Can anyone enlighten me as to which diversionary routes GNER drivers
sign? Is there any others apart from Hertford loop?

Conductor in Charge of.......... wrote:

> Can anyone enlighten me as to which diversionary routes GNER drivers
> sign? Is there any others apart from Hertford loop?


Werrington Jct/Gainsborough/Loversall Carr?

Cheers
Robt P.

"Conductor in Charge of.........."  wrote in 
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> Can anyone enlighten me as to which diversionary routes GNER drivers
> sign? Is there any others apart from Hertford loop?


Newcastle-Carlisle-Carstairs Junc-Edinburgh Waverley and back

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Conductor in Charge of.......... wrote:

> Can anyone enlighten me as to which diversionary routes GNER drivers
> sign? Is there any others apart from Hertford loop?


Some must be signed for a diversionary route round Retford as they're 
doing that occasionally on Saturday nights/Sunday mornings.

I don't know the route, but Newark-Boultham-Pyewipe 
Junction-Gainsborough-Doncaster would be a good guess.

>
> Some must be signed for a diversionary route round Retford as they're
> doing that occasionally on Saturday nights/Sunday mornings.
>
> I don't know the route, but Newark-Boultham-Pyewipe
> Junction-Gainsborough-Doncaster would be a good guess.


I wonder how they retain their knowledge on this sort of route, does
not signing a route have some sort of shelf-life.

On 24 Aug 2005 06:05:35 -0700, Robt P wrote in
, seen in
uk.railway:

> Conductor in Charge of.......... wrote:

> > Can anyone enlighten me as to which diversionary routes GNER drivers
> > sign? Is there any others apart from Hertford loop?
> 
> Werrington Jct/Gainsborough/Loversall Carr?


They don't do Werrington Jcn - Pyewipe Jcn, but they _do_ do Newark NG
- Boultham Jcn - Pyewipe Jcn - Decoy N Jcn.

To answer Allan Tracy's question, they seem to come out road
learning/reviewing before any diversions, using an EWS 67.

The guards get to ride our dogboxes instead...
-- 
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Ross wrote:


> On 24 Aug 2005 06:05:35 -0700, Robt P wrote in
> , seen in
> uk.railway:
> > Conductor in Charge of.......... wrote:
>
> > > Can anyone enlighten me as to which diversionary routes GNER drivers
> > > sign? Is there any others apart from Hertford loop?
> >
> > Werrington Jct/Gainsborough/Loversall Carr?
>
> They don't do Werrington Jcn - Pyewipe Jcn, but they _do_ do Newark NG
> - Boultham Jcn - Pyewipe Jcn - Decoy N Jcn.


Which rather begs the question....

When the ECML is closed between Werrington Jct & Newark NG is the
Werrington-Lincoln diversion still used?
Or would ECML traffic begin, and end, at Peterborough & Newark - using
buses between?

Cheers
Robt P.

On 24 Aug 2005 05:31:14 -0700, "Conductor in Charge of.........."
 wrote:


>Can anyone enlighten me as to which diversionary routes GNER drivers
>sign? Is there any others apart from Hertford loop?


What they sign, and what they're permitted to use under their Track
Access Agreement [1] aren't necessarily the same thing ;)

As of the 4th of February 2005, GNER's "main routes" for Track Access
purposes are:

(a) London King’s Cross to Glasgow Central Station via Welwyn, Sandy,
Grantham, Newark, Retford, Doncaster, main line between Templehirst and
Hambleton (Yorks), York, Darlington, Durham, Newcastle, Berwick,
Edinburgh, Carstairs, Motherwell and Uddingston;

(b) Alexandra Palace to Stevenage via Hertford North;

(c) Edinburgh to Inverness via Polmont, Stirling, Perth and Aviemore;

(d) Edinburgh to Aberdeen via Inverkeithing, Leuchars and Dundee;

(e) Doncaster to Hull via Selby or Goole;

(f) Doncaster to Bradford Forster Square via Sandal & Agbrigg, Outwood,
Leeds and Shipley, or via Hambleton South Junction, Hambleton West
Junction, Cross Gates, Leeds and Shipley;

(g) Leeds to Skipton via Keighley and Shipley;

(h) Leeds to Harrogate via Horsforth; and

(i) Leeds to York via Micklefield and Colton Junction.

