been 
> slightly higher ground somewhere nearby which would have been more 
> suitable, but still with access to the sea and the river.
>
> ally

 And they are still building on fllod planes over here. Mad! Mad !Mad! If 
you check the flood map of the UK my native fens are all below sea level and 
will go under one day.
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/826674/829803/?version=1&lang=_e
Rex.

"Jpinny" <>>

>>
> Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor 
> people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've 
> also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
>
>


The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them all. What does 
the furture hold for New Orleans and the other areas below sea level ?


Rex.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> "a l l y" <> I've been sifting through all the online news videos and
stuff
> I can find
> > about it, having missed the TV news when it was on. It's awful. I never
> > realised most of New Orleans was below sea level though. You hear this
> > word, "levee" in songs and never stop to think what it means. Why did
they
> > build a city in such a vulnerable spot? Anyone know the history of the
> > place? You'd think (not knowing anything about it!) there would have
been
> > slightly higher ground somewhere nearby which would have been more
> > suitable, but still with access to the sea and the river.
> >
> > ally
>  And they are still building on fllod planes over here. Mad! Mad !Mad! If
> you check the flood map of the UK my native fens are all below sea level
and
> will go under one day.
>

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/826674/829803/?version=1
&lang=_e

> Rex.
>

and guess what they'll find down there, oh blimey-read rex' books.

Edith.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny" <>>
> >>
> > Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor
> > people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've
> > also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
> >
> >
>
> The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them all. What does
> the furture hold for New Orleans and the other areas below sea level ?
>
>
> Rex.


A lot of water and a lot of misery poor blighters.

Edith ont top floor.

"The Traveller"

Rex wrote -  And they are still building on fllod planes over here. Mad! Mad 
!Mad! If

>> you check the flood map of the UK my native fens are all below sea level
> and
>> will go under one day.
>>
> http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/826674/829803/?version=1
> &lang=_e

>>
> and guess what they'll find down there, oh blimey-read rex' books.
>
> Edith.



In my book - The Faerie Stone - it was the fen faeries. In the future it 
would be mermaids.

Rex.

Edit,  you must think I'm being idle and just surfing the net today but I'm 
not - not really. I have been engrossed in refitting our upstairs shower 
room and neglecting to print my books. Today I have been forced to spend the 
day book publishing because my stocks are so low. So while the printer 
churns out my lastest literary offering - 'Bits & Pieces, an anthology of my 
published short stories' - I am amusing myself surfing.  Can't be bad.
Hope you have a nice day.

Rex.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"
>
> Rex wrote -  And they are still building on fllod planes over here. Mad!
Mad
> !Mad! If
> >> you check the flood map of the UK my native fens are all below sea
level
> > and
> >> will go under one day.
> >>
> >

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/826674/829803/?version=1

> > &lang=_e
>
> >>
> > and guess what they'll find down there, oh blimey-read rex' books.
> >
> > Edith.
>
>
> In my book - The Faerie Stone - it was the fen faeries. In the future it
> would be mermaids.
>
> Rex.


Chauvinist!

Edith.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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> Edit,  you must think I'm being idle and just surfing the net today but
I'm
> not - not really. I have been engrossed in refitting our upstairs shower
> room and neglecting to print my books. Today I have been forced to spend
the
> day book publishing because my stocks are so low. So while the printer
> churns out my lastest literary offering - 'Bits & Pieces, an anthology of
my
> published short stories' - I am amusing myself surfing.  Can't be bad.
> Hope you have a nice day.
>
> Rex.


Thank you. It's a nightmare. "Bits and Pieces" hey. Ordering one copy now.
Go! Work!

Edith (started on your last book)

"Norcot"  wrote in message 
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> And they are still building on fllod planes over here. Mad! Mad !Mad! If 
> you check the flood map of the UK my native fens are all below sea level 
> and will go under one day.
> http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/826674/829803/?version=1&lang=_e
> Rex.

When Carlisle flooded back in December (a mere trickle compared to what 
those poor Americans are suffering) the local press produced maps of Cumbria 
showing areas vulnerable to flooding. These were mostly areas by the coast 
or along river banks, but a whole lot of Workington was in danger, as well 
as Whitehaven and low-lying parts of Maryport. From our dry vantage point at 
the top of a slope here, we'd have a good view of the poor citizens of 
Allonby fleeing from the flood waters... Nobody's safe though. We'd get the 
full force of any freak winds up here. I can just imagine all the windows 
breaking and the roof flying off.

I think I'll try to appreciate my current security while I've still got it. 
You never know what's round the corner.

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message > When Carlisle 
flooded back in December (a mere trickle compared to what

> those poor Americans are suffering) the local press produced maps of 
> Cumbria showing areas vulnerable to flooding. These were mostly areas by 
> the coast or along river banks, but a whole lot of Workington was in 
> danger, as well as Whitehaven and low-lying parts of Maryport. From our 
> dry vantage point at the top of a slope here, we'd have a good view of the 
> poor citizens of Allonby fleeing from the flood waters... Nobody's safe 
> though. We'd get the full force of any freak winds up here. I can just 
> imagine all the windows breaking and the roof flying off.
>
> I think I'll try to appreciate my current security while I've still got 
> it. You never know what's round the corner.
>
> ally


Good advice. With the changes in  our weather patterns, no-one can be 
complacent but it doesn't do to dwell on these things. When we move - 
hopefully not too far in the distant future - I will consult the flood maps, 
but you have to use your common sense about it. According to the maps almost 
everwhere near a river or the coast, is at risk.

Rex

> The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them
> all. What does the furture hold for New Orleans and the
> other areas below sea level ? 
> 
> 
> Rex. 


Well, my cystal ball is right here. Let's see... Um yes. Yes! 
There! I see it! Water! Lots and lots of water! Lowlands 
everywhere are flooded. Wait! It's changing. Its... its.. its 
freezing! All of England is freezing! It's like the north of 
Canada or Russia. Frozen rivers and snow everywhere. Long cold 
winters. What people remain have to hunt and fish to survive 
because the growing season is so short. Snowmobiles replace 
cars. Beer has to be imported and tastes like crap and costs a 
fortune.

Gosh. What can we do?

Johnny-fun-with-climate-change-predicitions

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them
> > all. What does the furture hold for New Orleans and the
> > other areas below sea level ?
> >
> >
> > Rex.
>
> Well, my cystal ball is right here. Let's see... Um yes. Yes!
> There! I see it! Water! Lots and lots of water! Lowlands
> everywhere are flooded. Wait! It's changing. Its... its.. its
> freezing! All of England is freezing! It's like the north of
> Canada or Russia. Frozen rivers and snow everywhere. Long cold
> winters. What people remain have to hunt and fish to survive
> because the growing season is so short. Snowmobiles replace
> cars. Beer has to be imported and tastes like crap and costs a
> fortune.
>
> Gosh. What can we do?
>
> Johnny-fun-with-climate-change-predicitions


You sound like bluddy Noah. Go look in you 'cystal' ball again.

Edith.

> You sound like bluddy Noah. Go look in you 'cystal' ball
> again. 
> 
> Edith.


I don't have a crystal ball. I just pretended to. I used real 
scientific predictions for climate change in the UK should 
nothing be done about global warming and pollution.

Johnny-no-imagination-actually


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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > You sound like bluddy Noah. Go look in you 'cystal' ball
> > again.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> I don't have a crystal ball. I just pretended to. I used real
> scientific predictions for climate change in the UK should
> nothing be done about global warming and pollution.
>
> Johnny-no-imagination-actually


Clever lad. Tell me Johnny. Do you sleep with your eyes open?

Edwina.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them
>> all. What does the furture hold for New Orleans and the
>> other areas below sea level ?
>>
>>
>> Rex.
>
> Well, my cystal ball is right here. Let's see... Um yes. Yes!
> There! I see it! Water! Lots and lots of water! Lowlands
> everywhere are flooded. Wait! It's changing. Its... its.. its
> freezing! All of England is freezing! It's like the north of
> Canada or Russia. Frozen rivers and snow everywhere. Long cold
> winters. What people remain have to hunt and fish to survive
> because the growing season is so short. Snowmobiles replace
> cars. Beer has to be imported and tastes like crap and costs a
> fortune.
>

Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for some reason is 
becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no change there. (Why on earth do 
people prefer fizzy foreign lager to good tasty British real ale? It's 
beyond me....)

Do you envisage the glaciers returning to the Lake District? All those 
glacial valleys being churned up again by glacial moraines and the lakes 
disappearing under millions of tons of gently moving ice for the next few 
millennia... Maybe I'll be able to walk to Scotland across the frozen 
Solway. That'd be nice.

ally

> Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for
> some reason is becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no
> change there. (Why on earth do people prefer fizzy foreign
> lager to good tasty British real ale? It's beyond me....)
> 
> Do you envisage the glaciers returning to the Lake
> District? All those glacial valleys being churned up again
> by glacial moraines and the lakes disappearing under
> millions of tons of gently moving ice for the next few 
> millennia... Maybe I'll be able to walk to Scotland across
> the frozen Solway. That'd be nice.
> 
> ally 


Good points. There seems to be a conspiracy by many of the 
worlds governments to make their citizenry increasingly stupid. 
Dumbing down of education, mass media intended to dazzle the 
eyes but uninform, telling the people things are better when 
they are worse. I'm sure you've noticed. I think the beer 
behaviour indicates they are having some success.

As for glaciers returning to the Lakes, well that's not the 
theory I was referring to. The Ice Age cycle takes millions of 
years as you know. I'm really referring to global warming and 
pollution levels affecting the salination of the oceans. All 
that fresh water melting from the poles as a result is diluting 
the oceans. There's a natural salinity differential between the 
tropics and the northern oceans which drives the Gulf Stream or 
North Atlantic Drift currents. Unlike the glaciers, it could 
switch off in just a matter of years. Then you people in the UK 
are going to start feeling the real temperatures that other 
places at the same latitude as yourselves feel without the warm 
moderating effects of the Gulf Stream etc.

But you are well informed enough to know these things, right?

Johnny-clarifying

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for
> > some reason is becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no
> > change there. (Why on earth do people prefer fizzy foreign
> > lager to good tasty British real ale? It's beyond me....)
> >
> > Do you envisage the glaciers returning to the Lake
> > District? All those glacial valleys being churned up again
> > by glacial moraines and the lakes disappearing under
> > millions of tons of gently moving ice for the next few
> > millennia... Maybe I'll be able to walk to Scotland across
> > the frozen Solway. That'd be nice.
> >
> > ally
>
> Good points. There seems to be a conspiracy by many of the
> worlds governments to make their citizenry increasingly stupid.
> Dumbing down of education, mass media intended to dazzle the
> eyes but uninform, telling the people things are better when
> they are worse. I'm sure you've noticed. I think the beer
> behaviour indicates they are having some success.
>
> As for glaciers returning to the Lakes, well that's not the
> theory I was referring to. The Ice Age cycle takes millions of
> years as you know. I'm really referring to global warming and
> pollution levels affecting the salination of the oceans. All
> that fresh water melting from the poles as a result is diluting
> the oceans. There's a natural salinity differential between the
> tropics and the northern oceans which drives the Gulf Stream or
> North Atlantic Drift currents. Unlike the glaciers, it could
> switch off in just a matter of years. Then you people in the UK
> are going to start feeling the real temperatures that other
> places at the same latitude as yourselves feel without the warm
> moderating effects of the Gulf Stream etc.
>
> But you are well informed enough to know these things, right?
>
> Johnny-clarifying


I'm not listening to you. I'll listen to you tomorrow.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
news:1125513518_29@spool6-east.superfeed.net...

> Good points. There seems to be a conspiracy by many of the
> worlds governments to make their citizenry increasingly stupid.
> Dumbing down of education, mass media intended to dazzle the
> eyes but uninform, telling the people things are better when
> they are worse. I'm sure you've noticed. I think the beer
> behaviour indicates they are having some success.
>
> As for glaciers returning to the Lakes, well that's not the
> theory I was referring to. The Ice Age cycle takes millions of
> years as you know. I'm really referring to global warming and
> pollution levels affecting the salination of the oceans. All
> that fresh water melting from the poles as a result is diluting
> the oceans. There's a natural salinity differential between the
> tropics and the northern oceans which drives the Gulf Stream or
> North Atlantic Drift currents. Unlike the glaciers, it could
> switch off in just a matter of years. Then you people in the UK
> are going to start feeling the real temperatures that other
> places at the same latitude as yourselves feel without the warm
> moderating effects of the Gulf Stream etc.
>
> But you are well informed enough to know these things, right?
>

Yes. It'd just be bloody cold and horrible. No nice interesting glaciers 
unfortunately.

Long live the Gulf Stream!

ally

> I'm not listening to you. I'll listen to you tomorrow.
> 
> Edith.


Good night, Edith.

Johnny-good-night

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><Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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>> I don't have a crystal ball. I just pretended to. I used real
>> scientific predictions for climate change in the UK should
>> nothing be done about global warming and pollution.


Don't suppose you'd care to reveal your source?


>> Johnny-no-imagination-actually

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>> Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for
>> some reason is becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no
>> change there. (Why on earth do people prefer fizzy foreign
>> lager to good tasty British real ale? It's beyond me....)
>>
>> Do you envisage the glaciers returning to the Lake
>> District? All those glacial valleys being churned up again
>> by glacial moraines and the lakes disappearing under
>> millions of tons of gently moving ice for the next few
>> millennia... Maybe I'll be able to walk to Scotland across
>> the frozen Solway. That'd be nice.
>>
>> ally
>
> Good points. There seems to be a conspiracy by many of the
> worlds governments to make their citizenry increasingly stupid.
> Dumbing down of education, mass media intended to dazzle the
> eyes but uninform, telling the people things are better when
> they are worse. I'm sure you've noticed. I think the beer
> behaviour indicates they are having some success.
>
> As for glaciers returning to the Lakes, well that's not the
> theory I was referring to. The Ice Age cycle takes millions of
> years as you know. I'm really referring to global warming and
> pollution levels affecting the salination of the oceans. All
> that fresh water melting from the poles as a result is diluting
> the oceans. There's a natural salinity differential between the
> tropics and the northern oceans which drives the Gulf Stream or
> North Atlantic Drift currents. Unlike the glaciers, it could
> switch off in just a matter of years. Then you people in the UK
> are going to start feeling the real temperatures that other
> places at the same latitude as yourselves feel without the warm
> moderating effects of the Gulf Stream etc.
>
> But you are well informed enough to know these things, right?
>
> Johnny-clarifying


who watched the movie then?

Al




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Norcot wrote:

> "Jpinny" <>>
>>>
>> Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor
>> people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and
>> I've also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
>>
>>
>
> The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them all. What
> does the furture hold for New Orleans and the other areas below sea
> level ?


a lot of them are about to become Texans.  They're moving the current
occupants of the Superdome to the Astrodome in Houston and Reunion Arena in
Dallas.  To Cumbrians that may seem odd but you need to remember its still
95 degrees f here and in New Orleans and the humidity is very high.  So the
refugees get to move to the largest air conditioned spaces available until
the situation stabilizes.  Their current shelter has become uninhabitable
with no AC, no running water and you can use your imagination as to what the
toilets are like.  In addition to those that are trapped in the Superdome
the powers that be want to evacuate all remaining people out of the city
which may be as high as 100,000.  Just so the relocated feel at home their
"football" team will move to the stadium next to the Astrodome for the first
part of the season at least.

Listening to the radio on the way home a local was saying that the homes in
the city fared better than the suburbs in the initial storm.  In the suburbs
the wind damage wiped many homes off the face of the earth.

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>> You sound like bluddy Noah. Go look in you 'cystal' ball
>> again.
>>
>> Edith.
>
> I don't have a crystal ball. I just pretended to. I used real
> scientific predictions for climate change in the UK should
> nothing be done about global warming and pollution.
>
> Johnny-no-imagination-actually


interesting comment by Daniel Schorr (former CNN correspondent) this
evening.  Remarking on shrub's utterances about intelligent design he said
the designer has some serious errors to answer for recently.  He then went
on to quote from the Wall Street Journal about how the number on hurricanes
and intensity varies with the temperature in the south Pacific, el nino
effect.  The WSJ went on to say this is a natural cycle.  Mr Schorr wondered
why the supporters of intelligent design don't feel inclined to dispute
this!   In the mean time I'm surprised the TV holy rollers haven't blamed
the disaster on all the "fornication and homosexual behavior" in New
Orleans.  After all that's what they blamed the collapse of the World Trade
Center on.

Al




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Norcot wrote:
  >  And they are still building on fllod planes over here. Mad! Mad 
!Mad! If

> you check the flood map of the UK my native fens are all below sea level and 
> will go under one day.
> http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/826674/829803/?version=1&lang=_e
> Rex. 
> 
> 

It makes me wonder how the home insurance companies will take them on. I 
was hearing that the unfortunate folks in Carlisle who were flooded out 
of low-lying areas won't be able to insure themselves until the risk has 
been repaired, which could take years of massive civil engineering which 
may or may not be done.

Jp

Norcot wrote:

> "Jpinny" <>>
> 
>>Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor 
>>people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've 
>>also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them all. What does 
> the furture hold for New Orleans and the other areas below sea level ?
> 
> 
> Rex. 
> 
> 

I saw news coverage this evening showing how the people who are too poor 
to be able to drive out of town, are huddled on the flyovers of the 
motorways in New Orleans. A man had thrown himself off the side in 
despair and his body had a cover thrown over it because it can't be 
taken away. Another woman had been advised to move her husband's body 
further away since it was beginning to smell. It's disgustingly humid in 
New York, a thousand miles north east, like walking into a warm, steamy 
bathroom and your glasses fog up when you go outside, so it must be hell 
on earth for the families on the Gulf coast, where it's still really 
hot. Another couple and their child were pushing their world around in 
shopping trolleys. WalMart were sliding twelve packs of Seven Up under 
their shutters, for fear of letting anyone into the store. One couple 
was talking to reporters and they flagged down an empty flatbed truck 
belonging to some government agency to get a ride out of town. They took 
nothing with them. People are wading around in water where there is 
sewage and decomposing bodies.  You may have seen the picture of the 
woman crying into a piece of torn towel, with her husband's body behind 
her. I noticed that she had two cards with magnetic strips in her shirt 
pocket, which brought it home that this is not the Third World. She 
wouldn't have taken her library card with her. It's America; she had 
MasterCard or Visa, but she was still extremely vulnerable.

And where the hell are the National Guard? Where are the Marines and the 
  Hospital ships? Where are the helicopters? (Iraq!) Where's the 
American Red Cross?  Bush is out there telling ordinary folks to donate 
to a charity.  Excuse me! Where is huge corporate donation? I cannot 
believe that the federal government of the  United States of America can 
do so very little, so very late to help New Orleans!

At my gym today, the manager interrupted the proceedings to advise us to 
fill up with gas today, as the price is set to rise to $4 a gallon 
tomorrow (I paid $2:69 today)  and there is low-level panic on Long 
Island. The current British petrol price translates as $7:50 a gallon.

It does give one pause for thought about how these levees could have 
been strengthened, in much the same way as the amazing flood surge 
defence system that the Dutch built after their catastrophic floods of 
the 1950's. London has done it, too.  The inhabitants of the Gulf area 
know they get hurricanes. We're talking about one of the most charming 
cities in the richest country in the world outside China.Presumably it 
wasn't a profitable enough venture to improve surge defences. That's 
what happens with "Small" government.

Jp

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them
>>all. What does the furture hold for New Orleans and the
>>other areas below sea level ? 
>>
>>
>>Rex. 
> 
> 
> Well, my cystal ball is right here. Let's see... Um yes. Yes! 
> There! I see it! Water! Lots and lots of water! Lowlands 
> everywhere are flooded. Wait! It's changing. Its... its.. its 
> freezing! All of England is freezing! It's like the north of 
> Canada or Russia. Frozen rivers and snow everywhere. Long cold 
> winters. What people remain have to hunt and fish to survive 
> because the growing season is so short. Snowmobiles replace 
> cars. Beer has to be imported and tastes like crap and costs a 
> fortune.
> 
> Gosh. What can we do?
> 
> Johnny-fun-with-climate-change-predicitions



That sounds awfully like global freezing or an Ice Age, Johnny. That's 
kinda normal. There were no Hummers back in the last Ice Age.

Jp

a l l y wrote:


> Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for some reason is 
> becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no change there. (Why on earth do 
> people prefer fizzy foreign lager to good tasty British real ale? It's 
> beyond me....)
> 
> Do you envisage the glaciers returning to the Lake District? All those 
> glacial valleys being churned up again by glacial moraines and the lakes 
> disappearing under millions of tons of gently moving ice for the next few 
> millennia... Maybe I'll be able to walk to Scotland across the frozen 
> Solway. That'd be nice.

> ally \


You'll probably be on your pension before that, Ally.

Jp

> 
> 

Sleepalot wrote:

>><Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
>>news:1125499061_1821@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> 
> 
>>>I don't have a crystal ball. I just pretended to. I used real
>>>scientific predictions for climate change in the UK should
>>>nothing be done about global warming and pollution.
> 
> 
> Don't suppose you'd care to reveal your source?
> 
> 
>>>Johnny-no-imagination-actually
> 
> (If Jonny replies, I'll need someone to echo his reply -
> his posts don't show up on my server.)
> 
> 
> 

Really? I get everything, I think.  I can usually come up with something 
inane to respond to him. I'll take Edith as my inspiration and reply 
with at least an "Oh!" Wouldn't want to you to miss anything.

Jp

><Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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<irony alert>

>> Good points. There seems to be a conspiracy by many of the
>> worlds governments to make their citizenry increasingly stupid.
>> Dumbing down of education, mass media intended to dazzle the
>> eyes but uninform, telling the people things are better when
>> they are worse. I'm sure you've noticed. I think the beer
>> behaviour indicates they are having some success.
>>
>> As for glaciers returning to the Lakes, well that's not the
>> theory I was referring to. The Ice Age cycle takes millions of
>> years as you know.


"The geological record from deep ocean cores suggests
that within the last 1.8Ma (million years) there may have been
no fewer than 17 major glacial-interglacial cycles, with the last
3 major glacial stages having been particularly severe." 

"To a first approximation, (...) the major glacial-intergalcial
periods seem to fit a 100 thousand year cycle but in fact the
pattern is not as regular as that. Interglacial intervals are of
varying lengths, sometimes 30 thousand years or less.
The present interglacial period had lasted approximately 
10 thousand years (...)."

(Answer to ITQ27)
"By summing the width of the peaks in figure 47, that rise
above the present day temperature line, the percentage
of the last 400 thousand years that had a climate as warm
or warmer than today can be estimated at 10 -20%. This 
means that we live in a relatively warm part of the Quaternary
Ice Age. No further  complaints about the weather please!"

(Source: Open University S102 A Science Foundation Course
Units 28 - 29 Geological time and Earth history.) 


> I'm really referring to global warming and
>> pollution levels affecting the salination of the oceans. All
>> that fresh water melting from the poles as a result is diluting
>> the oceans. 


Oh please! If you take a litre of sea water, and add a litre 
of fresh water, you'll have two pints of salt water!
Why do I say that? Because fresh water has a maximum
salinity of 3g/kg  [1] and sea water has between 33 and
37 g/kg.
[1] g/kg = grams of salt per kg

But the situation is nowhere near a pint for pint scenerio.
The distribution of water (by volume) is thus:-
Oceans and sea ice 97.957%
Clouds                              0.001%
Surface fresh water       0.036%
Groundwater (fresh)      0.365%
Glaciers and ice caps  1.641%

And _don't even think_ about all that ice melting in a single
summer - the additional heat needed would be unimagineable!
(See Specific heat capacity of water, and latent heat of melting)


>There's a natural salinity differential between the
>> tropics and the northern oceans which drives the Gulf Stream or
>> North Atlantic Drift currents. Unlike the glaciers, it could
>> switch off in just a matter of years.


Nonsense! So long as the equator is warmer than the poles,
the atlantic ocean will circulate. (Indeed, if you look at a map
showing the extent of Atlantic sea ice during the last ice age,
you will see evidence that the ocean was circulating then. 
(And if the Atlantic ocean circulates during ice ages, then
ipso facto, ice ages cannot be initiated by the collapse of
oceanic circulation!))

And so long as the Earth is spinning, the oceans will circulate
(see Coriolis force. Yes, I know the Coriolis force is very weak,
but then, so is lunar gravity at the surface of the Earth (about
g/360) and consider what effect _that_ has on oceans!)

And then there's the wind. All that heat and spinning drives
the atmosphere which also contributes to the circulation
of the Atlantic. The wind also plays a part in changing the
salinity of the ocean.)

Yes, I'm aware of the contribution that salt makes
to the circulation of the Atlantic, but the fact that it's called
the _thermo-haline cycle_ should tell you there's more to
it than salt.


> Then you people in the UK
>> are going to start feeling the real temperatures that other
>> places at the same latitude as yourselves feel without the warm
>> moderating effects of the Gulf Stream etc.
>>
>> But you are well informed enough to know these things, right?

Ho hum
>>
>> Johnny-clarifying
>

Sleepy-clarifying

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his posts don't show on my server. Thank you.


