Here's one to get the memories going!

What is the most unusual place people have seen 313s at? I ask because
watching a vintage cab ride I saw one on the Royston-Cambridge line
which is off their beaten track. So anyone seen any where they would
not expect to?

> What is the most unusual place people have seen 313s at? I ask because
> watching a vintage cab ride I saw one on the Royston-Cambridge line
> which is off their beaten track. So anyone seen any where they would
> not expect to?


Well, there was one I saw at Milton Keynes a while ago (when the
Silverlink 321s were out), and there was one shown as going to
Birmingham NS as well!
I have also heard that a 313 has gone to Norwich recently, covering for
lack of an Intercity set, though I dont know if this is true or not.

Joe Patrick wrote:

> I have also heard that a 313 has gone to Norwich recently, covering for
> lack of an Intercity set, though I dont know if this is true or not.



317/3s have gone to Naarich recently, 313s haven't though the IC 
passengers would probably hunt down the One MD if this happened

"Conductor in Charge of.........."  wrote in
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> Here's one to get the memories going!
>
> What is the most unusual place people have seen 313s at? I ask because
> watching a vintage cab ride I saw one on the Royston-Cambridge line
> which is off their beaten track. So anyone seen any where they would
> not expect to?


In the early days they were maintained at Horwich Works, in Lancashire - so
it was quite common to see them heading to and from there (obviously not
under power!).

Four were transferred to Clacton, for GE branch line services, in the 1980s.

Jack Taylor wrote:

> "Conductor in Charge of.........."  wrote in
> message news:1124886762.976885.100690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Here's one to get the memories going!
> >
> > What is the most unusual place people have seen 313s at? I ask because
> > watching a vintage cab ride I saw one on the Royston-Cambridge line
> > which is off their beaten track. So anyone seen any where they would
> > not expect to?
>
> In the early days they were maintained at Horwich Works, in Lancashire - so
> it was quite common to see them heading to and from there (obviously not
> under power!).
>
> Four were transferred to Clacton, for GE branch line services, in the 1980s.



Yes, and that's when the most interesting thing a 313 ever did was
demolish Walton station.

MIG wrote:

> Yes, and that's when the most interesting thing a 313 ever did was
> demolish Walton station.


If only it had done a better job of it.

Darren wrote:

> MIG wrote:
> > Yes, and that's when the most interesting thing a 313 ever did was
> > demolish Walton station.
>
> If only it had done a better job of it.




In searching around for pictures after posting that, I found that an
excursion train had another go at it a couple of years ago.

Joe Patrick wrote:

> > What is the most unusual place people have seen 313s at? I ask because
> > watching a vintage cab ride I saw one on the Royston-Cambridge line
> > which is off their beaten track. So anyone seen any where they would
> > not expect to?
>
> Well, there was one I saw at Milton Keynes a while ago (when the
> Silverlink 321s were out), and there was one shown as going to
> Birmingham NS as well!
> I have also heard that a 313 has gone to Norwich recently, covering for
> lack of an Intercity set, though I dont know if this is true or not.



Class 317's and 170's went to Norwich occasionally to cover for 86's
but i don't know if that happens anymore.

The 313 you mentioned with BNS on the header...that must've taken a
fair old time to reach Birmingham, they can only travel at 75mph! As
much as i dislike the 321's, i would rather sit on a tractor all the
way to Birmingham than use a '313'.

I saw a '313' on a mainline working passing Queens Park once, but that
could've been empty stock. I've seen a '150' on the DC lines to Watford
as well before which was strange.

"MIG"  wrote in message 
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>
> Darren wrote:
>> MIG wrote:
>> > Yes, and that's when the most interesting thing a 313 ever did was
>> > demolish Walton station.
>>
>> If only it had done a better job of it.
>
>
>
> In searching around for pictures after posting that, I found that an
> excursion train had another go at it a couple of years ago.


The ironically-named 'Bone Breaker' Class 58 farewell tour, by any chance?

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therunawayminetrain@lycos.co.uk wrote:

> Class 317's and 170's went to Norwich occasionally to cover for 86's
> but i don't know if that happens anymore.


Happens most days now.
One have something they call the Thunderbird set, which is an 8 car 
setup of 317/3s (this weeks being 317305+317335) which sit at Ipswich in 
the morning peak ready to go into action if a set from Naarich is 
cancelled (they manage at least 1 cancellation and several delayed sets 
every day now)

The 317s then sit at Colchester during the day and usually form a peak 
service back to Ipswich in the evening in place of an IC set. If a 
portable NRN unit can be found the set will go through to Naarich.

Rich Mackin wrote:

> The ironically-named 'Bone Breaker' Class 58 farewell tour, by any chance?