And the diversionary routes:

(a) via King Edward Bridge East Junction and High Level Bridge as a
diversion through Newcastle;

(b) via Wishaw and Shieldmuir (instead of via Garriongill Junction) as a
diversion between Law Junction and Motherwell;

(c) via Wishaw and Holytown (instead of via Motherwell) as a diversion
between Law Junction and Uddingston;

(d) via Askern, Ferrybridge, Milford, Church Fenton as a diversion
between Doncaster and York (Colton Junction);

(e) via Adwick Junction, Hare Park Junction, Turners Lane Junction,
Normanton, Castleford as a diversion between Doncaster and York;

(f) via Crofton, Oakenshaw Junction, Wakefield Kirkgate as a diversion
between Doncaster and Wakefield;

(g) via Calder Bridge Junction, Turners Lane Junction, Normanton,
Woodlesford as a diversion between Doncaster and Leeds;

(h) via Askern, Knottingley, Pontefract, Crofton, Oakenshaw Junction,
Wakefield Kirkgate as a diversion between Doncaster and Wakefield
Westgate;

(i) via Hambleton West Junction, Sherburn, Church Fenton as a diversion
between Hambleton South Junction and York (Colton Junction);

(j) via Selby, Hambleton East Junction, as a diversion between Doncaster
and York (Colton Junction);

(k) via Bedlington and Hepscott Junction, as a diversion between
Newcastle and Pegswood;

(l) via Niddrie West Junction, Craiglochart Junction, Gorgie Junction as
a diversion between Edinburgh and Haymarket/Polmont/Dalmeny;

(m) via Niddrie West Junction, Craiglochart Junction, as a diversion
between Edinburgh and Slateford;

(n) via Turners Lane as a diversion through Wakefield;

(o) via Niddrie South, Niddrie North as a diversion between Monktonhall
Junction, and Portobello Junction;

(p) the Main Route via Leeds as a diversion between Doncaster and York;

(q) via York yards as a diversion between Holgate Junction and Skelton
Bridge;

(r) via Wishaw, Holytown, Motherwell, Hamilton as a diversion between
Law Junction and Newton;

(s) via Cathcart East and North Junctions, Eglington Street Junction as
a diversion between Newton and Eglington Street Junction;

(t) via Cathcart East and West Junctions, Muirhouse Centre and North
Junctions as a diversion between Newton and Eglington Street Junction;

(u) via Larkfield Junction and Shields Junction as a diversion on the
approach to Glasgow Central Station (from the East);

(v) via Freight Terminal Junction or Euston and Carstairs using
electrified routes via Rugby and Crewe including alternatives via
Northampton, or Coventry and Wolverhampton;

(w) via Cambridge, Ely and March as a diversion between Hitchin and
Peterborough;

(x) via Werrington Junction, Spalding, Sleaford, Lincoln, Gainsborough
Lea Road, Finningley, Black Carr Junction as a diversion between
Peterborough and Doncaster;

(y) via Yarm, Eaglescliffe and Stillington as a diversion between
Northallerton and Durham;

(z) via Darlington, Dinsdale, Eaglescliffe, Stillington as a diversion
between Darlington and Durham;

(aa) via Yarm, Eaglescliffe, Hartlepool and Sunderland as a diversion
between Northallerton and Newcastle;

(bb) via Darlington, Dinsdale, Eaglescliffe, Hartlepool, Sunderland as a
diversion between Northallerton and Newcastle;

(cc) via Hexham, Carlisle, Lockerbie as a diversion between Newcastle
and Edinburgh/Glasgow;

(dd) via Winchburgh Junction (instead of via South Gyle) as a diversion
between Edinburgh and Inverkeithing;

(ee) via Midcalder Junction, Shotts, Holytown, Uddingston as a diversion
between Edinburgh and Glasgow;

(ff) via Newburgh and Perth as a diversion between Edinburgh and Dundee;

(gg) via Dundee, Invergowrie, Perth as a diversion between Edinburgh and
Perth;

(hh) via Dundee, Aberdeen, Elgin as a diversion between Perth and
Inverness;

(ii) via Loughborough as a diversion between Peterborough and Doncaster;

(jj) via Leeds and Carlisle as a diversion between Doncaster and
Carstairs;

(kk) via Cumbernauld as a diversion between Edinburgh and Larbert;

(ll) via Newburgh as a diversion between Edinburgh and Perth;

(mm) via Leeds and Harrogate as a diversion between Doncaster and York;

(nn) via Harrogate as a diversion between Leeds and York;

(oo) via Selby as a diversion between Hull and Leeds;

(pp) via Chesterfield and Leicester as a diversion between
Doncaster/Leeds and London (St. Pancras);

(qq) via Dunfermline and Cowdenbeath as a diversion between
Inverkeithing and Leuchars Junction;

(rr) via Falkirk High and Greenhill as a diversion between Polmont and
Larbert;

(ss) via Mossend and Whifflet as a diversion between Motherwell and
Rutherglen;

(tt) via Selby Canal as a diversion between Hambleton North Junction and
Templehirst Junction;

(uu) via Stainforth (reverse) as a diversion between Doncaster and Joan
Croft Junction and Adwick Junction;

(vv) via Shaftholme, Knottingley, Whitwood, Woodlesford as a diversion
between Doncaster and Leeds;

(ww) via Ely, Cambridge, Harlow, Stratford and Canonbury Junction as a
diversion between Peterborough and reverse at Finsbury Park;

(xx) via Ely, Cambridge, Harlow, Stratford and Camden Road Junction
(reverse) as a diversion between Peterborough and reverse at Freight
Terminal Junction;

(yy) via Nottingham and Sheffield as a diversion between Grantham and
Doncaster;

(zz) via Swinderby, Lincoln (Pyewipe Junction), Gainsborough Lea Road,
Finningley and Black Carr Junction, as a diversion between Newark
Northgate and Doncaster;

(aaa) via Sheffield (reverse) as a diversion between Retford and
Doncaster;

(bbb) via Falkirk as a diversion between Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow
Queen Street; and

(ccc) via Ely, Cambridge, Harlow and Bethnal Green as a diversion
between Peterborough and London (Liverpool Street).

HTH,

Barry

[1] Which are available in the Licensing & Access / Track Access section
of the Office of Rail Regulation website, specifically at:
<http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.00100b002001008>
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On 24/08/2005 21:01, Conductor in Charge of.......... wrote:

> This is why I asked, having watched the Kings Cross-Newcastle DVD
> mentioned in another thread I noticed a lot of possible diversionary
> routes, and wondered if GNER signed them or had EWS pilots.


The last down service from KGS to LDS *was*[1] always booked via the 
Hertford loop for this reason.

[1] - I haven't had to take that service or been lucky enough to been at 
one of the loop stations at that time of night for a while now. There 
also used to be a bit more fright activity on the loop after about 23:00.

The loop dose add about 20/25mins to a trip though. IIRC the max speed 
is something like 75 (Enfield Chase) and there is a couple of *very* 
long blocks once you get north and into Cuffley land...




[m33p]

On 1 Sep 2005 04:08:25 -0700, Robt P wrote in
, seen in
uk.railway:

> Ross wrote:
> > On 24 Aug 2005 06:05:35 -0700, Robt P wrote in
> > , seen in
> > uk.railway:
> > > Conductor in Charge of.......... wrote:
> >
> > > > Can anyone enlighten me as to which diversionary routes GNER drivers
> > > > sign? Is there any others apart from Hertford loop?
> > >
> > > Werrington Jct/Gainsborough/Loversall Carr?
> >
> > They don't do Werrington Jcn - Pyewipe Jcn, but they _do_ do Newark NG
> > - Boultham Jcn - Pyewipe Jcn - Decoy N Jcn.
> 
> Which rather begs the question....
> 
> When the ECML is closed between Werrington Jct & Newark NG is the
> Werrington-Lincoln diversion still used?
> Or would ECML traffic begin, and end, at Peterborough & Newark - using
> buses between?


Given that Spalding - Sleaford is single shift (roughly 0900 - 1700
Mon-Sat), and nobody seems interested in opening the line beyond those
hours, I suspect that it would be buses between Peterborough and
Newark rather than diversions.

-- 
Ross, Lincoln, UK

We're *not* afraid
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