I am looking for somewhere to commute to London from.  My criteria is:

1. Be served by high frequency air-conditioned trains.
2. Low crime rate.
3. 24 hour service (not including night buses).

Woking seems ideal on items 1 and 2 but unfortunately there is no
overnight service.  It seems very odd that it has a very high frequency
during the day but nothing overnight.  It looks like the only station
which fits the criteria is Three Bridges but that doesn't have as
frequent trains as Woking.

Does it make sense for Three Bridges to have overnight services 7 days
a week (even the Reading line doesn't run on a Saturday night) but to
have less frequent services than Woking?

"Helen Jones"  wrote

>
> Does it make sense for Three Bridges to have overnight services 7 days
> a week


No - but it does make sense for Gatwick Airport to have overnight services.

Peter

Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
Gatwick

phil.george999@gmail.com wrote:

> Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
> There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
> Gatwick


I'm trying to recall when the loop through Kingston lost its all night 
service ... (it *has* lost its all night service ...)

Mark Annand wrote:

> phil.george999@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
>> There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
>> Gatwick
> 
> 
> I'm trying to recall when the loop through Kingston lost its all night 
> service ... (it *has* lost its all night service ...)


There used to be an all night service through my local station 
(Norbiton)?? That would be a vast improvement on the N77...

We still have the Saturdays only 0142 from Waterloo but this is often 
either bustituted or diverted via Richmond.

Cheers,

Steve M

> Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
> There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
> Gatwick


Have you regularly travelled on night buses in London? The b#####y 
things are not safe until 05.00 most nights


Mark F

"mark"  wrote in message
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> > Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
> > There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
> > Gatwick
>
> Have you regularly travelled on night buses in London? The b#####y
> things are not safe until 05.00 most nights


No, that's not right, not right at all, what you should have said is that in
many parts of London the busses aren't safe at any time of day or night.

-- 

All the best,

Chris Wilson

That's cwilson at britwar with a dot uk and dot co on the end. (Reply
address is blackholed)

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On 17 Aug 2005 13:20:03 -0700, "Helen Jones"
 wrote:


>I am looking for somewhere to commute to London from.  My criteria is:
>
>1. Be served by high frequency air-conditioned trains.
>2. Low crime rate.
>3. 24 hour service (not including night buses).


If there was somewhere, wouldn't everyone be living there...?

The night buses aren't that bad.


>Woking seems ideal


There's a phrase you don't see every day.
 

> on items 1 and 2

Ah.

> but unfortunately there is no
>overnight service.  It seems very odd that it has a very high frequency
>during the day but nothing overnight.  It looks like the only station
>which fits the criteria is Three Bridges but that doesn't have as
>frequent trains as Woking.


I don't know about crime rates, but for a 24 hr service without buses
I think you are going to be limited to Clapham Junction, East Croydon,
Gatwick Airport and Three Bridges. 

Do you really need a 24h service, and if so would somewhere close in
be better? I've a friend who lives a stone's throw from City
Thameslink - the usual sort of crime is meant to be pretty low round
there. Thameslink doesn't run all night but goes quite late and early,
but its trains aren't air conditioned.
-- 
Arthur Figgis                Surrey, UK

mark wrote:

> > Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
> > There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
> > Gatwick
>
> Have you regularly travelled on night buses in London? The b#####y
> things are not safe until 05.00 most nights
>
>
> Mark F


I go on night buses all the time and have never had any trouble. I
think you just need to be a bit switched on, and if it's not busy sit
on the lower deck. The real shady characters of the night are not
riding around town on night buses.

> The real shady characters of the night are not
> riding around town on night buses.


One third of night busses I've got have terminated short, and had a 30
minute delay while a fight was conducted on the top deck. A replacement
bus arrived 30 minutes later, police couldn't be bothered to turn up so
it's presumably a common occurence..

>I am looking for somewhere to commute to London from.  My criteria is:
>
> 1. Be served by high frequency air-conditioned trains.
> 2. Low crime rate.
> 3. 24 hour service (not including night buses).
>
> Woking seems ideal on items 1 and 2 but unfortunately there is no
> overnight service.  It seems very odd that it has a very high frequency
> during the day but nothing overnight.  It looks like the only station
> which fits the criteria is Three Bridges but that doesn't have as
> frequent trains as Woking.
>
> Does it make sense for Three Bridges to have overnight services 7 days
> a week (even the Reading line doesn't run on a Saturday night) but to
> have less frequent services than Woking?


LMFAO.... Have you ever been to Woking?????

"mark"  wrote in message 
news:_AOMe.12552$Mf6.3333@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...

>> Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
>> There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
>> Gatwick
>
> Have you regularly travelled on night buses in London? The b#####y things 
> are not safe until 05.00 most nights
>
>


I fancy this is another urban myth. If there were real dangers, as opposed 
to perceived dangers, they wouldn't get the crews to run them! I'm not 
saying there is no yobbish/loutish behaviour, or no drunks [male and female] 
using them, but I fancy it is another example of on;ly publicising the 
negative. Like most rail reporting really.

Roger C

>> Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
>> There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
>> Gatwick
>
> Have you regularly travelled on night buses in London? The b#####y things 
> are not safe until 05.00 most nights


I used to travel regularly on Night Busses between the West End and 
Stratford, and the worst I saw was a few Drunks trying to get away without 
paying their fare.

phil.george999@gmail.com wrote:

> Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
> There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
> Gatwick


I've been around the area east of Three Bridges station and it look
pretty good and there is no aircraft noise.  According to National
Statistics, the wards 'Pound Hill South and Worth' and 'Maidenbower'
are some of the least deprived in the country.

I need 24 hour access because otherwise you can't get to Stansted,
Luton or Gatwick airport for early flights and you can't make the first
train out of Euston or Kings Cross.

Helen Jones wrote:

> phil.george999@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>>Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
>>There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
>>Gatwick
> 
> 
> I've been around the area east of Three Bridges station and it look
> pretty good and there is no aircraft noise.  According to National
> Statistics, the wards 'Pound Hill South and Worth' and 'Maidenbower'
> are some of the least deprived in the country.
> 
> I need 24 hour access because otherwise you can't get to Stansted,
> Luton or Gatwick airport for early flights and you can't make the first
> train out of Euston or Kings Cross.
> 


There is a 0410 departure arrive Waterloo 0453 and depart 0529 arrive 
0612.  I would have thought these early enough for most purposes.

Roger


Woking Depart	04:10	05:29	05:33	06:01	06:06
London Arrive	04:53	06:12	06:22	06:29	06:34

@(none) wrote:

>
> There is a 0410 departure arrive Waterloo 0453 and depart 0529 arrive
> 0612.  I would have thought these early enough for most purposes.
>

Not early enough for getting to Stansted by 0600.  On Sunday, the first
train is very late at 0635.

"Helen Jones"  wrote in message
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> @(none) wrote:
> >
> > There is a 0410 departure arrive Waterloo 0453 and depart 0529 arrive
> > 0612.  I would have thought these early enough for most purposes.
> >
> Not early enough for getting to Stansted by 0600.  On Sunday, the first
> train is very late at 0635.
>

It's different if you've a plane to catch, but for most people 0635 on a
Sunday morning is very early. Very few stations have their first Sunday
morning train as early as this, and for those that do, there's very few
passengers about.

Peter

"Helen Jones"  wrote in message 
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> @(none) wrote:
>>
>> There is a 0410 departure arrive Waterloo 0453 and depart 0529 arrive
>> 0612.  I would have thought these early enough for most purposes.
>>
> Not early enough for getting to Stansted by 0600.  On Sunday, the first
> train is very late at 0635.
>

If you want to get to Sansted that early on a regular basis why not move out 
that way?

Paul Weaver wrote:

> > The real shady characters of the night are not
> > riding around town on night buses.
>
> One third of night busses I've got have terminated short, and had a 30
> minute delay while a fight was conducted on the top deck. A replacement
> bus arrived 30 minutes later, police couldn't be bothered to turn up so
> it's presumably a common occurence..


Let me guess, the sample size we're talking about here is three, right?

-- 
Larry Lard
Replies to group please

Michael wrote:


>
> If you want to get to Sansted that early on a regular basis why not move out
> that way?


The only place commutable to London that is also near Stansted would be
Bishop Stortford, but that would be no good for getting to Gatwick,
Euston or Kings Cross early in the morning as there are no night trains
at Bishop Stortford.

> "Helen Jones"  wrote in message
> news:1124352523.655921.98400@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> @(none) wrote:
>> >
>> > There is a 0410 departure arrive Waterloo 0453 and depart 0529 arrive
>> > 0612.  I would have thought these early enough for most purposes.
>> >
>> Not early enough for getting to Stansted by 0600.  On Sunday, the first
>> train is very late at 0635.
>>
> It's different if you've a plane to catch, but for most people 0635 on a
> Sunday morning is very early. Very few stations have their first Sunday
> morning train as early as this, and for those that do, there's very few
> passengers about.


How about living in Bolton?  Good direct trains to Manchester Airport 24 
hrs.

You know it makes sense, added to the fact it costs 2:55 (Anytime Weekends 
+ 9:30 Weekdays) or 4 other times and Journey time = 40 mins.

KW

Ken Ward wrote:


>
> How about living in Bolton?  Good direct trains to Manchester Airport 24
> hrs.
> 


Crime stats for Bolton look very grim.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:21:18 +0100, Helen Jones  
 wrote:


>
> Michael wrote:
>
>>
>> If you want to get to Sansted that early on a regular basis why not  
>> move out
>> that way?
>
> The only place commutable to London that is also near Stansted would be
> Bishop Stortford, but that would be no good for getting to Gatwick,
> Euston or Kings Cross early in the morning as there are no night trains
> at Bishop Stortford.


I think the probelm is that you are looking for a location that will be  
convient for a very large area. Gatwick to Stansted is just over 70 miles  
by road.

I think Three Bridges /Crawley is likely to be your best bet.
Three Bridges has 6 direct trains an hour to London with a choice of  
London Terminals.
Gatwick has an hourly bus to heathrow taking 1h15
There is even a direct bus to stansted but as this goes via Central London  
it takes 2h50.
The best bet for stansted would be to drive, its all motorway pretty much  
clear before 0630 and takes around 1 h 20.

Paul



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"Helen Jones"  wrote in message 
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>
> Michael wrote:
>
>>
>> If you want to get to Sansted that early on a regular basis why not move 
>> out
>> that way?
>
> The only place commutable to London that is also near Stansted would be
> Bishop Stortford, but that would be no good for getting to Gatwick,
> Euston or Kings Cross early in the morning as there are no night trains
> at Bishop Stortford.
>


You should really consider a Helicopter Pilots licence. Oh and a reasonably 
sized garden.

KW

"Helen Jones"  wrote in message 
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>
> Ken Ward wrote:
>
>>
>> How about living in Bolton?  Good direct trains to Manchester Airport 24
>> hrs.
>>
>
> Crime stats for Bolton look very grim.
>


Tell us all about the serious crimes and terrorist atrocities of Bolton 1973 
to 2005.

If "Stats" worry you dont turn the central heating on!

KW.

Ken Ward wrote:


>
> Tell us all about the serious crimes and terrorist atrocities of Bolton 1973
> to 2005.
>

>From National Statistics:


Bolton:

population (Apr 2001): 261037
burglaries (Apr 2003-Mar 2004): 4462
burglaries/person: 0.017


Crawley:

population (Apr 2001): 99744
burglaries (Apr 2003-Mar 2004): 327
burglaries/person: 0.003


Woking:

population (Apr 2001): 89480
burglaries (Apr 2003-Mar 2004): 381
burglaries/person: 0.004

Steve M wrote:

> Mark Annand wrote:
> > phil.george999@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Why don't you just move to London, and put up with the night buses?
> >> There's nothing wrong with them!!   You really wouldn't want to live at
> >> Gatwick
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to recall when the loop through Kingston lost its all night
> > service ... (it *has* lost its all night service ...)
>
> There used to be an all night service through my local station
> (Norbiton)?? That would be a vast improvement on the N77...
>
> We still have the Saturdays only 0142 from Waterloo but this is often
> either bustituted or diverted via Richmond.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steve M


I'm fascinated by these now deceased all night rail services. So,
Norbiton had an all night service, as did the Kingston loop. When did
they start offering an all night service (the 1950's, the 1980's ???),
and when did they finish. And is there anywhere else that had an all
night service that is no longer?

And on what lines are there still all night services in the UK?

Helen Jones wrote:

> I am looking for somewhere to commute to London from.  My criteria is:
>
> 1. Be served by high frequency air-conditioned trains.
> 2. Low crime rate.
> 3. 24 hour service (not including night buses).


Sounds like you want Moononastickton. By lucky hap:
http://www.findaproperty.co.uk/story.aspx?storyid=3851


> Woking seems ideal

*guffaws*

> on items 1

Ah. OK.

> and 2


*goes back to guffawing*

You'll not have spent very much time there, then?


> but unfortunately there is no
> overnight service.  It seems very odd that it has a very high frequency
> during the day but nothing overnight.


Does it? Basically only Thameslink has overnight servies, n'est pas?
Surely, by sheer statistical weight, it seems very odd that they do?


> It looks like the only station
> which fits the criteria is Three Bridges but that doesn't have as
> frequent trains as Woking.