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Alfred Packer wrote:

> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
> 
>>>You sound like bluddy Noah. Go look in you 'cystal' ball
>>>again.
>>>
>>>Edith.
>>
>>I don't have a crystal ball. I just pretended to. I used real
>>scientific predictions for climate change in the UK should
>>nothing be done about global warming and pollution.
>>
>>Johnny-no-imagination-actually
> 
> 
> interesting comment by Daniel Schorr (former CNN correspondent) this
> evening.  Remarking on shrub's utterances about intelligent design he said
> the designer has some serious errors to answer for recently.  He then went
> on to quote from the Wall Street Journal about how the number on hurricanes
> and intensity varies with the temperature in the south Pacific, el nino
> effect.  The WSJ went on to say this is a natural cycle.  Mr Schorr wondered
> why the supporters of intelligent design don't feel inclined to dispute
> this!   In the mean time I'm surprised the TV holy rollers haven't blamed
> the disaster on all the "fornication and homosexual behavior" in New
> Orleans.  After all that's what they blamed the collapse of the World Trade
> Center on.
> 
> Al


Maybe it is part of a natural cycle. But it beggars belief that anyone 
with an IQ over 120 and an education to 18 can actually believe the 
Intelligent Design "notion". As an educator, I cannot grace it with the 
term "theory".

The late, but very great Douglas Adams recognised the fundamental flaw 
in the idea of "Intelligent Design"  which upholds the notion that since 
the Earth is perfect for humans, it was designed specially for them. 
Adams said: '. . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking; 
"This is an interesting hole I find myself in. It fits me rather neatly, 
doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well. It must have been made 
to have me in it!"

I love it.

Jp

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for
>>some reason is becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no
>>change there. (Why on earth do people prefer fizzy foreign
>>lager to good tasty British real ale? It's beyond me....)
>>
>>Do you envisage the glaciers returning to the Lake
>>District? All those glacial valleys being churned up again
>>by glacial moraines and the lakes disappearing under
>>millions of tons of gently moving ice for the next few 
>>millennia... Maybe I'll be able to walk to Scotland across
>>the frozen Solway. That'd be nice.
>>
>>ally 
> 
> 
> Good points. There seems to be a conspiracy by many of the 
> worlds governments to make their citizenry increasingly stupid. 
> Dumbing down of education, mass media intended to dazzle the 
> eyes but uninform, telling the people things are better when 
> they are worse. I'm sure you've noticed. I think the beer 
> behaviour indicates they are having some success.
> 
> As for glaciers returning to the Lakes, well that's not the 
> theory I was referring to. The Ice Age cycle takes millions of 
> years as you know. I'm really referring to global warming and 
> pollution levels affecting the salination of the oceans. All 
> that fresh water melting from the poles as a result is diluting 
> the oceans. There's a natural salinity differential between the 
> tropics and the northern oceans which drives the Gulf Stream or 
> North Atlantic Drift currents. Unlike the glaciers, it could 
> switch off in just a matter of years. Then you people in the UK 
> are going to start feeling the real temperatures that other 
> places at the same latitude as yourselves feel without the warm 
> moderating effects of the Gulf Stream etc.
> 
> But you are well informed enough to know these things, right?
> 
> Johnny-clarifying


That was very well put, Johnny.

Jp

a l l y wrote:

>> Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor
>> people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and
>> I've also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
>>
> I've been sifting through all the online news videos and stuff I can
> find about it, having missed the TV news when it was on. It's awful.
> I never realised most of New Orleans was below sea level though. You
> hear this word, "levee" in songs and never stop to think what it
> means. Why did they build a city in such a vulnerable spot? Anyone
> know the history of the place? You'd think (not knowing anything
> about it!) there would have been slightly higher ground somewhere
> nearby which would have been more suitable, but still with access to
> the sea and the river.
>
> ally


It may be their own undoing.  Someone explained it on the radio yesterday.
What they implied was that all the levees and canals and water pumping that
has gone on has actually lowered the ground level.  We have a similar
situation around here where pumping of the underground aquiifiers has
resulted in subsidence and there is now a massive effort underway to switch
to above ground water supplies which may involve laying monster pipes 100
miles or so to the east.

Al




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Jpinny wrote:

>
> And where the hell are the National Guard?


On their way back from Iraq.


> Where's the American Red Cross?


Most of them are in Houston unable to move to New Orleans until the locals
give the go ahead.  Both airports are still under water.  As of 7 am Wed
there were 5000 Red Cross workers assembled in Houston.  A problem is I10
has been damaged in a major way through the swamps as has the causeway
across Lake Ponchatrain so that would mean leave the major route into NO as
US90 through the south which is where a lot of strom damage occured.  Rail
links are also damaged and can't be inspected or repaired until the water
subsides.



> Bush is out there telling ordinary folks to
> donate to a charity.  Excuse me! Where is huge corporate donation? I
> cannot believe that the federal government of the  United States of
> America can do so very little, so very late to help New Orleans!


Bush senior go a major ass kicking after hurricane Andrew levelled
Homestead, Florida because the feds were so ill prepared and didn't react to
the crisis.

Ford or GM donated 1/2 million yesterday or earlier today.  After lambasting
shrub, as only a leftist Latin American dictator can, Chavez of Venezuela
ordered the state owned oil company (Citgo in US) to donate $1million to
disaster relief and offered to send food, cheap gas and aid workers to New
Orleans.  The silence from Exxon Mobil is deafening, well except for the
sound of cash registers.



> It does give one pause for thought about how these levees could have
> been strengthened, in much the same way as the amazing flood surge
> defence system that the Dutch built after their catastrophic floods of
> the 1950's. London has done it, too.  The inhabitants of the Gulf area
> know they get hurricanes.


yup and I for one am pissed off that people are allowed to build homes 10
feet from the beach, shutting off access to the great unwashed who have to
pay inflated insurance premiums when these 1/2 million $$$$ follies are
destroyed in a storm.  After the last major storm in 2003 my premiums
doubled to pay for their mistakes.  I chose to live in this location because
its far enough away from the coast that I'm immune to tidal surge and the
winds from one hurricane we had dissipated to the point that damage to the
house was zero.


> We're talking about one of the most charming
> cities in the richest country in the world outside China.Presumably it
> wasn't a profitable enough venture to improve surge defences. That's
> what happens with "Small" government.


in Louisiana nothing gets done without a permit and no permits get issued
without every open palm being greased extensively on several occasions.
When every palm has been greased there are usually insufficient funds left
to complete the job or its so far overbudget that completion takes years or
decades longer than any other place in the country.  The looting gives you
some idea of how things get done.  The levees were only designed for a
category 3 storm.

In the time I've lived here I've seen one hurricane and two severe tropical
storms nothing like Katrina which can only be compared to the Galveston
Storm of 1900 which killed 9000 or Camille in the early '60s.  After the
storms the locals had the world running again in a few days.  I somehow get
the impression that if it was left to the Louisiana local govt they'd be
issueing permits to leave.  OTOH our locals and or the Feds have got two air
conditioned arenas set up with camp beds and 475 buses lined up to shuttle
the refugees the 400+ miles.  We even gave their footbal team a temporary
home and the local schools are enrolling refugee children for the duration.

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Jpinny wrote:

> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
>>> The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them
>>> all. What does the furture hold for New Orleans and the
>>> other areas below sea level ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Rex.
>>
>>
>> Well, my cystal ball is right here. Let's see... Um yes. Yes!
>> There! I see it! Water! Lots and lots of water! Lowlands
>> everywhere are flooded. Wait! It's changing. Its... its.. its
>> freezing! All of England is freezing! It's like the north of
>> Canada or Russia. Frozen rivers and snow everywhere. Long cold
>> winters. What people remain have to hunt and fish to survive
>> because the growing season is so short. Snowmobiles replace
>> cars. Beer has to be imported and tastes like crap and costs a
>> fortune.
>>
>> Gosh. What can we do?
>>
>> Johnny-fun-with-climate-change-predicitions
>
>
> That sounds awfully like global freezing or an Ice Age, Johnny. That's
> kinda normal. There were no Hummers back in the last Ice Age.
>
> Jp


no it sounds like the plot for "The Day After Tomorrow".

Al

PS - if you detect signs or symptoms leave immediately, you can be our pet
refugees.  Since Canucks have been generally rude about us they won't be
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> Norcot wrote:
>   >  And they are still building on fllod planes over here. Mad! Mad 
> !Mad! If
> > you check the flood map of the UK my native fens are all below sea level and 
> > will go under one day.
> > http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/826674/829803/?version=1&lang=_e
> > Rex. 
> > 
> > 
> It makes me wonder how the home insurance companies will take them on. I 
> was hearing that the unfortunate folks in Carlisle who were flooded out 
> of low-lying areas won't be able to insure themselves until the risk has 
> been repaired, which could take years of massive civil engineering which 
> may or may not be done.
> 
> Jp


In the US Home Owners insurance does not cover floods. Period.  You have
a seperate flood insurance and that's a government inusrance policy,
seperate from home owners.  Most people do not have it.  If you do.
Well, then
you pay dearly for it.  Check your policy or ask your broker.  You are
not covered in an event of a flood. The reason seems to be that people
buy on coastal areas and known places that are in the path of
hurricanes,such as Florida, in the hopes of cashing in on insurance
money so no
insurance company will cover it now.


Tania


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> Edit,  you must think I'm being idle and just surfing the net today but I'm 
> not - not really. I have been engrossed in refitting our upstairs shower 
> room and neglecting to print my books. Today I have been forced to spend the 
> day book publishing because my stocks are so low. So while the printer 
> churns out my lastest literary offering - 'Bits & Pieces, an anthology of my 
> published short stories' - I am amusing myself surfing.  Can't be bad.
> Hope you have a nice day.
> 
> Rex.



Can I order your books direct?

Tania


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> 
> ><Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> >news:1125499061_1821@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> 
> >> I don't have a crystal ball. I just pretended to. I used real
> >> scientific predictions for climate change in the UK should
> >> nothing be done about global warming and pollution.
> 
> Don't suppose you'd care to reveal your source?
> 
> >> Johnny-no-imagination-actually
> (If Jonny replies, I'll need someone to echo his reply -
> his posts don't show up on my server.)


No posts are showing up from anyone this evening via my local server and
outlook express.
Hence, Mailgate.  It's been so long since I've used it, it's taking some
getting used to.

Tania




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Faye King wrote:


> In the US Home Owners insurance does not cover floods. Period.  You have
> a seperate flood insurance and that's a government inusrance policy,
> seperate from home owners.  Most people do not have it.  If you do.
> Well, then
> you pay dearly for it.  Check your policy or ask your broker.  You are
> not covered in an event of a flood. The reason seems to be that people
> buy on coastal areas and known places that are in the path of
> hurricanes,such as Florida, in the hopes of cashing in on insurance
> money so no
> insurance company will cover it now.
> 
> 
> Tania
> 



Thanks. Yes, I've chatted with my AllState Broker about this.

Jp

Alfred Packer wrote:

> Jpinny wrote:
> 
>>Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
>>
>>>>The newsreels have been horrific. My heart goes out to them
>>>>all. What does the furture hold for New Orleans and the
>>>>other areas below sea level ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rex.
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, my cystal ball is right here. Let's see... Um yes. Yes!
>>>There! I see it! Water! Lots and lots of water! Lowlands
>>>everywhere are flooded. Wait! It's changing. Its... its.. its
>>>freezing! All of England is freezing! It's like the north of
>>>Canada or Russia. Frozen rivers and snow everywhere. Long cold
>>>winters. What people remain have to hunt and fish to survive
>>>because the growing season is so short. Snowmobiles replace
>>>cars. Beer has to be imported and tastes like crap and costs a
>>>fortune.
>>>
>>>Gosh. What can we do?
>>>
>>>Johnny-fun-with-climate-change-predicitions
>>
>>
>>That sounds awfully like global freezing or an Ice Age, Johnny. That's
>>kinda normal. There were no Hummers back in the last Ice Age.
>>
>>Jp
> 
> 
> no it sounds like the plot for "The Day After Tomorrow".
> 
> Al
> 
> PS - if you detect signs or symptoms leave immediately, you can be our pet
> refugees.  Since Canucks have been generally rude about us they won't be
> welcome ;-)


I just read Michael Chrichton's latest novel, "State of Fear". Blame that.

Jp

>In the mean time I'm surprised the TV holy rollers haven't blamed
> the disaster on all the "fornication and homosexual behavior" in New
> Orleans.  After all that's what they blamed the collapse of the World Trade
> Center on.
> 
> Al
> 
> 

Give them time.  

Tania-don't-forget-Voodoo



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Jpinny  wrote:


>Really? I get everything, I think.  I can usually come up with something 
>inane to respond to him. I'll take Edith as my inspiration and reply 
>with at least an "Oh!" Wouldn't want to you to miss anything.
>
>Jp


Many thanks.


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"Alfred Packer"  wrote:


>interesting comment by Daniel Schorr (former CNN correspondent) this
>evening.  Remarking on shrub's utterances about intelligent design he said
>the designer has some serious errors to answer for recently.  


The thing to remember about "intelligent design" is
that the design only _seems_ intelligent, because 
the theory's proponents are such utter morons.


>He then went
>on to quote from the Wall Street Journal about how the number on hurricanes
>and intensity varies with the temperature in the south Pacific, el nino
>effect.  The WSJ went on to say this is a natural cycle.  Mr Schorr wondered
>why the supporters of intelligent design don't feel inclined to dispute
>this!  


"Intelligent design" wasn't intended to explain the weather (that's
more of a "the problem of evil" thing), it's repakaged creationism
to compete with the Theory of Evolution. 


> In the mean time I'm surprised the TV holy rollers haven't blamed
>the disaster on all the "fornication and homosexual behavior" in New
>Orleans.  After all that's what they blamed the collapse of the World Trade
>Center on.
>

They surely will. 


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> Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for some reason is 
> becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no change there. (Why on earth do 
> people prefer fizzy foreign lager to good tasty British real ale? It's 
> beyond me....)


This person doesn't. Please send care pakage....

> 


Tania


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Alfred Packer wrote:

> Jpinny wrote:
> 
>>And where the hell are the National Guard?
> 
> 
> On their way back from Iraq.
> 
> 
>>Where's the American Red Cross?
> 
> 
> Most of them are in Houston unable to move to New Orleans until the locals
> give the go ahead.  Both airports are still under water.  As of 7 am Wed
> there were 5000 Red Cross workers assembled in Houston.  A problem is I10
> has been damaged in a major way through the swamps as has the causeway
> across Lake Ponchatrain so that would mean leave the major route into NO as
> US90 through the south which is where a lot of strom damage occured.  Rail
> links are also damaged and can't be inspected or repaired until the water
> subsides.
> 
> 
> 
>>Bush is out there telling ordinary folks to
>>donate to a charity.  Excuse me! Where is huge corporate donation? I
>>cannot believe that the federal government of the  United States of
>>America can do so very little, so very late to help New Orleans!
> 
> 
> Bush senior go a major ass kicking after hurricane Andrew levelled
> Homestead, Florida because the feds were so ill prepared and didn't react to
> the crisis.
> 
> Ford or GM donated 1/2 million yesterday or earlier today.  After lambasting
> shrub, as only a leftist Latin American dictator can, Chavez of Venezuela
> ordered the state owned oil company (Citgo in US) to donate $1million to
> disaster relief and offered to send food, cheap gas and aid workers to New
> Orleans.  The silence from Exxon Mobil is deafening, well except for the
> sound of cash registers.
> 
> 
> 
>>It does give one pause for thought about how these levees could have
>>been strengthened, in much the same way as the amazing flood surge
>>defence system that the Dutch built after their catastrophic floods of
>>the 1950's. London has done it, too.  The inhabitants of the Gulf area
>>know they get hurricanes.
> 
> 
> yup and I for one am pissed off that people are allowed to build homes 10
> feet from the beach, shutting off access to the great unwashed who have to
> pay inflated insurance premiums when these 1/2 million $$$$ follies are
> destroyed in a storm.  After the last major storm in 2003 my premiums
> doubled to pay for their mistakes.  I chose to live in this location because
> its far enough away from the coast that I'm immune to tidal surge and the
> winds from one hurricane we had dissipated to the point that damage to the
> house was zero.
> 
> 
>>We're talking about one of the most charming
>>cities in the richest country in the world outside China.Presumably it
>>wasn't a profitable enough venture to improve surge defences. That's
>>what happens with "Small" government.
> 
> 
> in Louisiana nothing gets done without a permit and no permits get issued
> without every open palm being greased extensively on several occasions.
> When every palm has been greased there are usually insufficient funds left
> to complete the job or its so far overbudget that completion takes years or
> decades longer than any other place in the country.  The looting gives you
> some idea of how things get done.  The levees were only designed for a
> category 3 storm.
> 
> In the time I've lived here I've seen one hurricane and two severe tropical
> storms nothing like Katrina which can only be compared to the Galveston
> Storm of 1900 which killed 9000 or Camille in the early '60s.  After the
> storms the locals had the world running again in a few days.  I somehow get
> the impression that if it was left to the Louisiana local govt they'd be
> issueing permits to leave.  OTOH our locals and or the Feds have got two air
> conditioned arenas set up with camp beds and 475 buses lined up to shuttle
> the refugees the 400+ miles.  We even gave their footbal team a temporary
> home and the local schools are enrolling refugee children for the duration.
> 
> Al
> 


Viva Chavez and (sticking in my craw as the driver of a Pontiac Grand 
Am) Viva GM. I've been buying Citgo gas since I heard about it on Air 
America Radio.

It's wonderful that there is so much on hand for the refugess - of 
course, that doesn't make it onto TV news which airs in 1300 miles away 
in NY.

I heard that the cops and firefighters had simply gone into one store 
and helped themselves.

Jp

Faye King wrote:

>>Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for some reason is 
>>becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no change there. (Why on earth do 
>>people prefer fizzy foreign lager to good tasty British real ale? It's 
>>beyond me....)
> 
> 
> This person doesn't. Please send care pakage....
> 
> 
> Tania
> 
> 

It's a bit heavy, Tania. I brought 4 huge bottles of Jennings back to 
the USA with me, and it nearly gave me a hernia.

Jp

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> a lot of them are about to become Texans.  



And Arkansans.  Others are being sent to Fort Chaffee (I heard today,
not sure how many). It's so old and
in need of repair.  The poor souls that find their selves there will be
without good air ducts and old wooden buildings.  Elvis got his
historic Army haircut there!  That's how old the buildings are.  The
site hasn't been used for something like this since the Vietnamese were
housed here during the 70s.

Watched the first buses roll in to Texas on 
CNN tonight.

Tania

Ps.  Arkansas is still playing their first out of town football game of
the
season in Baton Rouge.  It was suppose to be with LSU I believe.  It
still may be. Not a football fan.  I did hear this... All there are
going to wear mardi gras beads to show support....whatever!  Can't
believe they are still playing.










 


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"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> WalMart were sliding twelve packs of Seven Up under 
> their shutters, for fear of letting anyone into the store

> Wal-Mart did donate 1 million to the Salvation Army. As of right now

that's all I've heard of in the form of corp donations. Hell, why didn't
they just lift the shutters and open the doors and take it as a loss?

Tania


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"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> > But you are well informed enough to know these things, right?
> >
> Yes. It'd just be bloody cold and horrible. No nice interesting glaciers
> unfortunately.
>
> Long live the Gulf Stream!
>
> ally
>

With the North Pole just around the corner, I'll second that.

Edith

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > I'm not listening to you. I'll listen to you tomorrow.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> Good night, Edith.
>
> Johnny-good-night>


Good morning, Johnny. Hope you have a nice day today.

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> > 
> > This person doesn't. Please send care pakage....
> > 
> > 
> > Tania
> > 
> > 
> It's a bit heavy, Tania. I brought 4 huge bottles of Jennings back to 
> the USA with me, and it nearly gave me a hernia.
> 
> Jp



Ha!  Very funny.

Tania 


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On Thursday 01 September 2005 01:56 Alfred Packer wrote:

8><------------

> 
> It may be their own undoing.  Someone explained it on the radio yesterday.
> What they implied was that all the levees and canals and water pumping
> that
> has gone on has actually lowered the ground level.  We have a similar
> situation around here where pumping of the underground aquiifiers has
> resulted in subsidence and there is now a massive effort underway to
> switch to above ground water supplies which may involve laying monster
> pipes 100 miles or so to the east.
> 
> Al
> 

A similar thing happened in fenland where drainage for farming has lowered
the land. This can be seen at Wicken Fen, a National Trust piece of old
undrained fen. You can walk about damp soggy paths through the fen but when
you get to the edge the surrounding dry countryside lies many feet lower. A
similar thing is the raised mosses of Cumberland (Al, you probably know
some of these).

Edgar

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Big snip:

> It does give one pause for thought about how these levees could have
> been strengthened, in much the same way as the amazing flood surge
> defence system that the Dutch built after their catastrophic floods of
> the 1950's. London has done it, too.  The inhabitants of the Gulf area
> know they get hurricanes. We're talking about one of the most charming
> cities in the richest country in the world outside China.Presumably it
> wasn't a profitable enough venture to improve surge defences. That's
> what happens with "Small" government.
>
> Jp


There have been many presidents since the 50s and still nothing done. It
takes a catastrophe to wake some people. I saw the devastation on the World
News last nigh. Horrific.
Funny enough CNN has been removed from our tv package. Irritating, you get a
list and cross off the programmes you wish for, it's passed by the commity,
a few months go by-and then the tv firm start mixing and trixing. I've
wondered about that. Who the hell makes the rules. You never get what you
pay for in this 'nisse' land.

Sorry for changing the subject.
Edit

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Sleepalot wrote:
> >><Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> >>news:1125499061_1821@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >
> >
> >>>I don't have a crystal ball. I just pretended to. I used real
> >>>scientific predictions for climate change in the UK should
> >>>nothing be done about global warming and pollution.
> >
> >
> > Don't suppose you'd care to reveal your source?
> >
> >
> >>>Johnny-no-imagination-actually
> >
> > (If Jonny replies, I'll need someone to echo his reply -
> > his posts don't show up on my server.)
> >
> >
> >
> Really? I get everything, I think.  I can usually come up with something
> inane to respond to him. I'll take Edith as my inspiration and reply
> with at least an "Oh!" Wouldn't want to you to miss anything.
>
> Jp


Oh, Johnny has been watching National Geographic, or summet.

Edith-fourth floor-just saw a Haddock swim by.

Oh, I, hum, well, I can tell you people one thing that you don't know and
that is, that the salt water in the Oslo fjord tastes less of salt than the
Mediterranean around Mallorca does and that's a fact. :oP

Clarifyingly,
Edith

"Faye King"  wrote in message
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> > Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for some reason is
> > becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no change there. (Why on earth
do
> > people prefer fizzy foreign lager to good tasty British real ale? It's
> > beyond me....)
>
> This person doesn't. Please send care pakage....
> >
>
> Tania


Bless you. You've sent care packages all over the place and never received
any yourself. What say we all send a little thingie to Tania? Just one
little thingie, hey? NO! Not beer. It will explode in the cabin.

Edith.

"Faye King"  wrote in message
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> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:0rtRe.3873$bT1.1413@fe08.lga
>
> > WalMart were sliding twelve packs of Seven Up under
> > their shutters, for fear of letting anyone into the store
>
> > Wal-Mart did donate 1 million to the Salvation Army. As of right now
> that's all I've heard of in the form of corp donations. Hell, why didn't
> they just lift the shutters and open the doors and take it as a loss?
>
> Tania


That's what I was thinking, Tania. Immediate help. Getting money together
for the after math could take weeks/month.

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Alfred Packer wrote:
> > Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
> >
> >>>You sound like bluddy Noah. Go look in you 'cystal' ball
> >>>again.
> >>>
> >>>Edith.
> >>
> >>I don't have a crystal ball. I just pretended to. I used real
> >>scientific predictions for climate change in the UK should
> >>nothing be done about global warming and pollution.
> >>
> >>Johnny-no-imagination-actually
> >
> >
> > interesting comment by Daniel Schorr (former CNN correspondent) this
> > evening.  Remarking on shrub's utterances about intelligent design he
said
> > the designer has some serious errors to answer for recently.  He then
went
> > on to quote from the Wall Street Journal about how the number on
hurricanes
> > and intensity varies with the temperature in the south Pacific, el nino
> > effect.  The WSJ went on to say this is a natural cycle.  Mr Schorr
wondered
> > why the supporters of intelligent design don't feel inclined to dispute
> > this!   In the mean time I'm surprised the TV holy rollers haven't
blamed
> > the disaster on all the "fornication and homosexual behavior" in New
> > Orleans.  After all that's what they blamed the collapse of the World
Trade
> > Center on.
> >
> > Al
>
> Maybe it is part of a natural cycle. But it beggars belief that anyone
> with an IQ over 120 and an education to 18 can actually believe the
> Intelligent Design "notion". As an educator, I cannot grace it with the
> term "theory".
>
> The late, but very great Douglas Adams recognised the fundamental flaw
> in the idea of "Intelligent Design"  which upholds the notion that since
> the Earth is perfect for humans, it was designed specially for them.
> Adams said: '. . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking;
> "This is an interesting hole I find myself in. It fits me rather neatly,
> doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well. It must have been made
> to have me in it!"
>
> I love it.
>
> Jp


No wonder we had the Hippie movement in the 60s. This 'design thing' gives
one a feeling of intense restrained straight-jacket profundo.

