Hello All,
I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling older
cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and continually
makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding and
buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and parks
several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. This
causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have no
road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these vehicles
are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire by
yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars parked
nearby.
I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the noise and
carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said that there
is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints from
neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to recrimination,
I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
Jaymack

> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?


ISTR selling over a certain amount of vehicles per year could tweak the 
interest of customs and excise, as he probably isn`t paying what he 
should in tax...

"John McLean"  wrote in message 
news:deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...

> Hello All,
> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling 
> older
> cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and continually
> makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding 
> and
> buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and parks
> several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. This
> causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have no
> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these vehicles
> are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire by
> yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars parked
> nearby.
> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the noise 
> and
> carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said that 
> there
> is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints from
> neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to 
> recrimination,
> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
> Jaymack
>


Selling more than two vehicles a year is regarded as business.

DVLA web site has a facility to report unlicensed cars.

mrcheerful

The message <deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
from "John McLean"  contains these words:


> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?


We had trouble with people selling old bangers from the verges round our
area. A call to Trading Standards at first generated no interest, but a
chat with the beat copper and a request from him lead to "Unlicenced
Vehicle" stickers appearing on them all, followed by a visit from the
crane-truck which took 'em all away to the breakers.

Hasn't recurred in anything like the same quantity, just the occasional
one here and there which often get stickered anyway.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

"Guy King"  wrote in message 
news:3130303034323739430CDDF889@zetnet.co.uk...

> The message <deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
> from "John McLean"  contains these words:
>
>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>
> We had trouble with people selling old bangers from the verges round our
> area. A call to Trading Standards at first generated no interest, but a
> chat with the beat copper and a request from him lead to "Unlicenced
> Vehicle" stickers appearing on them all, followed by a visit from the
> crane-truck which took 'em all away to the breakers.
>
> Hasn't recurred in anything like the same quantity, just the occasional
> one here and there which often get stickered anyway.
>
> -- 
> Skipweasel.
> In the beginning was the word.
> And the word was Aardvark


..
I reckon all vehicle on a public highway are supposed to have current tax 
insurance and an MOT if not then the police or vehicle inspectorate should 
be doing something about it. Even if they are SORN they should not be on the 
public highway.

>
> 

The message <H85Pe.71$p4.2@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>
from "Gary Millar"  contains these words:


> I reckon all vehicle on a public highway are supposed to have current tax 
> insurance and an MOT if not then the police or vehicle inspectorate should 
> be doing something about it. Even if they are SORN they should not be
> on the 
> public highway.


Yes, we know all that, but it's actually how to get them to do something
about it which is the question. 

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

> I reckon all vehicle on a public highway are supposed to have current tax
> insurance and an MOT if not then the police or vehicle inspectorate should
> be doing something about it. Even if they are SORN they should not be on
> the public highway.


I *think* the law was changed recently to allow the local council to
clamp/remove untaxed vehicles. Certainly, non-uniformed individuals working
out of local council vans have carried out two purges in the last year
where I live. There has been a police presence both times, but the officer
remained in his car.
There was no mercy - no current tax meant a clamp was fitted immediately,
the vehicle was then removed the same day. It has been very effective in
reducing the number of cars clearly not in use parked on the roads.

Chris

-- 
Remove prejudice to reply

John McLean wrote:

> Hello All,
> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling
> older cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and
> continually makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by
> hammering, grinding and buffing etc. He can be working on several
> cars at the same time; and parks several on the road during these
> repairs; or when waiting for buyers. This causes congestion in an
> already congested road. As these cars are have no road tax, what is
> the law here?. A further concern is that these vehicles are probably
> not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire by yobos,
> this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars parked
> nearby.
> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the
> noise and carrying out a business activity in a residential area.
> They said that there is nothing that can be done; but if there were
> sufficient complaints from neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this
> since it can lead to recrimination, I have not even spoken to this
> guy for the same reason.
> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
> Jaymack


Contact the local plod for the following reasons:

It's legally an obstruction of the highway to carry out ANY repairs on it,
even to change a flat tyre - or even to park a vehicle there
It's a criminal offence to use/park an uninsured vehicle on the public
highway
It's a criminal offence to use/park a vehicle on the public highway without
a current MOT certificate
It's a criminal offence to use/park an unregistered vehicle on the public
highway
It's a criminal offence to use/park an unroadworthy vehicle on the public
highway

Contact the DVLA:

It's a civil offence to use/park a vehicle on the public highway without a
current excise licence

Contact HM Inspector of Taxes

He will soon have to register if he is self employed, it will be a criminal
offence for him not to do so
He must tell them of ANY income that is being made from any work that he
does

This is just for starters, I'm sure if you dig deep enough you could find a
few more - is he registered as unemployed...?

Brian G

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:40:31 GMT, nbkm57@hotmail.com wrote:


> "John McLean"  wrote in message 
> news:deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> Hello All,
>> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
>> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling 
>> older
>> cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and continually
>> makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding 
>> and
>> buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and parks
>> several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. This
>> causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have no
>> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these vehicles
>> are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire by
>> yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars parked
>> nearby.
>> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the noise 
>> and
>> carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said that 
>> there
>> is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints from
>> neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to 
>> recrimination,
>> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>> Jaymack
>>
> 
> Selling more than two vehicles a year is regarded as business.


I fail to see how you can apply a blanket statement like that. Who says?

"Chris Street"  wrote in message 
news:cscqrg26lg47.frn5yh09p81f.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:40:31 GMT, nbkm57@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> "John McLean"  wrote in message
>> news:deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>> Hello All,
>>> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
>>> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling
>>> older
>>> cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and 
>>> continually
>>> makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding
>>> and
>>> buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and 
>>> parks
>>> several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. 
>>> This
>>> causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have 
>>> no
>>> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these 
>>> vehicles
>>> are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire 
>>> by
>>> yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars 
>>> parked
>>> nearby.
>>> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the noise
>>> and
>>> carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said that
>>> there
>>> is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints 
>>> from
>>> neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to
>>> recrimination,
>>> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
>>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>>> Jaymack
>>>
>>
>> Selling more than two vehicles a year is regarded as business.
>
> I fail to see how you can apply a blanket statement like that. Who says?


The local council in my area say that.  I can only assume they have some 
basis to do so.
Thurrock Council.

mrcheerful

The message <_27Pe.95715$G8.25341@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "mrcheerful                                                        
                 ."  contains these words:


> > I fail to see how you can apply a blanket statement like that. Who says?

> The local council in my area say that.  I can only assume they have some 
> basis to do so.
> Thurrock Council.


Hounslow and Telford have both told me the same in the past.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:05:30 GMT, nbkm57@hotmail.com wrote:


> "Chris Street"  wrote in message 
> news:cscqrg26lg47.frn5yh09p81f.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:40:31 GMT, nbkm57@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> "John McLean"  wrote in message
>>> news:deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
>>>> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling
>>>> older
>>>> cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and 
>>>> continually
>>>> makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding
>>>> and
>>>> buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and 
>>>> parks
>>>> several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. 
>>>> This
>>>> causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have 
>>>> no
>>>> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these 
>>>> vehicles
>>>> are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire 
>>>> by
>>>> yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars 
>>>> parked
>>>> nearby.
>>>> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the noise
>>>> and
>>>> carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said that
>>>> there
>>>> is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints 
>>>> from
>>>> neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to
>>>> recrimination,
>>>> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
>>>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>>>> Jaymack
>>>>
>>>
>>> Selling more than two vehicles a year is regarded as business.
>>
>> I fail to see how you can apply a blanket statement like that. Who says?
> 
> The local council in my area say that.  I can only assume they have some 
> basis to do so.
> Thurrock Council.
> 
> mrcheerful


I think that' when they take action. I doubt there's any legal basis for it
though as it's completly unreasonable.

John McLean wrote:

> 
> Hello All,
> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling older
> cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and continually
> makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding and
> buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and parks
> several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. This
> causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have no
> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these vehicles
> are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire by
> yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars parked
> nearby.
> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the noise and
> carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said that there
> is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints from
> neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to recrimination,
> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
> Jaymack


Certainly, the local authority should clamp down on you neighbour. They do
have sufficient complaints; you're complaining. We had a similar situation
situation around here, the council eventually got him out, but it took quite
some time, about a year or so I should think. Just keep at it and don't take
'no' for an answer.

"Chris Street"  wrote in message 
news:1vi6s1admaobm$.mi9pss8ba9n8$.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:05:30 GMT, nbkm57@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> "Chris Street"  wrote in message
>> news:cscqrg26lg47.frn5yh09p81f.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:40:31 GMT, nbkm57@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> "John McLean"  wrote in message
>>>> news:deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
>>>>> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling
>>>>> older
>>>>> cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and
>>>>> continually
>>>>> makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, 
>>>>> grinding
>>>>> and
>>>>> buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and
>>>>> parks
>>>>> several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers.
>>>>> This
>>>>> causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have
>>>>> no
>>>>> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these
>>>>> vehicles
>>>>> are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire
>>>>> by
>>>>> yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars
>>>>> parked
>>>>> nearby.
>>>>> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the 
>>>>> noise
>>>>> and
>>>>> carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said that
>>>>> there
>>>>> is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints
>>>>> from
>>>>> neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to
>>>>> recrimination,
>>>>> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
>>>>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>>>>> Jaymack
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Selling more than two vehicles a year is regarded as business.
>>>
>>> I fail to see how you can apply a blanket statement like that. Who says?
>>
>> The local council in my area say that.  I can only assume they have some
>> basis to do so.
>> Thurrock Council.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>
> I think that' when they take action. I doubt there's any legal basis for 
> it
> though as it's completly unreasonable.


Sounds like a local council policy rather than the law.  They seem rather 
good at them.

--
R

"Johannes"  wrote in message 
news:430D0C9D.2EA8097F@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com...

>
>
> John McLean wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
>> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling 
>> older
>> cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and 
>> continually
>> makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding 
>> and
>> buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and 
>> parks
>> several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. 
>> This
>> causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have no
>> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these vehicles
>> are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire by
>> yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars parked
>> nearby.
>> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the noise 
>> and
>> carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said that 
>> there
>> is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints from
>> neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to 
>> recrimination,
>> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>> Jaymack
>
> Certainly, the local authority should clamp down on you neighbour. They do
> have sufficient complaints; you're complaining. We had a similar situation
> situation around here, the council eventually got him out, but it took 
> quite
> some time, about a year or so I should think. Just keep at it and don't 
> take
> 'no' for an answer.


In my dim and distant self employed past I used to maintain my courier vans 
myself, I had 3 and 2 cars, but they were usually taken home by the drivers. 
Someone local complained and I was taken to court.  The court dismissed the 
case, but only after I had proved, by the V5s that I had owned the vehicles 
for some time, and wasn't trading.  Apparently it is a local by-law that you 
can only maintain your own vehicles outside your house.

--
R

"R"  wrote in message 
news:dejhkl$vb4$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...

