I'm from the U.S. and was watching a show last night called "Battlefield 
Britain: The Boyne: 1690". It was about the Williamite Wars. The show 
was narrated by a father and son team. In one section they rode a 
passenger train somewhere in Britain, Ireland, Scotland, etc. The 
overhead shot from a plane was of a single engine that had a cab at both 
ends. I believe it was blue. It also looked like it was two units semi 
or permanently connected together with one unit being shorter than the 
other.

Sorry for the bad description but the scene was fleeting.

Any ideas what this engine may have been? 

Thanks,

Charles

Here is a link to the show:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/battlefield_britain/index.shtml

"Charles Woolever" wrote:


> a single engine that had a cab at both ends.
> I believe it was blue. It also looked like it was two units semi
> or permanently connected together with one unit being shorter than the
> other.
>
> Any ideas what this engine may have been?
>


This could have been any of a number of things, either locomotives or DMUs.

If you could clarify the following points it would help enourmously.

Was the front end flattish or did it have a protruding "nose" below the cab 
windows?

Were there two or three windows at the front?

Was the front end of the unit yellow?

Did it have grilles in the side or windows for passengers to look out?

How many wheels did it have on the bogies (trucks)?

It is possibel that two locomotives of different classes were coupled 
together in multiple (one driver) or tandem (two drivers) - if the answers 
to the above are different for each of the two "units" coupled together.

As an example it could have been a 2-car Diesel Multiple Unit made up from 
two "bubble car" single car units, i.e. each car has a cab at both ends. 
Likewise it could have been any two locomotives which were used in the "rail 
blue" era. Locomotives have been painted blue from the 1970s right up to the 
early 1990s and some still remain today.

-=# Amos E Wolfe #=-

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:45:24 GMT, Charles Woolever
 wrote:


>I'm from the U.S. and was watching a show last night called "Battlefield 
>Britain: The Boyne: 1690". It was about the Williamite Wars. The show 
>was narrated by a father and son team. In one section they rode a 
>passenger train somewhere in Britain, Ireland, Scotland, etc. The 
>overhead shot from a plane was of a single engine that had a cab at both 
>ends. I believe it was blue. It also looked like it was two units semi 
>or permanently connected together with one unit being shorter than the 
>other.
>
>Sorry for the bad description but the scene was fleeting.
>
>Any ideas what this engine may have been? 
>
>Here is a link to the show:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/battlefield_britain/index.shtml


This was the Jon Snow series, with his son.

The Battle of the Boyne was in Northern Ireland, so they presumably
were riding one of Translink's trains. I don't think it would have
been one of these:

http://www.translink.co.uk/NIRailwaysBetterTrains.asp
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

The shot was fleeting and from above so I can't provide much more. I 
think it was blue with yellow ends. It looked like a diesel with grills 
and radiators on top. No windows on the side. Probably 3 axles per 
truck. It was this engine pulling a long train of regular looking 
passenger cars. Probably two windows in front.


In article <ke6Pe.296$p4.5@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>,
 "Amos E Wolfe"  wrote:


> "Charles Woolever" wrote:
> 
> > a single engine that had a cab at both ends.
> > I believe it was blue. It also looked like it was two units semi
> > or permanently connected together with one unit being shorter than the
> > other.
> >
> > Any ideas what this engine may have been?
> >
> 
> This could have been any of a number of things, either locomotives or DMUs.
> 
> If you could clarify the following points it would help enourmously.
> 
> Was the front end flattish or did it have a protruding "nose" below the cab 
> windows?
> 
> Were there two or three windows at the front?
> 
> Was the front end of the unit yellow?
> 
> Did it have grilles in the side or windows for passengers to look out?
> 
> How many wheels did it have on the bogies (trucks)?
> 
> It is possibel that two locomotives of different classes were coupled 
> together in multiple (one driver) or tandem (two drivers) - if the answers 
> to the above are different for each of the two "units" coupled together.
> 
> As an example it could have been a 2-car Diesel Multiple Unit made up from 
> two "bubble car" single car units, i.e. each car has a cab at both ends. 
> Likewise it could have been any two locomotives which were used in the "rail 
> blue" era. Locomotives have been painted blue from the 1970s right up to the 
> early 1990s and some still remain today.
> 
> -=# Amos E Wolfe #=-

"Terry Harper"  wrote in message 
news:55spg15cpm0c1ookdq4ntr2h24bb5nmnqa@4ax.com...
....

> The Battle of the Boyne was in Northern Ireland, ...


Was it?

I thought it was near Drogheda?
-- 
David Biddulph

No, definately no windows on the sides. Regular diesel pulling a long 
train of coaches.

Charles

In article ,
 Terry Harper  wrote:


> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:45:24 GMT, Charles Woolever
>  wrote:
> 
> >I'm from the U.S. and was watching a show last night called "Battlefield 
> >Britain: The Boyne: 1690". It was about the Williamite Wars. The show 
> >was narrated by a father and son team. In one section they rode a 
> >passenger train somewhere in Britain, Ireland, Scotland, etc. The 
> >overhead shot from a plane was of a single engine that had a cab at both 
> >ends. I believe it was blue. It also looked like it was two units semi 
> >or permanently connected together with one unit being shorter than the 
> >other.
> >
> >Sorry for the bad description but the scene was fleeting.
> >
> >Any ideas what this engine may have been? 
> >
> >Here is a link to the show:
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/battlefield_britain/index.shtml
> 
> This was the Jon Snow series, with his son.
> 
> The Battle of the Boyne was in Northern Ireland, so they presumably
> were riding one of Translink's trains. I don't think it would have
> been one of these:
> 
> http://www.translink.co.uk/NIRailwaysBetterTrains.asp

David Biddulph wrote:

> "Terry Harper"  wrote in message
> news:55spg15cpm0c1ookdq4ntr2h24bb5nmnqa@4ax.com...
> ...
> > The Battle of the Boyne was in Northern Ireland, ...
>
> Was it?
>
> I thought it was near Drogheda?
> --
> David Biddulph


It was- about 50km from Dublin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_boyne

Bob

In message , Terry Harper 
 writes

>On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:45:24 GMT, Charles Woolever
> wrote:
>
>>I'm from the U.S. and was watching a show last night called "Battlefield
>>Britain: The Boyne: 1690". It was about the Williamite Wars. The show
>>was narrated by a father and son team. In one section they rode a
>>passenger train somewhere in Britain, Ireland, Scotland, etc. The
>>overhead shot from a plane was of a single engine that had a cab at both
>>ends. I believe it was blue. It also looked like it was two units semi
>>or permanently connected together with one unit being shorter than the
>>other.
>>
>>Sorry for the bad description but the scene was fleeting.
>>
>>Any ideas what this engine may have been?
>>
>>Here is a link to the show:
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/battlefield_britain/index.shtml
>
>This was the Jon Snow series, with his son.
>
>The Battle of the Boyne was in Northern Ireland, so they presumably
>were riding one of Translink's trains. I don't think it would have
>been one of these:
>
>http://www.translink.co.uk/NIRailwaysBetterTrains.asp


The older type of NI unit are here:
<http://www.rpsi-online.org/images/gallery_images/bp_186Whitehead_240704.jpg>
<http://www.translink.co.uk/lowgraphic/resources/images/prNIR-UlsterInBloom01.jpg>

There are some NIR locos:
<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ie/diesel/8111/111-S209.jpg>
but most locomotives in Ireland are mostly orange and black
<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ie/diesel/071/080-S210.jpg>
or silver and black
<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ie/diesel/201/IE_206-9.jpg>

For mainland UK, a browse through these might turn up what remember.
<http://homepage.ntlworld.com/graham.turner37/pages/class_index.htm>
-- 
Goalie of the Century

Charles Woolever wrote:

> I'm from the U.S. and was watching a show last night called "Battlefield 
> Britain: The Boyne: 1690". It was about the Williamite Wars. The show 
> was narrated by a father and son team. In one section they rode a 
> passenger train somewhere in Britain, Ireland, Scotland, etc.

> Any ideas what this engine may have been?


You could click the link below and see if any of the pictures that come
up in the slide show resemble what you saw.

-- 
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/ps9683618.html
(A slide show of British Diesel Multiple Units)

"Charles Woolever"  wrote in message
news:info-3B053C.17452424082005@syrcnyrdrs-02-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...

> I'm from the U.S. and was watching a show last night called "Battlefield
> Britain: The Boyne: 1690". It was about the Williamite Wars. The show
> was narrated by a father and son team. In one section they rode a
> passenger train somewhere in Britain, Ireland, Scotland, etc. The
> overhead shot from a plane was of a single engine that had a cab at both
> ends. I believe it was blue. It also looked like it was two units semi
> or permanently connected together with one unit being shorter than the
> other.
>
> Sorry for the bad description but the scene was fleeting.
>
> Any ideas what this engine may have been?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
>
> Here is a link to the show:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/battlefield_britain/index.shtml


If it was blue it would have been a Northern Ireland Railways loco. Both NIR
and Irish Rail had batches of General Motors built diesels of that
description. The Irish Rail ones were class 071, can't remember what the NIR
class was but they were essentially the same type.