Edith in Norway-breath deeply in. Now, let it out slowly.

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>> Edit,  you must think I'm being idle and just surfing the net today but 
>> I'm
>> not - not really. I have been engrossed in refitting our upstairs shower
>> room and neglecting to print my books. Today I have been forced to spend 
>> the
>> day book publishing because my stocks are so low. So while the printer
>> churns out my lastest literary offering - 'Bits & Pieces, an anthology of 
>> my
>> published short stories' - I am amusing myself surfing.  Can't be bad.
>> Hope you have a nice day.
>>
>> Rex.
>
>
> Can I order your books direct?
>
> Tania
>

If you are interested, drop me an email to the yahoo box with a current 
email address and I will send you a list of titles etc.

Rex.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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> Oh, I, hum, well, I can tell you people one thing that you don't know and
> that is, that the salt water in the Oslo fjord tastes less of salt than 
> the
> Mediterranean around Mallorca does and that's a fact. :oP
>

That's probably pollution you were tasting, Edith. Actually, haven't I heard 
something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost* 
landlocked? Dunno. I'm keeping out of these technical arguments. You need a 
science degree to contribute...

ally

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >

> Oh please! If you take a litre of sea water, and add a litre
> of fresh water, you'll have two pints of salt water!


Er... did you mean two _litres_ of salt water, or was there some subtle 
point, that I missed, to your mixed imperial and metric measures...?

;-)

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>
> You'll probably be on your pension before that, Ally.
>

Hmm. The first Scottish pensioner to walk back home across the frozen 
Solway, eh? They might feature me in the local press (again). Gosh.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Faye King"  wrote in message
> news:85eea995d459e638f1010d6168463273.59711@mygate.mailgate.org...
>> > Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for some reason is
>> > becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no change there. (Why on earth
> do
>> > people prefer fizzy foreign lager to good tasty British real ale? It's
>> > beyond me....)
>>
>> This person doesn't. Please send care pakage....
>> >
>>
>> Tania
>
> Bless you. You've sent care packages all over the place and never received
> any yourself. What say we all send a little thingie to Tania? Just one
> little thingie, hey? NO! Not beer. It will explode in the cabin.
>

They laid telephone cables under the Atlantic. Isn't it time to lay a real 
ale pipeline?

ally

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
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> PS - if you detect signs or symptoms leave immediately, you can be our pet
> refugees.  Since Canucks have been generally rude about us they won't be
> welcome ;-)
>

To be fair, I come from a nation who have been extremely rude to their 
southern neighbours for centuries, and yet when I moved here to live amongst 
them, they couldn't have been more welcoming. I hate to have to admit it, 
but... er... most English people are actually rather nice.... er... 
<blushing... >

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message >
> > Oh please! If you take a litre of sea water, and add a litre
> > of fresh water, you'll have two pints of salt water!
>
> Er... did you mean two _litres_ of salt water, or was there some subtle
> point, that I missed, to your mixed imperial and metric measures...?
>
> ;-)
>
> ally


Personally I think Sleepy should use less vinegar on his poutine and more
salt on his chips, yes and that, in theory, is a fact.

Running for the nearest door with a bolt on.
Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:eutRe.3875$bT1.3598@fe08.lga...
> >
> > You'll probably be on your pension before that, Ally.
> >
> Hmm. The first Scottish pensioner to walk back home across the frozen
> Solway, eh? They might feature me in the local press (again). Gosh.
>
> ally


Big head. I hope yer crutches breck.

Edith running for t'nearest portal with a pad lock. Them Scotes are
dengerus.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:WsKdnS3iYML9PIveRVnzvA@telenor.com...
> >
> > "Faye King"  wrote in message
> > news:85eea995d459e638f1010d6168463273.59711@mygate.mailgate.org...
> >> > Hmm. Well imported beer already tastes like crap but for some reason
is
> >> > becoming increasingly popular anyway. So no change there. (Why on
earth
> > do
> >> > people prefer fizzy foreign lager to good tasty British real ale?
It's
> >> > beyond me....)
> >>
> >> This person doesn't. Please send care pakage....
> >> >
> >>
> >> Tania
> >
> > Bless you. You've sent care packages all over the place and never
received
> > any yourself. What say we all send a little thingie to Tania? Just one
> > little thingie, hey? NO! Not beer. It will explode in the cabin.
> >
> They laid telephone cables under the Atlantic. Isn't it time to lay a real
> ale pipeline?
>
> ally


Ho! That's disgusting. Then we'd get that awful beer poured onto our
doorsteps from Canada-yuk-puke-vomit.
Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
> news:1125543759_815@spool6->
> > PS - if you detect signs or symptoms leave immediately, you can be our
pet
> > refugees.  Since Canucks have been generally rude about us they won't be
> > welcome ;-)
> >
> To be fair, I come from a nation who have been extremely rude to their
> southern neighbours for centuries, and yet when I moved here to live
amongst
> them, they couldn't have been more welcoming. I hate to have to admit it,
> but... er... most English people are actually rather nice.... er...
> <blushing... >
>
> ally


I know. I know. We're wonderful. Heis The Union Jack.

Edith FROM CUMBRIA

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:dMSdnfGoj8VPBoveRVnzvA@telenor.com...
> > Oh, I, hum, well, I can tell you people one thing that you don't know
and
> > that is, that the salt water in the Oslo fjord tastes less of salt than
> > the
> > Mediterranean around Mallorca does and that's a fact. :oP
> >
> That's probably pollution you were tasting, Edith. Actually, haven't I
heard
> something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost*
> landlocked? Dunno. I'm keeping out of these technical arguments. You need
a
> science degree to contribute...
>
> ally


I suppose 'brakk vann' has something to do with something or summet.

Edith.

pst! That'll give them something to analyze hihihi.

"> >

> > Can I order your books direct?
> >
> > Tania
> >
> If you are interested, drop me an email to the yahoo box with a current 
> email address and I will send you a list of titles etc.
> 
> Rex.



Thanks.

Tania


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"The Traveller"  wrote in message
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> 
> Bless you. You've sent care packages all over the place and never received
> any yourself. What say we all send a little thingie to Tania? Just one
> little thingie, hey? NO! Not beer. It will explode in the cabin.
> 
> Edith.



You are so sweet, Edith.   I've received a couple of unique items.  

Oh, fine!  But, Jennings wrapped in shredded paper should make the
flight without going KaBoom. I understand you not wanting to take a
chance on making a scene though. 

Tania-likes-beer


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"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> They laid telephone cables under the Atlantic. Isn't it time to lay a real 
> ale pipeline?
> 
> ally



I like the way you think.

Tania


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"The Traveller"  wrote in message
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> Ho! That's disgusting. Then we'd get that awful beer poured onto our
> doorsteps from Canada-yuk-puke-vomit.
> Edith.



Molson's is OK.  When you don't have anything better.

Tania


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"a l l y"  wrote:


>
>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >
>> Oh please! If you take a litre of sea water, and add a litre
>> of fresh water, you'll have two pints of salt water!
>
>Er... did you mean two _litres_ of salt water, or was there some subtle 
>point, that I missed, to your mixed imperial and metric measures...?
>
>;-)
>

That was just a test to make sure you were taking it all in.
Well done, Ally!  :-P


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"The Traveller"  wrote in message
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> That's what I was thinking, Tania. Immediate help. Getting money together
> for the after math could take weeks/month.
> 
> Edith.


There are people sitting in totally devastated Mississippi neighborhoods
a hundred miles inland.  They have nothing. CNN reported yesterday that
it may take 3-4 more days before FEMA can reach them.  You know the
local Wal-Mart has insurance.  And what they can salvage they will be
selling in a marked down tent sale after insurance has already paid
(probably in my neighborhood).
Why not distribute what they can to these people instead.

Tania






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"a l l y"  wrote:


>Actually, haven't I heard 
>something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost* 
>landlocked? Dunno.


It's also nice and warm, which means lots of evaporation.


> I'm keeping out of these technical arguments. 


Aww, please don't.


>You need a science degree to contribute...


No you don't, I didn't even finish that first year OU course.



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"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
>>Actually, haven't I heard
>>something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost*
>>landlocked? Dunno.
>
> It's also nice and warm, which means lots of evaporation.
>
>> I'm keeping out of these technical arguments.
>
> Aww, please don't.
>
>>You need a science degree to contribute...
>
> No you don't, I didn't even finish that first year OU course.
>

Well, I've got Scottish Highers in Chemistry and Biology, and an O-Grade in 
Physics. Any use?

ally

> Al
> 
> PS - if you detect signs or symptoms leave immediately, you
> can be our pet refugees.  Since Canucks have been generally
> rude about us they won't be welcome ;-)


You're absolute right on the money Al. Canucks are learning to 
not love their neighbours having loved them blindly for about 
50 years.

Canada's prosperity, and in particular forest products and 
agriculture (farmers) is being destroyed by US policies. And 
the average citizen of Canada is fed up.

We have taken thousands of unfair American trade issues to the 
world court and, more recently, resorted to arbitration under 
the Free Trade Agreement. In every case, and there have been  
thousands in the past twenty years, the rulings were in favour 
of Canada. But in zero cases has the US changed it's policies.

The US says 'Screw you' even when ruled against by the 
arbitration boards of organisations they have joined, signed 
treaties under, and sworn to abide.

Today's headline in Ottawa papers: US Ambassador says no new 
negotiation on Canada-US trade disagreements until the crisis 
in New Orleans is over.

I don't believe for one minute the small handfull of 
bureaucrats who negotiate Canadian trade agreements in 
Washington are rushing to Louisianna to help out. They are 
shamfully using it as a convenient stalling tactic. It's on 
par with looting if you ask me.

Regardless, Canadians will be there to help the New Orleans 
relief efforts. I found this article in a quick google search.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/08/31/1196404-cp.html

I haven't heard one American report on the aid from Canada. I 
have heard American media cynically comment that after all the 
things America does for other countries, there will be no one 
coming to their aid in this crisis. And that wasn't even FOX! 
That was CNN! It's complete nonsense and uniformed 
isolationist bullshit thinking, but that's what's getting the 
airtime.

So yeah, we're getting ruder all the time.

Johnny-ranting

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> "The geological record from deep ocean cores suggests
> that within the last 1.8Ma (million years) there may have
> been no fewer than 17 major glacial-interglacial cycles,
> with the last 3 major glacial stages having been
> particularly severe." 
> 
> "To a first approximation, (...) the major
> glacial-intergalcial periods seem to fit a 100 thousand
> year cycle but in fact the pattern is not as regular as
> that. Interglacial intervals are of varying lengths,
> sometimes 30 thousand years or less. The present
> interglacial period had lasted approximately 10 thousand
> years (...)." 
> 
> (Answer to ITQ27)
> "By summing the width of the peaks in figure 47, that rise
> above the present day temperature line, the percentage
> of the last 400 thousand years that had a climate as warm
> or warmer than today can be estimated at 10 -20%. This 
> means that we live in a relatively warm part of the
> Quaternary Ice Age. No further  complaints about the
> weather please!" 
> 
> (Source: Open University S102 A Science Foundation Course
> Units 28 - 29 Geological time and Earth history.) 
> 
>> I'm really referring to global warming and
>>> pollution levels affecting the salination of the oceans.
>>> All that fresh water melting from the poles as a result
>>> is diluting the oceans. 
> 
> Oh please! If you take a litre of sea water, and add a
> litre of fresh water, you'll have two pints of salt water!
> Why do I say that? Because fresh water has a maximum
> salinity of 3g/kg  [1] and sea water has between 33 and
> 37 g/kg.
> [1] g/kg = grams of salt per kg
> 
> But the situation is nowhere near a pint for pint scenerio.
> The distribution of water (by volume) is thus:-
> Oceans and sea ice 97.957%
> Clouds                              0.001%
> Surface fresh water       0.036%
> Groundwater (fresh)      0.365%
> Glaciers and ice caps  1.641%
> 
> And _don't even think_ about all that ice melting in a
> single summer - the additional heat needed would be
> unimagineable! (See Specific heat capacity of water, and
> latent heat of melting) 
> 
>>There's a natural salinity differential between the
>>> tropics and the northern oceans which drives the Gulf
>>> Stream or North Atlantic Drift currents. Unlike the
>>> glaciers, it could switch off in just a matter of years.
> 
> Nonsense! So long as the equator is warmer than the poles,
> the atlantic ocean will circulate. (Indeed, if you look at
> a map showing the extent of Atlantic sea ice during the
> last ice age, you will see evidence that the ocean was
> circulating then. (And if the Atlantic ocean circulates
> during ice ages, then ipso facto, ice ages cannot be
> initiated by the collapse of oceanic circulation!))
> 
> And so long as the Earth is spinning, the oceans will
> circulate (see Coriolis force. Yes, I know the Coriolis
> force is very weak, but then, so is lunar gravity at the
> surface of the Earth (about g/360) and consider what effect
> _that_ has on oceans!) 
> 
> And then there's the wind. All that heat and spinning
> drives the atmosphere which also contributes to the
> circulation of the Atlantic. The wind also plays a part in
> changing the salinity of the ocean.)
> 
> Yes, I'm aware of the contribution that salt makes
> to the circulation of the Atlantic, but the fact that it's
> called the _thermo-haline cycle_ should tell you there's
> more to it than salt.
> 
>> Then you people in the UK
>>> are going to start feeling the real temperatures that
>>> other places at the same latitude as yourselves feel
>>> without the warm moderating effects of the Gulf Stream
>>> etc. 
>>>
>>> But you are well informed enough to know these things,
>>> right? 
> 
> Ho hum
>>>
>>> Johnny-clarifying
>>
> Sleepy-clarifying
> 
> PS. If Jonny replies, please will someone echo it as
> his posts don't show on my server. Thank you.


What a day to engage in a decent debate. I haven't had two 
seconds to play here today. Sorry Sleepy. When I posted that 
stuff, I was summarising from my extremely crappy memory what 
I have been interested in reading about for many years. And I 
wasn't attempting to be accurate. Just doing my bit adding 
what I could to the gloom and doom atmosphere of the moment! 
(I had an employee come up to me today and actually say 'I'm 
depressed. The world's in such bad shape.' She's young... I 
told her it's always been that way. It's just a bit more 
obvious today.)

I don't have time to take you on point-to-point but I did a 
quick google and this web page seems to have the right 
headline. It might be total envirnmentalist crap but it does 
show I didn't make the subject up. People are discussing this 
out there.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=910
&category=Environment

Nice to see that everyone else picked up the slack today and 
that you had a good rant yourself. Hope your feeling better. 
I've got a slight chest pain today...

And that's before I ranted to Al about the yanks! Couldn't 
resist.

Johnny-works-too-much

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> Personally I think Sleepy should use less vinegar on his
> poutine and more salt on his chips, yes and that, in
> theory, is a fact. 
> 
> Running for the nearest door with a bolt on.
> Edith.


Well said, Edith.

Johnny-low-carb

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> No you don't, I didn't even finish that first year OU
> course. 


I'd give you an honourary degree if I ran a university. May two. 
One for science and one for theology.

Johnny-not-a-chancellor

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> They laid telephone cables under the Atlantic. Isn't it
> time to lay a real ale pipeline?
> 
> ally 


Now that's inspired thinking. Ally for president of the Trans-
Atlantic Real Ale Pipelines Corporation!

Johnny-nominator

PS - It only matters that you whip up a frenzy with your great 
idea then issue an IPO. Then you can runaway with the money!

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> Molson's is OK.  When you don't have anything better.
> 
> Tania


I've gone off it. I used to work for them and got free beer. But 
now I only drink imported. Besides, they "merged" with Coors 
last year. They're not really Canadian anymore.

Johnny-can't-recommend-Molson's

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a l l y wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:dMSdnfGoj8VPBoveRVnzvA@telenor.com...
>> Oh, I, hum, well, I can tell you people one thing that you don't
>> know and that is, that the salt water in the Oslo fjord tastes less
>> of salt than the
>> Mediterranean around Mallorca does and that's a fact. :oP
>>
> That's probably pollution you were tasting, Edith. Actually, haven't
> I heard something about the Med being very salty because of being
> *almost* landlocked? Dunno. I'm keeping out of these technical
> arguments. You need a science degree to contribute...
>
> ally


I found the Persiam Gulf to be exceedingly salty not just because of
evaporation but also because of the damn great desalination plant just down
the road pumping brine back into the sea,

Al



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Faye King wrote:

  > Watched the first buses roll in to Texas on

> CNN tonight.
> 
> Tania
> 
> Ps.  Arkansas is still playing their first out of town football game of
> the
> season in Baton Rouge.  It was suppose to be with LSU I believe.  It
> still may be. Not a football fan.  I did hear this... All there are
> going to wear mardi gras beads to show support....whatever!  Can't
> believe they are still playing.
> 


One of my fellow soccer moms who is originally from New Orleans hasn't 
heard from her sister in two days, her brother is stuck with $60 and 1/4 
tank of gas and his house gone, and her husband is trying to get down to 
Baton Rouge to find his own brother.  His mother has dead bodies 
floating in the backyard.

Jp

a l l y wrote:

> "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
> news:1125543759_815@spool6->
> 
>>PS - if you detect signs or symptoms leave immediately, you can be our pet
>>refugees.  Since Canucks have been generally rude about us they won't be
>>welcome ;-)
>>
> 
> To be fair, I come from a nation who have been extremely rude to their 
> southern neighbours for centuries, and yet when I moved here to live amongst 
> them, they couldn't have been more welcoming. I hate to have to admit it, 
> but... er... most English people are actually rather nice.... er... 
> <blushing... >
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

I remember my Scottish friends returning from their holidays in 
Scarborough, shortly after the set-up of the Scottish Parliament, and 
they remarked that the English people were acting a bit miffed.

I can't speak for an entire nation, but as a half-breed, I know that it 
bloody hurts to love Scotland and to know that, even though I had a 
Scottish Mum and loads of lovely Scottish friends my English birthplace 
made me fair game for creepy-sick anonymous taunts and, by an ignorant 
youth, a physical attack on two of my family (one of whom was Scots born.)


Jp

Faye King wrote:


>>It's a bit heavy, Tania. I brought 4 huge bottles of Jennings back to 
>>the USA with me, and it nearly gave me a hernia.
>>
>>Jp
> 
> 
> 
> Ha!  Very funny.
> 
> Tania 
> 
> 

It was true!! I had overweight stickers on my case. But they didn't 
bother charging me. Philly's cool.

But all the beer's gone by now!

Jp

"a l l y"  wrote:


>>>You need a science degree to contribute...
>>
>> No you don't, I didn't even finish that first year OU course.
>>
>Well, I've got Scottish Highers in Chemistry and Biology, and an O-Grade in 
>Physics. Any use?
>

Well there ya go - you out-qualify me: I've only got 'O' level chem.,
phys. and bio. (I've also got a BTEC in telecomms, but that's not 
going to give me an edge, is it?)

(I'm assuming a Scottish Highers is like an English 'A' Level.)

So, I'll bet you can tell us the three ingredients necessary to
the "light reaction" side of photosynthesis.


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Faye King wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:WsKdnS3iYML9PIveRVnzvA@telenor.com
> 
> 
>>Bless you. You've sent care packages all over the place and never received
>>any yourself. What say we all send a little thingie to Tania? Just one
>>little thingie, hey? NO! Not beer. It will explode in the cabin.
>>
>>Edith.
> 
> 
> 
> You are so sweet, Edith.   I've received a couple of unique items.  
> 
> Oh, fine!  But, Jennings wrapped in shredded paper should make the
> flight without going KaBoom. I understand you not wanting to take a
> chance on making a scene though. 
> 
> Tania-likes-beer
> 
> 


:-) My four pints didn't. My bottle of Champagne didn't either......


Jp

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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
>>Actually, haven't I heard
>>something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost*
>>landlocked? Dunno.
>

 I'm inclined to think its not salt at all, but probably chemical lavatory 
cleaners and the like, which get flushed into the med.


Rex.  BSc  PhC  MRPharmS  O level in plumbing.

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> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:iOmdnUQE-qordove4p2dnA@telenor.com
>
> > Ho! That's disgusting. Then we'd get that awful beer poured onto our
> > doorsteps from Canada-yuk-puke-vomit.
> > Edith.
>
>
> Molson's is OK.  When you don't have anything better.
>
> Tania


Morning Tania. It's 9am here and raining. I've never tasted US or Canada
beer before. I was just joking about the quality and taste. I remember on
M/S Bergensfjord-Norway/USA line that the crew drank St Miguel and something
with a picture of horses on the bottle.
Last night I was at a jazz concert, yes, me, jazz. Orlando was sound
technician. "Kvalda," a Finnish group were performing, very good music and I
had a black coffee and a good cognac. That's more to my taste. I only swill
down lager to get drunk-OOPS!

Edith

ps: Orlando has a sound job on Saturday night. Guess what. A punk group are
playing two sets and in the interval they're showing football on a big
screne. Isn't that just awful. What a mix. I certainly won't be there. It's
a night in for me, empanadas and a cuppa tea.

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >
> >> Oh please! If you take a litre of sea water, and add a litre
> >> of fresh water, you'll have two pints of salt water!
> >
> >Er... did you mean two _litres_ of salt water, or was there some subtle
> >point, that I missed, to your mixed imperial and metric measures...?
> >
> >;-)
> >
> That was just a test to make sure you were taking it all in.
> Well done, Ally!  :-P
>
>
> --
> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>

Liters = A metric unit of capacity equal to the volume of 1 kilogram of pure
water at 4 degrees centigrade and 760 mm of mercury (or approximately 1.76
pints)

Well done, Edith.

Edwina

"Faye King"  wrote in message
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> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:GaCdnayWo98IPove4p2dnA@telenor.com
>
> > That's what I was thinking, Tania. Immediate help. Getting money
together
> > for the after math could take weeks/month.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> There are people sitting in totally devastated Mississippi neighborhoods
> a hundred miles inland.  They have nothing. CNN reported yesterday that
> it may take 3-4 more days before FEMA can reach them.  You know the
> local Wal-Mart has insurance.  And what they can salvage they will be
> selling in a marked down tent sale after insurance has already paid
> (probably in my neighborhood).
> Why not distribute what they can to these people instead.
>
> Tania


Jesus Christ! Where is he when you need him. The American Air Force could
fly over and drop food parcels. Chocolate. Water. Anything edible within 10
minutes. ..................Sorry for the outburst.

Edith

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
> >Actually, haven't I heard
> >something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost*
> >landlocked? Dunno.
>
> It's also nice and warm, which means lots of evaporation.
>
> > I'm keeping out of these technical arguments.
>
> Aww, please don't.
>
> >You need a science degree to contribute...
>
> No you don't, I didn't even finish that first year OU course.
>

 > Sleepalot   aa #1385

>

Yeah but, you're brainy. We're not all blessed. My veranda water evaporates,
rises and drips down from the ceiling again-so there. Oh bollocks, did I say
verandah again.

Edith

On Friday 02 September 2005 08:03 Norcot wrote:


> 
> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message
> news:6v6eh11olasv9jf6hb7q14vdgsaic6nhhf@4ax.com...
>> "a l l y"  wrote:
>>
>>>Actually, haven't I heard
>>>something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost*
>>>landlocked? Dunno.
>>
>  I'm inclined to think its not salt at all, but probably chemical lavatory
> cleaners and the like, which get flushed into the med.
> 
> 
> Rex.  BSc  PhC  MRPharmS  O level in plumbing.


Especially what passed before the cleaner.

Edgar

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message
> news:6v6eh11olasv9jf6hb7q14vdgsaic6nhhf@4ax.com...
> > "a l l y"  wrote:
> >
> >>Actually, haven't I heard
> >>something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost*
> >>landlocked? Dunno.
> >
> > It's also nice and warm, which means lots of evaporation.
> >
> >> I'm keeping out of these technical arguments.
> >
> > Aww, please don't.
> >
> >>You need a science degree to contribute...
> >
> > No you don't, I didn't even finish that first year OU course.
> >
> Well, I've got Scottish Highers in Chemistry and Biology, and an O-Grade
in
> Physics. Any use?
>
> ally


I don't really know ouwt about biology and such. All I know is, every time I
hung my panties on the line beside my hubby's underpants, I got pregnant.

Big difference between fact and theory gawdam.
Edith

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Faye King wrote:
>
>   > Watched the first buses roll in to Texas on
> > CNN tonight.
> >
> > Tania
> >
> > Ps.  Arkansas is still playing their first out of town football game of
> > the
> > season in Baton Rouge.  It was suppose to be with LSU I believe.  It
> > still may be. Not a football fan.  I did hear this... All there are
> > going to wear mardi gras beads to show support....whatever!  Can't
> > believe they are still playing.
> >
>
> One of my fellow soccer moms who is originally from New Orleans hasn't
> heard from her sister in two days, her brother is stuck with $60 and 1/4
> tank of gas and his house gone, and her husband is trying to get down to
> Baton Rouge to find his own brother.  His mother has dead bodies
> floating in the backyard.
>
> Jp


That's awful, Jp.