>
> "Chris Street"  wrote in message 
> news:1vi6s1admaobm$.mi9pss8ba9n8$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:05:30 GMT, nbkm57@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> "Chris Street"  wrote in message
>>> news:cscqrg26lg47.frn5yh09p81f.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:40:31 GMT, nbkm57@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "John McLean"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
>>>>>> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling
>>>>>> older
>>>>>> cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and
>>>>>> continually
>>>>>> makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, 
>>>>>> grinding
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and
>>>>>> parks
>>>>>> several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these
>>>>>> vehicles
>>>>>> are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on 
>>>>>> fire
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars
>>>>>> parked
>>>>>> nearby.
>>>>>> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the 
>>>>>> noise
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to
>>>>>> recrimination,
>>>>>> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
>>>>>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>>>>>> Jaymack
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Selling more than two vehicles a year is regarded as business.
>>>>
>>>> I fail to see how you can apply a blanket statement like that. Who 
>>>> says?
>>>
>>> The local council in my area say that.  I can only assume they have some
>>> basis to do so.
>>> Thurrock Council.
>>>
>>> mrcheerful
>>
>> I think that' when they take action. I doubt there's any legal basis for 
>> it
>> though as it's completly unreasonable.
>
> Sounds like a local council policy rather than the law.  They seem rather 
> good at them.
>


Quite likely, however it is likely to be the local council who the op might 
contact to get the nuisance looked into, there is also similar recourse to 
stop anyone working on a vehicle in the road, unless it is to fix a 
breakdown.

mrcheerful

John McLean (jaymack12@btopenworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying : 


> A further concern is that these vehicles are probably not
> insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire by yobos, this
> has happened before in the road causing damage to cars parked nearby.


Probably a silly question - but if that's happened before around you, is it 
really any more likely to happen to this guy's cars?

R wrote:

> 
[...]
> 
> In my dim and distant self employed past I used to maintain my courier vans
> myself, I had 3 and 2 cars, but they were usually taken home by the drivers.
> Someone local complained and I was taken to court.  The court dismissed the
> case, but only after I had proved, by the V5s that I had owned the vehicles
> for some time, and wasn't trading.  Apparently it is a local by-law that you
> can only maintain your own vehicles outside your house.

 
You are probably allowed to maintain your own (registered) cars, but even then
maintenance is not a daily occurrence. It's much easier to put up with a
nuisance that's not a daily occurrence. The other guy was apparently running
a secondhand car business; that's not on.

Johannes (johs@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


> but even then maintenance is not a daily occurrence.


I think there's quite a few of us who've had cars that would disprove that 
statement...

Vehicles which seem to be abandoned, are also a target for the bored cretins
looking for jollies.

"Adrian"  wrote in message
news:Xns96BD640615369adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> John McLean (jaymack12@btopenworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying :
>
> > A further concern is that these vehicles are probably not
> > insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire by yobos, this
> > has happened before in the road causing damage to cars parked nearby.
>
> Probably a silly question - but if that's happened before around you, is
it
> really any more likely to happen to this guy's cars?


IMHO, vehicles which seem to be abandoned, are more of a target for the
bored cretins looking for jollies.

Thanks for all the responses, they gives me some guidance on what to do.
jaymack

Adrian wrote:

> 
> Johannes (johs@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
> 
> > but even then maintenance is not a daily occurrence.
> 
> I think there's quite a few of us who've had cars that would disprove that
> statement...


Isn't there a traffic rule that says that before starting driving, you should
really check the car over that every legal requirement. e.g. tyres, lights,
brakes etc are working OK? Probably the most broken rule if that is the case.

The message 
from Johannes  contains these words:


> You are probably allowed to maintain your own (registered) cars, but
> even then
> maintenance is not a daily occurrence.


Ah - there speaks someone who hasn't owned a Fiat 127.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

In article <deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, John 
McLean says...

> Hello All,
> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and selling older
> cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented accommodation and continually
> makes a nuisance of himself in the neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding and
> buffing etc. He can be working on several cars at the same time; and parks
> several on the road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. This
> causes congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have no
> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these vehicles
> are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be set on fire by
> yobos, this has happened before in the road causing damage to cars parked
> nearby.
> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the noise and
> carrying out a business activity in a residential area. They said that there
> is nothing that can be done; but if there were sufficient complaints from
> neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this since it can lead to recrimination,
> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
> Jaymack
> 
> 
> 

Yeah.

1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
3) Try talking to the guy.

-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

Guy King wrote:

> 
> The message 
> from Johannes  contains these words:
> 
> > You are probably allowed to maintain your own (registered) cars, but
> > even then
> > maintenance is not a daily occurrence.
> 
> Ah - there speaks someone who hasn't owned a Fiat 127.


I have owned a Fiat 132-1800 GLS, Fiat 132 2000, Fiat Croma CHT. The two
first were fun rwd cars. The Croma had cheap interior, but OK car and
didn't rust. I liked the outline of the Type 4 cars and got a 1993 SAAB
9000 CSE, what a difference in build quality that was.

John McLean  wrote on Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC):

> I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.


Wow.  You sound like a bit of an arse.

You're annoyed about someone doing something (that doesn't sound particularly
bad), and you won't even talk to _him_ about the problem first?

-- 
David Taylor

Conor  wrote on Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:32:47 +0100:

> Yeah.
> 
> 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
> 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
> 3) Try talking to the guy.


Wow.  For once I agree with Conor.

-- 
David Taylor

David Taylor wrote:

> 
> Conor  wrote on Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:32:47 +0100:
> > Yeah.
> >
> > 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
> > 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
> > 3) Try talking to the guy.
> 
> Wow.  For once I agree with Conor.


It all depends on the scale of the operation and the character of the guy.
If he's running secondhand cars as his main business and bashing metal on
a daily basis, then it's not likely that a word will have much effect.
Secondly, when he gets a letter from the authorities, he will know who has 
complained. Depending on the character, he may or may not take revenge of
some sort.

There was a similar situation in a neighbouring road, though I wasn't
involved and wasn't disturbed. I only knew that the neighbours were fed
up for a very long time. Eventually, the metal basher was moved away.

David Taylor wrote:

> John McLean  wrote on Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC):
> > I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
>
> Wow.  You sound like a bit of an arse.
>
> You're annoyed about someone doing something (that doesn't sound particularly
> bad), and you won't even talk to _him_ about the problem first?
>

I dunno, it might piss me off if someone was metal bashing outside my
house day after day. Not everyone has the guts to stand up to other
people either, it depends on your temperament. I personally hate stand
up arguments (probably due to my parents who never stopped) and tend to
go out of my way to avoid them.

-- 
Malc

>> 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
>> 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
>> 3) Try talking to the guy.
>
> Wow.  For once I agree with Conor.


I don't. The sort of people who run motor trading business from the public
road (we have one near us) are the type of people who won't hesitate to
introduce you to Mr Baseball Bat. The problem is that without check, their
operations spread like a cancer. At one point, this guy had about 20 cars
that he was selling, all parked on street, making a nuisance.

Occassionally the police put loads of "Police Aware" stickers on and it
quietens down for 2 weeks. But then he is back.

If you can't afford premises, then you can't be a motor trader. Fine them
out of existence, I say.

Christian.

Conor wrote:

> In article <deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, John
> McLean says...
>> Hello All,
>> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
>> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and
>> selling older cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented
>> accommodation and continually makes a nuisance of himself in the
>> neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding and buffing etc. He can be
>> working on several cars at the same time; and parks several on the
>> road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. This causes
>> congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have no
>> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these
>> vehicles are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be
>> set on fire by yobos, this has happened before in the road causing
>> damage to cars parked nearby.
>> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the
>> noise and carrying out a business activity in a residential area.
>> They said that there is nothing that can be done; but if there were
>> sufficient complaints from neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this
>> since it can lead to recrimination, I have not even spoken to this
>> guy for the same reason.
>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>> Jaymack
>>
>>

Conor,

> Yeah.
>
> 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.


Easy to say as long as it's not in your backyard!


> 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.


Again easy to say when it's not really hapening outside your own door and
you don't have to put up with it day-in, day-out!


> 3) Try talking to the guy.


Not so easy for some people to talk to someone who probably looks as if he
could crack a lump of granite with the cheeks of his arse!

Brian G

"David Taylor"  wrote in message
news:dekegd$588$3@outcold.yadt.co.uk...

> John McLean  wrote on Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:06:49
+0000 (UTC):
> > I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
>
> Wow.  You sound like a bit of an arse.
>
> You're annoyed about someone doing something (that doesn't sound
particularly
> bad), and you won't even talk to _him_ about the problem first?
>
> -- 
> David Taylor


The type of no brainer response that is endemic in the country. Not a
question of not approaching the guy, it's the repercussions from ameobic
dogdoo such as you. You're probably one of the guys who helps him out,
drives up with the sound system or radio blaring, sounds the horn to get his
attention, instead of getting off the arse and walking to the door, curses
and blinds in front of the kids, throws the beer cans in the gutter. Yep,
takes one to know one, all the same tarred brush.
..

John McLean  wrote on Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:37:36 +0000 (UTC):

> 
> The type of no brainer response that is endemic in the country. Not a
> question of not approaching the guy, it's the repercussions from ameobic
> dogdoo such as you. You're probably one of the guys who helps him out,
> drives up with the sound system or radio blaring, sounds the horn to get his
> attention, instead of getting off the arse and walking to the door, curses
> and blinds in front of the kids, throws the beer cans in the gutter. Yep,
> takes one to know one, all the same tarred brush.
> .


Your argument makes no sense.

I think you're silly for not approaching him, why then do you believe there
would be "repercussions" from me if you did?

As for "takes one to know one" I assume you're trying to imply
that YOU are one of the people you describe? 

Anyway, I would rather help him out than help you out.

-- 
David Taylor

"David Taylor"  wrote in message
news:deleld$h9p$1@outcold.yadt.co.uk...

> John McLean  wrote on Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:37:36
+0000 (UTC):
> >
> > The type of no brainer response that is endemic in the country. Not a
> > question of not approaching the guy, it's the repercussions from ameobic
> > dogdoo such as you. You're probably one of the guys who helps him out,
> > drives up with the sound system or radio blaring, sounds the horn to get
his
> > attention, instead of getting off the arse and walking to the door,
curses
> > and blinds in front of the kids, throws the beer cans in the gutter.
Yep,
> > takes one to know one, all the same tarred brush.
> > .
>
> Your argument makes no sense.
>
> I think you're silly for not approaching him, why then do you believe
there
> would be "repercussions" from me if you did?
>
> As for "takes one to know one" I assume you're trying to imply
> that YOU are one of the people you describe?
>
> Anyway, I would rather help him out than help you out.
>
> -- 
> David Taylor

Yep,
> takes one to know one, all the same tarred brush.

Substitute "empathise with" for "know one"
It is apparent that one has touched a raw nerve in your case. Maybe you are
the Bustard causing the problems.
John McLean

It is an offence to repair a motor vehicle in the highway if it is an 
annoyance to the residents. Contact your local police and ask to enforce 
this law. If they decide to prosecute him you will have to provide a 
statement to prove that element of the offence.

John McLean  wrote on Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:11:09 +0000 (UTC):

>> takes one to know one, all the same tarred brush.
> Substitute "empathise with" for "know one"


Why would I empathise with a tarred brush?


> It is apparent that one has touched a raw nerve in your case.


I think the nerve is yours.


>Maybe you are the Bustard causing the problems.


