Alert: Cancer-causing food dye
More than 147 products are added to the list in the biggest crisis to hit
the food industry since BSE. The alert has now spread to 15 countries across
two continents.

Now 575 products listed....at http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

I bet theres plenty more to come! I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....

Following up to "oO
" <Oo_2003(remove2reply)@aol.com> 


> I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
>all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....


the Worcester sauce thing is a red herring, its a red dye
associated with ground chilli or something. Last time I looked
Lea and Perins wasnt on the list, but a small company importing
chilli powder has gone into liquidation.
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The Reids (dontuse@fell-walker.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :


>> I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
>> all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....

> the Worcester sauce thing is a red herring, its a red dye
> associated with ground chilli or something. Last time I looked
> Lea and Perins wasnt on the list, but a small company importing
> chilli powder has gone into liquidation.


Worcester Sauce isn't a red herring - AIUI, it's precisely how the chili 
got into all these chavmeals.

The problem is that Worcester Sauce - even the industrial "Premier" 
Foods/Crosse & Blackwell stuff has to ferment for a year or so.

http://www.premierfoods.co.uk/news/press/worcester-sauce.cfm

It's probably in the ingredients as an anonymous "flavouring".

"The Reids"  wrote in message
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> Following up to "oO
> " <Oo_2003(remove2reply)@aol.com>
>
> > I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
> >all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....
>
> the Worcester sauce thing is a red herring, its a red dye
> associated with ground chilli or something. Last time I looked
> Lea and Perins wasnt on the list, but a small company importing
> chilli powder has gone into liquidation.


I gather the Worcestershire sauce in question was not the real Lea and
Perrins but an imitation made by Cross and Blackwell for use in fast food
and easy meals mostly.


--

Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

In message , The Reids 
 writes

>Following up to "oO
>
>> I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
>>all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....
>
>the Worcester sauce thing is a red herring, its a red dye
>associated with ground chilli or something. Last time I looked
>Lea and Perins wasnt on the list, but a small company importing
>chilli powder has gone into liquidation.


Quick before they get sued!
Chilli powder isn't supposed to be dyed red to make it look fresher, but 
the processors test for all the normal adulterants.  Not including Sudan 
1 apparently.

Why's the Real Ale group getting this - oh, look - there's the pub menu 
in the last update.  Wetherspoons chili, W&D burgundy beef, Jugg 
Foods... why's there only one Brake Bros item?

I think I'll eat before I go to the pub!

-- 
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Sue wrote:

> In message , The Reids 
>  writes
> 
>> Following up to "oO
>>
>>> I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
>>> all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....
>>
>>
>> the Worcester sauce thing is a red herring, its a red dye
>> associated with ground chilli or something. Last time I looked
>> Lea and Perins wasnt on the list, but a small company importing
>> chilli powder has gone into liquidation.
> 
> 
> Quick before they get sued!
> Chilli powder isn't supposed to be dyed red to make it look fresher, but 
> the processors test for all the normal adulterants.  Not including Sudan 
> 1 apparently.
> 
> Why's the Real Ale group getting this - oh, look - there's the pub menu 
> in the last update.  Wetherspoons chili, W&D burgundy beef, Jugg 
> Foods... why's there only one Brake Bros item?
> 
> I think I'll eat before I go to the pub!
> 

He! He! This gets better an better

"Sue" <Sue@blackhole.invalid> wrote in message
news:Ny9KXdBDA5HCFwZD@mashtub.demon.co.uk...

> In message , The Reids
>  writes
> >Following up to "oO
> >
> >> I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
> >>all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....
> >
> >the Worcester sauce thing is a red herring, its a red dye
> >associated with ground chilli or something. Last time I looked
> >Lea and Perins wasnt on the list, but a small company importing
> >chilli powder has gone into liquidation.
>
> Quick before they get sued!
> Chilli powder isn't supposed to be dyed red to make it look fresher, but
> the processors test for all the normal adulterants.  Not including Sudan
> 1 apparently.


Some dodgy Indian companies use Sudan 1 to make their shady chilli powder
look red. I'm actually amazed the newspapers etc haven't really mentioned
this, they've made it look like it was accidentally contaminated.

I bought some Lea and Perrins Worchestershire Sauce yesterday, tastes good.

"Adrian"  wrote in message
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> The Reids (dontuse@fell-walker.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
like
> they were saying :
>
> >> I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
> >> all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....
>
> > the Worcester sauce thing is a red herring, its a red dye
> > associated with ground chilli or something. Last time I looked
> > Lea and Perins wasnt on the list, but a small company importing
> > chilli powder has gone into liquidation.
>
> Worcester Sauce isn't a red herring - AIUI, it's precisely how the
chili
> got into all these chavmeals.
>
> The problem is that Worcester Sauce - even the industrial "Premier"
> Foods/Crosse & Blackwell stuff has to ferment for a year or so.
>
> http://www.premierfoods.co.uk/news/press/worcester-sauce.cfm
>
> It's probably in the ingredients as an anonymous "flavouring".


Maybe it's the branding that is causing the confusion.  When I think of
Worcester Sauce I think of Lea and Perrins.  Their sauce is not affected.
http://www.leaperrins.com/alert_uk.php

"Cullen Skink"  wrote in message
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> "Adrian"  wrote in message
> news:Xns9608BEE79A977adrianachapmanfreeis@130.133.1.4...
> > The Reids (dontuse@fell-walker.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like
> > they were saying :
> >
> > >> I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
> > >> all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....
> >
> > > the Worcester sauce thing is a red herring, its a red dye
> > > associated with ground chilli or something. Last time I looked
> > > Lea and Perins wasnt on the list, but a small company importing
> > > chilli powder has gone into liquidation.
> >
> > Worcester Sauce isn't a red herring - AIUI, it's precisely how the
> chili
> > got into all these chavmeals.
> >
> > The problem is that Worcester Sauce - even the industrial "Premier"
> > Foods/Crosse & Blackwell stuff has to ferment for a year or so.
> >
> > http://www.premierfoods.co.uk/news/press/worcester-sauce.cfm
> >
> > It's probably in the ingredients as an anonymous "flavouring".
>
> Maybe it's the branding that is causing the confusion.  When I think of
> Worcester Sauce I think of Lea and Perrins.  Their sauce is not affected.
> http://www.leaperrins.com/alert_uk.php
>
>

You're confused. When you think of "Worcester" (sic) sauce you are probably
thinking of some industrial-grade chemical-laced imitation product that's
only fit for building into ready meals, e.g. the Crosse and Blackwell
"Genuine" Worcester Sauce. Probably used in things such as Walkers
"Worcester Sauce (sic) flavoured" crisps.

There is another product, Lea and Perrins "WorcesterSHIRE Sauce", which is
the real product. Go into most supermarkets looking for WorcesterSHIRE sauce
and you'll probably only find that one excellent product on the shelves. Go
ahead and buy it because it's not affected by the current problem with
IMITATION "Worcester (sic)" sauce. If, on the other hand, you go into an
"independent" food shop, I suppose you might find the IMITATATION "Worcester
(sic)" sauce on sale. In that case, Avoid!!!

A few years ago you could buy ISTR Smiths WorcesterSHIRE sauce crisps, and
they proudly displayed a proper orange L&P bottle on the bag. Sadly a thing
of the past now, with only Walkers "Worcester (sic) sauce" "flavour" crisps
now available it seems. Pah!

The news reports have done a DISGRACEFUL job of not pointing out that L&P
(my essential ingredient in lots of recipes) is not affected.

One word of warning, and slapped wrists for the L&P company - I see that
their "tomatoey" sauce is called "Lea and Perrins Tomato & Worcester (sic)
Table Sauce". They should be a kicking themselves now. Maybe not quite
enough room on the label to fit on the proper word "Worcestershire". Or,
Heaven forbid, maybe they make it with IMITATION "Worcester (sic)" sauce
from another supplier. Hopefully not!

.... and relax.

Regards,
Simon.

Simon Stroud (simon.stroud@btoutternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much 
like they were saying :


> The news reports have done a DISGRACEFUL job of not pointing out that L&P
> (my essential ingredient in lots of recipes) is not affected.


One of the TV news packages had a director of L&P interviewed stating 
clearly that it was clean.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:55:39 -0000, "oO
" <Oo_2003(remove2reply)@aol.com> wrote:

| Alert: Cancer-causing food dye
| More than 147 products are added to the list in the biggest crisis to hit
| the food industry since BSE. The alert has now spread to 15 countries across
| two continents.
| 
| Now 575 products listed....at http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
| 
| I bet theres plenty more to come! I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
| all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....

There is usually an ingredient "spices" or something like that, which may
cover a multitude of sins.

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:52:19 +0000, Sue <Sue@blackhole.invalid> wrote:


| Why's the Real Ale group getting this - oh, look - there's the pub menu 
| in the last update.  Wetherspoons chili, W&D burgundy beef, Jugg 
| Foods... why's there only one Brake Bros item?

Not that I drink Real Ale anything.   But don't I remember something about
"Bloody Mary?"    Make sure it is not Cross and Blackwells Worcester Sauce.

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Salut/Hi Adrian, 

 le/on 25 Feb 2005 18:45:59 GMT, tu disais/you said:-



>The problem is that Worcester Sauce - even the industrial "Premier" 
>Foods/Crosse & Blackwell stuff has to ferment for a year or so.
>
>http://www.premierfoods.co.uk/news/press/worcester-sauce.cfm
>
>It's probably in the ingredients as an anonymous "flavouring".


Sigh. Sudan1 is a colorant, it won't be put in as a flavouring. Also, iirc
substances added at less than 0.1% don't have to be listed in the
ingredients list.

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In article <cvo5du$bb4$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, neutron <neutron(not
real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote:


> I bought some Lea and Perrins Worchestershire Sauce yesterday, tastes
> good.


Try Hendersons Relish - it tastes better.
(Almost a closely guarded Sheffield secret - but they have a web site)

-- 
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:55:28 +0000 (GMT), Steven Pampling
 wrote:

| In article <cvo5du$bb4$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, neutron <neutron(not
| real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote:
| 
| > I bought some Lea and Perrins Worchestershire Sauce yesterday, tastes
| > good.
| 
| Try Hendersons Relish - it tastes better.
| (Almost a closely guarded Sheffield secret - but they have a web site)

Not really a secret, all these things are brewed for a while which adds
glutamates, which are great flavour enhancers.   The Romans knew it, they
had Garam (fish sauce) also  Thai fish sauce, soy sauce, oyster sauce, an
those are only the ones which spring to mind.

Ob beer.   Anyone tried Bloody Mary with Thai Fish sauce?
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:55:28 +0000 (GMT), Steven Pampling
 wrote:


>In article <cvo5du$bb4$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, neutron <neutron(not
>real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I bought some Lea and Perrins Worchestershire Sauce yesterday, tastes
>> good.
>
>Try Hendersons Relish - it tastes better.
>(Almost a closely guarded Sheffield secret - but they have a web site)


You beat me to it, Steven :-)


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mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

Following up to Adrian 


>The problem is that Worcester Sauce - even the industrial "Premier" 
>Foods/Crosse & Blackwell stuff has to ferment for a year or so.


Premier hmmmm.

From Lea & Perrins website www.leaperrins.com

THE FACTS ABOUT THE SUDAN RED FOOD SCARE

Lea and Perrins Worcestershire Sauce is NOT affected by the food
safety alert involving another Worcester Sauce that has been
widely reported in the media over the weekend.

Consumers can therefore continue to safely enjoy Lea and Perrins
Worcestershire Sauce - the Original and Genuine product with the
highest quality standards, first manufactured in 1835 and now
sold in over 100 countries worldwide.

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Following up to Simon Stroud 


>The news reports have done a DISGRACEFUL job of not pointing out that L&P
>(my essential ingredient in lots of recipes) is not affected.


agreed. Typical inaccurate scaremongering, which hunting rubbish
from the so called gentlemen of the press.
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Dave Fawthrop wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:55:39 -0000, "oO
> °" <Oo_2003(remove2reply)@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> | Alert: Cancer-causing food dye
> | More than 147 products are added to the list in the biggest crisis to hit
> | the food industry since BSE. The alert has now spread to 15 countries across
> | two continents.
> | 
> | Now 575 products listed....at http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
> | 
> | I bet theres plenty more to come! I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
> | all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the ingredients.....
> 
> There is usually an ingredient "spices" or something like that, which may
> cover a multitude of sins.
> 

what a lot of crap, stop eating chilly powder , buy whole chillies and 
grind them yourself, now give the topic a rest, bring some curried 
dishes recipes.

"Dave Fawthrop"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:55:28 +0000 (GMT), Steven Pampling
>  wrote:
>
> | In article <cvo5du$bb4$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, neutron <neutron(not
> | real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote:
> |
> | > I bought some Lea and Perrins Worchestershire Sauce yesterday, tastes
> | > good.
> |
> | Try Hendersons Relish - it tastes better.
> | (Almost a closely guarded Sheffield secret - but they have a web site)
>
> Not really a secret, all these things are brewed for a while which adds
> glutamates, which are great flavour enhancers.   The Romans knew it, they
> had Garam (fish sauce) also  Thai fish sauce, soy sauce, oyster sauce, an
> those are only the ones which spring to mind.
>
> Ob beer.   Anyone tried Bloody Mary with Thai Fish sauce?
> -- 

For a real treat, try "Prairie Red Eye".  That's a shot of tomato juice in a 
glass of beer.  I've lived here for 30 years and haven't the stomach to try 
it but I've seen plenty of otherwise sane people drink it!
Graham

In article <oY0Ud.513855$8l.23853@pd7tw1no>, stratman@shaw.ca says...

> For a real treat, try "Prairie Red Eye".  That's a shot of tomato juice in a 
> glass of beer.  I've lived here for 30 years and haven't the stomach to try 
> it but I've seen plenty of otherwise sane people drink it!


Just a shot of tomato juice?
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"Stephen (Sausagefans.com)"  wrote in message 
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> In article <oY0Ud.513855$8l.23853@pd7tw1no>, stratman@shaw.ca says...
>> For a real treat, try "Prairie Red Eye".  That's a shot of tomato juice 
>> in a
>> glass of beer.  I've lived here for 30 years and haven't the stomach to 
>> try
>> it but I've seen plenty of otherwise sane people drink it!
>
> Just a shot of tomato juice?
> -- 


I'm not sure of the amount.  A small glass of juice is served with the beer 
and the drinker adds it to taste.
Graham


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> Please take part in our poll.
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Does anyone remember Craske's of Norwich?

In article <U43Ud.515391$6l.501789@pd7tw2no>, stratman@shaw.ca says...

> I'm not sure of the amount.  A small glass of juice is served with the beer 
> and the drinker adds it to taste.


Sounds positively vile but while I'm a student I should try it.


> Does anyone remember Craske's of Norwich? 


Nope...
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"Simon Stroud"  wrote in message
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>
> "Cullen Skink"  wrote in
message
> news:389m9lF5kih4rU1@individual.net...
> > "Adrian"  wrote in message
> > news:Xns9608BEE79A977adrianachapmanfreeis@130.133.1.4...
> > > The Reids (dontuse@fell-walker.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding
much
> > like
> > > they were saying :
> > >
> > > >> I didn't think they put worcester sauce in
> > > >> all this stuff, it's certainly not listed in the

ingredients.....