Edith

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> a l l y wrote:
> > "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
> > news:1125543759_815@spool6->
> >
> >>PS - if you detect signs or symptoms leave immediately, you can be our
pet
> >>refugees.  Since Canucks have been generally rude about us they won't be
> >>welcome ;-)
> >>
> >
> > To be fair, I come from a nation who have been extremely rude to their
> > southern neighbours for centuries, and yet when I moved here to live
amongst
> > them, they couldn't have been more welcoming. I hate to have to admit
it,
> > but... er... most English people are actually rather nice.... er...
> > <blushing... >
> >
> > ally
> >
> >
> I remember my Scottish friends returning from their holidays in
> Scarborough, shortly after the set-up of the Scottish Parliament, and
> they remarked that the English people were acting a bit miffed.
>
> I can't speak for an entire nation, but as a half-breed, I know that it
> bloody hurts to love Scotland and to know that, even though I had a
> Scottish Mum and loads of lovely Scottish friends my English birthplace
> made me fair game for creepy-sick anonymous taunts and, by an ignorant
> youth, a physical attack on two of my family (one of whom was Scots born.)
>
> Jp


Some members of my family experienced the same thing. They moved south of
the border to find safety-only a few years back. It's sad.

Edith.

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
> >>>You need a science degree to contribute...
> >>
> >> No you don't, I didn't even finish that first year OU course.
> >>
> >Well, I've got Scottish Highers in Chemistry and Biology, and an O-Grade
in
> >Physics. Any use?
> >
> Well there ya go - you out-qualify me: I've only got 'O' level chem.,
> phys. and bio. (I've also got a BTEC in telecomms, but that's not
> going to give me an edge, is it?)
>
> (I'm assuming a Scottish Highers is like an English 'A' Level.)
>
> So, I'll bet you can tell us the three ingredients necessary to
> the "light reaction" side of photosynthesis.
>
> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>

Easy. Light, warmth and super glue oh yes, and a squeegie. Gawd I'm good.

Edith Profetionally.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message
> news:6v6eh11olasv9jf6hb7q14vdgsaic6nhhf@4ax.com...
> > "a l l y"  wrote:
> >
> >>Actually, haven't I heard
> >>something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost*
> >>landlocked? Dunno.
> >
>  I'm inclined to think its not salt at all, but probably chemical lavatory
> cleaners and the like, which get flushed into the med.
>
>
> Rex.  BSc  PhC  MRPharmS  O level in plumbing.

"Edgar Iredale" <edgar@iredale-we.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Friday 02 September 2005 08:03 Norcot wrote:
>
> >
> > "Sleepalot"  wrote in message
> > news:6v6eh11olasv9jf6hb7q14vdgsaic6nhhf@4ax.com...
> >> "a l l y"  wrote:
> >>
> >>>Actually, haven't I heard
> >>>something about the Med being very salty because of being *almost*
> >>>landlocked? Dunno.
> >>
> >  I'm inclined to think its not salt at all, but probably chemical
lavatory
> > cleaners and the like, which get flushed into the med.
> >
> >
> > Rex.  BSc  PhC  MRPharmS  O level in plumbing.
>
> Especially what passed before the cleaner.
>
> Edgar


Dutty old southerners.

Edwina.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:ENednXJQh_q->

> I don't really know ouwt about biology and such. All I know is, every time 
> I
> hung my panties on the line beside my hubby's underpants, I got pregnant.
>

So... given that you have two children, I take it you only washed your 
knickers twice all the time you were married? Bloody hell we've got a right 
grubby bint here, eh?

ally

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >

> (I'm assuming a Scottish Highers is like an English 'A' Level.)


Similar. In some people's opinion, better. So of course they're being 
changed...


>
> So, I'll bet you can tell us the three ingredients necessary to
> the "light reaction" side of photosynthesis.
>

Oh bloody hell this was a long time ago. I'd have to work it out from first 
principles. Er... water, sunlight and probably CO2? Something like that.

ally

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >

>> (I'm assuming a Scottish Highers is like an English 'A' Level.)
>
> Similar. In some people's opinion, better. So of course they're
> being changed...
>
>>
>> So, I'll bet you can tell us the three ingredients necessary to
>> the "light reaction" side of photosynthesis.
>>


Sun, soil and a plant...

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:ENednXJQh_q->
> > I don't really know ouwt about biology and such. All I know is, every
time
> > I
> > hung my panties on the line beside my hubby's underpants, I got
pregnant.
> >
> So... given that you have two children, I take it you only washed your
> knickers twice all the time you were married? Bloody hell we've got a
right
> grubby bint here, eh?
>
> ally


No. I just stopped wearing them. That's why I keep sending them to you. Much
safer.

Edith.

"Dirty Sanchez"  wrote in message
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> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message >
> >> (I'm assuming a Scottish Highers is like an English 'A' Level.)
> >
> > Similar. In some people's opinion, better. So of course they're
> > being changed...
> >
> >>
> >> So, I'll bet you can tell us the three ingredients necessary to
> >> the "light reaction" side of photosynthesis.
> >>
>
> Sun, soil and a plant...


Harpics?
I always thought it was, sugar-warmth and water :0)))

Edith.

"Alfred Packer"  wrote:

>
>I found the Persiam Gulf to be exceedingly salty not just because of
>evaporation but also because of the damn great desalination plant just down
>the road pumping brine back into the sea,
>
>Al


Well if you're daft enough to drink it, Al, you've only 
yerself to blame. ;-)


-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

a l l y wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:ENednXJQh_q->
> 
>>I don't really know ouwt about biology and such. All I know is, every time 
>>I
>>hung my panties on the line beside my hubby's underpants, I got pregnant.
>>
> 
> So... given that you have two children, I take it you only washed your 
> knickers twice all the time you were married? Bloody hell we've got a right 
> grubby bint here, eh?
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

What a wonderful turn of phrase, Ally! I come here to top up my Queen's 
English.

Jp

a l l y wrote:

> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message >
> 
>>(I'm assuming a Scottish Highers is like an English 'A' Level.)
> 
> 
> Similar. In some people's opinion, better. So of course they're being 
> changed...
> 
> 
>>So, I'll bet you can tell us the three ingredients necessary to
>>the "light reaction" side of photosynthesis.
>>
> 
> Oh bloody hell this was a long time ago. I'd have to work it out from first 
> principles. Er... water, sunlight and probably CO2? Something like that.
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Sounds sort of right to me. I can't remember the When's Sleepy going to 
mark your paper?

'O' Level Biology (way back when) : 6 molecules of water plus 6 
molecules of carbon dioxide produce one molecule of sugar plus six 
molecules of oxygen: 6 H2O (Water) + 6 CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) + Light --> 
C6 H12 O6 (Glucose) + 6 O2 (Oxygen)

Mrs p Primary 7 Science.

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "Alfred Packer"  wrote:
> >
> >I found the Persiam Gulf to be exceedingly salty not just because of
> >evaporation but also because of the damn great desalination plant just
down
> >the road pumping brine back into the sea,
> >
> >Al
>
> Well if you're daft enough to drink it, Al, you've only
> yerself to blame. ;-)
>
> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>

Did you swim in it, Al?

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> a l l y wrote:
> > "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:ENednXJQh_q->
> >
> >>I don't really know ouwt about biology and such. All I know is, every
time
> >>I
> >>hung my panties on the line beside my hubby's underpants, I got
pregnant.
> >>
> >
> > So... given that you have two children, I take it you only washed your
> > knickers twice all the time you were married? Bloody hell we've got a
right
> > grubby bint here, eh?
> >
> > ally
> >
> >
> What a wonderful turn of phrase, Ally! I come here to top up my Queen's
> English.
>
> Jp


add nitty and gritty and Bob's yer uncle.

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:

> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message
> news:ogffh1tevs1bk46a1a0o918347m1ckbhrc@4ax.com...
>> "Alfred Packer"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I found the Persiam Gulf to be exceedingly salty not just because of
>>> evaporation but also because of the damn great desalination plant
>>> just down the road pumping brine back into the sea,
>>>
>>> Al
>>
>> Well if you're daft enough to drink it, Al, you've only
>> yerself to blame. ;-)
>>
>> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>>
> Did you swim in it, Al?
>
> Edith.


tried but it was too shallow, probably polluted, and there was no beach only
limestone which was exceedingly painful on the feet.  It was funny to watch
the local females wading into the sea in their best sexy black abayahs.

There are two types of water come out of the taps, raw water ie.desal, and
drinking water.  The former can be used for washing clothes dishes, showers
etc.  Its slightly salty.  I made the mistake, twice, of making a bowl of
Knorr soup using a powder mix.  The ultimate cleanser.

Al




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"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>>
> Sounds sort of right to me. I can't remember the When's Sleepy going to 
> mark your paper?
>
> 'O' Level Biology (way back when) : 6 molecules of water plus 6 molecules 
> of carbon dioxide produce one molecule of sugar plus six molecules of 
> oxygen: 6 H2O (Water) + 6 CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) + Light --> C6 H12 O6 
> (Glucose) + 6 O2 (Oxygen)
>
> Mrs p Primary 7 Science.


You did that stuff in **P7**??? Gosh.

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>
> What a wonderful turn of phrase, Ally! I come here to top up my Queen's 
> English.
>

Heh heh. You can tell my mother was an English teacher, can't you?

ally-mother-rotating-under-the-soil

Jpinny  wrote:


>Sounds sort of right to me. I can't remember the When's Sleepy going to 
>mark your paper?


Clearly the anticipation is getting to you. ;-)


-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

"a l l y"  wrote:


>
>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >
>> (I'm assuming a Scottish Highers is like an English 'A' Level.)
>
>Similar. In some people's opinion, better. So of course they're being 
>changed...


So you're _even more_ qualified.


>> So, I'll bet you can tell us the three ingredients necessary to
>> the "light reaction" side of photosynthesis.
>>
>Oh bloody hell this was a long time ago. I'd have to work it out from first 
>principles. Er... water, sunlight and probably CO2? Something like that.
>

You see! You're so much smarter than me that you knew to
answer the question I should've asked rather than the one
I did ask (which involves ATP and NADPH and not (I think) 
CO2, which was the one thing I really wanted you to name).
<sigh>

Ah well, let the pointing and laughing begin...

-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

"Jpinny"  wrote in message


> It was true!! I had overweight stickers on my case. But they didn't 
> bother charging me. Philly's cool.
> 
> But all the beer's gone by now!
> 
> Jp



Might just make my next connecting flight home through Philly
then.  Thanks for the tip.




Tania-doesn't-need-another-hernia-though-so-might-just-mail-my-Jennings-home-hmmm


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"Johnny" <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
news:1125609963_2739@spool6-east.superfeed.net


> I've gone off it. I used to work for them and got free beer. But 
> now I only drink imported. Besides, they "merged" with Coors 
> last year. They're not really Canadian anymore.
> 
> Johnny-can't-recommend-Molson's
> 

I don't have a lot of choice in Arkansas.  Jennings is not an import
available here.  We have some beer and "ale" from Scotland that I didn't
see anywhere near the the border when I was there. It's probably stuff
no one else will drink.  There are a few imports from England.  Let's
see... they all say "oatmeal stout" and most likely have been sitting on
the liquor store shelf for a bit.  Maybe I can order from Canada.

Tania




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"The Traveller"  wrote in message
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> 
> Morning Tania. It's 9am here and raining. I've never tasted US or Canada
> beer before. I was just joking about the quality and taste. I remember on
> M/S Bergensfjord-Norway/USA line that the crew drank St Miguel and something
> with a picture of horses on the bottle.
> Last night I was at a jazz concert, yes, me, jazz. Orlando was sound
> technician. "Kvalda," a Finnish group were performing, very good music and I
> had a black coffee and a good cognac. That's more to my taste. I only swill
> down lager to get drunk-OOPS!
> 
> Edith
> 
> ps: Orlando has a sound job on Saturday night. Guess what. A punk group are
> playing two sets and in the interval they're showing football on a big
> screne. Isn't that just awful. What a mix. I certainly won't be there. It's
> a night in for me, empanadas and a cuppa tea.


Good evening, Edith. It's a little after 11pm here.  I worked late this
evening so didn't get much computer time until now.  It's been hot and
humid here.  Around 100 F today.  Glad you enjoyed last night.  I'm not
a big Jazz fan, some of it I like.  I'm listening to a blues song right
now.
I've been on a kick lately.  "I gave you seven children and now you're
trying to give them back".  Love that line.  Nothing to do with my real
life. Except teenagers sure can make you think of the blues once in
awhile. I'm not a big drinker either really.  I do like beer when I get
a chance to drink anything. Yeah, I know, I'm weird, my sister tells me
this frequently.  I also like a glass of good wine once in awhile.  Not
much of a liquor drinker at all.  Don't even think I've tried cognac.
My parents have one after coffee sometimes too.

I think you made the right decision about Saturday night.  My seventeen
year old has been playing punk stuff lately because it's so retro
or something, who knows (his older brother has always liked it, so there
is the link I'm sure).  All I know is I don't like it.  As close as I
get to that is the Ramones (are they considered punk?) and I'm selective
about which of their songs I listen to.

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"Jpinny"  wrote in message


> One of my fellow soccer moms who is originally from New Orleans hasn't 
> heard from her sister in two days, her brother is stuck with $60 and 1/4 
> tank of gas and his house gone, and her husband is trying to get down to 
> Baton Rouge to find his own brother.  His mother has dead bodies 
> floating in the backyard.
> 
> Jp


I've heard similar stories.   Baton Rouge is overrunning with people
fleeing and those looking for family further south.  

Tania


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Faye King wrote:


>>>
> 
> I don't have a lot of choice in Arkansas.  Jennings is not an import
> available here.  We have some beer and "ale" from Scotland that I didn't
> see anywhere near the the border when I was there. It's probably stuff
> no one else will drink.  There are a few imports from England.  Let's
> see... they all say "oatmeal stout" and most likely have been sitting on
> the liquor store shelf for a bit.  Maybe I can order from Canada.



Tell me what they are. Mr P and I have a fair idea about Scottish 
bottled imports. They're probably quite good.

Jp

a l l y wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message 
> news:eJXRe.33121$U63.1635@fe12.lga...
> 
>>Sounds sort of right to me. I can't remember the When's Sleepy going to 
>>mark your paper?
>>
>>'O' Level Biology (way back when) : 6 molecules of water plus 6 molecules 
>>of carbon dioxide produce one molecule of sugar plus six molecules of 
>>oxygen: 6 H2O (Water) + 6 CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) + Light --> C6 H12 O6 
>>(Glucose) + 6 O2 (Oxygen)
>>
>>Mrs p Primary 7 Science.
> 
> 
> You did that stuff in **P7**??? Gosh.
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Not the eqation stuff. I did that back in 'O' level biology. No, Primary 
7 Science is the giddy limit of my science teaching experience, but it's 
customary to try to stay at least one step ahead of the little buggers.

One of the strands in the 5-14 Science Curriculum (Scotland) is the 
basic systems of life in plants and animals, and another is a the 
interaction of living things with the environment. At level D, which 
most P7's are working toward, they learn generally that plants get their 
energy from the sun, and then pass it on to us, but the processes are 
simply explained. Teachers can expect to be asked questions about how 
and why and often learn new things themselves while they help kids 
understand. Kids hopefully learn that trees are important to us in 
removing CO2 from the air. Awareness of this fosters concern for the 
environment. (Catch 'em early!)  At level E, at which some kids may be 
functioning, they examine cell structures and functions, so they will 
need to know what the purpose of chlorophyll is. I certainly remember 
using a microscope with slides of plant cells from the Teacher's 
Resource centre, in the primary classroom. At about the same time, in 
other strands of science - materials (introduction to Chemistry) and 
forces (intro to Physics)but usuallyin the first year at secondary 
school, they are gaining understanding of the structure of molecules and 
processes of change. I'm afraid my professional brain has been zzzzing 
for the last 5 years.

Jp

a l l y wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message 
> news:OyXRe.33119$U63.13492@fe12.lga...
> 
>>>
>>What a wonderful turn of phrase, Ally! I come here to top up my Queen's 
>>English.
>>
> 
> Heh heh. You can tell my mother was an English teacher, can't you?
> 
> ally-mother-rotating-under-the-soil 


My daughter has been watching "What Not To Wear" and, while she might 
seem like the typical American Campus Babe, with only a bare trace of a 
Scottish accent, has taken up the British usage of "bum" to replace the 
American "ass" or "tush" which her friends  more generally use. Maybe 
she will drop the adopted coy reference to nether garments as "a pair of 
underwear" and adopt Trinny and Suzanne's use of the kn- word, which 
used to be good enough for her.

Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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> Not the eqation stuff. I did that back in 'O' level biology. No, Primary 7 
> Science is the giddy limit of my science teaching experience, but it's 
> customary to try to stay at least one step ahead of the little buggers.
>
> One of the strands in the 5-14 Science Curriculum (Scotland) is the basic 
> systems of life in plants and animals, and another is a the interaction of 
> living things with the environment. At level D, which most P7's are 
> working toward, they learn generally that plants get their energy from the 
> sun, and then pass it on to us, but the processes are simply explained. 
> Teachers can expect to be asked questions about how and why and often 
> learn new things themselves while they help kids understand. Kids 
> hopefully learn that trees are important to us in removing CO2 from the 
> air. Awareness of this fosters concern for the environment. (Catch 'em 
> early!)  At level E, at which some kids may be functioning, they examine 
> cell structures and functions, so they will need to know what the purpose 
> of chlorophyll is. I certainly remember using a microscope with slides of 
> plant cells from the Teacher's Resource centre, in the primary classroom. 
> At about the same time, in other strands of science - materials 
> (introduction to Chemistry) and forces (intro to Physics)but usuallyin the 
> first year at secondary school, they are gaining understanding of the 
> structure of molecules and processes of change. I'm afraid my professional 
> brain has been zzzzing for the last 5 years.
>

It's interesting how the Scottish (I have no experience of the English) 
primary school syllabus has changed over the years. When I was at school, 
the stuff we learned seemed quite familiar to my dad, who had gone to school 
many decades earlier. (He was in his 50s when I was at primary.) And yet by 
the time my son went to primary school - the same school I attended myself, 
in fact - things had changed radically. We learned subjects like Scottish 
history in some depth: this had almost vanished by my son's time, apart from 
a single project on Mary, Queen of Scots. We studied English grammar and 
interpretation very seriously. I loved Particular Analysis. (I was a nerd 
even then... sigh...) Most of the grammar, syntax, punctuation and even 
spelling my son knows, however, he learned from me, rather than from school, 
where they seemed to think it was of minor importance. His class, though, 
started learning French in P5. We had to wait 'til secondary for foreign 
languages. They did a certain amount of science, while we did practically 
none (apart from something called 'Nature Study' which came with a radio 
programme).

It's hard for me to judge which of us had the better primary education, but 
we certainly had quite different experiences.

ally

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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>
>>> So, I'll bet you can tell us the three ingredients necessary to
>>> the "light reaction" side of photosynthesis.
>>>
>>Oh bloody hell this was a long time ago. I'd have to work it out from 
>>first
>>principles. Er... water, sunlight and probably CO2? Something like that.
>>
> You see! You're so much smarter than me that you knew to
> answer the question I should've asked rather than the one
> I did ask (which involves ATP and NADPH and not (I think)
> CO2, which was the one thing I really wanted you to name).
> <sigh>
>

Er... right. Thanks, I think. My level of smartness notwithstanding, I have 
no idea what ATP and NADPH stand for.

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>
> My daughter has been watching "What Not To Wear" and, while she might seem 
> like the typical American Campus Babe, with only a bare trace of a 
> Scottish accent, has taken up the British usage of "bum" to replace the 
> American "ass" or "tush" which her friends  more generally use. Maybe she 
> will drop the adopted coy reference to nether garments as "a pair of 
> underwear" and adopt Trinny and Suzanne's use of the kn- word, which used 
> to be good enough for her.
>

Good for her. I hate those words - ass & tush. To my British ear they sound 
quite rude, especially "tush" - don't quite know why. As for "a pair of 
underwear" - I don't think I've come across that before - it's dreadful, 
isn't it? It's not even good grammar. Can we start a campaign to Introduce 
Knickers To America?

;-)

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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> Faye King wrote:
>
>>>>
>>
>> I don't have a lot of choice in Arkansas.  Jennings is not an import
>> available here.  We have some beer and "ale" from Scotland that I didn't
>> see anywhere near the the border when I was there. It's probably stuff
>> no one else will drink.  There are a few imports from England.  Let's
>> see... they all say "oatmeal stout" and most likely have been sitting on
>> the liquor store shelf for a bit.  Maybe I can order from Canada.
>
>
> Tell me what they are. Mr P and I have a fair idea about Scottish bottled 
> imports. They're probably quite good.
>

Yeah, some of those oatmeal beers are quite drinkable. They tend to brew 
them as specialty ales rather than for the general local boozing market, so 
they're more likely to crop up in foreign import stores. Probably a bit more 
expensive than a bottle of Cumberland Ale or something, but nice for an 
occasional treat.

ally

a l l y wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message 
> news:9ogSe.830$YC1.3@fe08.lga...
> 
>>Not the eqation stuff. I did that back in 'O' level biology. No, Primary 7 
>>Science is the giddy limit of my science teaching experience, but it's 
>>customary to try to stay at least one step ahead of the little buggers.
>>
>>One of the strands in the 5-14 Science Curriculum (Scotland) is the basic 
>>systems of life in plants and animals, and another is a the interaction of 
>>living things with the environment. At level D, which most P7's are 
>>working toward, they learn generally that plants get their energy from the 
>>sun, and then pass it on to us, but the processes are simply explained. 
>>Teachers can expect to be asked questions about how and why and often 
>>learn new things themselves while they help kids understand. Kids 
>>hopefully learn that trees are important to us in removing CO2 from the 
>>air. Awareness of this fosters concern for the environment. (Catch 'em 
>>early!)  At level E, at which some kids may be functioning, they examine 
>>cell structures and functions, so they will need to know what the purpose 
>>of chlorophyll is. I certainly remember using a microscope with slides of 
>>plant cells from the Teacher's Resource centre, in the primary classroom. 
>>At about the same time, in other strands of science - materials 
>>(introduction to Chemistry) and forces (intro to Physics)but usuallyin the 
>>first year at secondary school, they are gaining understanding of the 
>>structure of molecules and processes of change. I'm afraid my professional 
>>brain has been zzzzing for the last 5 years.
>>
> 
> It's interesting how the Scottish (I have no experience of the English) 
> primary school syllabus has changed over the years. When I was at school, 
> the stuff we learned seemed quite familiar to my dad, who had gone to school 
> many decades earlier. (He was in his 50s when I was at primary.) And yet by 
> the time my son went to primary school - the same school I attended myself, 
> in fact - things had changed radically. We learned subjects like Scottish 
> history in some depth: this had almost vanished by my son's time, apart from 
> a single project on Mary, Queen of Scots. We studied English grammar and 
> interpretation very seriously. I loved Particular Analysis. (I was a nerd 
> even then... sigh...) Most of the grammar, syntax, punctuation and even 
> spelling my son knows, however, he learned from me, rather than from school, 
> where they seemed to think it was of minor importance. His class, though, 
> started learning French in P5. We had to wait 'til secondary for foreign 
> languages. They did a certain amount of science, while we did practically 
> none (apart from something called 'Nature Study' which came with a radio 
> programme).
> 
> It's hard for me to judge which of us had the better primary education, but 
> we certainly had quite different experiences.
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Hi, Ally

I normally switch off at this time of night, but I'm waiting to take a 
call from my dear friend Barb, whose husband's grandchildren from New 
Orleans are now ALL  (about 9 or 10)  staying with them in Katy, Houston 
and she's swamped with serving dinner - it's a joyful pandemonium, and 
one of the good stories. As you will guess, Barb and her "Coonasse" 
husband are white and "with means". Even the regular networks have got 
hold of this and most Americans are feeling pretty appalled.

Anyway!!!

Apart from a couple of months in the second year at Grammar School, we 
never did any Particular Analysis, but heck, whatever we did appears to 
have have worked.  (Anyone who disagrees, feel free to comment. :-)

Jp

a l l y wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message 
> news:LAgSe.832$YC1.137@fe08.lga...
> 
>>My daughter has been watching "What Not To Wear" and, while she might seem 
>>like the typical American Campus Babe, with only a bare trace of a 
>>Scottish accent, has taken up the British usage of "bum" to replace the 
>>American "ass" or "tush" which her friends  more generally use. Maybe she 
>>will drop the adopted coy reference to nether garments as "a pair of 
>>underwear" and adopt Trinny and Suzanne's use of the kn- word, which used 
>>to be good enough for her.
>>
> 
> Good for her. I hate those words - ass & tush. To my British ear they sound 
> quite rude, especially "tush" - don't quite know why. As for "a pair of 
> underwear" - I don't think I've come across that before - it's dreadful, 
> isn't it? It's not even good grammar. Can we start a campaign to Introduce 
> Knickers To America?
> 
> ;-)
> 
> ally 
> 
> 


I agree fully. But a couple of years has passed and my daughter now 
approaches  her 20th.