Sadly not.
 
-- 
David Taylor

In article <430ddb96$0$13702$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net>, 
Christian McArdle says...

> >> 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
> >> 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
> >> 3) Try talking to the guy.
> >
> > Wow.  For once I agree with Conor.
> 
> I don't. The sort of people who run motor trading business from the public
> road (we have one near us) are the type of people who won't hesitate to
> introduce you to Mr Baseball Bat. 


Here we go.....


> If you can't afford premises, then you can't be a motor trader. Fine them
> out of existence, I say.
> 

Do you mow your lawn?


-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

In article , Brian G says...

> Conor wrote:
> > In article <deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, John
> > McLean says...
> >> Hello All,
> >> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
> >> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and
> >> selling older cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented
> >> accommodation and continually makes a nuisance of himself in the
> >> neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding and buffing etc. He can be
> >> working on several cars at the same time; and parks several on the
> >> road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. This causes
> >> congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have no
> >> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these
> >> vehicles are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be
> >> set on fire by yobos, this has happened before in the road causing
> >> damage to cars parked nearby.
> >> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the
> >> noise and carrying out a business activity in a residential area.
> >> They said that there is nothing that can be done; but if there were
> >> sufficient complaints from neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this
> >> since it can lead to recrimination, I have not even spoken to this
> >> guy for the same reason.
> >> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
> >> Jaymack
> >>
> >>
> 
> Conor,
> 
> > Yeah.
> >
> > 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
> 
> Easy to say as long as it's not in your backyard!
> 

Actually I have one down my street doing the same. 


> > 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
> 
> Again easy to say when it's not really hapening outside your own door and
> you don't have to put up with it day-in, day-out!
> 
See above.

> > 3) Try talking to the guy.
> 
> Not so easy for some people to talk to someone who probably looks as if he
> could crack a lump of granite with the cheeks of his arse!
> 

Oh for the love of God.


-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

In article <demsme$m32$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, jamieT says...

> It is an offence to repair a motor vehicle in the highway if it is an 
> annoyance to the residents. Contact your local police and ask to enforce 
> this law. If they decide to prosecute him you will have to provide a 
> statement to prove that element of the offence. 
> 

Why not just talk to the bloke? No wonder we have no society left.


-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

In article <deldn0$3sq$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, John 
McLean says...

> 
> "David Taylor"  wrote in message
> news:dekegd$588$3@outcold.yadt.co.uk...
> > John McLean  wrote on Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:06:49
> +0000 (UTC):
> > > I have not even spoken to this guy for the same reason.
> >
> > Wow.  You sound like a bit of an arse.
> >
> > You're annoyed about someone doing something (that doesn't sound
> particularly
> > bad), and you won't even talk to _him_ about the problem first?
> >
> > -- 
> > David Taylor
> 
> The type of no brainer response that is endemic in the country. 


EWh? No, its the type of response from someone who still tries to have 
a sense of community. Yours is the fucked up response that has led to 
people living behind their own doors and not knowing the name of their 
next door neighbour.


-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

> > If you can't afford premises, then you can't be a motor trader. Fine
them
> > out of existence, I say.
> >
> Do you mow your lawn?


No. Why?

Christian.

In article <430f2b5c$0$13705$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net>, 
Christian McArdle says...

> > > If you can't afford premises, then you can't be a motor trader. Fine
> them
> > > out of existence, I say.
> > >
> > Do you mow your lawn?
> 
> No. Why?
> 

Because if you did, it could be said that the noise was antisocial and 
that, using your own yardstick, you should be fined out of existence.

OTOH, the fact that you don't, assuming you have a lawn, could also 
mean your house looks like a shit tip from the outside and again, is 
antisocial as it offends those who have to live near it as well as 
hitting house prices so you should be reported and fined out of 
existence.


-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

Conor wrote:

> 
> In article <430ddb96$0$13702$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net>,
> Christian McArdle says...
> > >> 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
> > >> 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
> > >> 3) Try talking to the guy.
> > >
> > > Wow.  For once I agree with Conor.
> >
> > I don't. The sort of people who run motor trading business from the public
> > road (we have one near us) are the type of people who won't hesitate to
> > introduce you to Mr Baseball Bat.
> 
> Here we go.....
> 
> > If you can't afford premises, then you can't be a motor trader. Fine them
> > out of existence, I say.
> >
> Do you mow your lawn?


Not every day. Maybe once a year :-)

The message 
from Conor  contains these words:


> Why not just talk to the bloke? No wonder we have no society left.


Most people round here I would happily go talk to if there were a
problem. However, there are one or two who I most definitely wouldn't.
Actually, one fewer than usual 'cos the dibbles took him away for
stabbing someone to death a week or two ago.
http://www.shropshirestar.com/show_article.php?aID=36375

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

Conor wrote:


> Do you mow your lawn?
> 


Surely a better comparison would be if the OP was running a lawn mower
repair and sales operation from a private residence?  

Chris

-- 
Remove prejudice to reply

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:28:51 GMT, Chris Whelan
 wrote:


>Conor wrote:
>
>> Do you mow your lawn?
>> 
>
>Surely a better comparison would be if the OP was running a lawn mower
>repair and sales operation from a private residence?  
>
>Chris


I don't see what the problem is. What's wrong with people doing
business from home? I really hate those housing estates with no shops,
no pubs, no garages, no yards, etc. They are soulless and devoid of
character.
-- 
R
o
o
n
e
y

"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.1d7937f0fe30ba1f98a8ff@news.individual.net...

> In article <demsme$m32$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, jamieT says...
>> It is an offence to repair a motor vehicle in the highway if it is an
>> annoyance to the residents. Contact your local police and ask to enforce
>> this law. If they decide to prosecute him you will have to provide a
>> statement to prove that element of the offence.
>>
> Why not just talk to the bloke? No wonder we have no society left.
>


He asked what the position in law is so that it what I answered. Personally 
if he was approachable I would speak to him however it is good to be in a 
knowledgeable position prior to doing this surely

Paul Rooney wrote:


> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:28:51 GMT, Chris Whelan
>  wrote:
> 
>>Conor wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mow your lawn?
>>> 
>>
>>Surely a better comparison would be if the OP was running a lawn mower
>>repair and sales operation from a private residence?
>>
>>Chris
> 
> I don't see what the problem is. What's wrong with people doing
> business from home? I really hate those housing estates with no shops,
> no pubs, no garages, no yards, etc. They are soulless and devoid of
> character.


Well, maybe. But surely you would not advocate this if it made life less
pleasant for all those living close?

Chris

-- 
Remove prejudice to reply

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:55:05 GMT, Chris Whelan
 wrote:


>Paul Rooney wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:28:51 GMT, Chris Whelan
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>Conor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you mow your lawn?
>>>> 
>>>
>>>Surely a better comparison would be if the OP was running a lawn mower
>>>repair and sales operation from a private residence?
>>>
>>>Chris
>> 
>> I don't see what the problem is. What's wrong with people doing
>> business from home? I really hate those housing estates with no shops,
>> no pubs, no garages, no yards, etc. They are soulless and devoid of
>> character.
>
>Well, maybe. But surely you would not advocate this if it made life less
>pleasant for all those living close?
>
>Chris


They'd be out at work during the day most days. Does it really matter
if there are a few cars parked on the road and someone doing them up?
-- 
R
o
o
n
e
y

"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

Paul Rooney wrote:

> 
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:28:51 GMT, Chris Whelan
>  wrote:
> 
> >Conor wrote:
> >
> >> Do you mow your lawn?
> >>
> >
> >Surely a better comparison would be if the OP was running a lawn mower
> >repair and sales operation from a private residence?
> >
> >Chris
> 
> I don't see what the problem is. What's wrong with people doing
> business from home? I really hate those housing estates with no shops,
> no pubs, no garages, no yards, etc. They are soulless and devoid of
> character.


It's a problem if there is extra noise and commotion. Areas are set out
for a particular purposes, e.g. residential or business. Someone who
has invested s in a residential property in a residential area would
not like to find himself next to a business with noise and commotion.
Apart from taking away the enjoyment of the property, it also affect
its value.

It's a different matter if he lives next to a business with proper
planning permission, then he would have taken that into account when
buying the property and the price would have reflected that.

> 
> They'd be out at work during the day most days. 


I wouldn't - I'm retired!


> Does it really matter 
> if there are a few cars parked on the road and someone doing them up?


In principle, maybe not. However, what about if parking was limited? What
about if access to your own property was frequently obstructed? What about
if the noise went on until 11 or 12 o'clock at night? What about if the
resultant mess from the repairs was never cleared up? What about if cars
were left insecurely supported with no wheels on where kids play? What
about if the traders pals/customers were forever tearing up and down the
street at ridiculously high speeds? All things I've had to suffer in the
past. I *did* try speaking to those responsible and received only abuse and
threats for my efforts. Luckily for me they've moved on.

My sympathies are entirely with the OP I'm afraid.

Chris

-- 
Remove prejudice to reply

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:12:31 GMT, Johannes
 wrote:


>Areas are set out
>for a particular purposes, e.g. residential or business.


Nowadays they are - but I have no intention of ever living on a
housing estate. I prefer the older areas with mixed usage. More going
on. More interesting. Easier to find/buy stuff.
-- 
R
o
o
n
e
y

"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

Conor wrote:

> In article , Brian G says...
>> Conor wrote:
>>> In article <deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, John
>>> McLean says...
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> I apologise since this is strictly not topical here.
>>>> There is a neighbour who has a business apparently buying and
>>>> selling older cars, N registration etc. He lives in rented
>>>> accommodation and continually makes a nuisance of himself in the
>>>> neighbourhood, by hammering, grinding and buffing etc. He can be
>>>> working on several cars at the same time; and parks several on the
>>>> road during these repairs; or when waiting for buyers. This causes
>>>> congestion in an already congested road. As these cars are have no
>>>> road tax, what is the law here?. A further concern is that these
>>>> vehicles are probably not insured, they may cause an accident or be
>>>> set on fire by yobos, this has happened before in the road causing
>>>> damage to cars parked nearby.
>>>> I have contacted the local authority some time ago, regarding the
>>>> noise and carrying out a business activity in a residential area.
>>>> They said that there is nothing that can be done; but if there were
>>>> sufficient complaints from neighbours etc.etc. I want to avoid this
>>>> since it can lead to recrimination, I have not even spoken to this
>>>> guy for the same reason.
>>>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>>>> Jaymack
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Conor,
>>
>>> Yeah.
>>>
>>> 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
>>
>> Easy to say as long as it's not in your backyard!


Then you obviously know the problems that arise from such a nuisance?


> Actually I have one down my street doing the same.
>
>>> 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
>>
>> Again easy to say when it's not really hapening outside your own
>> door and you don't have to put up with it day-in, day-out!
>>
> See above.

Ditto

>>> 3) Try talking to the guy.
>>
>> Not so easy for some people to talk to someone who probably looks as
>> if he could crack a lump of granite with the cheeks of his arse!
>>
> Oh for the love of God.


Why, if he exists - which he doesn't - then why would you want to invoke the
"love of God" because there are some people who are very intimidating and
who do not take kindly to being "talked" to when they are commiting a
nuisance.


