No preference on whether 2004 or 2005.

The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the above (I
can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti virus, and a
firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only talking a FEW years ago
too!!)

Amazon is looking to be the cheapest so far 31.97 inc VAT & [free] P&P.

Can anyone beat this?

p.s I don't want to start a debate on whether Zonealarm or [insert random
s/w name here] is better than Norton. She's getting Norton, nuff said! :-)
--
Neil

Neil Monk wrote:

> No preference on whether 2004 or 2005.
>
> The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the
> above (I can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti
> virus, and a firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only
> talking a FEW years ago too!!)
>
> Amazon is looking to be the cheapest so far 31.97 inc VAT & [free]
> P&P.
>
> Can anyone beat this?
>
> p.s I don't want to start a debate on whether Zonealarm or [insert
> random s/w name here] is better than Norton. She's getting Norton,
> nuff said! :-)


Sorry, I'm forgetting my manners;

"Thanks in advance for your help!"
--
Neil

"Neil Monk"  wrote in message 
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> Neil Monk wrote:
>> No preference on whether 2004 or 2005.
>>
>> The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the
>> above (I can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti
>> virus, and a firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only
>> talking a FEW years ago too!!)
>>
>> Amazon is looking to be the cheapest so far 31.97 inc VAT & [free]
>> P&P.


19.92 for OEM version.  Don't know if that includes P&P or not.

http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=SWN-ISEC05O&af=50

Dave

Dave {} wrote:

> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
> news:iNoOe.11644$5m3.9417@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Neil Monk wrote:
>>> No preference on whether 2004 or 2005.
>>>
>>> The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the
>>> above (I can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti
>>> virus, and a firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only
>>> talking a FEW years ago too!!)
>>>
>>> Amazon is looking to be the cheapest so far 31.97 inc VAT & [free]
>>> P&P.
>
> 19.92 for OEM version.  Don't know if that includes P&P or not.
>
> http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=SWN-ISEC05O&af=50
>
> Dave


My god! THEY'RE still going?

Had a VERY bad experience with them a few years ago. Basically, they quoted
me one price of a HDD, charged my CC for a totally different price, phone
up, promised a refund of the difference, didn't get it, phone up, promised
refund, didn't get it (this went on for MONTHS), phoned up, guy who promised
me refund had been sacked (says a lot), the sales manager, "Gerry" didn't
want to know, neither did my credit card company (Halifax btw - shittest
bank I've ever used FWIW).

BUT - I'll bear them in mind, thanks for that.

Because its OEM, do I need to buy a component as well as the software?
--
Neil

"Neil Monk"  wrote in message 
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> Dave {} wrote:
>> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>> news:iNoOe.11644$5m3.9417@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Neil Monk wrote:
>>>> No preference on whether 2004 or 2005.
>>>>
>>>> The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the
>>>> above (I can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti
>>>> virus, and a firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only
>>>> talking a FEW years ago too!!)
>>>>
>>>> Amazon is looking to be the cheapest so far 31.97 inc VAT & [free]
>>>> P&P.
>>
>> 19.92 for OEM version.  Don't know if that includes P&P or not.
>>
>> http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=SWN-ISEC05O&af=50
>>
>> Dave
>
> My god! THEY'RE still going?
>
> Had a VERY bad experience with them a few years ago. Basically, they 
> quoted
> me one price of a HDD, charged my CC for a totally different price, phone
> up, promised a refund of the difference, didn't get it, phone up, promised
> refund, didn't get it (this went on for MONTHS), phoned up, guy who 
> promised
> me refund had been sacked (says a lot), the sales manager, "Gerry" didn't
> want to know, neither did my credit card company (Halifax btw - shittest
> bank I've ever used FWIW).
>
> BUT - I'll bear them in mind, thanks for that.