I cant be 100% sure, but she might be ready to introduce the "Kn" word!


Jp

Jpinny wrote:
<snip>

>
> Apart from a couple of months in the second year at Grammar School,
> we never did any Particular Analysis, but heck, whatever we did
> appears to have have worked.  (Anyone who disagrees, feel free to
> comment. :-)
> Jp


Don't know what the heck Particular Analysis is but the punctuation in your 
last sentence leaves a little to be desired.... Grammar School! Teehee...

Well, you asked...

:)

Jpinny wrote:


> 
> I agree fully. But a couple of years has passed and my daughter now 
> approaches  her 20th.
> 
> I cant be 100% sure, but she might be ready to introduce the "Kn" word!
> 
> 
> Jp
> 


Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we 
call one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!

UkuleleRon

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"Ron(UK)" >>

>
> Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we call 
> one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!
>
> UkuleleRon
>

 Interesting logic. The Victorians , when they wore any knickers at all, 
often wore split crotch ones. That's three holes. What about  a trio of 
knickers?

Rex.

Norcot wrote:

> "Ron(UK)" >>
> 
>>Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we call 
>>one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!
>>
>>UkuleleRon
>>
> 
>  Interesting logic. The Victorians , when they wore any knickers at all, 
> often wore split crotch ones. That's three holes. What about  a trio of 
> knickers?
> 
> Rex. 
> 
> 

Tis so,  but they were originally in two separate halves, laced together 
  hence  a pair. Imagine the fun one could have unlacing...  except in 
an emergency of course

Ron o'Garments

-- 
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Netherwear through the Ages
www.lunevalleyaudio.com
(The above may not be entirely true)

Dirty Sanchez wrote:

> Jpinny wrote:
> <snip>
> 
>>Apart from a couple of months in the second year at Grammar School,
>>we never did any Particular Analysis, but heck, whatever we did
>>appears to have have worked. Anyone who disagrees, feel free to
>>comment. 


:-)
>>Jp


Edited version.

> 
> 
> Don't know what the heck Particular Analysis is but the punctuation in your 
> last sentence leaves a little to be desired.... Grammar School! Teehee...
> 
> Well, you asked...
> 
> :) 
> 



How's that, then?


Jp

Ron(UK) wrote:

> Jpinny wrote:
> 
>>
>> I agree fully. But a couple of years has passed and my daughter now 
>> approaches  her 20th.
>>
>> I cant be 100% sure, but she might be ready to introduce the "Kn" word!
>>
>>
>> Jp
>>
> 
> Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we 
> call one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!
> 
> UkuleleRon



Those who've seen Bridget Jones definitely know about them. They also 
have a garment called knickers, but that's what we call plus fours. (Or 
is it "garments" and "those are"?)

I didn't know they didn't call them "pairs". I really can't remember if 
it's ever come up in conversation. I must use the term the next time I'm 
in Macy's bloomer department and see if the saleswoman knows what I'm 
talking about.



Jp

"a l l y"  wrote:


>Er... right. Thanks, I think. My level of smartness notwithstanding, I have 
>no idea what ATP and NADPH stand for.
>

It doesn't matter.


-- 
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"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
>>Er... right. Thanks, I think. My level of smartness notwithstanding, I 
>>have
>>no idea what ATP and NADPH stand for.
>>
> It doesn't matter.
>

Oh come on now! You can't leave us in suspense after bringing up the 
subject! You leave me no choice but to invent possible meanings for the 
acronyms.

After Tea, Please.
All Those Pies
Ancient Theban Parasols


Never Admit Driving Particularly Hellishly
Now Ally Drinks Persian Herbs
Not A Deserted Public House

I could go on.... and maybe later, I will...

ally

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message 
news:dfegls$l2o$2@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...

>>
>
> Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we call 
> one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!
>

They're the ones who call their trousers, "pants".

ally

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message 
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> Norcot wrote:
>> "Ron(UK)" >>
>>
>>>Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we call 
>>>one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!
>>>
>>>UkuleleRon
>>>
>>
>>  Interesting logic. The Victorians , when they wore any knickers at all, 
>> often wore split crotch ones. That's three holes. What about  a trio of 
>> knickers?
>>
>> Rex.
> Tis so,  but they were originally in two separate halves, laced together 
> hence  a pair. Imagine the fun one could have unlacing...  except in an 
> emergency of course
>

And yet, the other garment that came in two parts, laced together - a 
corset - a bodice - a "pair of bodies" originally - is now know in the 
singular.

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
news:2ZBSe.8206$OT1.6936@fe09.lga...

>
> I didn't know they didn't call them "pairs". I really can't remember if 
> it's ever come up in conversation. I must use the term the next time I'm 
> in Macy's bloomer department and see if the saleswoman knows what I'm 
> talking about.
>

They still use the word, "bloomers" then? I like that better than 
"underwear".

ally

a l l y wrote:

> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message
> news:cabkh1lcf9cf8kp6d4on7l0a9m8tsvblve@4ax.com...
>> "a l l y"  wrote:
>>
>>> Er... right. Thanks, I think. My level of smartness
>>> notwithstanding, I have
>>> no idea what ATP and NADPH stand for.
>>>
>> It doesn't matter.
>>
> Oh come on now! You can't leave us in suspense after bringing up the
> subject! You leave me no choice but to invent possible meanings for
> the acronyms.
>
> After Tea, Please.
> All Those Pies
> Ancient Theban Parasols


Aaaarrrggghhh those piles






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a l l y wrote:

> "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message 
> news:dfegls$l2o$2@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> 
>>Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we call 
>>one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!
>>
> 
> They're the ones who call their trousers, "pants".
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

  I call my troosers pants sometimes. Yankies call their underpants 
pants and tight trousers slacks - they`re a cob lot

Ron (two keks) Prescott



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"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
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>> After Tea, Please.
>> All Those Pies
>> Ancient Theban Parasols
>
> Aaaarrrggghhh those piles
>

Anti-Terrorist Pasta

ally

a l l y wrote:

> "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
> news:1125854485_2195@spool6->>
> 
>>>After Tea, Please.
>>>All Those Pies
>>>Ancient Theban Parasols
>>
>>Aaaarrrggghhh those piles
>>
> 
> Anti-Terrorist Pasta
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

African Tibetan People

Jp

a l l y wrote:


> Never Admit Driving Particularly Hellishly
> Now Ally Drinks Persian Herbs
> Not A Deserted Public House
> 
> I could go on.... and maybe later, I will...
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Nice Americans Detest Presidential Halfwits

Jp

a l l y wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message 
> news:2ZBSe.8206$OT1.6936@fe09.lga...
> 
>>I didn't know they didn't call them "pairs". I really can't remember if 
>>it's ever come up in conversation. I must use the term the next time I'm 
>>in Macy's bloomer department and see if the saleswoman knows what I'm 
>>talking about.
>>
> 
> They still use the word, "bloomers" then? I like that better than 
> "underwear".
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

No, the bloomers term is my own. They call them panties officially, and 
then subdivide that into different styles. I've heard someone refer to 
"drawers", but she was being deliberately coarse about someone.

Macy's lingerie department actually goes under the awfully coy name of 
"Intimate Apparel".

Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
news:FpJSe.8251$OT1.4628@fe09.lga...

>a l l y wrote:
>
>> Never Admit Driving Particularly Hellishly
>> Now Ally Drinks Persian Herbs
>> Not A Deserted Public House
>>
>> I could go on.... and maybe later, I will...
>>
>> ally
> Nice Americans Detest Presidential Halfwits
>

(nice one!)

Nearly All Dentists Prefer Herrings

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>>
> No, the bloomers term is my own. They call them panties officially, and 
> then subdivide that into different styles. I've heard someone refer to 
> "drawers", but she was being deliberately coarse about someone.
>
> Macy's lingerie department actually goes under the awfully coy name of 
> "Intimate Apparel".
>

Oh dear. Now that expression conjures up, for me, images of tampons, or 
those things with wings.

ally

"a l l y"  wrote:

>
>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
>news:cabkh1lcf9cf8kp6d4on7l0a9m8tsvblve@4ax.com...
>> "a l l y"  wrote:
>>
>>>Er... right. Thanks, I think. My level of smartness notwithstanding, I 
>>>have
>>>no idea what ATP and NADPH stand for.
>>>
>> It doesn't matter.
>>
>Oh come on now! You can't leave us in suspense after bringing up the 
>subject! 


Oh yes I can ! 
("The subject" btw was _carbon dioxide_ , without which, 
there would be no animal or plant life on this planet!) 

I'll never tell ! So, what're you going to do, eh?


>You leave me no choice but to invent possible meanings for the 
>acronyms.


No, you wouldn't do that ! Only someone completely _ruthless_ ...

>
>After Tea, Please.
>All Those Pies
>Ancient Theban Parasols
>

Arghhh! No, stop, please stop!


>Never Admit Driving Particularly Hellishly
>Now Ally Drinks Persian Herbs
>Not A Deserted Public House


Nooo please, I can't take any more!


>I could go on.... and maybe later, I will...


Alright, alright, I give,.. I'll tell....
<pant>
It's,...it's adenosine triphosphate, and,... and, nicotine adenine ...
um, ... dinucleotide phosphate. 
<pant>
 There!  
<pant> 
Now you know _everything_!
   
<pant>

<cough>

<burp>

<Aside>
Curses! 
Well she may have won _this_ round, but I'll go back,..
back to my lair in the high mountains,... back to the
dark forest, where I'll take on a new shape,... a_new_
form,... and I will feed and grow,... yes, grow _more 
powerful_ than she could imagine, and then I will return
and take my _revenge_! 
<bwahahahahaha><choke><cough><cough><fart>

Oh, sorry.

-- 
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a l l y wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message 
> news:HFJSe.44251$KX7.25167@fe10.lga...
> 
>>No, the bloomers term is my own. They call them panties officially, and 
>>then subdivide that into different styles. I've heard someone refer to 
>>"drawers", but she was being deliberately coarse about someone.
>>
>>Macy's lingerie department actually goes under the awfully coy name of 
>>"Intimate Apparel".
>>
> 
> Oh dear. Now that expression conjures up, for me, images of tampons, or 
> those things with wings.
> 
> ally 


Ally goes from strength to strength.

Now I have images of parrots in strange places.

Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message


> Those who've seen Bridget Jones definitely know about them. They also 
> have a garment called knickers, but that's what we call plus fours. (Or 
> is it "garments" and "those are"?)
> 
> I didn't know they didn't call them "pairs". I really can't remember if 
> it's ever come up in conversation. I must use the term the next time I'm 
> in Macy's bloomer department and see if the saleswoman knows what I'm 
> talking about.
> 
> 
> 
> Jp



We call them a pair in the south.

Yup.  Most people around here think knickers are a pair of pants
(trouser or jeans, not underpants)that hang just below the knees.

Tania


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> > Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we call 
> > one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!
> >
> They're the ones who call their trousers, "pants".
> 
> ally



OK.  School is in.  Why is that a bad thing?



Tania-so-confused-trousers-knickers-pants...jeans-are-my-garment-of-choice-anyway


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"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Dirty Sanchez wrote:
> > Jpinny wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> >>Apart from a couple of months in the second year at Grammar School,
> >>we never did any Particular Analysis, but heck, whatever we did
> >>appears to have have worked. Anyone who disagrees, feel free to
> >>comment.
>
>
> :-)
> >>Jp
>
> Edited version.
> >
> >
> > Don't know what the heck Particular Analysis is but the punctuation in
your
> > last sentence leaves a little to be desired.... Grammar School!
Teehee...
> >
> > Well, you asked...
> >
> > :)
> >
> How's that, then?
>
>
> Jp


I got the chance 3 times to go to the Grammar School. I turned down the
opportunity each time. I liked attending Victoria Secondary Modern Girls'
School very much but a quieter reason, I reveal, was because we couldn't
afford another new school uniform. I saved my Mam and Dad those pennies and
I have never regretted it. One of my brothers went to Workington Grammar
School and that was good.

Like the Norwegians say. "You can't have it in both bags and sacks."

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> a l l y wrote:
> > "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
> > news:1125854485_2195@spool6->>
> >
> >>>After Tea, Please.
> >>>All Those Pies
> >>>Ancient Theban Parasols
> >>
> >>Aaaarrrggghhh those piles
> >>
> >
> > Anti-Terrorist Pasta
> >
> > ally
> >
> >
> African Tibetan People
>
> Jp


Sigmund Freudian's spectacles.

Edith (dunno what they're on about)

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
> >
> >"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
> >news:cabkh1lcf9cf8kp6d4on7l0a9m8tsvblve@4ax.com...
> >> "a l l y"  wrote:
> >>
> >>>Er... right. Thanks, I think. My level of smartness notwithstanding, I
> >>>have
> >>>no idea what ATP and NADPH stand for.
> >>>
> >> It doesn't matter.
> >>
> >Oh come on now! You can't leave us in suspense after bringing up the
> >subject!
>
> Oh yes I can !
> ("The subject" btw was _carbon dioxide_ , without which,
> there would be no animal or plant life on this planet!)
>
> I'll never tell ! So, what're you going to do, eh?
>
> >You leave me no choice but to invent possible meanings for the
> >acronyms.
>
> No, you wouldn't do that ! Only someone completely _ruthless_ ...
> >
> >After Tea, Please.
> >All Those Pies
> >Ancient Theban Parasols
> >
> Arghhh! No, stop, please stop!
>
> >Never Admit Driving Particularly Hellishly
> >Now Ally Drinks Persian Herbs
> >Not A Deserted Public House
>
> Nooo please, I can't take any more!
>
> >I could go on.... and maybe later, I will...
>
> Alright, alright, I give,.. I'll tell....
> <pant>
> It's,...it's adenosine triphosphate, and,... and, nicotine adenine ...
> um, ... dinucleotide phosphate.
> <pant>
>  There!
> <pant>
> Now you know _everything_!
>
> <pant>
>
> <cough>
>
> <burp>
>
> <Aside>
> Curses!
> Well she may have won _this_ round, but I'll go back,..
> back to my lair in the high mountains,... back to the
> dark forest, where I'll take on a new shape,... a_new_
> form,... and I will feed and grow,... yes, grow _more
> powerful_ than she could imagine, and then I will return
> and take my _revenge_!
> <bwahahahahaha><choke><cough><cough><fart>
>
> Oh, sorry.
>
> --
> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>

Is it like DNY Do Nowt Yourself?

Edith

"Faye King"  wrote in message
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> > > Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we
call
> > > one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!
> > >
> > They're the ones who call their trousers, "pants".
> >
> > ally
>
>
> OK.  School is in.  Why is that a bad thing?
>
>
>
>

Tania-so-confused-trousers-knickers-pants...jeans-are-my-garment-of-choice-a
nyway

I don't care what you call mine. theyre coming off anyhow.

Edith knivkerbokkerless.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:FmJSe.8250$OT1.6890@fe09.lga...
>> a l l y wrote:
>> > "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
>> > news:1125854485_2195@spool6->>
>> >
>> >>>After Tea, Please.
>> >>>All Those Pies
>> >>>Ancient Theban Parasols
>> >>
>> >>Aaaarrrggghhh those piles
>> >>
>> >
>> > Anti-Terrorist Pasta
>> >
>> > ally
>> >
>> >
>> African Tibetan People
>>
>> Jp
>
> Sigmund Freudian's spectacles.

ROFL!
>
> Edith (dunno what they're on about)
>

Er... we're making up little phrases beginning with the letters ATP, 
actually. Though I think I prefer your offering...

Always Take (the) Piss.

ally

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message > Alright, alright, I 
give,.. I'll tell....

> <pant>
> It's,...it's adenosine triphosphate, and,... and, nicotine adenine ...
> um, ... dinucleotide phosphate.
> <pant>
> There!
> <pant>
> Now you know _everything_!


Haha!! I knew I'd break him! And the funny thing was, I actually knew that 
all along, but it was *much* more fun this way....

<evil grin>


>
> <Aside>
> Curses!
> Well she may have won _this_ round, but I'll go back,..
> back to my lair in the high mountains,... back to the
> dark forest, where I'll take on a new shape,... a_new_
> form,... and I will feed and grow,... yes, grow _more
> powerful_ than she could imagine, and then I will return
> and take my _revenge_!
> <bwahahahahaha><choke><cough><cough><fart>
>

Hmm... methinks some people spend too much time reading fantasy comics....

ally-the-winner

"Faye King"  wrote in message >

> Yup.  Most people around here think knickers are a pair of pants
> (trouser or jeans, not underpants)that hang just below the knees.
>

Edith has a thing about large green knickers that hang just below the knees. 
Make of that what you will...

ally

"Faye King"  wrote in message 
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>> > Leftpondians know about knickers,  but still cant undertstand why we 
>> > call
>> > one garment a pair - they think it`s coz they have two leg oles!
>> >
>> They're the ones who call their trousers, "pants".
>>
>> ally
>
>
> OK.  School is in.  Why is that a bad thing?
>

It's just a bit of simple amusement to the rightpondian ear, I guess. When 
an American talks about wearing his pants, we visualise him strutting about 
in his boxers/y-fronts/undergarments.

Not a bad thing. We enjoy a good laugh.

ally

a l l y wrote:


> 
> It's just a bit of simple amusement to the rightpondian ear, I guess. When 
> an American talks about wearing his pants, we visualise him strutting about 
> in his boxers/y-fronts/undergarments.
> 
> Not a bad thing. We enjoy a good laugh.
> 
> ally 
> 



And Yankees can always be relied upon to give us one.

"Gee are you really from Scotchland?  where is your kilt and bagpipes? 
have you seen the Lake Ness monster? Is anything worn under the kilt?" 
[1]  etceteraaa etceteraaa.

[1]  cue old joke

Ron O'Shanter



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www.lunevalleyaudio.com

Jpinny wrote:

> Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor
> people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've
> also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
>
> Jp


just read that Fats Domino is alive and has been evacuated to Baton Rouge.
It was thought that he may have drowned since he chose to stay in his home
which is now flooded up to the roof.

Al



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"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:VuOdnddFt6mwj4He4p2dnA@telenor.com...
> >
> > "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> > news:FmJSe.8250$OT1.6890@fe09.lga...
> >> a l l y wrote:
> >> > "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
> >> > news:1125854485_2195@spool6->>
> >> >
> >> >>>After Tea, Please.
> >> >>>All Those Pies
> >> >>>Ancient Theban Parasols
> >> >>
> >> >>Aaaarrrggghhh those piles
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Anti-Terrorist Pasta
> >> >
> >> > ally
> >> >
> >> >
> >> African Tibetan People
> >>
> >> Jp
> >
> > Sigmund Freudian's spectacles.
>
> ROFL!
> >
> > Edith (dunno what they're on about)
> >
> Er... we're making up little phrases beginning with the letters ATP,
> actually. Though I think I prefer your offering...
>
> Always Take (the) Piss.
>
> ally
>

I see. ATP = Anti terror pills.

Edith's good'n

"a l l y"  wrote in message
news:3o2opuF3skm2U2@individual.net...

>
> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message > Alright, alright, I
> give,.. I'll tell....
> > <pant>
> > It's,...it's adenosine triphosphate, and,... and, nicotine adenine ...
> > um, ... dinucleotide phosphate.
> > <pant>
> > There!
> > <pant>
> > Now you know _everything_!
>
> Haha!! I knew I'd break him! And the funny thing was, I actually knew that
> all along, but it was *much* more fun this way....
>
> <evil grin>
>
> >
> > <Aside>
> > Curses!
> > Well she may have won _this_ round, but I'll go back,..
> > back to my lair in the high mountains,... back to the
> > dark forest, where I'll take on a new shape,... a_new_
> > form,... and I will feed and grow,... yes, grow _more
> > powerful_ than she could imagine, and then I will return
> > and take my _revenge_!
> > <bwahahahahaha><choke><cough><cough><fart>
> >
> Hmm... methinks some people spend too much time reading fantasy comics....
>
> ally-the-winner


ATP: All Too Pooped.

Well he is isn't he, coughing and farting the way he does.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Faye King"  wrote in message >
> > Yup.  Most people around here think knickers are a pair of pants
> > (trouser or jeans, not underpants)that hang just below the knees.
> >
> Edith has a thing about large green knickers that hang just below the
knees.
> Make of that what you will...
>
> ally


Cold weather?

Edith Knickerpeed.

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
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> Jpinny wrote:
> > Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor
> > people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've
> > also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
> >
> > Jp
>
> just read that Fats Domino is alive and has been evacuated to Baton Rouge.
> It was thought that he may have drowned since he chose to stay in his home
> which is now flooded up to the roof.
>
> Al


I've known that for a few days, Al. Seems his neigbours took him to safety
in their boat.

Edith Thinks.

The Traveller wrote:

> "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
> news:1125929317_5299@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> 
>>Jpinny wrote:
>>
>>>Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor
>>>people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've
>>>also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
>>>
>>>Jp
>>
>>just read that Fats Domino is alive and has been evacuated to Baton Rouge.
>>It was thought that he may have drowned since he chose to stay in his home
>>which is now flooded up to the roof.
>>
>>Al
> 
> 
> I've known that for a few days, Al. Seems his neigbours took him to safety
> in their boat.
> 
> Edith Thinks.
> 
> 


Aint that a shame


Ron Boogie Woogie ukuloogie



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Alfred Packer wrote:

> Jpinny wrote:
> 
>>Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor
>>people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've
>>also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
>>
>>Jp
> 
> 
> just read that Fats Domino is alive and has been evacuated to Baton Rouge.
> It was thought that he may have drowned since he chose to stay in his home
> which is now flooded up to the roof.
> 
> Al
> 


Actually, I saw him on TV yesterday!

Jp

"The Traveller"  wrote in message
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> I don't care what you call mine. theyre coming off anyhow.
> 
> Edith knivkerbokkerless.


Hiya nude, Edith. 

You might want to reconsider that fashion statement
when winter arrives.

Tania-burrrrrrrrr



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"a l l y"  wrote in message


> Edith has a thing about large green knickers that hang just below the knees. 
> Make of that what you will...
> 
> ally


She does like to discuss them an awful lot....

Tania



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"a l l y"  wrote in message



> It's just a bit of simple amusement to the rightpondian ear, I guess. When 
> an American talks about wearing his pants, we visualise him strutting about 
> in his boxers/y-fronts/undergarments.
> 
> Not a bad thing. We enjoy a good laugh.
> 
> ally



Ahh.  I get it.  Kind of like that Free Willy thing... <g>

Tania


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"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message

> 
> 
> And Yankees can always be relied upon to give us one.
> 
> "Gee are you really from Scotchland?  where is your kilt and bagpipes? 
> have you seen the Lake Ness monster? Is anything worn under the kilt?" 
> [1]  etceteraaa etceteraaa.
> 
> [1]  cue old joke
> 
> Ron O'Shanter



We aim to please. (don't know about being called a yankee, though)

Just for you.  Stupid tourists... (taken from a funny website I
found)

I work at one of the most prestigious Whisky & Real Ale pubs in
Edinburgh. It's very posh and very traditionally Scottish in a posh way
(but this means, as barstaff, we get the joy of refusing anyone we don't
like, including students, hen nights and people wearing those bloody
stupid "Jimmy" hats)

Anyway, we get a lot of celebs and politicians in. One night, Joe
Jackson, who was playing in the city, was entertaining several American
mates, including the guy who produced Bat Out Of Hell. Todd Rundgren
according to the internet. I wouldn't know, because Meatloaf's shite.

So, this lardy yank comes up to the bar, which is famed for having 170+
malt whiskies.

"AH WANNA SKAAAAAATCH!"
"Which one? We have over 170. Perhaps you would like to see the whisky
list?"
"NAAA, AH WANNA SKAAAATCH!"
"Okay, what sort of price range can you afford?"
"WHATEVER!"
"Ah, sir, I see.. I have here.. a 27 year old Macallan, at 17.50 a nip.
Would that be alright?"
"YEAH!"

hahahaha. 

Oh, alright, if that's not good enough, a big group of tourists came in
asking if we served food.
"Only pies and toasties," said the other barman.
"Could we get the menu then?" Said the yanks. Aforementioned barman
ripped the front of a barmat, wrote "PIES AND TOASTIES 1.50" on it, and
gave it back to them.

Tania-<wink>




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Faye King wrote:

> "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
> 
>>
>>And Yankees can always be relied upon to give us one.
>>
>>"Gee are you really from Scotchland?  where is your kilt and bagpipes? 
>>have you seen the Lake Ness monster? Is anything worn under the kilt?" 
>>[1]  etceteraaa etceteraaa.
>>
>>[1]  cue old joke
>>
>>Ron O'Shanter
> 
> 
> 
> We aim to please. (don't know about being called a yankee, though)
> 
> Just for you.  Stupid tourists... (taken from a funny website I
> found)
> 
> I work at one of the most prestigious Whisky & Real Ale pubs in
> Edinburgh. It's very posh and very traditionally Scottish in a posh way
> (but this means, as barstaff, we get the joy of refusing anyone we don't
> like, including students, hen nights and people wearing those bloody
> stupid "Jimmy" hats)
> 
> Anyway, we get a lot of celebs and politicians in. One night, Joe
> Jackson, who was playing in the city, was entertaining several American
> mates, including the guy who produced Bat Out Of Hell. Todd Rundgren
> according to the internet. I wouldn't know, because Meatloaf's shite.
> 
> So, this lardy yank comes up to the bar, which is famed for having 170+
> malt whiskies.
> 
> "AH WANNA SKAAAAAATCH!"
> "Which one? We have over 170. Perhaps you would like to see the whisky
> list?"
> "NAAA, AH WANNA SKAAAATCH!"
> "Okay, what sort of price range can you afford?"
> "WHATEVER!"
> "Ah, sir, I see.. I have here.. a 27 year old Macallan, at 17.50 a nip.
> Would that be alright?"
> "YEAH!"
> 
> hahahaha. 
> 
> Oh, alright, if that's not good enough, a big group of tourists came in
> asking if we served food.
> "Only pies and toasties," said the other barman.
> "Could we get the menu then?" Said the yanks. Aforementioned barman
> ripped the front of a barmat, wrote "PIES AND TOASTIES 1.50" on it, and
> gave it back to them.
> 
> Tania-<wink>
> 
> 
> 
> 

  haw haw,  the wonderful Scottish  perchant for sarcasm, and the 
american total lack of understanding of irony
... dontcha jus lovit

Ron McUkulele

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"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
> > news:1125929317_5299@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >
> >>Jpinny wrote:
> >>
> >>>Things ain't so Easy in the Big Easy. I can't imagine how those poor
> >>>people must be feeling.  One of my friends is from Louisiana, and I've
> >>>also met others. There's a gentle, modest charm to them.
> >>>
> >>>Jp
> >>
> >>just read that Fats Domino is alive and has been evacuated to Baton
Rouge.
> >>It was thought that he may have drowned since he chose to stay in his
home
> >>which is now flooded up to the roof.
> >>
> >>Al
> >
> >
> > I've known that for a few days, Al. Seems his neigbours took him to
safety
> > in their boat.
> >
> > Edith Thinks.
> >
> >
>
> Aint that a shame
>
>
> Ron Boogie Woogie ukuloogie


He'll know What it Means to miss New Orleans, now.

Edith.

"Faye King"  wrote in message
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> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:ir-dnRCLRtECiYHeRVnzvA@telenor.com
>
> > I don't care what you call mine. theyre coming off anyhow.
> >
> > Edith knivkerbokkerless.
>
> Hiya nude, Edith.
>
> You might want to reconsider that fashion statement
> when winter arrives.
>
> Tania-burrrrrrrrr
>

I know, Tania.

Edith 8 Knickers.

"Faye King"  wrote in message
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> "a l l y"  wrote in message
>
> > Edith has a thing about large green knickers that hang just below the
knees.
> > Make of that what you will...
> >
> > ally
>
> She does like to discuss them an awful lot....
>
> Tania


I know, poor thing. She is very bashful.

Edwina.

"Faye King"  wrote in message
news:246b60de1a603f2108a393a5fa4c9c90.59711@mygate.mailgate.org...

> "a l l y"  wrote in message
>
>
> > It's just a bit of simple amusement to the rightpondian ear, I guess.
When
> > an American talks about wearing his pants, we visualise him strutting
about
> > in his boxers/y-fronts/undergarments.
> >
> > Not a bad thing. We enjoy a good laugh.
> >
> > ally
>
>
> Ahh.  I get it.  Kind of like that Free Willy thing... <g>
>
> Tania


ROFL.

Edith.

"Faye King"  wrote in message
news:c19a41b9b8b8ab0e25ff252fc985a634.59711@mygate.mailgate.org...

> "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
> >
> >
> > And Yankees can always be relied upon to give us one.
> >
> > "Gee are you really from Scotchland?  where is your kilt and bagpipes?
> > have you seen the Lake Ness monster? Is anything worn under the kilt?"
> > [1]  etceteraaa etceteraaa.
> >
> > [1]  cue old joke
> >
> > Ron O'Shanter
>
>
> We aim to please. (don't know about being called a yankee, though)
>
> Just for you.  Stupid tourists... (taken from a funny website I
> found)
>
> I work at one of the most prestigious Whisky & Real Ale pubs in
> Edinburgh. It's very posh and very traditionally Scottish in a posh way
> (but this means, as barstaff, we get the joy of refusing anyone we don't
> like, including students, hen nights and people wearing those bloody
> stupid "Jimmy" hats)
>
> Anyway, we get a lot of celebs and politicians in. One night, Joe
> Jackson, who was playing in the city, was entertaining several American
> mates, including the guy who produced Bat Out Of Hell. Todd Rundgren
> according to the internet. I wouldn't know, because Meatloaf's shite.
>
> So, this lardy yank comes up to the bar, which is famed for having 170+
> malt whiskies.
>
> "AH WANNA SKAAAAAATCH!"
> "Which one? We have over 170. Perhaps you would like to see the whisky
> list?"
> "NAAA, AH WANNA SKAAAATCH!"
> "Okay, what sort of price range can you afford?"
> "WHATEVER!"
> "Ah, sir, I see.. I have here.. a 27 year old Macallan, at 17.50 a nip.
> Would that be alright?"
> "YEAH!"
>
> hahahaha.
>
> Oh, alright, if that's not good enough, a big group of tourists came in
> asking if we served food.
> "Only pies and toasties," said the other barman.
> "Could we get the menu then?" Said the yanks. Aforementioned barman
> ripped the front of a barmat, wrote "PIES AND TOASTIES 1.50" on it, and
> gave it back to them.
>
> Tania-<wink>


ROFL. You're on a roller today Tania.

Edith.

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
news:dfi0ot$19n$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...

> Faye King wrote:
> > "Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
> >
> >>
> >>And Yankees can always be relied upon to give us one.
> >>
> >>"Gee are you really from Scotchland?  where is your kilt and bagpipes?
> >>have you seen the Lake Ness monster? Is anything worn under the kilt?"
> >>[1]  etceteraaa etceteraaa.
> >>
> >>[1]  cue old joke
> >>
> >>Ron O'Shanter
> >
> >
> >
> > We aim to please. (don't know about being called a yankee, though)
> >
> > Just for you.  Stupid tourists... (taken from a funny website I
> > found)
> >
> > I work at one of the most prestigious Whisky & Real Ale pubs in
> > Edinburgh. It's very posh and very traditionally Scottish in a posh way
> > (but this means, as barstaff, we get the joy of refusing anyone we don't
> > like, including students, hen nights and people wearing those bloody
> > stupid "Jimmy" hats)
> >
> > Anyway, we get a lot of celebs and politicians in. One night, Joe
> > Jackson, who was playing in the city, was entertaining several American
> > mates, including the guy who produced Bat Out Of Hell. Todd Rundgren
> > according to the internet. I wouldn't know, because Meatloaf's shite.
> >
> > So, this lardy yank comes up to the bar, which is famed for having 170+
> > malt whiskies.
> >
> > "AH WANNA SKAAAAAATCH!"
> > "Which one? We have over 170. Perhaps you would like to see the whisky
> > list?"
> > "NAAA, AH WANNA SKAAAATCH!"
> > "Okay, what sort of price range can you afford?"
> > "WHATEVER!"
> > "Ah, sir, I see.. I have here.. a 27 year old Macallan, at 17.50 a nip.
> > Would that be alright?"
> > "YEAH!"
> >
> > hahahaha.
> >
> > Oh, alright, if that's not good enough, a big group of tourists came in
> > asking if we served food.
> > "Only pies and toasties," said the other barman.
> > "Could we get the menu then?" Said the yanks. Aforementioned barman
> > ripped the front of a barmat, wrote "PIES AND TOASTIES 1.50" on it, and
> > gave it back to them.
> >
> > Tania-<wink>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>   haw haw,  the wonderful Scottish  perchant for sarcasm, and the
> american total lack of understanding of irony
> .. dontcha jus lovit
>
> Ron McUkulele


So, do you know those two fellas in the music shop on the front in
Morecambe, Ron.? The fella with the gray hair, looks like his wife cut it
during one of her monthly fits-and the nicey nicey handsom one with the dark
poney tail? EH?

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:


> 
> 
> So, do you know those two fellas in the music shop on the front in
> Morecambe, Ron.? The fella with the gray hair, looks like his wife cut it
> during one of her monthly fits-and the nicey nicey handsom one with the dark
> poney tail? EH?
> 
> Edith.
> 
>  Hmm  grey haired one - in the guitar dept - could be Gary, he`s a shi.. erm  red hot bass player. 


The pony tailed one..  handsom you say.. why that could be me, cept I 
dont work there.

Ron (Beau) Maverick


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"a l l y"  wrote:


>Hmm... methinks some people spend too much time reading fantasy comics....


"LotR", iydm !



-- 
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"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
>>Hmm... methinks some people spend too much time reading fantasy comics....
>
> "LotR", iydm !
>

Well, yeah, that goes without saying. Are you trying to tell me you don't 
read comics *as well*??

ally-doesn't-believe-it

"Faye King"  wrote in message >

> Just for you.  Stupid tourists... (taken from a funny website I
> found)
>
> I work at one of the most prestigious Whisky & Real Ale pubs in
> Edinburgh. It's very posh and very traditionally Scottish in a posh way
> (but this means, as barstaff, we get the joy of refusing anyone we don't
> like, including students, hen nights and people wearing those bloody
> stupid "Jimmy" hats)
>

<large snip>

Nice one. I know exactly the sort of Edinburgh pub he means. I have never - 
never - crossed the threshold of such a place, however.

:-)

ally

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > So, do you know those two fellas in the music shop on the front in
> > Morecambe, Ron.? The fella with the gray hair, looks like his wife cut
it
> > during one of her monthly fits-and the nicey nicey handsom one with the
dark
> > poney tail? EH?
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >  Hmm  grey haired one - in the guitar dept - could be Gary, he`s a shi..

erm  red hot bass player.

>
> The pony tailed one..  handsom you say.. why that could be me, cept I
> dont work there.
>
> Ron (Beau) Maverick


That day there were 3 or four kids cycling down the hill toward the town,
crossing the street in a big hurry, taking chances, no idea of traffic rules
and when we got to the shop (by car) to our surprise, they were in the shop.
Orly asked if Gary had this and that and Gary answered no, no, no, no, and
Orly wanted so much to buy something. He was looking for a Variax 500, and
some special drum sticks and all kinds o things but the shop didn't have any
of it, so I sits me down and waits, and when we were leaving I sez in
Norwegian, ask them if they have any 6 inch nails so they can nail their
door shut and he sez, shoosh. He's always shooshing me.
After that we drove down some street and ended up looking over the sea
towards an island.Nice down there. So he ordered a guitar at Brampton and
got to play it on stage last night and it was great fun. One minute he was
playing dobro and the next slide then in another chord, ehehe.  I wanted him
to buy the blue one in Barrow costing 500,- more but he sez the 500 does
the same job for less money and that's when I had a prmenition, him owning
two guitars with magic buttons on the side, - in the long run.

Oh, if it were you int shop that day, you have such a nice smile. By the
way, there was a big fella bashing away on a guitar, sitting, like, at the
top of the stairs, like, I think, finger picking. Think it was the day
before The Cockermouth Blues Festival, a Thursday.

Yours, Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote:

>sleepy wrote:

[snip]

I notice you snipped with out mention the real subject 
of our conversation, so I thought I'd repost it just to remind you...


>>"The subject" btw was _carbon dioxide_ , without which, 
>>there would be no animal or plant life on this planet! 


You see, this idea that carbon dioxide is "pollution" that
threatens our existence is utter nonsense.

_Carbon Dioxide is plant food!_

_It is what plants are made of!_

                                               light
Carbon dioxide + water   ------> carbohydrate + oxygen

Without carbon dioxide, there is no photosynthesis.
Without photosynthesis, there are no plants, and
without  plants, there are no animals.

Incidentally, 3.5 billion years ago, atmospheric levels of 
CO2 were _at least_ 100 times greater than present day 
levels, and there was _no_ runaway greenhouse effect!


-- 
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"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
news:1bgph153ndine58vm6hei5vgogslh585qq@4ax.com...

> "a l l y"  wrote:
> >sleepy wrote:
> [snip]
>
> I notice you snipped with out mention the real subject
> of our conversation, so I thought I'd repost it just to remind you...
>
> >>"The subject" btw was _carbon dioxide_ , without which,
> >>there would be no animal or plant life on this planet!
>
> You see, this idea that carbon dioxide is "pollution" that
> threatens our existence is utter nonsense.
>
> _Carbon Dioxide is plant food!_
>
> _It is what plants are made of!_
>
>                                                light
> Carbon dioxide + water   ------> carbohydrate + oxygen
>
> Without carbon dioxide, there is no photosynthesis.
> Without photosynthesis, there are no plants, and
> without  plants, there are no animals.
>
> Incidentally, 3.5 billion years ago, atmospheric levels of
> CO2 were _at least_ 100 times greater than present day
> levels, and there was _no_ runaway greenhouse effect!
>
> Sleepalot   aa #1385


I think, if we stopped burning coal and making holes in the ozone lair with
rockets, we'd sleep better at night.

Goodnight all,

Edith.

> I think, if we stopped burning coal and making holes in the ozone lair with
> rockets, we'd sleep better at night.
> 
> Goodnight all,
> 
> Edith.



I think you are on to something with the rockets, Edith. (more like
missiles and space-bound weapons) 

Good night, sleep tight.

Tania


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Sleepalot wrote:

>
> You see, this idea that carbon dioxide is "pollution" that
> threatens our existence is utter nonsense.
>
> _Carbon Dioxide is plant food!_
>
> _It is what plants are made of!_
>
>                                                light
> Carbon dioxide + water   ------> carbohydrate + oxygen
>
> Without carbon dioxide, there is no photosynthesis.
> Without photosynthesis, there are no plants, and
> without  plants, there are no animals.
>
> Incidentally, 3.5 billion years ago, atmospheric levels of
> CO2 were _at least_ 100 times greater than present day
> levels, and there was _no_ runaway greenhouse effect!


SWMBO just planted some marigolds against my better advice since they will
be devoured by slugs.  So if we can turn all the CO2 into marigolds, the
slugs would eat them and the problem is solved.  Tell me where to pick up me
Nobel Prize.

Al



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"a l l y"  wrote:

>
>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
>news:lp2ph1dmiv0jjnfl331f8g9e5kegerrna3@4ax.com...
>> "a l l y"  wrote:
>>
>>>Hmm... methinks some people spend too much time reading fantasy comics....
>>
>> "LotR", iydm !
>>
>Well, yeah, that goes without saying. Are you trying to tell me you don't 
>read comics *as well*??


I bought a copy of "Viz" about 20 years ago,... does that help?
The thing is, although I generally deny it, I've got a perfectly 
good imagination of my own, and the added advantage that
I know my own tastes. 

>
>ally-doesn't-believe-it 
>

ally-goes-fishing-for-fantasies, I think.
Would you like me to give you one?  ;-)


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"Sleepalot" <>

> Incidentally, 3.5 billion years ago, atmospheric levels of
> CO2 were _at least_ 100 times greater than present day
> levels, and there was _no_ runaway greenhouse effect!
>
>

Is that from memory or did you read about it?

Rex.

> 

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >>

> ally-goes-fishing-for-fantasies, I think.
> Would you like me to give you one?  ;-)
>

Er.... thanks, but I'll pass...

<whew!>

ally

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >


>>>"The subject" btw was _carbon dioxide_ , without which,
>>>there would be no animal or plant life on this planet!


I've never disputed that fact.


>
> You see, this idea that carbon dioxide is "pollution" that
> threatens our existence is utter nonsense.
>
> _Carbon Dioxide is plant food!_
>
> _It is what plants are made of!_
>
>                                               light
> Carbon dioxide + water   ------> carbohydrate + oxygen
>
> Without carbon dioxide, there is no photosynthesis.
> Without photosynthesis, there are no plants, and
> without  plants, there are no animals.
>
> Incidentally, 3.5 billion years ago, atmospheric levels of
> CO2 were _at least_ 100 times greater than present day
> levels, and there was _no_ runaway greenhouse effect!
>

Who's arguing?

ally

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
news:1125961523_6273@spool6-east.superfeed.net...

> SWMBO just planted some marigolds against my better advice since they will
> be devoured by slugs.  So if we can turn all the CO2 into marigolds, the
> slugs would eat them and the problem is solved.  Tell me where to pick up
me
> Nobel Prize.
>
> Al


Tell SWMBO that if she keeps a few ducks/geese in her back garden she won't
have slugs, you'll have eggs, a roast for Christmas dinner and a lot of
guano for her Marigolds to thrive on.

Skidrow Edith.

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
> I bought a copy of "Viz" about 20 years ago,... does that help?
> The thing is, although I generally deny it, I've got a perfectly
> good imagination of my own, and the added advantage that
> I know my own tastes.
> >
> >ally-doesn't-believe-it
> >
> ally-goes-fishing-for-fantasies, I think.
> Would you like me to give you one?  ;-)
>
> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>

Title for a new book. "Fantasy or Fish"

Editor Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message >>
> > ally-goes-fishing-for-fantasies, I think.
> > Would you like me to give you one?  ;-)
> >
> Er.... thanks, but I'll pass...
>
> <whew!>
>
> ally


He's getting fresh these days, in't he. It's obvious he's feeling better. I
think he has a flimsy on the side.

Edith.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> "Sleepalot" <>
> > Incidentally, 3.5 billion years ago, atmospheric levels of
> > CO2 were _at least_ 100 times greater than present day
> > levels, and there was _no_ runaway greenhouse effect!
> >
> >
> Is that from memory or did you read about it?
>
> Rex.


Lol.

Edith.

"Faye King"  wrote in message
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> > I think, if we stopped burning coal and making holes in the ozone lair
with
> > rockets, we'd sleep better at night.
> >
> > Goodnight all,
> >
> > Edith.
>
>
> I think you are on to something with the rockets, Edith. (more like
> missiles and space-bound weapons)
>
> Good night, sleep tight.
>
> Tania


That coal dust is choking, Tania - and the gas aint too good either.

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote:


>I think, if we stopped burning coal and making holes in the ozone lair with
>rockets, we'd sleep better at night.
>
>Goodnight all,
>
>Edith.
>

Holes in the ozone layer? Definitely a very bad thing.
Bad for plants, and bad for us.
They are not caused by carbon dioxide. 
They are not caused by burning coal.
They are caused by ozone-depleting chemicals which 
(usually) contain chlorine, florine and bromine. 


-- 
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"Norcot"  wrote:


>
>"Sleepalot" <>
>> Incidentally, 3.5 billion years ago, atmospheric levels of
>> CO2 were _at least_ 100 times greater than present day
>> levels, and there was _no_ runaway greenhouse effect!
>>
>>
>Is that from memory or did you read about it?
>
>Rex.


Thank you for taking an interest, Rex.

The fact about ancient CO2 levels, I read in Brittanica
a couple of days ago. (I can cut n post the relevant bit 
if you want.) The part about "no runaway greenhouse 
effect" is deduced. [1]
 
[1] Please note, I'm not saying the planet was cool at 
that time - it wasn't. It will have been like a sauna.
  

-- 
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"a l l y"  wrote:


>Who's arguing?


Ally...
Message-ID: 
" It's true though - it is all our fault."

Al...
Message-ID: 
"So if we can turn all the CO2 into marigolds, the slugs would eat 
them and the problem is solved."

JP...
Message-ID: <9ogSe.830$YC1.3@fe08.lga>
"Kids hopefully learn that trees are important to us in removing 
CO2 from the air." 

and then of course, there's Jonny...
news:1125513518_29@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
Who I won't quote for reasons of space. 
If you click on the underlined bits, your newsreader should 
take you to the complete message. 

Did i miss anyone. ;-)

-- 
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> Holes in the ozone layer? Definitely a very bad thing.
> Bad for plants, and bad for us.
> They are not caused by carbon dioxide. 
> They are not caused by burning coal.
> They are caused by ozone-depleting chemicals which 
> (usually) contain chlorine, florine and bromine. 


So why don't they have high altitude weather balloons with 
solar-powered ozone generators flying above the poles?

Seriously, I read that 1 molecule of a CFC can destroy 100,000 
molecules of ozone. I haven't read anything about how long CFC's 
persist in the stratosphere. Could it be the damage is 
permanently done? Or will CFC's break down with exposure to high 
UVB themselves (seems somewhat likely) and therefore the problem 
has some hope of being reversed. Any knowledge about CFC 
persistence?

Johnny-curious

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> "a l l y"  wrote:
> 
>>Who's arguing?
> 
> Ally...
> Message-ID: 
> " It's true though - it is all our fault."
> 
> Al...
> Message-ID: 
> "So if we can turn all the CO2 into marigolds, the slugs
> would eat them and the problem is solved."
> 
> JP...
> Message-ID: <9ogSe.830$YC1.3@fe08.lga>
> "Kids hopefully learn that trees are important to us in
> removing CO2 from the air." 
> 
> and then of course, there's Jonny...
> news:1125513518_29@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> Who I won't quote for reasons of space. 
> If you click on the underlined bits, your newsreader should
> take you to the complete message. 
> 
> Did i miss anyone. ;-)


What underlined bits?

Johnny-with-an-h


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"Sleepalot"  wrote in message

> If you click on the underlined bits, your newsreader should
> take you to the complete message.
>

No it doesn't. It just opens a new email pane addressed to the underlined 
code.

ally

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
>>Who's arguing?
>
> Ally...
> Message-ID: 
> " It's true though - it is all our fault."
>
> If you click on the underlined bits, your newsreader should
> take you to the complete message.
>
> Did i miss anyone. ;-)
>

The trouble is, dear Sleepy, that you have enough time on your hands to find 
these things and quote them, whereas some of the rest of us are just too 
busy to follow them up properly, much as we'd like to.

Oh well, maybe if you keep on niggling at it like this I'll get around to 
doing the research and writing a proper annotated essay on the subject, but 
don't hold your breath...

ally-back-from-FoE-meeting

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> Oh well, maybe if you keep on niggling at it like this I'll get around to
> doing the research and writing a proper annotated essay on the subject,
but
> don't hold your breath...
>
> ally-back-from-FoE-meeting


Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3o6frbF4evcqU1@individual.net...
>
>> Oh well, maybe if you keep on niggling at it like this I'll get around to
>> doing the research and writing a proper annotated essay on the subject,
> but
>> don't hold your breath...
>>
>> ally-back-from-FoE-meeting
>
> Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.
>

Have you any idea at all what FoE stands for, Edith?

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:2I6dndInjqcFkYPe4p2dnA@telenor.com...
> >
> > "a l l y"  wrote in message
> > news:3o6frbF4evcqU1@individual.net...
> >
> >> Oh well, maybe if you keep on niggling at it like this I'll get around
to
> >> doing the research and writing a proper annotated essay on the subject,
> > but
> >> don't hold your breath...
> >>
> >> ally-back-from-FoE-meeting
> >
> > Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.
> >
> Have you any idea at all what FoE stands for, Edith?
>
> ally


Yes. I'm quite good at it now. F..f off Edith. I'm very hurt.

Edith

a l l y wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
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>>
>> "a l l y"  wrote in message
>> news:3o6frbF4evcqU1@individual.net...
>>
>>> Oh well, maybe if you keep on niggling at it like this I'll get
>>> around to doing the research and writing a proper annotated essay
>>> on the subject, but don't hold your breath...
>>>
>>> ally-back-from-FoE-meeting
>>
>> Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.
>>
> Have you any idea at all what FoE stands for, Edith?


Fiends of Egremont
Fairies of Elterwater
Fruitcakes of Edinburgh
Feelers of Eels

want me to go on?

Al




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"a l l y"  wrote:


>
>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
>> If you click on the underlined bits, your newsreader should
>> take you to the complete message.
>>
>No it doesn't. It just opens a new email pane addressed to the underlined 
>code.
>
>ally 


Ah, you want to get yerself a decent newsagent !  ;-)


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"a l l y"  wrote:


>
>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
>news:d9irh11odmju4uneis1sr1k72givhtdlnj@4ax.com...

>> Ally...
>> Message-ID: 
>> " It's true though - it is all our fault."
>>
>Oh well, maybe if you keep on niggling at it like this 
>I'll get around to doing the research 


You've taken a position on this issue without doing any 
research?


>and writing a proper annotated essay on the subject,


Nooo, don't go writing an essay - this is Usenet  - nobody
will read it. The easiest way to handle me is to ask me a
question. That way, I have to do the hard work to answer it.


>but  don't hold your breath...
>
>ally-back-from-FoE-meeting 


I would imagine that they have an official line on this issue,
and possibly something more that empty rhetoric to support it.


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"The Traveller"  wrote:


>
>"a l l y"  wrote in message
>news:3o6frbF4evcqU1@individual.net...
>
>> ally-back-from-FoE-meeting
>
>Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.
>
>Edith.
>

No, that would be FO,E

FoE, could be :
Friends of Edith,
Fans of Edith,
er,...

-- 
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"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "The Traveller"  wrote:
>
> >
> >"a l l y"  wrote in message
> >news:3o6frbF4evcqU1@individual.net...
> >
> >> ally-back-from-FoE-meeting
> >
> >Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.
> >
> >Edith.
> >
> No, that would be FO,E
>
> FoE, could be :
> Friends of Edith,
> Fans of Edith,
> er,...
>
> Sleepalot   aa #1385


Thank goodness. I was really worried there for a moment. A FoE meeting, oh
dear, I thought my dooms day had arrived, for sure.

Edith Nosleep. Two big machines digging up the street outside, laying down
new pipes and cables.

"a l l y" >>

>> Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.
>>
> Have you any idea at all what FoE stands for, Edith?
>
>
> Faeries on ecstasy?

Rex.
> 

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> "a l l y" >>
> >> Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.
> >>
> > Have you any idea at all what FoE stands for, Edith?
> >
> >
> > Faeries on ecstasy?
>
> Rex.


:))))

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
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> > Have you any idea at all what FoE stands for, Edith?
>
> Fiends of Egremont
> Fairies of Elterwater
> Fruitcakes of Edinburgh
> Feelers of Eels
>
> want me to go on?
>
> Al


roflll! Yes please, Al.

Edith.

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
>>> If you click on the underlined bits, your newsreader should
>>> take you to the complete message.
>>>
>>No it doesn't. It just opens a new email pane addressed to the underlined
>>code.
>>
>>ally
>
> Ah, you want to get yerself a decent newsagent !  ;-)
>

Yeah, it's one of those things I keep meaning to do, but since the one I'm 
using normally does most of what I want from it I usually find I have better 
things to do and never get around to it.

But you are right. I really should.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >> >>

>> >> ally-back-from-FoE-meeting
>> >
>> > Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.
>> >
>> Have you any idea at all what FoE stands for, Edith?
>>
>> ally
>
> Yes. I'm quite good at it now. F..f off Edith. I'm very hurt.
>

HAHA! ROFL! and all that stuff!

www.foe-westcumbria.co.uk

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >>

>> FoE, could be :
>> Friends of Edith,
>> Fans of Edith,
>> er,...
>>
>> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>
> Thank goodness. I was really worried there for a moment. A FoE meeting, oh
> dear, I thought my dooms day had arrived, for sure.
>
> Edith Nosleep. Two big machines digging up the street outside, laying down
> new pipes and cables.
>

Yeah, we could describe all the boinks you've been at, Edith, as FoE 
meetings, I suppose....

ally

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >

> You've taken a position on this issue without doing any
> research?


No, I just have a very poor memory for details and I like to get my facts 
right before I commit them to cyberspace.


>
>>and writing a proper annotated essay on the subject,
>
> Nooo, don't go writing an essay - this is Usenet  - nobody
> will read it. The easiest way to handle me is to ask me a
> question. That way, I have to do the hard work to answer it.


Yeah, and then I have to do hard work to refute your argument...


>
>>but  don't hold your breath...
>>
>>ally-back-from-FoE-meeting
>
> I would imagine that they have an official line on this issue,
> and possibly something more that empty rhetoric to support it.
>

Yes. This is what I need to read up on.

ally

"Faye King"  wrote in message > > ps: Orlando has a
sound job on Saturday night. Guess what.  I'm listening to a blues song
right

> now.
> I've been on a kick lately.  "I gave you seven children and now you're
> trying to give them back".  Love that line.


Hey Tania. A good line, that one. Cors, she could have taken 7 abortions and
explained with the fraise (I offered them up to gawd) dam and probably get
away with it.

Edith Cynically.

ps. Notice I use small letters in total lack of respect for everything that
comes from above, especially guano.

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
> ally-goes-fishing-for-fantasies, I think.
> Would you like me to give you one?  ;-)
>
> Sleepalot   aa #1385


Edith goes fishing for scraps.

Edwina

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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message >> >>
> >> >> ally-back-from-FoE-meeting
> >> >
> >> > Sob, oh sob. An F o E meeting. Oh sob, how cruel you are.
> >> >
> >> Have you any idea at all what FoE stands for, Edith?
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > Yes. I'm quite good at it now. F..f off Edith. I'm very hurt.
> >
> HAHA! ROFL! and all that stuff!
>
> www.foe-westcumbria.co.uk
>
> ally


If you are going to meet up in January 2005 you'll all have to go back in
time.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message >>
> >> FoE, could be :
> >> Friends of Edith,
> >> Fans of Edith,
> >> er,...
> >>
> >> Sleepalot   aa #1385
> >
> > Thank goodness. I was really worried there for a moment. A FoE meeting,
oh
> > dear, I thought my dooms day had arrived, for sure.
> >
> > Edith Nosleep. Two big machines digging up the street outside, laying
down
> > new pipes and cables.
> >
> Yeah, we could describe all the boinks you've been at, Edith, as FoE
> meetings, I suppose....
>
> ally


No thank you. You are the only one that has been to them all so we'll call
them "Alley Boinks"

Like, there wuz this yan time when a wuz down this back Alley with a sailor
and ........................boink! That put him in his place, a'az tellin'
yuh.

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:NLOdnUmYE->


> If you are going to meet up in January 2005 you'll all have to go back in
> time.
>

Hmm. Time we got rid of the FoE Tardis and just updated the website, eh? 
Time machines are *very* bad for the environment...

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >

> No thank you. You are the only one that has been to them all ...........


I am?


.....so we'll call them "Alley Boinks"

Now there's an idea for the next venue. Down some lane or other...

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> Time machines are *very* bad for the environment...
>
> ally


Oh, a dunno. Imagine sending every leader that ever was, shoved thro' a
telephone booth, back fto be Dinasaur cold meat dinners bwaahahaha.

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3o7vl9F4d317U1@individual.net...
> >
> > "The Traveller"  wrote in message >>
> > >> FoE, could be :
> > >> Friends of Edith,
> > >> Fans of Edith,
> > >> er,...
> > >>
> > >> Sleepalot   aa #1385
> > >
> > > Thank goodness. I was really worried there for a moment. A FoE
meeting,
> oh
> > > dear, I thought my dooms day had arrived, for sure.
> > >
> > > Edith Nosleep. Two big machines digging up the street outside, laying
> down
> > > new pipes and cables.
> > >
> > Yeah, we could describe all the boinks you've been at, Edith, as FoE
> > meetings, I suppose....
> >
> > ally
>
> No thank you. You are the only one that has been to them all so we'll call
> them "Alley Boinks"
>
> Like, there wuz this yan time when a wuz down this back Alley with a
sailor
> and ........................boink! That put him in his place, a'az tellin'
> yuh.
>
> Edith.


D'yuh mean that, Ally? FoE meetings. I've just skopped me chuddy out the car
window.

Edith

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3o87ndF4ncqbU1@individual.net...
>> Time machines are *very* bad for the environment...
>>
>> ally
>
> Oh, a dunno. Imagine sending every leader that ever was, shoved thro' a
> telephone booth, back fto be Dinasaur cold meat dinners bwaahahaha.
>

Scary thought. So you send all these phychopaths, sociopaths, monsters and 
tyrants back in time so that their very existence there will affect, in some 
way, the course of history and, in fact, pre-history? Picking a blade of 
grass in the past might affect the future, so what on earth effect would all 
that lot have? It doesn't bear thinking about! Mind you, nice idea for an SF 
plot...

Personally I'd rather they stayed here where at least we can keep an eye on 
'em.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >


> D'yuh mean that, Ally? FoE meetings.>


Huh? Do I mean what? That FoE could be a new name for boinks attended by 
your good self?


> I've just skopped me chuddy out the car window.


Don't get all excited about it, now. (You're online in a car? Clever....)

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message > Scary thought. 
So you send all these phychopaths, sociopaths, monsters and

> tyrants back in time so that their very existence there will affect, in 
> some way, the course of history and, in fact, pre-history? Picking a blade 
> of grass in the past might affect the future, so what on earth effect 
> would all that lot have? It doesn't bear thinking about! Mind you, nice 
> idea for an SF plot...
>
> Personally I'd rather they stayed here where at least we can keep an eye 
> on 'em.
>

I thought that, Ally. Nice idea for an SF plot. My novel 'The Tomatoes of 
Time' did explore the possibilty but now some smart physicist has said we 
cannot alter things retrospectively whatever we do, so the plot line is no 
longer valid.  I can't recall the logic of his/her argument. Possibly Sleepy 
is up to speed on it?

Rex.

"Norcot"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message > Scary 
> thought. So you send all these phychopaths, sociopaths, monsters and
>> tyrants back in time so that their very existence there will affect, in 
>> some way, the course of history and, in fact, pre-history? Picking a 
>> blade of grass in the past might affect the future, so what on earth 
>> effect would all that lot have? It doesn't bear thinking about! Mind you, 
>> nice idea for an SF plot...
>>
>> Personally I'd rather they stayed here where at least we can keep an eye 
>> on 'em.
>>
> I thought that, Ally. Nice idea for an SF plot. My novel 'The Tomatoes of 
> Time' did explore the possibilty but now some smart physicist has said we 
> cannot alter things retrospectively whatever we do, so the plot line is no 
> longer valid.  I can't recall the logic of his/her argument. Possibly 
> Sleepy is up to speed on it?
>

One of the problems is the possibility of alternative time-lines, isn't it? 
Infinite, parallel universes and all that. You might be able to travel back 
in time and shoot your own grandmother, but when you travelled to the future 
again, it would be a different timeline - one where your grandmother had 
been shot and where you had never been born. You wouldn't be able to get 
back to your own universe.

I sometimes wonder what it would be like meeting alternative versions of 
myself in these parallel (but sadly, inaccessible) universes. The Ally who 
had worked hard and got a good degree and a good job instead of enjoying the 
60s... The Ally who had married a rich guy... The Ally who had had several 
children, but none of them the one I have in this universe... The Ally who 
had pracised a bit harder and become a rock star... The Ally who had died 
young.... Would I like them? Would they like me - or each other? Would I 
long for their children, their husbands, their jobs?

Hands off my plot, Rex!

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message >

> I sometimes wonder what it would be like meeting alternative versions of 
> myself in these parallel (but sadly, inaccessible) universes. The Ally who 
> had worked hard and got a good degree and a good job instead of enjoying 
> the 60s... The Ally who had married a rich guy... The Ally who had had 
> several children, but none of them the one I have in this universe... The 
> Ally who had pracised a bit harder and become a rock star... The Ally who 
> had died young.... Would I like them? Would they like me - or each other? 
> Would I long for their children, their husbands, their jobs?
>
> Hands off my plot, Rex!
>
> ally
> Your plot! Sounds like a series to me.



Rex.

"Norcot"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message >
>> I sometimes wonder what it would be like meeting alternative versions of 
>> myself in these parallel (but sadly, inaccessible) universes. The Ally 
>> who had worked hard and got a good degree and a good job instead of 
>> enjoying the 60s... The Ally who had married a rich guy... The Ally who 
>> had had several children, but none of them the one I have in this 
>> universe... The Ally who had pracised a bit harder and become a rock 
>> star... The Ally who had died young.... Would I like them? Would they 
>> like me - or each other? Would I long for their children, their husbands, 
>> their jobs?
>>
>> Hands off my plot, Rex!
>>
>> ally
>> Your plot! Sounds like a series to me.
>

Yeah, it does, doesn't it? It could run for weeks... months... years... a 
bit like "Quantum Leap" but with a female lead and storylines of more 
interest to women. Hmm... I'll write the scripts if I can find someone to 
produce the shows... Now who should I get to play me? Someone gorgeous and 
sexy of course. Hmm.... Sarah Michelle Gellar must be at a loose end now 
Buffy's finished...

ally-away-in-fantasy-land

a l l y wrote:


>>>
>>>ally
>>>Your plot! Sounds like a series to me.
>>
> Yeah, it does, doesn't it? It could run for weeks... months... years... a 
> bit like "Quantum Leap" but with a female lead and storylines of more 
> interest to women. Hmm... I'll write the scripts if I can find someone to 
> produce the shows... Now who should I get to play me? Someone gorgeous and 
> sexy of course. Hmm.... Sarah Michelle Gellar must be at a loose end now 
> Buffy's finished...
> 
> ally-away-in-fantasy-land 
> 
> 

ooh ooh.. can I be the suave sophisticated yet slightly batty professor 
who is always knowlegable about everything, never gets hurt and gets to 
drive a pretty cool car.. oh,  and dallies with lots of nice ladies. 
aye thang yew

fantasially
Professor Celcius O'Degrees



-- 
Lune Valley Slayers
entities disposed of while they wait
www.lunevalleyaudio.com

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>> Yeah, it does, doesn't it? It could run for weeks... months... years... a 
>> bit like "Quantum Leap" but with a female lead and storylines of more 
>> interest to women. Hmm... I'll write the scripts if I can find someone to 
>> produce the shows... Now who should I get to play me? Someone gorgeous 
>> and sexy of course. Hmm.... Sarah Michelle Gellar must be at a loose end 
>> now Buffy's finished...
>>
>> ally-away-in-fantasy-land
> ooh ooh.. can I be the suave sophisticated yet slightly batty professor 
> who is always knowlegable about everything, never gets hurt and gets to 
> drive a pretty cool car.. oh,  and dallies with lots of nice ladies. aye 
> thang yew
>

You sound perfect for such a role, Ron, but unfortunately any sophisticated 
professors in *my* story will be of the female persuasion, and, at least I 
am led to believe, you are not such.

There might be an opening for a slack-jawed but hunky stud somewhere down 
the line, though...

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> Hands off my plot, Rex!
>
> ally


He has is hand's on your PLOT? That's sick. What does Steve say to this,
hey?

Edith.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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> > Hands off my plot, Rex!
> >
> > ally
> > Your plot! Sounds like a series to me.
>
> Rex.


A series of hands on your PLOT. Well I'll be a mokey's cousin.

Edith.

"Norcot"  wrote:


>I thought that, Ally. Nice idea for an SF plot. My novel 'The Tomatoes of 
>Time' did explore the possibilty but now some smart physicist has said we 
>cannot alter things retrospectively whatever we do, so the plot line is no 
>longer valid.  I can't recall the logic of his/her argument. Possibly Sleepy 
>is up to speed on it?
>
>Rex. 
>

Hmmm,... so much to say... where to begin?
Ok, working backwards:-
A) No, I'm not familiar with that argument.
B) So long as it's self-consistent, your version of 
     time-travel theory is as good as any other. [1]
C) Non-retrospectivity ? [1]
D) Even smart physicists can say stupid things. (But
      time-travel is safe ground - you can never be 
      proved wrong.)
E) Imo, the idea of going back in time is absurd as
     that of going to "Heaven". [2]


[1] It's entirely a question of which universal laws you
choose to break, and which you rigidly adhere to.

A thought experiment...

9:00  You are buying an apple
10:00 You are walking home
11:00 You are at home, eating your apple
12:00 you are travelling from home, back to 10:00

If you only time-travel, then when you get back to 10:00,
you will still be at home. It seems then that there are two 
instances of you at 10:00 but that means the universe
has gained mass: mass has been created, which 
contravenes a universal law. Similarly, it seems you
can't time-and-space-travel to anywhere else in the 
past universe - you'd have to create mass to do so.
If you swapped places with yourself, you'd preserve 
the mass of the universe, and your (new) past self 
would never catch up with your (new) present self,
and,... my brain has melted !

[2] Imo, the reason you can't go back to the past 
is that it no longer exists. If you attempt to solve
this problem, you're doing philosophy, not physics.


-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

"a l l y"  wrote:


>
>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >
>> You've taken a position on this issue without doing any
>> research?
>
>No, I just have a very poor memory for details and I like to get my facts 
>right before I commit them to cyberspace.


Aye, facts are good, but you shouldn't be too afraid of
making a mistake - this is only uk.l.c..


>>>and writing a proper annotated essay on the subject,
>>
>> Nooo, don't go writing an essay - this is Usenet  - nobody
>> will read it. The easiest way to handle me is to ask me a
>> question. That way, I have to do the hard work to answer it.
>
>Yeah, and then I have to do hard work to refute your argument...


Good grief! There's no pleasing you, is there? 


>>>but  don't hold your breath...
>>>
>>>ally-back-from-FoE-meeting
>>
>> I would imagine that they have an official line on this issue,
>> and possibly something more that empty rhetoric to support it.
>>
>Yes. This is what I need to read up on.

OK.
>
>ally 
>


-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

Going back in time is easy. All you have to do is look up at a star.
Traveling in time is easy. All you have to do is hit a black hole and hope
there's an opening at the other end. Simple theories are best

Parallelingly,
Edith.

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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> "Norcot"  wrote:
>
>>I thought that, Ally. Nice idea for an SF plot. My novel 'The Tomatoes of
>>Time' did explore the possibilty but now some smart physicist has said we
>>cannot alter things retrospectively whatever we do, so the plot line is no
>>longer valid.  I can't recall the logic of his/her argument. Possibly 
>>Sleepy
>>is up to speed on it?
>>
>>Rex.
>>
> Hmmm,... so much to say... where to begin?
> Ok, working backwards:-
> A) No, I'm not familiar with that argument.
> B) So long as it's self-consistent, your version of
>     time-travel theory is as good as any other. [1]
> C) Non-retrospectivity ? [1]
> D) Even smart physicists can say stupid things. (But
>      time-travel is safe ground - you can never be
>      proved wrong.)
> E) Imo, the idea of going back in time is absurd as
>     that of going to "Heaven". [2]
>
>
> [1] It's entirely a question of which universal laws you
> choose to break, and which you rigidly adhere to.
>
> A thought experiment...
>
> 9:00  You are buying an apple
> 10:00 You are walking home
> 11:00 You are at home, eating your apple
> 12:00 you are travelling from home, back to 10:00
>
> If you only time-travel, then when you get back to 10:00,
> you will still be at home. It seems then that there are two
> instances of you at 10:00 but that means the universe
> has gained mass: mass has been created, which
> contravenes a universal law. Similarly, it seems you
> can't time-and-space-travel to anywhere else in the
> past universe - you'd have to create mass to do so.
> If you swapped places with yourself, you'd preserve
> the mass of the universe, and your (new) past self
> would never catch up with your (new) present self,
> and,... my brain has melted !
>
> [2] Imo, the reason you can't go back to the past
> is that it no longer exists. If you attempt to solve
> this problem, you're doing philosophy, not physics.
>
>
> -- 
> Sleepalot   aa #1385


Phew!  So my book - my only award winning book - is safe. Praise be.


Rex.  Must get a shoehorn to get this tongue out of my cheek.

> 

a l l y wrote:


>> Ron O'Quincy md  wrote
>>ooh ooh.. can I be the suave sophisticated yet slightly batty professor 
>>who is always knowlegable about everything, never gets hurt and gets to 
>>drive a pretty cool car.. oh,  and dallies with lots of nice ladies. aye 
>>thang yew
>>
> 
> You sound perfect for such a role, Ron, but unfortunately any sophisticated 
> professors in *my* story will be of the female persuasion, and, at least I 
> am led to believe, you are not such.
> 
> There might be an opening for a slack-jawed but hunky stud somewhere down 
> the line, though...
> 
> ally 
> 


I dont do slack jawed.. Can I be the handsom one who solves all the 
crimes with the help of a huge but stupid Great Dane ?
You Ally can be the nice tall blonde one with boobs,..
Now we need a short chubby plain girl with thick glasses....  who could 
play her?

thejanitoralwaysdiditly

Ron (Doc) Watson
crimes solved to a bluegrass theme




-- 
 >insert blurb here<
www.lunevalleyaudio.com

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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> Phew!  So my book - my only award winning book - is safe. Praise be.
>
>
> Rex.  Must get a shoehorn to get this tongue out of my cheek.


Good for you, sweety. Congratulations. Which one was it, Rex?

Edith.

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message
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> a l l y wrote:
>
> >> Ron O'Quincy md  wrote
> >>ooh ooh.. can I be the suave sophisticated yet slightly batty professor
> >>who is always knowlegable about everything, never gets hurt and gets to
> >>drive a pretty cool car.. oh,  and dallies with lots of nice ladies. aye
> >>thang yew
> >>
> >
> > You sound perfect for such a role, Ron, but unfortunately any
sophisticated
> > professors in *my* story will be of the female persuasion, and, at least
I
> > am led to believe, you are not such.
> >
> > There might be an opening for a slack-jawed but hunky stud somewhere
down
> > the line, though...
> >
> > ally
> >
>
> I dont do slack jawed.. Can I be the handsom one who solves all the
> crimes with the help of a huge but stupid Great Dane ?
> You Ally can be the nice tall blonde one with boobs,..
> Now we need a short chubby plain girl with thick glasses....  who could
> play her?
>
> thejanitoralwaysdiditly


That's me. That's me. Me. Edith.

>
> Ron (Doc) Watson
> crimes solved to a bluegrass theme


I married me a my wife
She gave me trouble, all my life
Left me out in the cold rain and snow

Rain and snow-o-o-o-ow
Left me out in the cold rain and snow

She came down the stairs
Combing down her long yellow hair
And her lips were as red as a rose

As a ro-o-o-o-ose, and her lips were as red as a rose (Ricky Scrags)

"The Traveller" <


> Good for you, sweety. Congratulations. Which one was it, Rex?
>
> Edith.
>


As you have copy, try reading it. It's on the front cover.


Rex

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>
> "The Traveller" <
>
> > Good for you, sweety. Congratulations. Which one was it, Rex?
> >
> > Edith.
> >
>
> As you have copy, try reading it. It's on the front cover.
>
> Rex


They won't let me on to the front page. There is nothing to click on to
enlarge it.

Edith.

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>
> "Norcot"  wrote in message
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>>
>> "The Traveller" <
>>
>> > Good for you, sweety. Congratulations. Which one was it, Rex?
>> >
>> > Edith.
>> >
>>
>> As you have copy, try reading it. It's on the front cover.
>>
>> Rex
>
> They won't let me on to the front page. There is nothing to click on to
> enlarge it.
>
> Edith.
>

 We seem to be speaking different languages, you & I'll
 try again.  Which book has an award? The one with the award announcement on 
the front cover. I sent you a copy yonks ago.

Rex.

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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
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> >
> > "Norcot"  wrote in message
> > news:paVTe.842$yF2.145@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> >>
> >> "The Traveller" <
> >>
> >> > Good for you, sweety. Congratulations. Which one was it, Rex?
> >> >
> >> > Edith.
> >> >
> >>
> >> As you have copy, try reading it. It's on the front cover.
> >>
> >> Rex
> >
> > They won't let me on to the front page. There is nothing to click on to
> > enlarge it.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
>  We seem to be speaking different languages, you & I'll
>  try again.  Which book has an award? The one with the award announcement
on
> the front cover. I sent you a copy yonks ago.
>
> Rex.


I'm at Orly's flat now so I can't check it. I believe it is "The Tomatos of
Time"

Edith, off for breakfast.

> I married me a my wife
> She gave me trouble, all my life
> Left me out in the cold rain and snow
> 
> Rain and snow-o-o-o-ow
> Left me out in the cold rain and snow
> 
> She came down the stairs
> Combing down her long yellow hair
> And her lips were as red as a rose
> 
> As a ro-o-o-o-ose, and her lips were as red as a rose
> (Ricky Scrags) 


Those are the worst lyrics I ever read.

Johnny-appalled

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> Rex.  Must get a shoehorn to get this tongue out of my
> cheek. 


I hope you rince that shoehorn off first.

Yuck.

Johnny-slightly-disgusted

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > I married me a my wife
> > She gave me trouble, all my life
> > Left me out in the cold rain and snow
> >
> > Rain and snow-o-o-o-ow
> > Left me out in the cold rain and snow
> >
> > She came down the stairs
> > Combing down her long yellow hair
> > And her lips were as red as a rose
> >
> > As a ro-o-o-o-ose, and her lips were as red as a rose
> > (Ricky Scrags)
>
> Those are the worst lyrics I ever read.
>
> Johnny-appalled


Loooool. They function when Ricky Scags sings them, if you like Bluegrass.

E

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> I married me a my wife
>> She gave me trouble, all my life
>>


Those first two lines do remind me of Cigareets, Whuskie & Wild Wild Women 
Was that Lonnie Donnegan?

Rex   - Distant echoes of a miss-spent youth.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> Rex.  Must get a shoehorn to get this tongue out of my
>> cheek.
>
> I hope you rince that shoehorn off first.
>
> Yuck.
>    Nah! I lurv cheese. Especially strong cheddar.


Rex.

"Norcot"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:1126183386_21005@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >> Rex.  Must get a shoehorn to get this tongue out of my
> >> cheek.
> >
> > I hope you rince that shoehorn off first.
> >
> > Yuck.
> >    Nah! I lurv cheese. Especially strong cheddar.
>
> Rex.


Would you like some olives to go with it, Rex? :=)

Edith.

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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:1126182812_20997@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >> I married me a my wife
> >> She gave me trouble, all my life
> >>
>
> Those first two lines do remind me of Cigareets, Whuskie & Wild Wild Women
> Was that Lonnie Donnegan?
>
> Rex   - Distant echoes of a miss-spent youth.


Lonnie probably imported it from America. That was a good song. Maybe it was
Fred Rose?? Al, can you help us out here, please?

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >> >    Nah! I lurv 
cheese. Especially strong cheddar.

>>
>> Rex.
>
> Would you like some olives to go with it, Rex? :=)
>
> Edith.
>

 I'd prefer a home done pickled onion.

Rex.

Norcot wrote:

> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:1126182812_20997@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>>> I married me a my wife
>>> She gave me trouble, all my life
>>>
>
> Those first two lines do remind me of Cigareets, Whuskie & Wild Wild
> Women Was that Lonnie Donnegan?
>
> Rex   - Distant echoes of a miss-spent youth.


way before Lonnie Donnegan's time it was probably the "SONS OF THE
PIONEERS".  When I lived in West Ken in the 60's the Aussies in the flat
below found an old 78 of it which they gave to me but it got broken during
one of our moves.  There's more on the subject at
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=65097&messages=26
The most recent recording I have is by Jim Croce.

There's a wave by Homer & Jethro at http://www.geocities.com/u2page5/

Al



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Sleepalot wrote:

> "a l l y"  wrote:
> 
> 
>>Who's arguing?
> 
  (snip)


> JP...
> Message-ID: <9ogSe.830$YC1.3@fe08.lga>
> "Kids hopefully learn that trees are important to us in removing 
> CO2 from the air." 
( snip)

> 
> Did i miss anyone. ;-)


I'm not sure that I understand that I was arguing with you on that 
point. I thought I was agreeing!!

Suddenly there's such a huge amount of posting; I turn my back and maybe 
I'm not reading all the posts.

Jp

> 

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>
>> Those first two lines do remind me of Cigareets, Whuskie & Wild Wild
>> Women Was that Lonnie Donnegan?
>>
>> Rex   - Distant echoes of a miss-spent youth.
>
> way before Lonnie Donnegan's time it was probably the "SONS OF THE
> PIONEERS".  When I lived in West Ken in the 60's the Aussies in the flat
> below found an old 78 of it which they gave to me but it got broken during
> one of our moves.  There's more on the subject at
> http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=65097&messages=26
> The most recent recording I have is by Jim Croce.
>
> There's a wave by Homer & Jethro at http://www.geocities.com/u2page5/


I don't know why I thought of Lonnie. It was in the 60's, I recall a mate of 
mine having a thing about that song. He would sing it at every opportunity.
Funny how sounds can be so evocative of memories.


Rex.

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
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> Norcot wrote:
> > <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> > news:1126182812_20997@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >>> I married me a my wife
> >>> She gave me trouble, all my life
> >>>
> >
> > Those first two lines do remind me of Cigareets, Whuskie & Wild Wild
> > Women Was that Lonnie Donnegan?
> >
> > Rex   - Distant echoes of a miss-spent youth.
>
> way before Lonnie Donnegan's time it was probably the "SONS OF THE
> PIONEERS".  When I lived in West Ken in the 60's the Aussies in the flat
> below found an old 78 of it which they gave to me but it got broken during
> one of our moves.  There's more on the subject at
> http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=65097&messages=26
> The most recent recording I have is by Jim Croce.
>
> There's a wave by Homer & Jethro at http://www.geocities.com/u2page5/
>
> Al


That's very good, Al

Cigarettes are a blight on the whole human race
A man is a monkey with one in his face;
Take warning dear friend, take warning dear brother
A fire's on one end, a fools on the t'other.

Edith

> > There's a wave by Homer & Jethro at http://www.geocities.com/u2page5/


HELP! :0((((((((

Edith

> The most recent recording I have is by Jim Croce.


So it's right up to-date then.

Johnny-rolling-eyes

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Sleepalot wrote:


> 
> I would say these three things (and I'd be interested to hear 
> from anyone who disagreed with them);-
> 
> Trees are important to us.
> CO2 is important for trees.
> CO2 is important to us.
> 
> [1] Actually, I was just being nice. ;-)
> 
>


Aint that why 'the ancients' worshipped trees?

Celtically

Ron O'Pagan

-- 
Lune Valley cairns
chambered tombs. standing stones,
cromlechs a speciality
www.lunevalleyaudio.com

"Ron(UK)"  wrote:


>Aint that why 'the ancients' worshipped trees?
>
>Celtically
>
>Ron O'Pagan


No, no, no, you've got it all wrong... You see the ancients,
made virtually everything they had out of wood, ... you know,
decking, patio furniture and the like,... and they didn't have
"Do-It-All" or "Wickes" you know,... if they wanted wood, they 
had to go into the woods and chop a tree down! In fact - 
cause they didn't have any books or anything, all their 
knowledge was passed down from father to son, so when 
a boy was old enough his father would take him to get some
wood to build a pipe rack, or a magazine stand - something 
small to start with, you know, and of course the boy would 
always go for the biggest tree aound. That's when his dad 
would say "Nee laad, nee," (they all spoke with geordie accents
in those days)  "Wal nee be chappin doon that wan, or wal be
hya awl week, mun, like, away an awl, like! Louve it aloon, moon!" 
(Well it was a sort of georde-come-swedish accent.) And so, of
course certain trees got bigger and bigger, and as the generations
went by, so these trees were considered more and more as
"sacred to the ancients", and began to be worshipped as such,
and that's how we get the term "ancient woodland" - or it could be
aurochs.


-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

Sleepalot wrote:

> "Ron(UK)"  wrote:
>
>> Aint that why 'the ancients' worshipped trees?
>>
>> Celtically
>>
>> Ron O'Pagan
>
> No, no, no, you've got it all wrong... You see the ancients,
> made virtually everything they had out of wood, ... you know,
> decking, patio furniture and the like,... and they didn't have
> "Do-It-All" or "Wickes" you know,... if they wanted wood, they
> had to go into the woods and chop a tree down! In fact -
> cause they didn't have any books or anything, all their
> knowledge was passed down from father to son, so when
> a boy was old enough his father would take him to get some
> wood to build a pipe rack,


you had me really confused there, I didn't realize the ancient had
refineries with pipe racks ;-)

Al




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"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
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> you had me really confused there, I didn't realize the ancient had
> refineries with pipe racks ;-)
>

And magazine racks! I guess it's the ancients we have to blame for the 
modern proliferation of magazines. They built all these magazine racks, and 
wondered what to put in them, so some enterprising ancient had a little bulb 
go on over his head, and he said, "I know! I'll publish a magazine, and 
people can put them in these useless racks!" And so the magazine publishing 
industry was born.

They have a lot to answer for, these ancients...

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
> news:1126318565_3003@spool6->
>> you had me really confused there, I didn't realize the ancient had
>> refineries with pipe racks ;-)
>>
> And magazine racks! I guess it's the ancients we have to blame for the 
> modern proliferation of magazines. They built all these magazine racks, 
> and wondered what to put in them, so some enterprising ancient had a 
> little bulb go on over his head, and he said, "I know! I'll publish a 
> magazine, and people can put them in these useless racks!" And so the 
> magazine publishing industry was born.
>
> They have a lot to answer for, these ancients...
>
> ally
> I believe it was an archbishop who invented the

 the book racks - they are called Canterburies aren't they?

Rex.

Alfred Packer wrote:

> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
> 
>>>The most recent recording I have is by Jim Croce.
>>
>>So it's right up to-date then.
>>
>>Johnny-rolling-eyes
> 
> 
> well you young kids don't have a clue what we're taking about.
> 
> Al - 42 years since his 1st Stones concert.
> 


Thinking of grand old bands with appeal to other kids of Johnny's 
vintage, Mr P is trying to get tickets for one of the 3 Cream concerts 
in NYC in October. First picks to those with American Express on 
Monday!! Fingers crossed.


Jp

Sleepalot wrote:

> "Ron(UK)"  wrote:
> 
> 
>>Aint that why 'the ancients' worshipped trees?
>>
>>Celtically
>>
>>Ron O'Pagan
> 
> 
> No, no, no, you've got it all wrong... You see the ancients,
> made virtually everything they had out of wood, ... you know,
> decking, patio furniture and the like,... and they didn't have
> "Do-It-All" or "Wickes" you know,... if they wanted wood, they 
> had to go into the woods and chop a tree down! In fact - 
> cause they didn't have any books or anything, all their 
> knowledge was passed down from father to son, so when 
> a boy was old enough his father would take him to get some
> wood to build a pipe rack, or a magazine stand - something 
> small to start with, you know, and of course the boy would 
> always go for the biggest tree aound. That's when his dad 
> would say "Nee laad, nee," (they all spoke with geordie accents
> in those days)  "Wal nee be chappin doon that wan, or wal be
> hya awl week, mun, like, away an awl, like! Louve it aloon, moon!" 
> (Well it was a sort of georde-come-swedish accent.) And so, of
> course certain trees got bigger and bigger, and as the generations
> went by, so these trees were considered more and more as
> "sacred to the ancients", and began to be worshipped as such,
> and that's how we get the term "ancient woodland" - or it could be
> aurochs.
> 
> 

Well it sounds like a load of aurochs to me.


understandably
Ron O'Dreams

-- 
Luney Valley Audio
Aurochs talked while you wait
www.lunevalleyaudio.com

"Norcot"  wrote in message 
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>> I believe it was an archbishop who invented the
> the book racks - they are called Canterburies aren't they?
>

Isn't a Canterbury specifically for holding sheet music? We have one. It 
belonged to my granny, I believe, and came to me with her piano when she 
died.

ally

"a l l y"  wrote:


>And magazine racks! I guess it's the ancients we have to blame for the 
>modern proliferation of magazines. They built all these magazine racks, and 
>wondered what to put in them, so some enterprising ancient had a little bulb 
>go on over his head, and he said, "I know! I'll publish a magazine, and 
>people can put them in these useless racks!" And so the magazine publishing 
>industry was born.
>
>They have a lot to answer for, these ancients...
>
>ally 
>

I can see this interests you, Ally, so I've dug up 
some more info on magazines of those times...

"Witch?"  was an early christian publication, while
"Picts and Shovels" was for the Scottish Water industry.
 "Wode n Horse" was aimed at young Celtic men, 
interested in all things militaristic.
Politics was thriving in those times: the somewhat alarmist
Scottish press produced "Roman in the Gloamin'!", while
in the south, Celts had the inspirational "Right Angles!".
And of course, the ancient monument manufacturers had
"Rolling Stone Magazine".



-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

Sleepalot wrote:


> "Witch?"  was an early christian publication, while
> "Picts and Shovels" was for the Scottish Water industry.
>  "Wode n Horse" was aimed at young Celtic men, 
> interested in all things militaristic.
> Politics was thriving in those times: the somewhat alarmist
> Scottish press produced "Roman in the Gloamin'!", while
> in the south, Celts had the inspirational "Right Angles!".
> And of course, the ancient monument manufacturers had
> "Rolling Stone Magazine".
> 
>


These terrible jokes will be the rune of you.

inspirationally
Ron O'gham

-- 
Lune Valley Audio
had me made
www.lunevalleyaudio.com

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "Ron(UK)"  wrote:
>
> >Aint that why 'the ancients' worshipped trees?
> >
> >Celtically
> >
> >Ron O'Pagan
>
> No, no, no, you've got it all wrong... You see the ancients,
> made virtually everything they had out of wood, ... you know,
> decking, patio furniture and the like,... and they didn't have
> "Do-It-All" or "Wickes" you know,... if they wanted wood, they
> had to go into the woods and chop a tree down! In fact -
> cause they didn't have any books or anything, all their
> knowledge was passed down from father to son, so when
> a boy was old enough his father would take him to get some
> wood to build a pipe rack, or a magazine stand - something
> small to start with, you know, and of course the boy would
> always go for the biggest tree aound. That's when his dad
> would say "Nee laad, nee," (they all spoke with geordie accents
> in those days)  "Wal nee be chappin doon that wan, or wal be
> hya awl week, mun, like, away an awl, like! Louve it aloon, moon!"
> (Well it was a sort of georde-come-swedish accent.) And so, of
> course certain trees got bigger and bigger, and as the generations
> went by, so these trees were considered more and more as
> "sacred to the ancients", and began to be worshipped as such,
> and that's how we get the term "ancient woodland" - or it could be
> aurochs.
>
> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>

rofl.

and az thaz garn oot fer te chop a tree doon, bring ez a box o matches back
frae't kiosk on't corner, lad, tuh leit me pipe wid.

Edita.

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
> >And magazine racks! I guess it's the ancients we have to blame for the
> >modern proliferation of magazines. They built all these magazine racks,
and
> >wondered what to put in them, so some enterprising ancient had a little
bulb
> >go on over his head, and he said, "I know! I'll publish a magazine, and
> >people can put them in these useless racks!" And so the magazine
publishing
> >industry was born.
> >
> >They have a lot to answer for, these ancients...
> >
> >ally
> >
> I can see this interests you, Ally, so I've dug up
> some more info on magazines of those times...
>
> "Witch?"  was an early christian publication, while
> "Picts and Shovels" was for the Scottish Water industry.
>  "Wode n Horse" was aimed at young Celtic men,
> interested in all things militaristic.
> Politics was thriving in those times: the somewhat alarmist
> Scottish press produced "Roman in the Gloamin'!", while
> in the south, Celts had the inspirational "Right Angles!".
> And of course, the ancient monument manufacturers had
> "Rolling Stone Magazine".
>
> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>

ROFL. Next you'll be giving us an ancient poem....titter.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Norcot"  wrote in message 
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>
>>> I believe it was an archbishop who invented the
>> the book racks - they are called Canterburies aren't they?
>>
> Isn't a Canterbury specifically for holding sheet music? We have one. It 
> belonged to my granny, I believe, and came to me with her piano when she 
> died.
>
> ally

 Thery might have been once but how many households have sheet music these 
days. They make an excellent paper/magazine rack.

Rex.

"Ron(UK)"  wrote in message 
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> Sleepalot wrote:
>
>> "Witch?"  was an early christian publication, while
>> "Picts and Shovels" was for the Scottish Water industry.
>>  "Wode n Horse" was aimed at young Celtic men, interested in all things 
>> militaristic.
>> Politics was thriving in those times: the somewhat alarmist
>> Scottish press produced "Roman in the Gloamin'!", while
>> in the south, Celts had the inspirational "Right Angles!".
>> And of course, the ancient monument manufacturers had
>> "Rolling Stone Magazine".
>>
>
> These terrible jokes will be the rune of you.



Too late for that, he's already runed.

Rex

"Norcot"  wrote in message 
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> Thery might have been once but how many households have sheet music these 
> days. They make an excellent paper/magazine rack.
>

I actually hadn't thought of that. We have so much sheet music about the 
place - far too much to fit into a single Canterbury - that I genuninely 
didn't think about "normal" houses where there's probably none. Gosh. Many 
of my friends - also musical people - are equally inundated with the stuff. 
I guess we're the weird ones.

I really must try to connect with reality a bit more.

ally-away-with-the-fairies-again

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Norcot"  wrote in message
> news:V8RUe.3614$Q%2.169@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>
> > Thery might have been once but how many households have sheet music
these
> > days. They make an excellent paper/magazine rack.
> >
> I actually hadn't thought of that. We have so much sheet music about the
> place - far too much to fit into a single Canterbury - that I genuninely
> didn't think about "normal" houses where there's probably none. Gosh. Many
> of my friends - also musical people - are equally inundated with the
stuff.
> I guess we're the weird ones.
>
> I really must try to connect with reality a bit more.
>
> ally-away-with-the-fairies-again


connect with reality...you....splutter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oops!

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> ally-away-with-the-fairies-again
>
> connect with reality...you....splutter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oops!
>


Ah. So it's not only Steve who has this opinion of me? Hmmm...

ally-my-reality's-better-than-yours

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:S7idnbwscLD0qLje4p2dnA@telenor.com...
> >>
> >> ally-away-with-the-fairies-again
> >
> > connect with reality...you....splutter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oops!
> >
>
> Ah. So it's not only Steve who has this opinion of me? Hmmm...
>
> ally-my-reality's-better-than-yours


No tisnt. I bet you drive Steve around the bend. Besides, you gave his car
away and that's not nice...chuckle...chuckle.

Edith.

You'll find nowt better
Than to lean out of a window
When twilight time has given birth
To a tranquil setting, shimmering water
And a wonderful view o'er The Solway firth.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >> >

>>
>> Ah. So it's not only Steve who has this opinion of me? Hmmm...
>>
>> ally-my-reality's-better-than-yours
>
> No tisnt. I bet you drive Steve around the bend. Besides, you gave his car
> away and that's not nice...chuckle...chuckle.


Not his car, though it could have been if he'd gotten around to sitting his 
driving test. I am surrounded by men who can't drive. Oh it'd be so nice to 
go to a party and enjoy a decent drink and have someone else drive me home 
for a change...


>
> You'll find nowt better
> Than to lean out of a window
> When twilight time has given birth
> To a tranquil setting, shimmering water
> And a wonderful view o'er The Solway firth.
>

That's nice. Is it yours?

ally

>  Thery might have been once but how many households have
>  sheet music these 
> days. They make an excellent paper/magazine rack.
> 
> Rex. 


Our front room is littered in sheet music.

Johnny-noticed-new-Clapton-sheet-music-this-weekend

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"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message >> >
> >>
> >> Ah. So it's not only Steve who has this opinion of me? Hmmm...
> >>
> >> ally-my-reality's-better-than-yours
> >
> > No tisnt. I bet you drive Steve around the bend. Besides, you gave his
car
> > away and that's not nice...chuckle...chuckle.
>
> Not his car, though it could have been if he'd gotten around to sitting
his
> driving test. I am surrounded by men who can't drive. Oh it'd be so nice
to
> go to a party and enjoy a decent drink and have someone else drive me home
> for a change...
>
> >
> > You'll find nowt better
> > Than to lean out of a window
> > When twilight time has given birth
> > To a tranquil setting, shimmering water
> > And a wonderful view o'er The Solway firth.
> >
> That's nice. Is it yours?
>
> ally


Yes. It's for you.

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:->>

>> >
>> > You'll find nowt better
>> > Than to lean out of a window
>> > When twilight time has given birth
>> > To a tranquil setting, shimmering water
>> > And a wonderful view o'er The Solway firth.
>> >
>> That's nice. Is it yours?
>>
>> ally
>
> Yes. It's for you.
>

Oh, thank you! I shall keep it safely. That's the nicest thing I've been 
given since... erm... Steve last gave me one...

ally-likes-it

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>> Thery might have been once but how many households have
>> sheet music these 
>>days. They make an excellent paper/magazine rack.
>>
>>Rex. 
> 
> 
> Our front room is littered in sheet music.
> 
> Johnny-noticed-new-Clapton-sheet-music-this-weekend



Mr P has tickets to the Cream Concert in New York in October.

Jp (eating potatoes for rest of year)

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:->>
> >> >
> >> > You'll find nowt better
> >> > Than to lean out of a window
> >> > When twilight time has given birth
> >> > To a tranquil setting, shimmering water
> >> > And a wonderful view o'er The Solway firth.
> >> >
> >> That's nice. Is it yours?
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > Yes. It's for you.
> >
> Oh, thank you! I shall keep it safely. That's the nicest thing I've been
> given since... erm... Steve last gave me one...
>
> ally-likes-it


That was before he really got to know you I gather? btw-Did you hear the
door closing this morning.?

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
> >> Thery might have been once but how many households have
> >> sheet music these
> >>days. They make an excellent paper/magazine rack.
> >>
> >>Rex.
> >
> >
> > Our front room is littered in sheet music.
> >
> > Johnny-noticed-new-Clapton-sheet-music-this-weekend
>
>
> Mr P has tickets to the Cream Concert in New York in October.
>
> Jp (eating potatoes for rest of year)


'arve ye no treed porriage, Jp?

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> Mr P has tickets to the Cream Concert in New York in October.
>

I often find these old groups, revived, are a bit of a disappointment. Part 
of the reason we loved them was their youth, their energy, and all the mad 
ideas that come forth from energetic youth (oh yes, and the drugs too...)

We go to see them now, and they're in their 60s, grey, balding and wider 
round the middle than we remember. Sure, many of them can still play a mean 
axe, but they're either playing the same, tired old hits of their youth, 
which they're completely fed up with, having had to play them year in year 
out for the past 30 years, or they've tried to write new stuff which has 
come from an older, wiser and less inspired imagaination, and is lacking so 
much that it probably wouldn't even get them a recording contract if they 
were unknowns.

There are exceptions. Deep Purple, for example, have never stopped playing, 
and bringing out new stuff, and although they've lost 2 of their main 
players they're still a stompin' good band. There will be others.

Would I go and see Cream in 2005?

Just gimme a ticket!

ally

The Traveller wrote:


> 'arve ye no treed porriage, Jp?
> 
> Edith.
> 
> 

Wow, Edie. That's a very convincing Yorkshire accent!


;-)

Jp

> I often find these old groups, revived, are a bit of a
> disappointment. Part of the reason we loved them was their
> youth, their energy, and all the mad ideas that come forth
> from energetic youth (oh yes, and the drugs too...) 
> 
> We go to see them now, and they're in their 60s, grey,
> balding and wider round the middle than we remember. Sure,
> many of them can still play a mean axe, but they're either
> playing the same, tired old hits of their youth, which
> they're completely fed up with, having had to play them
> year in year out for the past 30 years, or they've tried to
> write new stuff which has come from an older, wiser and
> less inspired imagaination, and is lacking so much that it
> probably wouldn't even get them a recording contract if
> they were unknowns.
> 
> There are exceptions. Deep Purple, for example, have never
> stopped playing, and bringing out new stuff, and although
> they've lost 2 of their main players they're still a
> stompin' good band. There will be others. 
> 
> Would I go and see Cream in 2005?
> 
> Just gimme a ticket!
> 
> ally 


I think you are being too hard on the old rockers. Any person 
still working at any career at 60 or 70 is to be 
congratulated. I have friend who is about to turn 70 and he's 
still the best man for many jobs. A real craftsman. Maybe not 
the fastest guy anymore, but still does the best job. By a 
mile.

We went to see the Eagles a few years ago and they are not as 
aged as Cream or the Stones, but it was a terrific concert 
because they are excellent musicians. With improvements in 
technology, I'll bet it surpassed many of their early 
concerts.

Of course, if a group are just cashing in and are crap, then 
that's a different situation.

Johnny-counterpoint

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a l l y wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message 
> news:ZHqVe.434$IC3.233@fe12.lga...
> 
>>
>>Mr P has tickets to the Cream Concert in New York in October.
>>
> 
> I often find these old groups, revived, are a bit of a disappointment. Part 
> of the reason we loved them was their youth, their energy, and all the mad 
> ideas that come forth from energetic youth (oh yes, and the drugs too...)
> 
> We go to see them now, and they're in their 60s, grey, balding and wider 
> round the middle than we remember. Sure, many of them can still play a mean 
> axe, but they're either playing the same, tired old hits of their youth, 
> which they're completely fed up with, having had to play them year in year 
> out for the past 30 years, or they've tried to write new stuff which has 
> come from an older, wiser and less inspired imagaination, and is lacking so 
> much that it probably wouldn't even get them a recording contract if they 
> were unknowns.
> 
> There are exceptions. Deep Purple, for example, have never stopped playing, 
> and bringing out new stuff, and although they've lost 2 of their main 
> players they're still a stompin' good band. There will be others.
> 
> Would I go and see Cream in 2005?
> 
> Just gimme a ticket!
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Give no. Sell? Errrrm.......er, no. (But it's tempting, considering what 
they're fetching unofficially.)

I thought that Pink Floyd, at the Live 8 concert were absolutely 
fabulous, and even though they were performing their most familiar and 
popular classics, there was a whole new audience of young people out 
there, who could hear that music, and feel it for the first time.

Rod Stewart still rocks. He was always croaky. Yes is still just 
amazing. Paul Simon is terrific live and Heart (those ladies are older 
than me) brought the house down!

Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> > 'arve ye no treed porriage, Jp?
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >
> Wow, Edie. That's a very convincing Yorkshire accent!
>
>
> ;-)
>
> Jp
>

It is? Well I never. I know more than I realize.

Edith Waste-o-Talent.

> Give no. Sell? Errrrm.......er, no. (But it's tempting,
> considering what they're fetching unofficially.)
> 
> I thought that Pink Floyd, at the Live 8 concert were
> absolutely fabulous, and even though they were performing
> their most familiar and popular classics, there was a whole
> new audience of young people out there, who could hear that
> music, and feel it for the first time. 
> 
> Rod Stewart still rocks. He was always croaky. Yes is still
> just amazing. Paul Simon is terrific live and Heart (those
> ladies are older than me) brought the house down!
> 
> Jp


I'll give you Pink Floyd and Paul Simon. The rest can retire 
immediately and not be missed.

Johnny-more-discriminating

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