Brian G

Johannes wrote:

> Conor wrote:
>>
>> In article <430ddb96$0$13702$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net>,
>> Christian McArdle says...
>>>>> 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
>>>>> 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
>>>>> 3) Try talking to the guy.
>>>>
>>>> Wow.  For once I agree with Conor.
>>>
>>> I don't. The sort of people who run motor trading business from the
>>> public road (we have one near us) are the type of people who won't
>>> hesitate to introduce you to Mr Baseball Bat.
>>
>> Here we go.....
>>
>>> If you can't afford premises, then you can't be a motor trader.
>>> Fine them out of existence, I say.
>>>
>> Do you mow your lawn?
>
> Not every day. Maybe once a year :-)


What type of grass have you planted so that I can get some? LOL

Brian G

Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


> However, what about if parking was limited?


If the cars are legal, then they have as much right to be parked there as 
your car does. If they're not legal, then that's an offence.


> What about if access to your own property was frequently obstructed?


Then that's obstruction, and that's an offence.


> What about if the noise went on until 11 or 12 o'clock at night?


Then that's a specific offence.


> What about if cars were left insecurely supported with no wheels on
> where kids play?


Why are kids playing in the street unsupervised if they aren't old enough 
to be told and to understand not to play around them? Should kids be 
playing around cars *anyway*?


> What about if the traders pals/customers were forever tearing up and down 
> the street at ridiculously high speeds?


How's this guy meant to be responsible for the actions of other people?

It strikes me that some people just don't like to be reminded that other 
people share their planet every now and then. Yes, some of them could be 
better behaved. If you don't like it, talk to them. If you won't talk to 
them, then don't expect them to know what you're thinking. If you DO talk 
to them, talk to them like a reasonable human being, don't go in with all 
guns blazing, or sarcastically, or patronisingly.

If you want perfect silence and peace, then move into the countryside, with 
your nearest neighbour half a mile away. If you do, please don't complain 
about the tractors or cowshit on the road, or the church bells.

>>>> 3) Try talking to the guy.
>>>
>>> Not so easy for some people to talk to someone who probably looks as
>>> if he could crack a lump of granite with the cheeks of his arse!
>>>
>> Oh for the love of God.
>
> Why, if he exists - which he doesn't - then why would you want to invoke 
> the
> "love of God" because there are some people who are very intimidating and
> who do not take kindly to being "talked" to when they are commiting a
> nuisance.


It's quite simple - different types of people need to be talked to in 
different ways.  You wouldn't neccessarily talk in the same manner to, let's 
say, a judge, as you would to a car mechanic for example.  It's a matter of 
knowing how to approach different types of people.  It's part of life.  If 
you can't judge how to talk to this guy, then think a bit harder.  Then take 
a step back and think about whether it's a case of him actually being a 
genuine nuisance or you just being intolerant.

I mean - cars driving outside his house with stereos on loud - how do you 
define loud?  For how long are they on?  Is it *really* that much of an 
issue?  People beeping their horns outside instead of going to the door? So 
fucking what?  He could be out in the garden and much more likely to hear a 
car horn than the doorbell - who knows?  Do you complain if a taxi beeps a 
horn instead of walking up to the door?  Chucking beer cans in the gutter? 
Well if that's a genuine environmental issue then complain to the relevant 
authorities.  Swearing in front of kids - well you can't go around telling 
people how to raise their kids - I don't think it's right that people swear 
in front of kids, largely 'cos kids are often too young to know better and 
will fucking swear all the cunting fucking time - swearing in moderation 
(i.e. as neccessary) is fine in everyday language, but pointless in excess, 
as the accentuation type effect that anything that might have had will just 
be diluted it someone fucking swears virtually every other fucking word.

It sounds like the guy in question is just a bit intolerant of this guy for 
no particular reason, and is clutching at straws to actually find something 
he's *actually* doing wrong.

If parking is an issue in the street, and the cars do genuinely get in the 
way, then discuss it with him.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

The message 
from Paul Rooney  contains these words:


> Nowadays they are - but I have no intention of ever living on a
> housing estate. I prefer the older areas with mixed usage. More going
> on. More interesting. Easier to find/buy stuff.


I certainly miss the mized nature of the bit of Hounslow we used to live
in. It's one of the few things I do miss, but all those wonderful skips
full of smashing stuff - ah, heaven. Round here if you're lucky you
might find some rubble or mud.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

Adrian wrote:


> Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
> 
>> However, what about if parking was limited?
> 
> If the cars are legal, then they have as much right to be parked there as
> your car does. If they're not legal, then that's an offence.


Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking. Once a single
household has six, eight or more cars parked and not in use then it causes
difficulties for others. Yes, it may be legal but it is also very
anti-social.

> 
>> What about if access to your own property was frequently obstructed?
> 
> Then that's obstruction, and that's an offence.


Indeed, but when unable to access your own garage who do you turn to? Please
don't say the police, they would not even come to look.


> 
>> What about if the noise went on until 11 or 12 o'clock at night?
> 
> Then that's a specific offence.
> 

Again, difficult to resolve however.


>> What about if cars were left insecurely supported with no wheels on
>> where kids play?
> 
> Why are kids playing in the street unsupervised if they aren't old enough
> to be told and to understand not to play around them? Should kids be
> playing around cars *anyway*?
> 

The area in question is a cul-de-sac. I personally would not have allowed my
children to play there, but I don't think those children's safety should be
put at risk by people carrying out illegal businesses.


>> What about if the traders pals/customers were forever tearing up and down
>> the street at ridiculously high speeds?
> 
> How's this guy meant to be responsible for the actions of other people?
> 

I wouldn't suggest he should be held directly responsible. Nonetheless the
only reason for these others tearing up and down was because he was
perceived as the local car guru. Once he went, so did the problem.


> It strikes me that some people jeopleust don't like to be reminded that
other
> people share their planet every now and then. Yes, some of them could be
> better behaved. If you don't like it, talk to them. 


If you read the post to which you have replied, you will see that I did try
to talk to them.


> If you won't talk to 
> them, then don't expect them to know what you're thinking. If you DO talk
> to them, talk to them like a reasonable human being, don't go in with all
> guns blazing, or sarcastically, or patronisingly.
> 

As must be obvious from me saying that I am retired, I am no hot-headed
youth! Part of my experience at work involved delicate negotiation with
sometimes difficult people. Sadly, there are some that one cannot talk to
sensibly. 


> If you want perfect silence and peace, then move into the countryside,
> with your nearest neighbour half a mile away. If you do, please don't
> complain about the tractors or cowshit on the road, or the church bells.


I don't want perfect silence or peace. I have a young, boisterous family
living next door. The Mum often tries to apologise for her noisy kids but I
tell her that I brought up a family myself and understand the difficulties.
I like to hear the children playing.  We get on very well.

With regard to the original point of the thread, the difficulties I
experienced were from a house that was privately rented. The owner had
originally lived in it so we knew them. They needed little persuading not
to renew the contract once the 12 months was up. Needless to say the inside
of the house had been treated with as much contempt for other's property as
the outside had been.

Chris

-- 
Remove prejudice to reply

>> If you won't talk to
>> them, then don't expect them to know what you're thinking. If you DO talk
>> to them, talk to them like a reasonable human being, don't go in with all
>> guns blazing, or sarcastically, or patronisingly.
>>
> As must be obvious from me saying that I am retired, I am no hot-headed
> youth! Part of my experience at work involved delicate negotiation with
> sometimes difficult people. Sadly, there are some that one cannot talk to
> sensibly.


Do the people that deal with him manage to talk to him without problems? 
Probably, or they wouldn't bother dealing with him.  Therefore it *is* 
possible, you just don't know how.


> With regard to the original point of the thread, the difficulties I
> experienced were from a house that was privately rented. The owner had
> originally lived in it so we knew them. They needed little persuading not
> to renew the contract once the 12 months was up. Needless to say the 
> inside
> of the house had been treated with as much contempt for other's property 
> as
> the outside had been.


Well if it's in an area with as much demand for rented housing that they can 
afford to picky about who rents their house, then fair play to them.  If 
not, then you take what you can get, or you don't rent the place out.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

In article <P24Pe.95591$G8.55410@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
nbkm57@hotmail.com (mrcheerful                                           
                               .) wrote:


> Selling more than two vehicles a year is regarded as business.
> 
> DVLA web site has a facility to report unlicensed cars.


I've bought, driven, and sold on, 5 cars this year. Each time I've only 
owned one car at the time of sale, and upgraded with each new 
purchase...

Someone want to tell me I'm a dealer?

-- 
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

The message <wSIPe.25$B4.5@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>
from "AstraVanMan"  contains
these words:


> I mean - cars driving outside his house with stereos on loud - how do you 
> define loud?

 
A bunch of kids pulled up outside our house at about 7am one day with
the music pumping. I assume they were picking up a mate for a trip to
the seaside (prolly Southend!) or similar. I wandered down in my
dressinggown and squatted down by the window and asked 'em to turn it
down a bit so we could sleep.

Driver started loads of verbal abuse when one of the girls in the back
said "Come on, (some name), he's asked really nicely and it is early in
the morning". 

He obviously knew which side his bread was buttered 'cos he turned it
down with a sheepish grin.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

"Paul Cummins"  wrote in message 
news:memo.20050826202600.2136A@0007148297.gst-group.co.uk...

> In article <P24Pe.95591$G8.55410@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> nbkm57@hotmail.com (mrcheerful
>                               .) wrote:
>
>> Selling more than two vehicles a year is regarded as business.
>>
>> DVLA web site has a facility to report unlicensed cars.
>
> I've bought, driven, and sold on, 5 cars this year. Each time I've only
> owned one car at the time of sale, and upgraded with each new
> purchase...
>
> Someone want to tell me I'm a dealer?


The council can apply any rules they want, my local one says more than two a 
year may be regarded as a business.  I know of one case where the council 
used the sale of one vehicle to try and prove my dad was a car dealer, he 
refused to answer any questions at all and the case was dropped.  He would 
also never sign for letters or be on the census.

mrcheerful

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:52:08 +0100, Guy King 
wrote:


>The message <deigg8$aa6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
>from "John McLean"  contains these words:
>
>> Anybody got any experience or recommendations on this problem?
>
>We had trouble with people selling old bangers from the verges round our
>area. A call to Trading Standards at first generated no interest, but a
>chat with the beat copper and a request from him lead to "Unlicenced
>Vehicle" stickers appearing on them all, followed by a visit from the
>crane-truck which took 'em all away to the breakers.
>

I wish they would do that round here. They just don't seem to be
interested when you tell them about untaxed vehicles being driven, not
just parked, on the road. It makes a mockery of all the DVLA's
advertising - their computer is a waste of time on these, as the people
who are driving them also don't have them registered. They either don't
exist on the computer, or the details are out of date.
Of course these cars usually don't have any MOT, and in some cases the
drivers don't even have a licence. Pray you don't have an accident with
one.
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by email)     
----1961 Austin A40 Farina----1966 Triumph Herald Estate---
---1967 Riley Elf---1965 Hillman Minx---1969 Morris Minor--
-1972 Mini Clubman estate--1957 Standard 8--1979 Ford Capri
    ********** Please don't email in HTML! **********

"Guy King"  wrote in message 
news:3130303034323739430F842036@zetnet.co.uk...

> The message <wSIPe.25$B4.5@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>
> from "AstraVanMan"  contains
> these words:
>
>> I mean - cars driving outside his house with stereos on loud - how do you
>> define loud?
>
> A bunch of kids pulled up outside our house at about 7am one day with
> the music pumping. I assume they were picking up a mate for a trip to
> the seaside (prolly Southend!) or similar. I wandered down in my
> dressinggown and squatted down by the window and asked 'em to turn it
> down a bit so we could sleep.
>
> Driver started loads of verbal abuse when one of the girls in the back
> said "Come on, (some name), he's asked really nicely and it is early in
> the morning".
>
> He obviously knew which side his bread was buttered 'cos he turned it
> down with a sheepish grin.


I went out to someone that blasted up our road and hooted for a neighbour 
every day at 6 am, after a few repetitions of this I went out in the dark 
when he hooted and smashed on his side window with my fist, I was rather 
hoping it would break, but it did give him the most gorgeous fright, I then 
told him that he should knock on his friends door and not wake me and others 
up, although he hooted as he left (to be expected, really) he never did it 
again.

mrcheerful

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:50:20 GMT, Chris Whelan
 wrote:


>> I reckon all vehicle on a public highway are supposed to have current tax
>> insurance and an MOT if not then the police or vehicle inspectorate should
>> be doing something about it. Even if they are SORN they should not be on
>> the public highway.
>
>I *think* the law was changed recently to allow the local council to
>clamp/remove untaxed vehicles. Certainly, non-uniformed individuals working
>out of local council vans have carried out two purges in the last year
>where I live. There has been a police presence both times, but the officer
>remained in his car.
>There was no mercy - no current tax meant a clamp was fitted immediately,
>the vehicle was then removed the same day. It has been very effective in
>reducing the number of cars clearly not in use parked on the roads.
>

Oh, I wish! I'm so careful never to leave any of my untaxed cars on the
road, even if it means shuffling the taxed ones round the garden! My
neighbour trades a bit (he does have trade insurance and a vat number to
keep it all above-board) and he, too, keeps untaxed vehicles off the
road. It's the muppets that trade with him who drive untaxed, and piss
me off by parking in or across my drive :-(
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by email)     
----1961 Austin A40 Farina----1966 Triumph Herald Estate---
---1967 Riley Elf---1965 Hillman Minx---1969 Morris Minor--
-1972 Mini Clubman estate--1957 Standard 8--1979 Ford Capri
    ********** Please don't email in HTML! **********

> I went out to someone that blasted up our road and hooted for a neighbour 
> every day at 6 am, after a few repetitions of this I went out in the dark 
> when he hooted and smashed on his side window with my fist, I was rather 
> hoping it would break, but it did give him the most gorgeous fright, I 
> then told him that he should knock on his friends door and not wake me and 
> others up, although he hooted as he left (to be expected, really) he never 
> did it again.


Heh - some people don't think much about others.  Just a simple phone call 
from his mobile would have done if he couldn't be arsed to get out of the 
car.  Anyway, if someone's expecting a lift at 6am, why don't they just look 
out for the person or wait outside?

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've had your big end bearings go."

The message <JRKPe.96876$G8.45235@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "mrcheerful                                                        
                 ."  contains these words:


> I went out to someone that blasted up our road and hooted for a neighbour 
> every day at 6 am, after a few repetitions of this I went out in the dark 
> when he hooted


We had a Post Office van which used to wheel spin at one end of our road
then try handbrake turns at the other end - at 6am. Eventually we got
fed up and persuaded the supervisor chappy to stand in our garden behind
the rosemary and watch him. Driver never got as far as the end of the
road - supervisor stopped him, ejected him from the vehicle and told him
to walk back to the yard while super finished the round.

-- 
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.

AstraVanMan wrote:


>>> If you won't talk to
>>> them, then don't expect them to know what you're thinking. If you DO
>>> talk to them, talk to them like a reasonable human being, don't go in
>>> with all guns blazing, or sarcastically, or patronisingly.
>>>
>> As must be obvious from me saying that I am retired, I am no hot-headed
>> youth! Part of my experience at work involved delicate negotiation with
>> sometimes difficult people. Sadly, there are some that one cannot talk to
>> sensibly.
> 
> Do the people that deal with him manage to talk to him without problems?
> Probably, or they wouldn't bother dealing with him.  Therefore it *is*
> possible, you just don't know how.


OK. Change "talk to" to "reason with".

I'm sure if I had approached him with a view to buying one of his tarted up
old bangers I would have found him much more willing to engage in
conversation!


> 
>> With regard to the original point of the thread, the difficulties I
>> experienced were from a house that was privately rented. The owner had
>> originally lived in it so we knew them. They needed little persuading not
>> to renew the contract once the 12 months was up. Needless to say the
>> inside
>> of the house had been treated with as much contempt for other's property
>> as
>> the outside had been.
> 
> Well if it's in an area with as much demand for rented housing that they
> can
> afford to picky about who rents their house, then fair play to them.  If
> not, then you take what you can get, or you don't rent the place out.
> 

Pretty much the whole of the SE has a high demand for rented housing surely?
Local estate agents advertise for suitable properties all the time. 
Certainly the rented houses around here are usually only empty for a few
weeks between lets unless the previous tenants have trashed them.

Chris

-- 
Remove prejudice to reply

AstraVanMan wrote:

>>>>> 3) Try talking to the guy.
>>>>
>>>> Not so easy for some people to talk to someone who probably looks
>>>> as if he could crack a lump of granite with the cheeks of his arse!
>>>>
>>> Oh for the love of God.
>>
>> Why, if he exists - which he doesn't - then why would you want to
>> invoke the
>> "love of God" because there are some people who are very
>> intimidating and who do not take kindly to being "talked" to when
>> they are commiting a nuisance.
>
> It's quite simple - different types of people need to be talked to in
> different ways.  You wouldn't neccessarily talk in the same manner
> to, let's say, a judge, as you would to a car mechanic for example.
> It's a matter of knowing how to approach different types of people.
> It's part of life.  If you can't judge how to talk to this guy, then
> think a bit harder.  Then take a step back and think about whether
> it's a case of him actually being a genuine nuisance or you just
> being intolerant.


As part previous job, I spent over twenty years talking to various people in
various situations, most were quite easy to talk-to and would take heed of
the information that was given.  There were a few who would be exactly the
opposite and stand two inches off my nose scream and shout and cover me with
spit (notwithstanding that I am 6 foot tall and built like the proverbial
brick crapper) but never actually assaulted - so I personally would have the
skills etc to talk to the person - but perhaps the OP would not, nor would
some others in that situation.


> I mean - cars driving outside his house with stereos on loud - how do
> you define loud?  For how long are they on?  Is it *really* that much
> of an issue?  People beeping their horns outside instead of going to
> the door? So fucking what?  He could be out in the garden and much
> more likely to hear a car horn than the doorbell - who knows?  Do you
> complain if a taxi beeps a horn instead of walking up to the door?
> Chucking beer cans in the gutter? Well if that's a genuine
> environmental issue then complain to the relevant authorities.
> Swearing in front of kids - well you can't go around telling people
> how to raise their kids - I don't think it's right that people swear
> in front of kids, largely 'cos kids are often too young to know
> better and will fucking swear all the cunting fucking time - swearing
> in moderation (i.e. as neccessary) is fine in everyday language, but
> pointless in excess, as the accentuation type effect that anything
> that might have had will just be diluted it someone fucking swears
> virtually every other fucking word.


To answer you questions briefly - whatever disturbs you is a nuisance to
you - and if it causes you a nuisance then you can complain either
unofficially direct to the person, or officially through third parties.

To use the age old adage - One man's meat is anothers poison.


> It sounds like the guy in question is just a bit intolerant of this
> guy for no particular reason, and is clutching at straws to actually
> find something he's *actually* doing wrong.


From what I read of the OP, the person he is complaining about is almost
certainly commiting a number of offences that could invoke some sort of
legal punishment and in that case, tolerance or intolerance is irrelevant -
the law has been broken on several accounts.


> If parking is an issue in the street, and the cars do genuinely get
> in the way, then discuss it with him.


As I previously explained, with some people, discussion is not an option for
a number of reasons - and I must admit, there have been times when I have
refused to attend incidents without someone else being with me and a bloody
great pick-axe handle in the back of the van.

As a matter of interest, getting an Astra van picked up and turned around to
face the opposite direction (whilst I was sat in it) by a gang of drunken
yobs at 3am in the morning whilst attending an emergency call, certainly had
an effect on me - I thank my lucky stars for a two way radio system, a very
alert control staff and the quick reactions of the local plod!

Brian G

Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


> Pretty much the whole of the SE has a high demand for rented housing
> surely?


MANY places have a surfeit of rented property, due to the explosion in buy-
to-let. Rents are falling and void periods are increasing.

Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


>>> However, what about if parking was limited?

>> If the cars are legal, then they have as much right to be parked
>> there as your car does. If they're not legal, then that's an offence.

> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.


Not always.


> Once a single household has six, eight or more cars parked and not in 
> use then it causes difficulties for others. Yes, it may be legal but 
> it is also very anti-social.


But it's legal. If you don't like it, you could always *talk* to them.


>>> What about if access to your own property was frequently obstructed?

>> Then that's obstruction, and that's an offence.

> Indeed, but when unable to access your own garage who do you turn to?
> Please don't say the police, they would not even come to look.


"Excuse me, but would you mind moving your car - I can't get mine into my 
garage. Thanks."


>>> What about if cars were left insecurely supported with no wheels on
>>> where kids play?

>> Why are kids playing in the street unsupervised if they aren't old
>> enough to be told and to understand not to play around them? Should
>> kids be playing around cars *anyway*?

> The area in question is a cul-de-sac. I personally would not have
> allowed my children to play there, but I don't think those children's
> safety should be put at risk by people carrying out illegal
> businesses. 


That's not your problem. If the parents want to try and absolve their own 
responsibility for their children's safety, that's their problem. Nobody 
else's.


>> It strikes me that some people jeopleust don't like to be reminded
>> that other people share their planet every now and then. Yes, some of 
>> them could be better behaved. If you don't like it, talk to them. 

> If you read the post to which you have replied, you will see that I
> did try to talk to them.


The OP explicitly said they hadn't.


>> If you won't talk to 
>> them, then don't expect them to know what you're thinking. If you DO
>> talk to them, talk to them like a reasonable human being, don't go in
>> with all guns blazing, or sarcastically, or patronisingly.

> As must be obvious from me saying that I am retired, I am no
> hot-headed youth!


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Age has *nothing* to do with politeness. Being retired often makes people 
MORE likely to be patronising.

Guy King (guy.king@zetnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they 
were saying :


> all those wonderful skips
> full of smashing stuff - ah, heaven. Round here if you're lucky you
> might find some rubble or mud.


An ex-landlord of mine was an accomplished skip diver.

One day, he disappears off with his trailer in the middle of the night, and 
comes back with about a ton of topsoil from a skip outside a house that's 
having some building work done.

Starts spreading it in the garden, then suddenly curses...

It turns out it's about 50/50 topsoil and dog turds. The people in this 
house must have had DOZENS of big dogs...

In article <TyGPe.2645$p4.1347@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, Chris Whelan 
says...

> Conor wrote:
> 
> > Do you mow your lawn?
> > 
> 
> Surely a better comparison would be if the OP was running a lawn mower
> repair and sales operation from a private residence?  
> 

Nope. Mowing your lawn makes a noise. Its usually done on a weekend 
when most working people are on their days off. Therefore, antisocial.


-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

In article <EULPe.203$B4.91@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, Chris Whelan says...


> Pretty much the whole of the SE has a high demand for rented housing surely?
> Local estate agents advertise for suitable properties all the time. 
> Certainly the rented houses around here are usually only empty for a few
> weeks between lets unless the previous tenants have trashed them.
> 

THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM. You're a Southerner.

You're a typical self centred intolerant rude Southerner whose sole 
preoccupation is how many 100,000's your house is worth and how much 
said bloke is reducing that. Like most Southerners, you barricade 
yourself behind your front door and after years of not talking to one 
another, now believe everything you read in the Tory Mail about the 
streets being ridden with crime.



-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

In article , Brian G says...


> 
> Then you obviously know the problems that arise from such a nuisance?
> 

What problems?

Don't have any here.



-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

Conor wrote:

> In article <EULPe.203$B4.91@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, Chris Whelan
> says...
>
>> Pretty much the whole of the SE has a high demand for rented housing
>> surely? Local estate agents advertise for suitable properties all
>> the time. Certainly the rented houses around here are usually only
>> empty for a few weeks between lets unless the previous tenants have
>> trashed them.
>>
> THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM. You're a Southerner.
>
> You're a typical self centred intolerant rude Southerner whose sole
> preoccupation is how many 100,000's your house is worth and how much
> said bloke is reducing that. Like most Southerners, you barricade
> yourself behind your front door and after years of not talking to one
> another, now believe everything you read in the Tory Mail about the
> streets being ridden with crime.


Time of the month, Conor?

Conor wrote:


> In article <EULPe.203$B4.91@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, Chris Whelan says...
> 
>> Pretty much the whole of the SE has a high demand for rented housing
>> surely? Local estate agents advertise for suitable properties all the
>> time. Certainly the rented houses around here are usually only empty for
>> a few weeks between lets unless the previous tenants have trashed them.
>> 
> THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM. You're a Southerner.
> 


Problem? What problem?

I'm not the original poster here. I was just trying to offer him some
support after all the rudeness and unhelpful criticism he experienced in
response to what I thought was a perfectly reasonable question. Relating a
past experience that I had, and explaining how it was resolved, was my
attempt to help him.



> You're a typical self centred intolerant rude Southerner whose sole
> preoccupation is how many 100,000's your house is worth and how much
> said bloke is reducing that. Like most Southerners, you barricade
> yourself behind your front door and after years of not talking to one
> another, now believe everything you read in the Tory Mail about the
> streets being ridden with crime.
> 


Conor, in the short time I have been reading this NG I have seen you be
wrong many times. You have never made a bigger mistake than what you have
posted above.

In what way have I been rude? What have I posted here that makes you think
of me as self-centred or intolerant?

The house I live in belongs to the local authority! I couldn't give a
twopenny toss how much it is worth - it isn't mine!

As to the rest of the paragraph above, I have lived here since the house was
built nearly 30 years. The house is in a terrace of six. Four of the houses
have the original occupants. Some like me still rent from the council,
others have used their right to buy.

Our houses front on to a park with no road, with open plan gardens. Once or
twice a year we have a barbeque with all invited. We always visit each
other at Christmas or any time we feel like a party. All our children have
grown up together and still keep in touch with each other to some degree.
We help each other with DIY, gardening, transport, shopping and yes,
sometimes even car repairs. As I am typing this upstairs in the spare
bedroom, it is warm and humid. The front door is wide open. If one of the
neighbours wants me, they will tap on the door, walk in and call me. I
would do exactly the same at their houses. To celebrate 25 years of living
here we took over the restaraunt at a nearby pub for the evening.

The friendliness of my neighbours is one of the reasons why I would not want
to move from here.

However, your misreading of who and what I am in a political sense is the
biggest innaccuracy of all! 

I am a member of the Labour party. I have voted in every local and general
election I have been entitled to, and obviously always for Labour. Part of
the time I was working, I was a shop steward and a TGWU branch vice-chair.
If I took a daily paper (which I don't) it would *not* be the Mail!

Chris

-- 
Remove prejudice to reply

Adrian wrote:


> Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
> 
>>>> However, what about if parking was limited?
> 
>>> If the cars are legal, then they have as much right to be parked
>>> there as your car does. If they're not legal, then that's an offence.
> 
>> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.
> 
> Not always.


Yes always! It is inevitably part of the planning application.

> 
>> Once a single household has six, eight or more cars parked and not in
>> use then it causes difficulties for others. Yes, it may be legal but
>> it is also very anti-social.
> 
> But it's legal. If you don't like it, you could always *talk* to them.
> 
>>>> What about if access to your own property was frequently obstructed?
> 
>>> Then that's obstruction, and that's an offence.
> 
>> Indeed, but when unable to access your own garage who do you turn to?
>> Please don't say the police, they would not even come to look.
> 
> "Excuse me, but would you mind moving your car - I can't get mine into my
> garage. Thanks."


"FUCK OFF!"

<Sound of door slamming shut>

> 
>>>> What about if cars were left insecurely supported with no wheels on
>>>> where kids play?
> 
>>> Why are kids playing in the street unsupervised if they aren't old
>>> enough to be told and to understand not to play around them? Should
>>> kids be playing around cars *anyway*?
> 
>> The area in question is a cul-de-sac. I personally would not have
>> allowed my children to play there, but I don't think those children's
>> safety should be put at risk by people carrying out illegal
>> businesses.
> 
> That's not your problem. If the parents want to try and absolve their own
> responsibility for their children's safety, that's their problem. Nobody
> else's.
> 
>>> It strikes me that some people jeopleust don't like to be reminded
>>> that other people share their planet every now and then. Yes, some of
>>> them could be better behaved. If you don't like it, talk to them.
> 
>> If you read the post to which you have replied, you will see that I
>> did try to talk to them.
> 
> The OP explicitly said they hadn't.
> 
>>> If you won't talk to
>>> them, then don't expect them to know what you're thinking. If you DO
>>> talk to them, talk to them like a reasonable human being, don't go in
>>> with all guns blazing, or sarcastically, or patronisingly.
> 
>> As must be obvious from me saying that I am retired, I am no
>> hot-headed youth!
> 
> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
> 
> Age has *nothing* to do with politeness. Being retired often makes people
> MORE likely to be patronising.


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Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


>>> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.

>> Not always.

> Yes always! It is inevitably part of the planning application.


Not always.


>>> Indeed, but when unable to access your own garage who do you turn
>>> to? Please don't say the police, they would not even come to look.

>> "Excuse me, but would you mind moving your car - I can't get mine
>> into my garage. Thanks."

> "FUCK OFF!"
> 
> <Sound of door slamming shut>


Mmm. Meanwhile, in the real world - unless there's some history of behaving 
like a twat towards them?

Adrian wrote:


> Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
> 
>>>> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.
> 
>>> Not always.
> 
>> Yes always! It is inevitably part of the planning application.
> 
> Not always.


Please enlighten me as to under what circumstances it would be possible to
develop new housing without making provision for parking.

> 
>>>> Indeed, but when unable to access your own garage who do you turn
>>>> to? Please don't say the police, they would not even come to look.
> 
>>> "Excuse me, but would you mind moving your car - I can't get mine
>>> into my garage. Thanks."
> 
>> "FUCK OFF!"
>> 
>> <Sound of door slamming shut>
> 
> Mmm. Meanwhile, in the real world - unless there's some history of
> behaving like a twat towards them?


What do you mean "...in the real world"? I was describing what actually
happened. This was the very first time I had ever spoken to this person. He
became more unpleasant as time went by. I honestly and genuinely believe I
never gave him any cause. 

Chris
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"Johannes"  wrote in message 
news:430DBCDF.4A8B8060@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com...

>
>
> Guy King wrote:
>>
>> The message 
>> from Johannes  contains these words:
>>
>> > You are probably allowed to maintain your own (registered) cars, but
>> > even then
>> > maintenance is not a daily occurrence.
>>
>> Ah - there speaks someone who hasn't owned a Fiat 127.
>
> I have owned a Fiat 132-1800 GLS, Fiat 132 2000, Fiat Croma CHT. The two
> first were fun rwd cars. The Croma had cheap interior, but OK car and
> didn't rust. I liked the outline of the Type 4 cars and got a 1993 SAAB
> 9000 CSE, what a difference in build quality that was.


Fiat 132, blimey, showing your age, I did have a Fiat 2300, now who 
remembers them?  Did my first 100mph in that on the A404 Marlow by-pass, 
would only pull 90mph on the way back up though.

--
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"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.1d7a7f9c74bb5e8198a91a@news.individual.net...

> In article , Brian G says...
>
>>
>> Then you obviously know the problems that arise from such a nuisance?
>>
> What problems?
>
> Don't have any here.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Conor


there are probably lots of problems but you don't see them as you are at 
school.

Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


>>>>> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.

>>>> Not always.

>>> Yes always! It is inevitably part of the planning application.

>> Not always.

> Please enlighten me as to under what circumstances it would be
> possible to develop new housing without making provision for parking.


There are *plenty* of new developments with little or no parking.
In fact, "car-free" developments are positively encouraged by many urban 
local authorities.


>>>> "Excuse me, but would you mind moving your car - I can't get mine
>>>> into my garage. Thanks."

>>> "FUCK OFF!"
>>> 
>>> <Sound of door slamming shut>

>> Mmm. Meanwhile, in the real world - unless there's some history of
>> behaving like a twat towards them?

> What do you mean "...in the real world"? I was describing what
> actually happened. This was the very first time I had ever spoken to
> this person. He became more unpleasant as time went by. I honestly and
> genuinely believe I never gave him any cause. 


In that case, I'd suggest your demeanour was entirely at fault. Unless, of 
course, the guy truly is a sociopath. But that's *far* less likely.

Adrian wrote:


> Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
> 
>>>>>> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.
> 
>>>>> Not always.
> 
>>>> Yes always! It is inevitably part of the planning application.
> 
>>> Not always.
> 
>> Please enlighten me as to under what circumstances it would be
>> possible to develop new housing without making provision for parking.
> 
> There are *plenty* of new developments with little or no parking.
> In fact, "car-free" developments are positively encouraged by many urban
> local authorities.


I'd be interested to know where. Certainly in this area one of the biggest
headaches to getting planning permission granted is convincing the planning
dept that there is enough parking.

> 
>>>>> "Excuse me, but would you mind moving your car - I can't get mine
>>>>> into my garage. Thanks."
> 
>>>> "FUCK OFF!"
>>>> 
>>>> <Sound of door slamming shut>
> 
>>> Mmm. Meanwhile, in the real world - unless there's some history of
>>> behaving like a twat towards them?
> 
>> What do you mean "...in the real world"? I was describing what
>> actually happened. This was the very first time I had ever spoken to
>> this person. He became more unpleasant as time went by. I honestly and
>> genuinely believe I never gave him any cause.
> 
> In that case, I'd suggest your demeanour was entirely at fault.


Of course that is entirely possible. However, he treated all the other
neighbours equally unpleasantly.


> Unless, of  course, the guy truly is a sociopath. But that's *far* less >
> likely.


Why?