That's the one, the local news progs (both BBC and Anglia News) found 
that amusing.

>> In searching around for pictures after posting that, I found that an
>> excursion train had another go at it a couple of years ago.
>
>The ironically-named 'Bone Breaker' Class 58 farewell tour, by any chance?



I think so.  The irony is in the unintended accuracy I suppose.

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>
> Class 317's and 170's went to Norwich occasionally to cover for 86's
> but i don't know if that happens anymore.


A pair of 317s were reported on RailGen as working the 16:30 Liverpool
Street to Norwich on 22nd.

> As much as i dislike the 321's, i would rather sit on a tractor all the
> way to Birmingham than use a '313'.


They're certainly not great for extremely long distances, but the
refurbished Wagn sets are pretty good and do their job for London to
Welwyn Garden City, and the occasional route to Letchworth or Royston.
I doubt I'd want to go to Peterborough or Cambridge, but if it's that
or no train at all it's a no brainer. Sorry, but I'll let you keep the
tractor for yourself. :)

The Wagn 313s have comfortable seats, are clean and look like they'll
go on for another 100 years (which pretty much guarantees we won't see
any new rolling stock for a while to come). I've also spotted that in
recent weeks, they've sprouted CCTV cameras at each end of each car.
Some trains have been hit with graffiti badly, but Wagn appear to clean
it off very quick and CCTV might help stop it becoming as bad as the
trains on Silverlink.

Silverlink 313 have low seats, are dirty and all in all are quite
horrid. Probably not worth spending a penny on them though as they'd be
destroyed in minutes. They've also sprouted more cameras, which means
the old ones possibly never worked? Four cameras per car? Overkill or
what?!

Jonathan

Conductor in Charge of.......... wrote:

> Here's one to get the memories going!
> 
> What is the most unusual place people have seen 313s at? I ask because
> watching a vintage cab ride I saw one on the Royston-Cambridge line
> which is off their beaten track. So anyone seen any where they would
> not expect to?
> 



Seen one racing through Streatham Common station a few years ago, 
definitely a 313, I assume en route to Selhurst for some kind of 
attention. V odd seeing one there!

David

On 24 Aug 2005 09:15:20 -0700, "jonmorris" 
wrote:

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>Silverlink 313 have low seats, are dirty and all in all are quite
>horrid. Probably not worth spending a penny on them though as they'd be
>destroyed in minutes. They've also sprouted more cameras, which means
>the old ones possibly never worked? Four cameras per car? Overkill or
>what?!
>

More likely four camera _positions_ leaving the yobs to guess which
one (if any) actually has the camera although with the technology
dropping in price (e.g. LIDL flogging outdoor wireless colour cameras
with receivers for 40 quid this week) they might splash out and fit
two per train. Presumably there's a cabinet that's been added
somewhere (and possibly observed by a uk.railway intelligence-gatherer
?) to hold the recording equipment.
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yyOn Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:34:02 +0100, Darren 
wrote:


>MIG wrote:
>> Yes, and that's when the most interesting thing a 313 ever did was
>> demolish Walton station.
>
>If only it had done a better job of it.


By wiping itself out at the same time ?
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313s used to have AC duties out of Euston in the small hours of the
morning.

Definitely on Sunday mornings, 04:blurr Euston Bletchley was an AC 313
as I have done one there , and another one back on a different date.

Also on Sundays I too have seen 313s indiacted as Rugby trains *but*
reference to the traffic notice showed a change of train at Bletchley.

313s also worked on Bed-Pan (see previous uk.railway discussion ref 313
Moorgate GN and Moorgate TL) during one of the 317s crises, but I was
not living in Luton at this time and did not have any of these.

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Nick

> 317/3s have gone to Naarich recently, 313s haven't though the IC
> passengers would probably hunt down the One MD if this happened.


Ah! Well, I did see a pair of 313s whizzing through Stratford the other
week on thd fast lines toward London.

> 317/3s have gone to Naarich recently, 313s haven't though the IC
> passengers would probably hunt down the One MD if this happened.


Ah that must've been it! Well, I did see a pair of 313s whizzing
through Stratford the other week on thd fast lines toward London.

Joe Patrick wrote:

> Ah that must've been it! Well, I did see a pair of 313s whizzing
> through Stratford the other week on thd fast lines toward London.


Wasnt a WAGN Livered 315 was it? The West Anglia 315s are based at 
Ilford now

D7666 wrote:


According to the relevant yahoo group, the present timetable starting
13 June has booked 313 to Royston - 17:23/17:53/18:23 ex KGX extended
to Royston instead
of terminating at Letchworth. Reported by the man on site at Royston as
first booked 313 workings to Royston since 08:14 RYS-KGX of the 1992/93
timetable. No idea if there are balancing Up a.m. 313s from Royston,
report did not refer to any nor does any subsequent discussion. Not a
railway I am familiar with so cannot comment.


