My friend says there was a steam loco through Old Hill on Friday morning, 
probably a light engine, I did not hear it, does anybody know what it was?
Peter

Peter Barnett wrote:


> My friend says there was a steam loco through Old Hill on Friday morning, 
> probably a light engine, I did not hear it, does anybody know what it was?


Excuse me for asking, but even if someone can supply this information,
what use are you going to make of it?

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In message <v9mv6g5l9bh0.1p7hmhu3bio73$.dlg@40tude.net>, Chris Tolley 
 writes

>Peter Barnett wrote:
>
>> My friend says there was a steam loco through Old Hill on Friday morning,
>> probably a light engine, I did not hear it, does anybody know what it was?
>
>Excuse me for asking, but even if someone can supply this information,
>what use are you going to make of it?
>


And what use will you make of his answer?

Don't be such a pedantic bar steward.
-- 
Regards,

James Christie

"Luck is my middle name," he said, indistinctly.
"Mind you, my first name is Bad."

James Christie wrote:


> In message <v9mv6g5l9bh0.1p7hmhu3bio73$.dlg@40tude.net>, Chris Tolley 
>  writes
>>Excuse me for asking, but even if someone can supply this information,
>>what use are you going to make of it?
>>
> And what use will you make of his answer?

I'll understand a little about why someone asks a question which would
never occur to me.


> Don't be such a pedantic bar steward.

Don't be so insolent.
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(47 098 at Eastleigh, 1985)

Chris Tolley wrote:


> Peter Barnett wrote:
> 
> 
>>My friend says there was a steam loco through Old Hill on Friday morning, 
>>probably a light engine, I did not hear it, does anybody know what it was?
> 
> 
> Excuse me for asking, but even if someone can supply this information,
> what use are you going to make of it?
> 


I imageine he's going to tell his friend what it was!

Possibly something to with the Tyseley people, although
http://www.uksteam.info has no relevant entries. Maybe
it was 4965 Rood Ashton Hall having a test run.

Charlie

Chris Tolley wrote:


> James Christie wrote:

> > And what use will you make of his answer?
> I'll understand a little about why someone asks a question which would
> never occur to me.


Scenario: Friend (who has no real interest in railway) mentions to OP
(who obviouly has) that a steam loco passed through local station.

OP is interested as to which loco this might be, and asks polite
question on uk.railway.

Regular and normally respected poster inexplicably feels need to ask
unnecessary, unhelpful, and pointless question.


>
> > Don't be such a pedantic bar steward.
> Don't be so insolent.


Sadly, he's right.

A friend of a friend in the USA runs an operation called Signalsigns.

He has only had a basic message from him but it appears he/they want to
expand to include UK/European railway badges emblems etc to adorn the
assorted paraphernalia they produce.

Could members of the group have a look at his website www.signalsigns.com 
and
pass an opinion. The main point  is if a firm wanted to utilise say the GWR 
or any other                                                         old 
railway company badge who owns the legacy rights to such a badge?
How do Heritage Railways go about using old emblems?
--
Ralph

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:35:52 +0100, "Ralph Rawlinson"
 wrote:


>A friend of a friend in the USA runs an operation called Signalsigns.
>
>He has only had a basic message from him but it appears he/they want to
>expand to include UK/European railway badges emblems etc to adorn the
>assorted paraphernalia they produce.
>
>Could members of the group have a look at his website www.signalsigns.com 
>and
>pass an opinion. The main point  is if a firm wanted to utilise say the GWR 
>or any other                                                         old 
>railway company badge who owns the legacy rights to such a badge?

You are dipping into the murky worlds of copyright and trade marks
where sins might be committed in both, either or neither. IIRC
existing intellectual rights previously enjoyed by British Railways
which were "inherited" upon nationalisation or created since are
vested upon the Secretary of State for Transport (or this week's fancy
name for the job) unless they have been further assigned to others.


>How do Heritage Railways go about using old emblems?