Chris

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Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying : 


>>>>>>> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.

>>>>>> Not always.

>>>>> Yes always! It is inevitably part of the planning application.

>>>> Not always.

>>> Please enlighten me as to under what circumstances it would be
>>> possible to develop new housing without making provision for
>>> parking. 

>> There are *plenty* of new developments with little or no parking.
>> In fact, "car-free" developments are positively encouraged by many
>> urban local authorities.

> I'd be interested to know where. 


Google is your friend. There's plenty.

http://www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/content/transport-and-streets/transport-
strategies/car-free-housing.en

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Business/City+Plan/Part+2+-
+Development+Policies/Section+3+-+Residential/RES+4+Car+Free+Housing/

http://www.canmore-housing.org.uk/default.asp?ID=8036

And, just in case you think these are isolated :-
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/odpm_planning/documents/page/odpm_pl
an_606933-05.hcsp


> Certainly in this area one of the biggest headaches to getting planning 
> permission granted is convincing the planning dept that there is enough 
> parking.


Round here, planning permission has been refused on the grounds of 
insufficient parking, too. That does not mean that rule applies 
*everywhere*.

R wrote:

> 
> "Johannes"  wrote in message
> news:430DBCDF.4A8B8060@spam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com...
> >
> >
> > Guy King wrote:
> >>
> >> The message 
> >> from Johannes  contains these words:
> >>
> >> > You are probably allowed to maintain your own (registered) cars, but
> >> > even then
> >> > maintenance is not a daily occurrence.
> >>
> >> Ah - there speaks someone who hasn't owned a Fiat 127.
> >
> > I have owned a Fiat 132-1800 GLS, Fiat 132 2000, Fiat Croma CHT. The two
> > first were fun rwd cars. The Croma had cheap interior, but OK car and
> > didn't rust. I liked the outline of the Type 4 cars and got a 1993 SAAB
> > 9000 CSE, what a difference in build quality that was.
> 
> Fiat 132, blimey, showing your age, I did have a Fiat 2300, now who
> remembers them?  Did my first 100mph in that on the A404 Marlow by-pass,
> would only pull 90mph on the way back up though.


Quite. In my Fiat 132 days there wasn't as much fuss about speed limits,
so it was pedal to the metal most of the time... Yes, I remember Fiat 2300,
quite a plush car. It had an inline six, I was told by a mechanic that 
the rear cylinders could overheat if you pushed it. Problem solved with
modern transverse engines.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:47:56 +0100, Conor 
wrote:


>THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM. You're a Southerner.
>
>You're a typical self centred intolerant rude Southerner whose sole 
>preoccupation is how many 100,000's your house is worth and how much 
>said bloke is reducing that. Like most Southerners, you barricade 
>yourself behind your front door and after years of not talking to one 
>another, now believe everything you read in the Tory Mail about the 
>streets being ridden with crime.


Normally I'd disagree with Conor on principle, because he's an efffin'
wagon driver. But here, I have to concede that he has a point. Round
here, we all know who does the crime, with a few exceptions, and deal
with it accordingly. if anyone, ever, tells me that the state of my
house/vehicles is lowering the price of their property, they'll get
their testicles crushed. Then we'll discuss it reasonably.
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:00:48 GMT, Chris Whelan
 wrote:


>> "Excuse me, but would you mind moving your car - I can't get mine into my
>> garage. Thanks."
>
>"FUCK OFF!"
>
><Sound of door slamming shut>



Wander across in your vest. Offer the can of Stella that you have in
your other hand (the unopened one).
Drink.
Talk. 
Don't raise the subject of obstruction.

Repeat for 7 days.
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In article <a40Qe.131$76.112@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, Chris Whelan 
says...


> 
> Conor, in the short time I have been reading this NG I have seen you be
> wrong many times. You have never made a bigger mistake than what you have
> posted above.
> 

Perhaps you should have a word with the rest of your lot down there.

-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

In article , 
Johannes says...


> Quite. In my Fiat 132 days there wasn't as much fuss about speed limits,
> so it was pedal to the metal most of the time...


Pedal to the metal? In a Fiat? Sure?

LOL.

-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:26:00 +0100, Paul Cummins  
 wrote:


> In article <P24Pe.95591$G8.55410@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> nbkm57@hotmail.com (mrcheerful
>                                .) wrote:
>
>> Selling more than two vehicles a year is regarded as business.
>>
>> DVLA web site has a facility to report unlicensed cars.
>
> I've bought, driven, and sold on, 5 cars this year. Each time I've only
> owned one car at the time of sale, and upgraded with each new
> purchase...
>
> Someone want to tell me I'm a dealer?
>



Well the Revenue can, but only if you made a profit on the deals. Which is  
where the original guidance came from.

Johannes (johs@spam-gets-snuffed-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying : 


>> > Quite. In my Fiat 132 days there wasn't as much fuss about speed
>> > limits, so it was pedal to the metal most of the time...

>> Pedal to the metal? In a Fiat? Sure?
>> 
>> LOL.

> Fiat 132 112bhp twin cam. Book top speed 106mph. Downhill a bit
> more... 


I think he may be querying the presence of "metal" in a '70s Fiat...

Adrian wrote:

> 
> Johannes (johs@spam-gets-snuffed-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily,
> sounding much like they were saying :
> 
> >> > Quite. In my Fiat 132 days there wasn't as much fuss about speed
> >> > limits, so it was pedal to the metal most of the time...
> 
> >> Pedal to the metal? In a Fiat? Sure?
> >>
> >> LOL.
> 
> > Fiat 132 112bhp twin cam. Book top speed 106mph. Downhill a bit
> > more...
> 
> I think he may be querying the presence of "metal" in a '70s Fiat...


It did eventually get ventilation holes in the doors... 
Paint problems really started from day 1 from poor surface preparation.

In article , 
Adrian says...

> Johannes (johs@spam-gets-snuffed-sizefitter.com) gurgled happily,
> sounding much like they were saying : 
> 
> >> > Quite. In my Fiat 132 days there wasn't as much fuss about speed
> >> > limits, so it was pedal to the metal most of the time...
> 
> >> Pedal to the metal? In a Fiat? Sure?
> >> 
> >> LOL.
> 
> > Fiat 132 112bhp twin cam. Book top speed 106mph. Downhill a bit
> > more... 
> 
> I think he may be querying the presence of "metal" in a '70s Fiat...
> 

Yup :-)

-- 
Conor

The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb. - Pink Floyd

Johannes wrote:

> Adrian wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think he may be querying the presence of "metal" in a '70s Fiat...
>
> It did eventually get ventilation holes in the doors...


Thats 'speed holes'

PC Paul wrote:

> 
> Johannes wrote:
> > Adrian wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think he may be querying the presence of "metal" in a '70s Fiat...
> >
> > It did eventually get ventilation holes in the doors...
> 
> Thats 'speed holes'


Quite. Getting rid of metal that doesn't contribute to structural integrity...

Adrian wrote:

> Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily,
> sounding much like they were saying :
> 
> 
>>>> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.
> 
> 
>>> Not always.
> 
> 
>> Yes always! It is inevitably part of the planning application.
> 
> 
> Not always.
> 
> 
>>>> Indeed, but when unable to access your own garage who do you
>>>> turn to? Please don't say the police, they would not even come
>>>> to look.
> 
> 
>>> "Excuse me, but would you mind moving your car - I can't get mine
>>>  into my garage. Thanks."
> 
> 
>> "FUCK OFF!"
>> 
>> <Sound of door slamming shut>
> 
> 
> Mmm. Meanwhile, in the real world - unless there's some history of
> behaving like a twat towards them?


No, there's lots of arrogant wankers out there who think they own 
everything and don't have to answer to anybody... like the builder who 
bought the land next to us, bulldozed it, covered it with soil, buried 
rubbish at the top, trespassed into our garden to cut down our trees and 
hedges (not just lobbing the tops off, but removing them), he removed 
the protected trees in his garden, drilled holes in the side of our 
house to put up fencing, removed our garden drainage which we have 
rights to, stole our land...

Oh, yes, he also dug up the pavement and the grass verge himself to 
create a driveway access. Call me crazy, but I thought you needed 
permission to do that, of which he had none whatsoever, but the council 
didn't want to do anything.

then on top of that... he decided to store a JCB on some spare land a 
few houses away (more trespassing), then he trespassed with the JCB on 
the railway line to take it across the back into his back garden, upon 
which I had to phone the local Railtrack who immediately came out and 
informed me that had a train been going past at that time, then he would 
have caused a train derailment.

Of course, maybe Im the prick for expecting other people to respect our 
property, and to respect other peoples lives, safety, and expecting 
people to care about each other.

Ta ta
Simon

Chris Whelan wrote:

> Adrian wrote:
> 
> 
>> Chris Whelan (cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com) gurgled happily,
>> sounding much like they were saying :
>> 
>> 
>>>>> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Not always.
>> 
>>> Yes always! It is inevitably part of the planning application.
>> 
>> Not always.
> 
> 
> Please enlighten me as to under what circumstances it would be
> possible to develop new housing without making provision for parking.
> 


There's a difference between parking and sufficient parking. They want 
to build 20 flats up the road from my nan, sort of, middle aged 
professional flats... they reckon they can get away with 20 car parking 
spaces.

The roads and the drains aren't big enough for any of it.

It looks like it's going to proceed, but the mainly elderly residents 
are protesting it due to the disruption it will cause on this tiny 
narrow little cul-de-sac where the facilities just wont cope.

Cya
Simon

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:23:39 +0100, Simon Dean
 wrote:


>No, there's lots of arrogant wankers out there who think they own 
>everything and don't have to answer to anybody... like



...the people who think they have rights over their neighbours gardens,
the public highway, the behaviour of other people's kids, etc.
Pain in the arse, aren't they?
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:25:52 +0100, Simon Dean
 wrote:


>There's a difference between parking and sufficient parking. They want 
>to build 20 flats up the road from my nan, sort of, middle aged 
>professional flats... they reckon they can get away with 20 car parking 
>spaces.
>
>The roads and the drains aren't big enough for any of it.


20 flats? Gosh, what an enormous development!

>
>It looks like it's going to proceed, but the mainly elderly residents 
>are protesting it due to the disruption it will cause on this tiny 
>narrow little cul-de-sac where the facilities just wont cope


Old people moan - but not for long, fortunately.

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Paul Rooney wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:25:52 +0100, Simon Dean 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> There's a difference between parking and sufficient parking. They
>> want to build 20 flats up the road from my nan, sort of, middle
>> aged professional flats... they reckon they can get away with 20
>> car parking spaces.
>> 
>> The roads and the drains aren't big enough for any of it.
> 
> 
> 20 flats? Gosh, what an enormous development!


I don't know. I can't remember the exact number. It may have been more. 
But Im just trying to emphasize what a small plot of land it is and how 
little facilities there are for X number of flats, there will be 
inadequate parking if they want that many cars.

> 
>> It looks like it's going to proceed, but the mainly elderly
>> residents are protesting it due to the disruption it will cause on
>> this tiny narrow little cul-de-sac where the facilities just wont
>> cope
> 
> 
> Old people moan - but not for long, fortunately.
> 


While I appreciate that old people die, that's a fucking stupid thing to 
say. What, don't respect old people because they'll die soon?