No luck. The lead engine looked like a diesel with no windows on the 
side.

Charles 

In article <17ad3bqw105if$.sdeitcs8erdz.dlg@40tude.net>,
 Chris Tolley  wrote:


> Charles Woolever wrote:
> > I'm from the U.S. and was watching a show last night called "Battlefield 
> > Britain: The Boyne: 1690". It was about the Williamite Wars. The show 
> > was narrated by a father and son team. In one section they rode a 
> > passenger train somewhere in Britain, Ireland, Scotland, etc.
> 
> > Any ideas what this engine may have been?
> 
> You could click the link below and see if any of the pictures that come
> up in the slide show resemble what you saw.

"akuryou_taisan"  wrote in message 
news:dekcha$e44$1@newsm1.svr.pol.co.uk...

> If it was blue it would have been a Northern Ireland Railways loco. Both 
> NIR
> and Irish Rail had batches of General Motors built diesels of that
> description. The Irish Rail ones were class 071, can't remember what the 
> NIR
> class was but they were essentially the same type.


Didn't the Hunslet/BREL Donny 101s wear NIR blue?

-- 
*** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ ***
Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com

In article ,
Charles Woolever  wrote:


> No luck. The lead engine looked like a diesel with no windows on the 
> side.


Blue and yellow diesels in Ireland probably limit you to these:

<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ie/diesel/8111/pix.html>

If they'd faked things by using footage of a train on the GB mainland
then if it was at all recent and not a special with a preserved loco
you'd have a choice of these:

<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/diesel/37/37_0/BR/pix.html>
<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/diesel/47/47_0/BR/pix.html>

Otherwise poking about in
<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/diesel/pix.html> might help.

Sam

In article <250820051723521865%Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk>, Sam Wilson
 wrote:


> If they'd faked things by using footage of a train on the GB mainland
> then if it was at all recent and not a special with a preserved loco
> you'd have a choice of these:
> 
> <http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/diesel/37/37_0/BR/pix.html>
> <http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/diesel/47/47_0/BR/pix.html>


Oh, and I forgot these, which have also been around until recently:

<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/diesel/33/pix.html>
<http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/electric/73/pix.html>

though the latter is cheating slighly - it's an electro-diesel -
essentially an electric loco with a smallish diesel engine for yard
movement, rescues and low speed/low load duties.

Sam

Charles Woolever wrote:


> No luck. The lead engine looked like a diesel with no windows on the 
> side.


Could it have been a streamlined A4 steam pacific?

http://www.gresley.org.uk/snghome.htm

The librarians at Stockport library have classified 'Power of the A4s'
in the diesel loco section of the Dewey system....

Charlie

"Rich Mackin"  wrote in message
news:9FlPe.1029$b4.666@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...

> Didn't the Hunslet/BREL Donny 101s wear NIR blue?
>
> --
> *** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ ***
> Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
> MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com
>

 Yes, at least one of them did, but weren't they withdrawn some years back?
When I saw them some 15 years ago one was still in maroon and more or less
stored even at that time.  I think the TV programme mentioned by the OP was
part of a fairly recent series called Battlefield Britain or something like
that. Peter Snow and his son were the 2 presenters.

No, it was definitly diesel.

In article <hNmPe.260$6p6.11@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
 Charlie Hulme  wrote:


> Charles Woolever wrote:
> 
> > No luck. The lead engine looked like a diesel with no windows on the 
> > side.
> 
> Could it have been a streamlined A4 steam pacific?
> 
> http://www.gresley.org.uk/snghome.htm
> 
> The librarians at Stockport library have classified 'Power of the A4s'
> in the diesel loco section of the Dewey system....
> 
> Charlie

Yes, and this shows was from the second run so it was only in the last 
couple of years that this engine would been in service.

Charles

In article <dekvjo$vo5$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,
 "akuryou_taisan"  wrote:


> "Rich Mackin"  wrote in message
> news:9FlPe.1029$b4.666@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
> > Didn't the Hunslet/BREL Donny 101s wear NIR blue?
> >
> > --
> > *** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ ***
> > Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
> > MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com
> >
>  Yes, at least one of them did, but weren't they withdrawn some years back?
> When I saw them some 15 years ago one was still in maroon and more or less
> stored even at that time.  I think the TV programme mentioned by the OP was
> part of a fairly recent series called Battlefield Britain or something like
> that. Peter Snow and his son were the 2 presenters.

Charles Woolever wrote:


> No, it was definitly diesel.
> 
>


Well, there are no twin-unit diesel locos in the UK,
and none anywhere that I know of with a cab each
and and two coupled sections of different lengths,
so I give up.

Maybe it was computer generated.

Charlie

> > > The Battle of the Boyne was in Northern Ireland, ...
> > I thought it was near Drogheda?


Very near "The battle was fought on 1 July 1690 at a fordable river
bend four miles west of Drogheda"


>From http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/history/events/dates/ch5.shtm

Terry Harper wrote:

> This was the Jon Snow series, with his son.


You sure you don't mean Peter Snow?

--
Nathan Whitington <><

On 26 Aug 2005 11:48:40 -0700, nathan@nathanwhitington.co.uk wrote:

>
>Terry Harper wrote:
>> This was the Jon Snow series, with his son.
>
>You sure you don't mean Peter Snow?


Very probably. Snow, father and son, anyway.
-- 
Terry Harper
URL: http://www.btinternet.com/~terry.harper/

If it was a blue locomotive it could have been from Northern Ireand 
Railways, would run down over the Boyne Viaduct enroute from Belfast to 
Dublin

"Charles Woolever"  wrote in message 
news:info-1AE069.18150124082005@syrcnyrdrs-02-ge0.nyroc.rr.com...

> The shot was fleeting and from above so I can't provide much more. I
> think it was blue with yellow ends. It looked like a diesel with grills
> and radiators on top. No windows on the side. Probably 3 axles per
> truck. It was this engine pulling a long train of regular looking
> passenger cars. Probably two windows in front.
>
>
> In article <ke6Pe.296$p4.5@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>,
> "Amos E Wolfe"  wrote:
>
>> "Charles Woolever" wrote:
>>
>> > a single engine that had a cab at both ends.
>> > I believe it was blue. It also looked like it was two units semi
>> > or permanently connected together with one unit being shorter than the
>> > other.
>> >
>> > Any ideas what this engine may have been?
>> >
>>
>> This could have been any of a number of things, either locomotives or 
>> DMUs.
>>
>> If you could clarify the following points it would help enourmously.
>>
>> Was the front end flattish or did it have a protruding "nose" below the 
>> cab
>> windows?
>>
>> Were there two or three windows at the front?
>>
>> Was the front end of the unit yellow?
>>
>> Did it have grilles in the side or windows for passengers to look out?
>>
>> How many wheels did it have on the bogies (trucks)?
>>
>> It is possibel that two locomotives of different classes were coupled
>> together in multiple (one driver) or tandem (two drivers) - if the 
>> answers
>> to the above are different for each of the two "units" coupled together.
>>
>> As an example it could have been a 2-car Diesel Multiple Unit made up 
>> from
>> two "bubble car" single car units, i.e. each car has a cab at both ends.
>> Likewise it could have been any two locomotives which were used in the 
>> "rail
>> blue" era. Locomotives have been painted blue from the 1970s right up to 
>> the
>> early 1990s and some still remain today.
>>
>> -=# Amos E Wolfe #=- 

"Terry Harper"  wrote in message 
news:55spg15cpm0c1ookdq4ntr2h24bb5nmnqa@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:45:24 GMT, Charles Woolever
>  wrote:
>
>>I'm from the U.S. and was watching a show last night called "Battlefield
>>Britain: The Boyne: 1690". It was about the Williamite Wars. The show
>>was narrated by a father and son team. In one section they rode a
>>passenger train somewhere in Britain, Ireland, Scotland, etc. The
>>overhead shot from a plane was of a single engine that had a cab at both
>>ends. I believe it was blue. It also looked like it was two units semi
>>or permanently connected together with one unit being shorter than the
>>other.
>>
>>Sorry for the bad description but the scene was fleeting.
>>
>>Any ideas what this engine may have been?
>>
>>Here is a link to the show:
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/battlefield_britain/index.shtml
>
> This was the Jon Snow series, with his son.
>
> The Battle of the Boyne was in Northern Ireland, so they presumably
> were riding one of Translink's trains. I don't think it would have
> been one of these:
>
> http://www.translink.co.uk/NIRailwaysBetterTrains.asp
> -- 
> Terry Harper
> Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
> http://www.omnibussoc.org


I'm afraid I must correct you there, the Battle of the Boyne was in what is 
now Republic of Ireland in County Meath I believe.

Michael