If a badge/design/similar is old enough (standard 70 years
applicable?) then it is out of copyright anyway leaving the "passing
off" and trade-mark infringement aspects to be considered in the
practically unlikely event that the party owning the rights to a
design wishes to do something about it. Heritage railways probably
generally "get away with it" because any actual infringements on the
rights of others are not of a nature worth even a solicitor's letter,
although the opportunity to get stroppy is presumably still open. 
The only current possible litigants would seem to be those trading as
"Great Western" and "Southern" but I don't recall any re-use of old
badges/marks by them.
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"Charles Ellson"  wrote in message
news:3hk6h15gb8tvjskh9u5lou5829tu6fjj28@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:35:52 +0100, "Ralph Rawlinson"
>  wrote:
> >The main point  is if a firm wanted to utilise say the GWR
> >or any other                                                         old
> >railway company badge who owns the legacy rights to such a badge?
> You are dipping into the murky worlds of copyright and trade marks
> where sins might be committed in both, either or neither.


If you're talking about coats of arms, you've also got the College of Arms
to reckon with. Get it wrong, and you might find yourself in the Court of
Chivalry - and yes it does still exist -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Chivalry

Mike

"Mike Humphrey"  wrote in message
news:431490f3$0$17483$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...

> "Charles Ellson"  wrote in message
> news:3hk6h15gb8tvjskh9u5lou5829tu6fjj28@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:35:52 +0100, "Ralph Rawlinson"
> >  wrote:
> > >The main point  is if a firm wanted to utilise say the GWR
> > >or any other
old
> > >railway company badge who owns the legacy rights to such a badge?
> > You are dipping into the murky worlds of copyright and trade marks
> > where sins might be committed in both, either or neither.
>
> If you're talking about coats of arms, you've also got the College of Arms
> to reckon with. Get it wrong, and you might find yourself in the Court of
> Chivalry - and yes it does still exist -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Chivalry
>

That's a paper tiger (paper leopard?) compared with the Court of Lord Lyon
King of Arms - mess about with Scottish heraldry and you can be in real
shtuck.

Peter

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:03:33 +0100, "Mike Humphrey"
 wrote:


>"Charles Ellson"  wrote in message
>news:3hk6h15gb8tvjskh9u5lou5829tu6fjj28@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:35:52 +0100, "Ralph Rawlinson"
>>  wrote:
>> >The main point  is if a firm wanted to utilise say the GWR
>> >or any other                                                         old
>> >railway company badge who owns the legacy rights to such a badge?
>> You are dipping into the murky worlds of copyright and trade marks
>> where sins might be committed in both, either or neither.
>
>If you're talking about coats of arms, you've also got the College of Arms
>to reckon with. Get it wrong, and you might find yourself in the Court of
>Chivalry - and yes it does still exist -
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Chivalry
>

The gist of opinions expressed in other newsgroups is that the CoA
might be helpful in coming up with a nice design but when it comes to
effective enforcement you're better off attacking via "passing off"
and copyright actions. OTOH the Lyon Court which deals with arms and
connected matters in Scotland is not afraid to "get legal" (or send
round a man to "ding doon" offending designs) as a certain Egyptian
grocer found out to his cost when he attached arms to which he had no
title to the gates of one of his Scottish estates. See "Unlawful
Assumption" in:
<http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-01/fayed.html>
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In message , Charles Ellson 
 writes

>The gist of opinions expressed in other newsgroups is that the CoA
>might be helpful in coming up with a nice design but when it comes to
>effective enforcement you're better off attacking via "passing off"
>and copyright actions. OTOH the Lyon Court which deals with arms and
>connected matters in Scotland is not afraid to "get legal" (or send
>round a man to "ding doon" offending designs) as a certain Egyptian
>grocer found out to his cost when he attached arms to which he had no
>title to the gates of one of his Scottish estates. See "Unlawful
>Assumption" in:
><http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-01/fayed.html>


When Scotland qualified for the World Cup in 1978, an enterprising 
(English) manufacturer decided to produce a bedspread featuring the 
Scottish Lion Rampant.

He received a letter from the Lyon Court telling him that he was 
breaking Scottish heraldic law in so doing and (and here's the rub) 
explaining that the penalty for such an infringement was beheading!   To 
the court's credit, they did assure him that no beheadings were likely 
to take place but did ask him to desist.

He did apparently!
-- 
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk