Hi,

what is this software program that all the dealers seem to be using
these days to match registration to model and make etc.. wouldn't mind
a copy of that !

Simon

"John"  wrote in message 
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>  wrote in message 
> news:1124811051.750894.253160@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> what is this software program that all the dealers seem to be using
>> these days to match registration to model and make etc.. wouldn't mind
>> a copy of that !
>
> There's a handy vehicle data search on the RAC website.  Enter a reg and 
> it gives vehicle details including number of previous owners and date of 
> last change.
>

Are you thinking of the HPI vehicle check (costing about 39) or is there 
something that I have missed?

Johannes (johs@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding 
much like they were saying :


>> Well that's just great.  My H reg car first registered in June 91 was
>> according to that made on
>> 
>>          31 December 1991
>> 
>> 6 months after it was registered!

> Same here. It shows my car was manufactured 31 December 1993, but it was
> reg August that year.


DVLA have never needed to record any "manufactured date" information before 
- I have no idea why they would need to now, but it's possible they do, 
hence this field in the record.

Given how busy car factories seem to have been on 31st December every year, 
can I suggest that perhaps the field just stores (or assumes) a year, and 
that the "31st December" is purely an arbitrary date for convenience, and 
because that field is set up as a date type which would require a complete 
date?

The vast majority of date-specific regulations go by registration date - 
which always has been recorded correctly. The only production-date-specific 
reg I can think of is the cut-off for the "Historic Vehicle" taxation class 
- which is that the vehicle must have been built before 1/1/73 - hence, 
31/12/72 would be a legit date. The requirement is on you, the keeper of 
the vehicle, to prove that date - because DVLA don't know when any 
individual vehicle was built.

Adrian wrote:

> 
> Johannes (johs@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
> 
> >> Well that's just great.  My H reg car first registered in June 91 was
> >> according to that made on
> >>
> >>          31 December 1991
> >>
> >> 6 months after it was registered!
> 
> > Same here. It shows my car was manufactured 31 December 1993, but it was
> > reg August that year.
> 
> DVLA have never needed to record any "manufactured date" information before
> - I have no idea why they would need to now, but it's possible they do,
> hence this field in the record.
> 
> Given how busy car factories seem to have been on 31st December every year,
> can I suggest that perhaps the field just stores (or assumes) a year, and
> that the "31st December" is purely an arbitrary date for convenience, and
> because that field is set up as a date type which would require a complete
> date?
> 
> The vast majority of date-specific regulations go by registration date -
> which always has been recorded correctly. The only production-date-specific
> reg I can think of is the cut-off for the "Historic Vehicle" taxation class
> - which is that the vehicle must have been built before 1/1/73 - hence,
> 31/12/72 would be a legit date. The requirement is on you, the keeper of
> the vehicle, to prove that date - because DVLA don't know when any
> individual vehicle was built.


Yes, the data "manufactured date" looks rather arbitrary. Possibly awaiting
proper use. It could be that they want to indicate whether the car e.g. is a
personal import that has been driven on import plates for some time.

However, there can be a genuine long gap between manufacturing and sale,
especially if it's an outgoing model sold on special promotion. I can't
imagine that the manufacturers, or owners for that matter, would be too
keen on revealing the true manufacturing date.

Johannes  wrote:


> > The vast majority of date-specific regulations go by registration date -
> > which always has been recorded correctly. The only production-date-specific
> > reg I can think of is the cut-off for the "Historic Vehicle" taxation class
> > - which is that the vehicle must have been built before 1/1/73 - hence,
> > 31/12/72 would be a legit date. The requirement is on you, the keeper of
> > the vehicle, to prove that date - because DVLA don't know when any
> > individual vehicle was built.
> 
> Yes, the data "manufactured date" looks rather arbitrary. Possibly awaiting
> proper use. It could be that they want to indicate whether the car e.g. is a
> personal import that has been driven on import plates for some time.


Seems to be something like that.

My 75 was registered in the UK (Northern Ireland, to be specific) in
1993 - this is shown on the DVLA website.

However, it's showing on the RAC data check as manufactured on 31st
December, 1991.

This is about right - it was originally sold in the Republic of Ireland
in 1991, then 'imported' into Northern Irelend in 1993.
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Johannes (johs@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


> Yes, the data "manufactured date" looks rather arbitrary. Possibly
> awaiting proper use. It could be that they want to indicate whether
> the car e.g. is a personal import that has been driven on import
> plates for some time. 


They already do that.

(Checks old-style V5) 

Top blue section

    	1. Imported Vehicle - Was registered/first used overseas. Declared     
	Manufactured 1980.

    	Date of Registration - 01/06/1999

    	Previous Recorded Keeper - Mr xxx xxx -
    	    	    	    	    	Acquired Vehicle on 01/06/1999

    	No of Recorded Keepers - 1 since Jun 1999

Green V5/2

    	Date of Registration - 01 06 1999 - (Decl'd Manuf 1980)

Sho' nuff, if I go to vehiclelicence.gov.uk, it says "Year of Manufacture" 
(note - not date) 1980.

But if I go to the RAC site, it says "Date Manufactured - 30/12/1980"

Now, I also happen to have the old French docs, so I know that it was 
*REALLY* first registered in France in late 1979.

I'm looking forward to the first computerised MOT - it hasn't got a rear 
fog light fitted - if it's 1979, it doesn't need one. If it's 1980, it 
does. Never been a problem until now, because I've always told them 
(truthfully) that it's 1979...

<thinks>
Must take the V5 along with me next time I take it to the local tip - it 
says "Make - Citroen", "Model/Type - 2-axle-rigid-body-estate". I've been 
barred from Bucks tips on the grounds that "it's a van, and you can't bring 
a van in". No, mate, it's an estate car - look, says so here on the V5.

"Johannes"  wrote in message 
news:430D8EC7.1C9F8DC@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com...

> However, there can be a genuine long gap between manufacturing and sale,
> especially if it's an outgoing model sold on special promotion. I can't
> imagine that the manufacturers, or owners for that matter, would be too
> keen on revealing the true manufacturing date.


My current car was registered in September 1999, but was actually built in 
Japan in October 1998    8-()

Previous car was registered in Febuary 2001, manuafactured (in Japan again) 
in December 2000.

This is going from the chassis number entered into Toyota's parts program.

Johnny wrote:

> 
> "Johannes"  wrote in message
> news:430D8EC7.1C9F8DC@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com...
> > However, there can be a genuine long gap between manufacturing and sale,
> > especially if it's an outgoing model sold on special promotion. I can't
> > imagine that the manufacturers, or owners for that matter, would be too
> > keen on revealing the true manufacturing date.
> 
> My current car was registered in September 1999, but was actually built in
> Japan in October 1998    8-()


8-((

Shouldn't really matter as long as the car has been stored under proper
conditions. However, we recently saw those TV pictures of unsold Rover cars 
stored in a large field.  


> Previous car was registered in Febuary 2001, manuafactured (in Japan again)
> in December 2000.


Not bad eh. 


> This is going from the chassis number entered into Toyota's parts program.

Johnny (n@spam.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying
: 


>> However, there can be a genuine long gap between manufacturing and
>> sale, especially if it's an outgoing model sold on special promotion.
>> I can't imagine that the manufacturers, or owners for that matter,
>> would be too keen on revealing the true manufacturing date.

> My current car was registered in September 1999, but was actually
> built in Japan in October 1998    8-()

> This is going from the chassis number entered into Toyota's parts
> program. 


Pah... That's *nothing*...

The V5 for one of mine contains ;-

Date of First Registration :- 2001.
New at first registration.
Declared Manufactured 1962...

Sure enough, it had indeed never been registered - here, or abroad - until 
I got it put onto UK plates. And it was indeed made in '62.

Adrian wrote:

> 
> Johnny (n@spam.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying
> :
> 
> >> However, there can be a genuine long gap between manufacturing and
> >> sale, especially if it's an outgoing model sold on special promotion.
> >> I can't imagine that the manufacturers, or owners for that matter,
> >> would be too keen on revealing the true manufacturing date.
> 
> > My current car was registered in September 1999, but was actually
> > built in Japan in October 1998    8-()
> 
> > This is going from the chassis number entered into Toyota's parts
> > program.
> 
> Pah... That's *nothing*...
> 
> The V5 for one of mine contains ;-
> 
> Date of First Registration :- 2001.
> New at first registration.
> Declared Manufactured 1962...
> 
> Sure enough, it had indeed never been registered - here, or abroad - until
> I got it put onto UK plates. And it was indeed made in '62.


Let me guess. Jaguar E-Type?

Johannes (johs@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


>> The V5 for one of mine contains ;-
>> 
>> Date of First Registration :- 2001.
>> New at first registration.
>> Declared Manufactured 1962...
>> 
>> Sure enough, it had indeed never been registered - here, or abroad -
>> until I got it put onto UK plates. And it was indeed made in '62.

> Let me guess. Jaguar E-Type?


<stifles hysterical laughter>
I'm not sure you could be much further away if you tried...

It's a VeloSolex. It was *very* used when I got it, but they don't need to 
be registered in France, so it really was "first registered".