They had a poor reputation, also seem to remember their website was very 
black, looks a lot more professional now, wonder if their service has 
improved?

me wrote:

> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
> news:91pOe.11649$5m3.8616@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Dave {} wrote:
>>> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>>> news:iNoOe.11644$5m3.9417@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> Neil Monk wrote:
>>>>> No preference on whether 2004 or 2005.
>>>>>
>>>>> The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the
>>>>> above (I can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti
>>>>> virus, and a firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only
>>>>> talking a FEW years ago too!!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Amazon is looking to be the cheapest so far 31.97 inc VAT &
>>>>> [free] P&P.
>>>
>>> 19.92 for OEM version.  Don't know if that includes P&P or not.
>>>
>>> http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=SWN-ISEC05O&af=50
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> My god! THEY'RE still going?
>>
>> Had a VERY bad experience with them a few years ago. Basically, they
>> quoted
>> me one price of a HDD, charged my CC for a totally different price,
>> phone up, promised a refund of the difference, didn't get it, phone
>> up, promised refund, didn't get it (this went on for MONTHS), phoned
>> up, guy who promised
>> me refund had been sacked (says a lot), the sales manager, "Gerry"
>> didn't want to know, neither did my credit card company (Halifax btw
>> - shittest bank I've ever used FWIW).
>>
>> BUT - I'll bear them in mind, thanks for that.
>
> They had a poor reputation, also seem to remember their website was
> very black, looks a lot more professional now, wonder if their
> service has improved?


Yea, I remember their crappy webshite too. The Java on there that never
worked etc etc...
--
Neil

Neil Monk wrote:

> me wrote:
>> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>> news:91pOe.11649$5m3.8616@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Dave {} wrote:
>>>> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>>>> news:iNoOe.11644$5m3.9417@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>> Neil Monk wrote:
>>>>>> No preference on whether 2004 or 2005.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the
>>>>>> above (I can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti
>>>>>> virus, and a firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only
>>>>>> talking a FEW years ago too!!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amazon is looking to be the cheapest so far 31.97 inc VAT &
>>>>>> [free] P&P.
>>>>
>>>> 19.92 for OEM version.  Don't know if that includes P&P or not.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=SWN-ISEC05O&af=50
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> My god! THEY'RE still going?
>>>
>>> Had a VERY bad experience with them a few years ago. Basically, they
>>> quoted
>>> me one price of a HDD, charged my CC for a totally different price,
>>> phone up, promised a refund of the difference, didn't get it, phone
>>> up, promised refund, didn't get it (this went on for MONTHS), phoned
>>> up, guy who promised
>>> me refund had been sacked (says a lot), the sales manager, "Gerry"
>>> didn't want to know, neither did my credit card company (Halifax btw
>>> - shittest bank I've ever used FWIW).
>>>
>>> BUT - I'll bear them in mind, thanks for that.
>>
>> They had a poor reputation, also seem to remember their website was
>> very black, looks a lot more professional now, wonder if their
>> service has improved?
>
> Yea, I remember their crappy webshite too. The Java on there that
> never worked etc etc...


I should also add that my message "My god! THEY'RE still going?" was not
sarcasm as such, I was truely amazed. I had to pick myself up from the
floor, I fell off my seat! :-P
--
Neil

"Neil Monk"  wrote in message 
news:91pOe.11649$5m3.8616@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Dave {} wrote:
>> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>> news:iNoOe.11644$5m3.9417@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Neil Monk wrote:
>>>> No preference on whether 2004 or 2005.
>>>>
>>>> The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the
>>>> above (I can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti
>>>> virus, and a firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only
>>>> talking a FEW years ago too!!)
>>>>
>>>> Amazon is looking to be the cheapest so far 31.97 inc VAT & [free]
>>>> P&P.
>>
>> 19.92 for OEM version.  Don't know if that includes P&P or not.
>>
>> http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=SWN-ISEC05O&af=50
>>
>> Dave
>
> My god! THEY'RE still going?


Looks that way.


> Because its OEM, do I need to buy a component as well as the software?


Don't think so, but you will have to check.