Personally, while I can't complain about cars passing, the road IS 
unsuitable for the extra traffic the proposed development will generate.

A better solution would be to provide a new access road, that way, the 
old people can be happy, the young ones can be happy, one old house can 
be demolished, and I bet another two or four houses could be built on 
the old access road.

Cya
Simon

Paul Rooney wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:23:39 +0100, Simon Dean
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>No, there's lots of arrogant wankers out there who think they own 
>>everything and don't have to answer to anybody... like
> 
> 
> 
> ..the people who think they have rights over their neighbours gardens,
> the public highway, the behaviour of other people's kids, etc.
> Pain in the arse, aren't they?


If you'd read my post... they're more than that. It's not that they're a 
pain in the arse. Pain in the arse's can be tolerated.

Cya
Simon

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:45:50 +0100, Simon Dean
 wrote:


>Paul Rooney wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:25:52 +0100, Simon Dean 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> There's a difference between parking and sufficient parking. They
>>> want to build 20 flats up the road from my nan, sort of, middle
>>> aged professional flats... they reckon they can get away with 20
>>> car parking spaces.
>>> 
>>> The roads and the drains aren't big enough for any of it.
>> 
>> 
>> 20 flats? Gosh, what an enormous development!
>
>I don't know. I can't remember the exact number. It may have been more. 
>But Im just trying to emphasize what a small plot of land it is and how 
>little facilities there are for X number of flats, there will be 
>inadequate parking if they want that many cars.


220 flats on a small plot of land near me. The drains can take it. Car
parking is taken into account.

>> 
>>> It looks like it's going to proceed, but the mainly elderly
>>> residents are protesting it due to the disruption it will cause on
>>> this tiny narrow little cul-de-sac where the facilities just wont
>>> cope
>> 
>> 
>> Old people moan - but not for long, fortunately.
>> 
>
>While I appreciate that old people die, that's a fucking stupid thing to 
>say. What, don't respect old people because they'll die soon?


Not 'don't respect them'; just don't pay too much attention to their
views. They are about to pop off but the rest of us have a life to
lead.

>
>Personally, while I can't complain about cars passing, the road IS 
>unsuitable for the extra traffic the proposed development will generate.


And this has slipped past the council? 

>
>A better solution would be to provide a new access road, that way, the 
>old people can be happy, the young ones can be happy, one old house can 
>be demolished, and I bet another two or four houses could be built on 
>the old access road.
>
>Cya
>Simon


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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:47:57 +0100, Simon Dean
 wrote:


>Paul Rooney wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:23:39 +0100, Simon Dean
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>No, there's lots of arrogant wankers out there who think they own 
>>>everything and don't have to answer to anybody... like
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ..the people who think they have rights over their neighbours gardens,
>> the public highway, the behaviour of other people's kids, etc.
>> Pain in the arse, aren't they?
>
>If you'd read my post... they're more than that. It's not that they're a 
>pain in the arse. Pain in the arse's can be tolerated.


Not when they moan about their neighbours or drive old Micras at 8mph.
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Paul Rooney wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:47:57 +0100, Simon Dean
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>Paul Rooney wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:23:39 +0100, Simon Dean
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, there's lots of arrogant wankers out there who think they own 
>>>>everything and don't have to answer to anybody... like
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>..the people who think they have rights over their neighbours gardens,
>>>the public highway, the behaviour of other people's kids, etc.
>>>Pain in the arse, aren't they?
>>
>>If you'd read my post... they're more than that. It's not that they're a 
>>pain in the arse. Pain in the arse's can be tolerated.
> 
> 
> Not when they moan about their neighbours or drive old Micras at 8mph.


You really have a thing about old people don't you? If you'd read my 
post... ahh fuck it... not gonna get anywhere with you.

Christian McArdle  writes

>>> 1) Stop being an intolerant bastard.
>>> 2) Stop being a stuck up wanker.
>>> 3) Try talking to the guy.
>>
>> Wow.  For once I agree with Conor.
>
>I don't. The sort of people who run motor trading business from the public
>road (we have one near us) are the type of people who won't hesitate to
>introduce you to Mr Baseball Bat. The problem is that without check, their
>operations spread like a cancer. At one point, this guy had about 20 cars
>that he was selling, all parked on street, making a nuisance.
>
>Occassionally the police put loads of "Police Aware" stickers on and it
>quietens down for 2 weeks. But then he is back.
>
>If you can't afford premises, then you can't be a motor trader. Fine them
>out of existence, I say.
>
>Christian.
>

The local police solved a problem round the corner from where I live by 
simply booking all the cars without tax discs.   They then had to at 
least get them off the road into their scruffy premises.
I didn't report them, I think it was simply the police doing their job.
;-)
-- 
Gordon Harris

Paul Rooney  writes

>
>I don't see what the problem is. What's wrong with people doing
>business from home? I really hate those housing estates with no shops,
>no pubs, no garages, no yards, etc. They are soulless and devoid of
>character.


Sounds like heaven!       Where is it, Rooney?
What you doing in a wheels group?
-- 
Gordon Harris

Paul Rooney  writes

>
>Old people moan - but not for long, fortunately.
>

You forgot about me.
-- 
Gordon Harris

Conor  writes

>>
>Nope. Mowing your lawn makes a noise. Its usually done on a weekend
>when most working people are on their days off. Therefore, antisocial.
>

But very satisfying . . . .
-- 
Gordon Harris

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:27:20 +0100, Gordon 
wrote:


>Paul Rooney  writes
>>
>>Old people moan - but not for long, fortunately.
>>
>You forgot about me.


Gordon, you're not an old person! You're a young person who happens to
have aged physically. But I'll change my mind if your next car is a
Micra!

Btw - fancy a walk? I'm off for a couple of weeks. Could be urw
exhibition 19c. Or 19d...
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:22:29 +0100, Gordon 
wrote:


>Paul Rooney  writes
>>
>>I don't see what the problem is. What's wrong with people doing
>>business from home? I really hate those housing estates with no shops,
>>no pubs, no garages, no yards, etc. They are soulless and devoid of
>>character.
>
>Sounds like heaven!       Where is it, Rooney?
>What you doing in a wheels group?


Hey, I like my wheels. And my emissions!
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:29:41 +0100, Gordon 
wrote:


>Conor  writes
>>>
>>Nope. Mowing your lawn makes a noise. Its usually done on a weekend
>>when most working people are on their days off. Therefore, antisocial.
>>
>But very satisfying . . . .


Nowhere near as satisfying as being sat in a chair watching her push
the mower.
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Paul Rooney  writes

>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:27:20 +0100, Gordon 
>wrote:
>
>>Paul Rooney  writes
>>>
>>>Old people moan - but not for long, fortunately.
>>>
>>You forgot about me.
>
>Gordon, you're not an old person! You're a young person who happens to
>have aged physically. But I'll change my mind if your next car is a
>Micra!
>

My g/f has one!  A Micra S with the CVT option, which belonged to her 
friend who died intestate, and she has become the keeper while the 
distant relatives sort out the mess.    I hope she gets to keep it.


>Btw - fancy a walk? I'm off for a couple of weeks. Could be urw
>exhibition 19c. Or 19d...


I'm hopelessly unfit, you would have to carry me....
:-)
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Gordon Harris

Paul Rooney  writes

>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:29:41 +0100, Gordon 
>wrote:
>
>>Conor  writes
>>>>
>>>Nope. Mowing your lawn makes a noise. Its usually done on a weekend
>>>when most working people are on their days off. Therefore, antisocial.
>>>
>>But very satisfying . . . .
>
>Nowhere near as satisfying as being sat in a chair watching her push
>the mower.


Ha Ha!   I mowed  my lawns today, then took pity on next door and cut 
theirs, he is suffering from prostate cancer and hasn't been out of bed 
for three days.

Then she offered me a can and I sat on their patio and chatted with her 
for half an hour.     It's a tough job, but someone has to do it. 
Mackesons is quite a pleasant drink.....
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Gordon Harris

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:29:08 +0100, Gordon 
wrote:


>Paul Rooney  writes
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:29:41 +0100, Gordon 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Conor  writes
>>>>>
>>>>Nope. Mowing your lawn makes a noise. Its usually done on a weekend
>>>>when most working people are on their days off. Therefore, antisocial.
>>>>
>>>But very satisfying . . . .
>>
>>Nowhere near as satisfying as being sat in a chair watching her push
>>the mower.
>
>Ha Ha!   I mowed  my lawns today, then took pity on next door and cut 
>theirs, he is suffering from prostate cancer and hasn't been out of bed 
>for three days.
>
>Then she offered me a can and I sat on their patio and chatted with her 
>for half an hour.     It's a tough job, but someone has to do it. 
>Mackesons is quite a pleasant drink.....


My neighbour's mower is louder than any motorbike in existence. I may
hurl a can of Stella at him.
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Gordon wrote:


> Ha Ha!   I mowed  my lawns today, then took pity on next door and cut
> theirs, he is suffering from prostate cancer and hasn't been out of bed
> for three days.
> 
> Then she offered me a can and I sat on their patio and chatted with her
> for half an hour.     It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
> Mackesons is quite a pleasant drink.....


Hope the poor bugger doesn't while away his time reading usenet !

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Lordy

"Chris Whelan"  wrote in message
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> Housing built in recent years has to have sufficient parking.


The snag is that 'sufficient' is a term that is defined by local council
planning guideleines. I know that my local council required the number of
parking spaces in a recent development near to be *reduced* before they
would give permission for it ...

D A Stocks

Lordy  writes

>Gordon wrote:
>
>> Ha Ha!   I mowed  my lawns today, then took pity on next door and cut
>> theirs, he is suffering from prostate cancer and hasn't been out of bed
>> for three days.
>>
>> Then she offered me a can and I sat on their patio and chatted with her
>> for half an hour.     It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
>> Mackesons is quite a pleasant drink.....
>
>Hope the poor bugger doesn't while away his time reading usenet !
>

:-(
T'aint like that at all.....

I called round to have a chat with the 'poor bugger' yesterday.   He 
used to be a big strong guy, did all the heavy stuff when we did jobs 
together, now he's down to about 9 stone and rarely gets out of bed.
We have been good neighbours for more than 30 years and it is painful to 
watch.     :-(
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Gordon Harris

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:20:33 +0100, Gordon 
wrote:


>Lordy  writes
>>Gordon wrote:
>>
>>> Ha Ha!   I mowed  my lawns today, then took pity on next door and cut
>>> theirs, he is suffering from prostate cancer and hasn't been out of bed
>>> for three days.
>>>
>>> Then she offered me a can and I sat on their patio and chatted with her
>>> for half an hour.     It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
>>> Mackesons is quite a pleasant drink.....
>>
>>Hope the poor bugger doesn't while away his time reading usenet !
>>
>:-(
>T'aint like that at all.....
>
>I called round to have a chat with the 'poor bugger' yesterday.   He 
>used to be a big strong guy, did all the heavy stuff when we did jobs 
>together, now he's down to about 9 stone and rarely gets out of bed.
>We have been good neighbours for more than 30 years and it is painful to 
>watch.     :-(


Sad. I did the forms for disability benefits for a local real hard guy
a couple of years ago when I worked at tha CAB. He was dying, slowly.
It was painful to see him after knowing what he used to be like. Even
more painful watching his wife crying. He was only in his 30s.
Life is short.
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