> > >
> > > > the Worcester sauce thing is a red herring, its a red dye
> > > > associated with ground chilli or something. Last time I looked
> > > > Lea and Perins wasnt on the list, but a small company importing
> > > > chilli powder has gone into liquidation.
> > >
> > > Worcester Sauce isn't a red herring - AIUI, it's precisely how the
> > chili
> > > got into all these chavmeals.
> > >
> > > The problem is that Worcester Sauce - even the industrial "Premier"
> > > Foods/Crosse & Blackwell stuff has to ferment for a year or so.
> > >
> > > http://www.premierfoods.co.uk/news/press/worcester-sauce.cfm
> > >
> > > It's probably in the ingredients as an anonymous "flavouring".
> >
> > Maybe it's the branding that is causing the confusion.  When I think
of
> > Worcester Sauce I think of Lea and Perrins.  Their sauce is not
affected.
> > http://www.leaperrins.com/alert_uk.php
> >
> >
> You're confused. When you think of "Worcester" (sic) sauce you are
probably
> thinking of some industrial-grade chemical-laced imitation product
that's
> only fit for building into ready meals, e.g. the Crosse and Blackwell
> "Genuine" Worcester Sauce. Probably used in things such as Walkers
> "Worcester Sauce (sic) flavoured" crisps.


No I am not confused, just used an abbreviated term and as I said Lea and
Perrins is not affected.

"graham"  wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Fawthrop"  wrote in message
> news:mqf021l1a0mqfedguh3sbgehj0s41daaj6@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:55:28 +0000 (GMT), Steven Pampling
> >  wrote:
> >
> > | In article <cvo5du$bb4$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, neutron

<neutron(not

> > | real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote:
> > |
> > | > I bought some Lea and Perrins Worchestershire Sauce yesterday,
tastes
> > | > good.
> > |
> > | Try Hendersons Relish - it tastes better.
> > | (Almost a closely guarded Sheffield secret - but they have a web
site)
> >
> > Not really a secret, all these things are brewed for a while which
adds
> > glutamates, which are great flavour enhancers.   The Romans knew it,
they
> > had Garam (fish sauce) also  Thai fish sauce, soy sauce, oyster
sauce, an
> > those are only the ones which spring to mind.
> >
> > Ob beer.   Anyone tried Bloody Mary with Thai Fish sauce?
> > -- 
> For a real treat, try "Prairie Red Eye".  That's a shot of tomato juice
in a
> glass of beer.  I've lived here for 30 years and haven't the stomach to
try
> it but I've seen plenty of otherwise sane people drink it!
> Graham


Any particular type/style of beer?

"Cullen Skink"  wrote in message 
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> "graham"  wrote in message
> news:oY0Ud.513855$8l.23853@pd7tw1no...
>>
>> "Dave Fawthrop"  wrote in message
>> news:mqf021l1a0mqfedguh3sbgehj0s41daaj6@4ax.com...
>> > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:55:28 +0000 (GMT), Steven Pampling
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > | In article <cvo5du$bb4$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, neutron
> <neutron(not
>> > | real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote:
>> > |
>> > | > I bought some Lea and Perrins Worchestershire Sauce yesterday,
> tastes
>> > | > good.
>> > |
>> > | Try Hendersons Relish - it tastes better.
>> > | (Almost a closely guarded Sheffield secret - but they have a web
> site)
>> >
>> > Not really a secret, all these things are brewed for a while which
> adds
>> > glutamates, which are great flavour enhancers.   The Romans knew it,
> they
>> > had Garam (fish sauce) also  Thai fish sauce, soy sauce, oyster
> sauce, an
>> > those are only the ones which spring to mind.
>> >
>> > Ob beer.   Anyone tried Bloody Mary with Thai Fish sauce?
>> > -- 
>> For a real treat, try "Prairie Red Eye".  That's a shot of tomato juice
> in a
>> glass of beer.  I've lived here for 30 years and haven't the stomach to
> try
>> it but I've seen plenty of otherwise sane people drink it!
>> Graham
>
> Any particular type/style of beer?
>

They tend to be lager-style, 5% beers.

Following up to Dave Fawthrop 


>Not that I drink Real Ale anything.


Lager lout are you, Dave?
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:47:20 +0000, The Reids 
wrote:

| Following up to Dave Fawthrop 
| 
| >Not that I drink Real Ale anything.
| 
| Lager lout are you, Dave?

Any alcohol does me considerable harm and absolutely no good
*in the short term*.   
My paternal grandfather drank himself to death.  
At the Curry Project I see the shitty end of alcohol. 
I had enough problems getting off nicotine and fight a continuous battle
with caffeine.    Another addictive substance, No Thanks.

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