By the way I found this price using Froogle, there are lots of similar prices to Eclipse.  Take a 
look here:

http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=Norton+internet+security&btnG=Search+Froogle&scoring=p&sa=N&start=20

Dave

"Neil Monk"  wrote in message 
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>
> p.s I don't want to start a debate on whether Zonealarm or [insert random
> s/w name here] is better than Norton. She's getting Norton, nuff said! :-)


If i see a man determined to throw himself off a bridge, i feel obliged to 
interfere. If your GF has 256mb or less of memory on her computer, 
installing NIS will cripple her PC and make it painfully slow. If you are 
determined to buy NIS, which it seems you are, factor in an extra 256mb of 
memory (about 20) into the price.

Gaz


> --
> Neil
>
> 

Gaz wrote:

> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
> news:lMoOe.11643$5m3.3034@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>
>> p.s I don't want to start a debate on whether Zonealarm or [insert
>> random s/w name here] is better than Norton. She's getting Norton,
>> nuff said! :-)
>
> If i see a man determined to throw himself off a bridge, i feel
> obliged to interfere. If your GF has 256mb or less of memory on her
> computer, installing NIS will cripple her PC and make it painfully
> slow. If you are determined to buy NIS, which it seems you are,
> factor in an extra 256mb of memory (about 20) into the price.
>
> Gaz
>
>> --
>> Neil


I've run NIS on 128 RAM before (1700+ Athlon XP if you're interested, so I'm
greatful for your comments (I really am), BUT, I've never experienced any
performance issues with it.
--
Neil

"Neil Monk"  wrote in message 
news:NypOe.11790$5m3.2052@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Gaz wrote:
>> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>> news:lMoOe.11643$5m3.3034@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>>>
>>> p.s I don't want to start a debate on whether Zonealarm or [insert
>>> random s/w name here] is better than Norton. She's getting Norton,
>>> nuff said! :-)
>>
>> If i see a man determined to throw himself off a bridge, i feel
>> obliged to interfere. If your GF has 256mb or less of memory on her
>> computer, installing NIS will cripple her PC and make it painfully
>> slow. If you are determined to buy NIS, which it seems you are,
>> factor in an extra 256mb of memory (about 20) into the price.
>>
>> Gaz
>>
>>> --
>>> Neil
>
> I've run NIS on 128 RAM before (1700+ Athlon XP if you're interested, so 
> I'm
> greatful for your comments (I really am), BUT, I've never experienced any
> performance issues with it.
> --
> Neil


I must presume you are using a 9x version of windows then, maybe win98 or 
winme.

Gaz

Gaz wrote:

> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
> news:NypOe.11790$5m3.2052@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Gaz wrote:
>>> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>>> news:lMoOe.11643$5m3.3034@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> p.s I don't want to start a debate on whether Zonealarm or [insert
>>>> random s/w name here] is better than Norton. She's getting Norton,
>>>> nuff said! :-)
>>>
>>> If i see a man determined to throw himself off a bridge, i feel
>>> obliged to interfere. If your GF has 256mb or less of memory on her
>>> computer, installing NIS will cripple her PC and make it painfully
>>> slow. If you are determined to buy NIS, which it seems you are,
>>> factor in an extra 256mb of memory (about 20) into the price.
>>>
>>> Gaz
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Neil
>>
>> I've run NIS on 128 RAM before (1700+ Athlon XP if you're
>> interested, so I'm
>> greatful for your comments (I really am), BUT, I've never
>> experienced any performance issues with it.
>> --
>> Neil
>
> I must presume you are using a 9x version of windows then, maybe
> win98 or winme.
>
> Gaz

XP Pro, but used it on 98SE with 128 RAM (PC133) as well as on XP Pro with
128 Ram (PC2700) I'm now using 768 RAM, PC3200 FWIW.

HTH's
--
Neil

"Neil Monk"  wrote in message 
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> Gaz wrote:
>> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>> news:NypOe.11790$5m3.2052@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Gaz wrote:
>>>> "Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>>>> news:lMoOe.11643$5m3.3034@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s I don't want to start a debate on whether Zonealarm or [insert
>>>>> random s/w name here] is better than Norton. She's getting Norton,
>>>>> nuff said! :-)
>>>>
>>>> If i see a man determined to throw himself off a bridge, i feel
>>>> obliged to interfere. If your GF has 256mb or less of memory on her
>>>> computer, installing NIS will cripple her PC and make it painfully
>>>> slow. If you are determined to buy NIS, which it seems you are,
>>>> factor in an extra 256mb of memory (about 20) into the price.
>>>>
>>>> Gaz
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Neil
>>>
>>> I've run NIS on 128 RAM before (1700+ Athlon XP if you're
>>> interested, so I'm
>>> greatful for your comments (I really am), BUT, I've never
>>> experienced any performance issues with it.
>>> --
>>> Neil
>>
>> I must presume you are using a 9x version of windows then, maybe
>> win98 or winme.
>>
>> Gaz
> XP Pro, but used it on 98SE with 128 RAM (PC133) as well as on XP Pro with
> 128 Ram (PC2700) I'm now using 768 RAM, PC3200 FWIW.


XP does not work properly on 128mb of memory, unless you are a very keen and 
skilled optomiser.  XP + NIS on 128mb machine would be intolerably slow.

My experience, and I have a lot.

XP on 128, if you turn off all the fancy graphical features is usable, as 
long as no other software is starting up, and you dont try to run more then 
one programme at once.
XP on 256 works very well, with all the graphical features, as long as the 
startup programmes are periodically culled. With NIS, however, it becomes 
much slower, loosing about 70% of the system speed.
XP on 512, how windows is suppose to be, works very well, the awful 
bloatness that is NIS, is fairly managable with 512.


Gaz


> HTH's
> --
> Neil
>
> 

Neil Monk wrote:

> Gaz wrote:
> 
>>"Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>>news:NypOe.11790$5m3.2052@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>>>Gaz wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Neil Monk"  wrote in message
>>>>news:lMoOe.11643$5m3.3034@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>p.s I don't want to start a debate on whether Zonealarm or [insert
>>>>>random s/w name here] is better than Norton. She's getting Norton,
>>>>>nuff said! :-)
>>>>
>>>>If i see a man determined to throw himself off a bridge, i feel
>>>>obliged to interfere. If your GF has 256mb or less of memory on her
>>>>computer, installing NIS will cripple her PC and make it painfully
>>>>slow. If you are determined to buy NIS, which it seems you are,
>>>>factor in an extra 256mb of memory (about 20) into the price.
>>>>
>>>>Gaz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Neil
>>>
>>>I've run NIS on 128 RAM before (1700+ Athlon XP if you're
>>>interested, so I'm
>>>greatful for your comments (I really am), BUT, I've never
>>>experienced any performance issues with it.
>>>--
>>>Neil
>>
>>I must presume you are using a 9x version of windows then, maybe
>>win98 or winme.
>>
>>Gaz
> 
> XP Pro, but used it on 98SE with 128 RAM (PC133) as well as on XP Pro with
> 128 Ram (PC2700) I'm now using 768 RAM, PC3200 FWIW.
> 
> HTH's
> --
> Neil
> 
> 

Xp pro on 128mb ram, now that is painful - even without Norton.

Neil Monk submitted this idea :

> The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the above (I
> can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti virus, and a
> firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only talking a FEW years ago
> too!!)


Much better would be a hardware firewall inside the router.

-- 

Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

> p.s I don't want to start a debate on whether Zonealarm or [insert random
> s/w name here] is better than Norton. She's getting Norton, nuff said! :-)


I take it you`re ditching her soon then ?

At least do her a favour and lock down some of the bits Nortons misses, 
like Spywareblaster, install Firefox, use something other than lookOut 
dEpress.

For the record, recently i`ve been involved in trying to recover two 
systems that relied on Norton - one had a fully up to date NIS, the 
other just the AV side.

Both were infested with trojans (in one case their ISP rang up to tell 
them to sort it out, the conversation went like this - "but i`ve got an 
antivirus" - ISP tech says "let me guess, Nortons...")