Adrian wrote:

> 
> Johannes (johs@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
> 
> >> The V5 for one of mine contains ;-
> >>
> >> Date of First Registration :- 2001.
> >> New at first registration.
> >> Declared Manufactured 1962...
> >>
> >> Sure enough, it had indeed never been registered - here, or abroad -
> >> until I got it put onto UK plates. And it was indeed made in '62.
> 
> > Let me guess. Jaguar E-Type?
> 
> <stifles hysterical laughter>
> I'm not sure you could be much further away if you tried...
> 
> It's a VeloSolex. It was *very* used when I got it, but they don't need to
> be registered in France, so it really was "first registered".


Well, I never... 
I had one of those in Denmark. But it was classified as a moped with less
than 30km/h (18.6mph/h) and hence didn't need registration. I think it had
to be de-tuned to achieve that speed. As a result, they often got choked 
with carbon deposits. But the engine was so simple to dismantle. Then you
could file the piston for earlier suction to give some speed.

Johannes (johs@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


>> >> The V5 for one of mine contains ;-
>> >>
>> >> Date of First Registration :- 2001.
>> >> New at first registration.
>> >> Declared Manufactured 1962...
>> >>
>> >> Sure enough, it had indeed never been registered - here, or abroad
>> >> - until I got it put onto UK plates. And it was indeed made in
>> >> '62. 

>> > Let me guess. Jaguar E-Type?

>> <stifles hysterical laughter>
>> I'm not sure you could be much further away if you tried...
>> 
>> It's a VeloSolex. It was *very* used when I got it, but they don't
>> need to be registered in France, so it really was "first registered".

> Well, I never... 
> I had one of those in Denmark.


I haven't registered the other one, the '67, yet...


> But it was classified as a moped with
> less than 30km/h (18.6mph/h) and hence didn't need registration.



Over here, because it's infernal combustion, it's a motorbike. Legally, 
it's identical to those 50cc/"30mph" plastic hairdryers that 16yos kill 
'emselves on. Licence, insurance, MOT, tax, helmet all needed.


> think it had to be de-tuned to achieve that speed.


That's about flat out anyway...

"Adrian"  wrote in message
news:Xns96BE72C651C5Fadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> Johannes (johs@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
>
> >> >> The V5 for one of mine contains ;-
> >> >>
> >> >> Date of First Registration :- 2001.
> >> >> New at first registration.
> >> >> Declared Manufactured 1962...
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure enough, it had indeed never been registered - here, or abroad
> >> >> - until I got it put onto UK plates. And it was indeed made in
> >> >> '62.
>
> >> > Let me guess. Jaguar E-Type?
>
> >> <stifles hysterical laughter>
> >> I'm not sure you could be much further away if you tried...
> >>
> >> It's a VeloSolex. It was *very* used when I got it, but they don't
> >> need to be registered in France, so it really was "first registered".
>
> > Well, I never...
> > I had one of those in Denmark.
>
> I haven't registered the other one, the '67, yet...
>
> > But it was classified as a moped with
> > less than 30km/h (18.6mph/h) and hence didn't need registration.
>
>
> Over here, because it's infernal combustion, it's a motorbike. Legally,
> it's identical to those 50cc/"30mph" plastic hairdryers that 16yos kill
> 'emselves on. Licence, insurance, MOT, tax, helmet all needed.
>
> > think it had to be de-tuned to achieve that speed.
>
> That's about flat out anyway...


I had to google and see what you lot were talking about. I like their
advertising
http://www.velomopex.com.br/VeloSoleX%20carente....jpg

Steven.

Steven Campbell (newsgroup@p3cheekasa.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much 
like they were saying :


>> >> > Let me guess. Jaguar E-Type?

>> >> <stifles hysterical laughter>
>> >> I'm not sure you could be much further away if you tried...
>> >>
>> >> It's a VeloSolex.

> I had to google and see what you lot were talking about. I like their
> advertising
> http://www.velomopex.com.br/VeloSoleX%20carente....jpg


They say that the E-type is shaped like a phallus.

But on a VeloSlowlex, you really do look like a tit... <grin>

If the DVLA database had not exact date of manufacter, only the year,
then the date is taken to be the last day of the year (31st December).


MOT Queries ?
Visit: http://motforum.proboards44.com

According to the search facility on the RAC site, my Punto was
manufactured on the day it was registered. Not bad eh!

BTW - when you call Autoglass, they can usually get all the info they
need from you your reg, including your insurance details
http://www.autoglass.co.uk/Ourservices/windscreen_insurance_claim_handling.asp