--
Nick

> Wasnt a WAGN Livered 315 was it? The West Anglia 315s are based at
> Ilford now


I *think* the 1st unit was either in All-white or InterLink livery.
Dont seem to remember the last unit, though they were Def. 313s.

Joe Patrick wrote:

> I *think* the 1st unit was either in All-white or InterLink livery.
> Dont seem to remember the last unit, though they were Def. 313s.


There is a 315 in Intalink livery.....

:-p

The 313 workings to Royston in the evening peak are unusual as they do
not stop at Baldock or Ashwell and Morden, although they do stop almost
everywhere else. I have heard them advertised (ironically?) at Kings
Cross as "calling at Finsbury Park ... Hitchin, Letchworth and then
fast to Royston". AFAIK there are no corresponding morning peak hour
workings - the evening trains run ECS to Letchworth depot. 317s do
occasionally appear, just to add to the variety.

313s did also work West Anglia suburban services in the mid-90s - I
have a photo of one on the Hertford East branch taken in 1994 IIRC.

During the problems with the 321s on Silverlink a couple of years ago,
313s did work as far as MK. They do also, as posted elsewhere, work
into the Euston AC platforms in the late evening - I recall a late
night trip from Hatch End that terminated in platform 16 at Euston.

"DJO"  wrote in message 
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> Conductor in Charge of.......... wrote:
>> Here's one to get the memories going!
>>
>> What is the most unusual place people have seen 313s at? I ask because
>> watching a vintage cab ride I saw one on the Royston-Cambridge line
>> which is off their beaten track. So anyone seen any where they would
>> not expect to?


313003 was used on the Northern lines of the Merseyrail system in 1978 for 
tests prior to the introduction of the 507's later that year.(Even warranted 
a item on the local BBC 'Look North' news one evening).

AJF.

Darren wrote:


> Happens most days now.
> One have something they call the Thunderbird set, which is an 8 car
> setup of 317/3s (this weeks being 317305+317335) which sit at Ipswich in
> the morning peak ready to go into action if a set from Naarich is
> cancelled (they manage at least 1 cancellation and several delayed sets
> every day now)
>
> The 317s then sit at Colchester during the day and usually form a peak
> service back to Ipswich in the evening in place of an IC set. If a
> portable NRN unit can be found the set will go through to Naarich.



Once the mk3's are fully introduced i should hope this sort of thing
never happens. I like class 317's but not for longer than an hour.
Still, they are better than the '321's at least. It's not nice turning
up after paying for a saver ticket expecting a nice spacious IC train
with buffet and getting a suburban train instead.

therunawayminetrain@lycos.co.uk wrote:

> Once the mk3's are fully introduced i should hope this sort of thing
> never happens.


The problems at Naarich in the morning are caused by the layout of the 
depot (Trains have to reverse out, then proceed into forward into 
Naarich station) and the need to get out more IC sets and DMUs than the 
reception road can handle cause the delays.

The best way to solve it would be to cut back some services to start 
from Ipswich using EMUs (as per old TT)

The Silverlink 313's have had cameras for a while, which weren't quite
at the carriage ends (near the doors, with coverage 'crossing' each
other). They were/are in rectangular shoe-box like housings. Maybe they
were real, maybe they weren't?!

It seems ALL the 313's have been in the depot recently for the domed
cameras to be fitted, which may be a lot clearer in definition and
hooked up to better (digital?) recording equipment. I'm sure the old
ones will no longer be in use, as they would pretty much record exactly
the same material - but I guess they will keep people guessing!

I can see a new box of tricks on the 365's too, near First class (but
in the standard class overhead luggage rack). I also noticed tonight
that they cleaned the diffusers and replaced the fluorescent tubes with
the same super-bright ones on the 317/1 refurbs, so I hope this is done
to all of them. It almost looked like a new train, but no cameras
spotted on them as yet.

Jonathan

> According to the relevant yahoo group, the present timetable starting
> 13 June has booked 313 to Royston - 17:23/17:53/18:23 ex KGX
> extended to Royston instead of terminating at Letchworth.


The 18.23 is usually two 317's but is booked to stop at New Barnet (which is 
too short) so amusingly enough an RPI acts as guard in the rear car to stop 
people using the back set of doors. If he's not there, it won't stop at 
Barnet...

The 17.53 is also two 317's (not booked to call at New Barnet though).

The 17.23/18.53 are both two 313's.

Regards,
Dave

> any new rolling stock for a while to come). I've also spotted that in
> recent weeks, they've sprouted CCTV cameras at each end of each car.


Also appear to have front-facing "drivers eye" view cameras too.

D