The one with NIS installed had one active virus in memory, and other 
inactive one lurking on the HD - in a directory with a bunch of other 
suspicious files - they must have been on rapid rotation, downloading 
newer variants of themselves as they became available).

I`ve got some anti-spyware tips on my site, it might be worth 
bookmarking it now, and downloading a copy of Sysclean (linked from the 
bottom of the second page) to try to get her out of the shit in a week 
or two's time.

http://www.coreutilities.co.uk

"Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.1d746e3c582d113d98b0f5@news.individual.net...

> In article , "Harry
> Bloomfield" harry.m1bytNOSPAM@tiscali.co.uk says...
>> Neil Monk submitted this idea :
>> > The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the above 
>> > (I
>> > can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti virus, and a
>> > firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only talking a FEW years 
>> > ago
>> > too!!)
>>
>> Much better would be a hardware firewall inside the router.
>>
> Why do you think that would be better?  Tell us how a hardware
> firewall will stop malware from connecting out from a PC to infect
> other machines, or to send your passwords and bank details to someone
> in Romania.


If your system has a malware infection then you can't trust any software 
running on it and that includes your security software and personal 
firewalls.

A separate firewall adds more chances to stop the malware from succeeding.

In article , 
harry.m1bytNOSPAM@tiscali.co.uk says...

> Rob Morley expressed precisely :
> >> Much better would be a hardware firewall inside the router.
> >>  
> > Why do you think that would be better?  Tell us how a hardware
> > firewall will stop malware from connecting out from a PC to infect
> > other machines, or to send your passwords and bank details to someone
> > in Romania.
> 
> It wouldn't, but then nor would a software firewall.


You reckon?

In article , 
gavin@mindless.com says...

> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:13:20 +0100, Rob Morley 
> wrote:
> 
> >In article , "Harry 
> >Bloomfield" harry.m1bytNOSPAM@tiscali.co.uk says...
> >> Neil Monk submitted this idea :
> >> > The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the above (I
> >> > can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti virus, and a
> >> > firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only talking a FEW years ago
> >> > too!!)
> >> 
> >> Much better would be a hardware firewall inside the router.
> >> 
> >Why do you think that would be better?  Tell us how a hardware 
> >firewall will stop malware from connecting out from a PC to infect 
> >other machines, or to send your passwords and bank details to someone 
> >in Romania.
> 
> 
> it won't but thats not the job of a firewall.  A firewall stops
> unauthorised connections  both in and out.  It cannot tell if the
> malware getting out is legit or not.
> 

It can tell if you've allowed it to connect out or not - it's up to you 
to decide whether it's legitimate.  Of course if you don't run a 
software firewall then you'll probably never know what software connects 
out.

In article <zGMOe.95041$G8.90715@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net says...

> 
> "Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.1d746e3c582d113d98b0f5@news.individual.net...
> > In article , "Harry
> > Bloomfield" harry.m1bytNOSPAM@tiscali.co.uk says...
> >> Neil Monk submitted this idea :
> >> > The g/f is getting  broadband installed, so she'll be needing the above 
> >> > (I
> >> > can remember, bsck in the day when you didn't need anti virus, and a
> >> > firewall was unheard of to consumers, and I'm only talking a FEW years 
> >> > ago
> >> > too!!)
> >>
> >> Much better would be a hardware firewall inside the router.
> >>
> > Why do you think that would be better?  Tell us how a hardware
> > firewall will stop malware from connecting out from a PC to infect
> > other machines, or to send your passwords and bank details to someone
> > in Romania.
> 
> If your system has a malware infection then you can't trust any software 
> running on it and that includes your security software and personal 
> firewalls.
> 
> A separate firewall adds more chances to stop the malware from succeeding. 
> 

What about a new trojan that doesn't get detected by your AV/anti-
spyware software, or a worm that exploits an undisclosed vulnerability?  
That doesn't trigger any alarms, but could be covertly logging your 
passwords and sending them home - a software firewall stands a good 
chance of stopping it.