How about St Albans, or -- contraversially -- move into London? Either
get a flat in the city (not as bad as you'd think -- check the council
tax rate) or bite the bullet, accept night busses and move to Richmond,
Wimbledon, Putney etc?

-- 
John.

Johnny wrote:

>
> How about St Albans, or -- contraversially -- move into London? Either
> get a flat in the city (not as bad as you'd think -- check the council
> tax rate) or bite the bullet, accept night busses and move to Richmond,
> Wimbledon, Putney etc?


Thameslink doesn't start until 0600 on Sunday mornings.

The burglary rates per 1000 people for Merton, Wandsworth, Richmond and
Woking boroughs are as follows:

Merton 5.8
Wandsworth 9.9
Richmond 6.6
Woking 4.2

Also, too many crappy 455s at Wimbledon and bad aircraft noise in
Richmond and Putney.

Helen, you're beginning to get on my tits! maybe you're a troll, in
which case more fool me for rising to the bait, or else perhaps this is
some kind of uk.railway in-joke, in which case it's right over my head.
If you really are the silly bitch you sound like, why don't you ask one
of your posh bloody friends where you should live? What's wrong with
wherever you're living now? Hubby/partner had enough? Get a place
nearby.

OK, it's feeding the troll, I know...

Helen Jones wrote:


> The burglary rates per 1000 people for Merton, Wandsworth, Richmond and
> Woking boroughs are as follows:
> Merton 5.8
> Wandsworth 9.9
> Richmond 6.6
> Woking 4.2


City of London?

Are you looking at crime rates or burglaries? You are aware that the LB
Wandsworth includes more than Putney? You would do better to ask
people's opinions who live there rather than rely on dubious
statistics. Few in Woking would consider it safer than Putney hill,
I'll wager.


> Also, too many crappy 455s at Wimbledon and bad aircraft noise in
> Richmond and Putney.


Whilst there are 455s, there are also plenty of airconned trains, as
requested.

Aircraft noise was not a criterion of yours.

"contrex"  wrote in message 
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> Helen, you're beginning to get on my tits! maybe you're a troll, in
> which case more fool me for rising to the bait, or else perhaps this is
> some kind of uk.railway in-joke, in which case it's right over my head.
> If you really are the silly bitch you sound like, why don't you ask one
> of your posh bloody friends where you should live? What's wrong with
> wherever you're living now? Hubby/partner had enough? Get a place
> nearby.
>


Your first post in this thread, why don't you go and do something else apart 
from read it?!

"Mizter T"  wrote

>
> I'm fascinated by these now deceased all night rail services. So,
> Norbiton had an all night service, as did the Kingston loop. When did
> they start offering an all night service (the 1950's, the 1980's ???),
> and when did they finish.


From 'London's Termini' by Alan A Jackson:

'For many years those working on morning papers sought a late train back to
their suburbs; their wishes were finally granted in 1910 when they were
given a 1.15 am departure from Ludgate Hill ... to Beckenham Junction. ...
These facilities were also used by market and Post Office men, but patronage
fell off sharply in the 1950s as more night workers bought their own cars.
In 1963 the four trains between Holborn Viaduct and Orpington between 1.30
and 3.15 am, and the connecting service from Herne Hill to Sutton were
carrying an average of twenty or so passengers each; BR discontinued them as
an economy measure from June 17th and a replacement coach service was soon
abandoned.'

There were also quite a number of newspaper trains with passenger
accommodation. In the mid-1960s the Western Region issued a few passes
entitling holders to travel on News or Staff trains in the wee small hours.

Peter

Why don't you pull your head in, sunshine?

"contrex"  wrote in message 
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> Why don't you pull your head in, sunshine?
>


Because this is usenet and I can post what I like.

DERWENT Re: Why no overnight trains to Woking?
 Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:28:33 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Masson"
 


>
>"Helen Jones"  wrote
>>
>> Does it make sense for Three Bridges to have overnight services 7 days
>> a week
>
>No - but it does make sense for Gatwick Airport to have overnight services.
>



Three Bridges is beyond Gatwick...

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Dummy. Although it was phrased as a question, it is, in fact, an
instruction.

"contrex"  wrote in message 
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> Dummy. Although it was phrased as a question, it is, in fact, an
> instruction.


Not very good at English then are you? That's a question, btw, not an 
instruction.

Do fuck off, as you've nothing useful to contribute to this thread, or ever 
did have in the first place.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:20:27 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Masson"
 wrote:


>It's different if you've a plane to catch, but for most people 0635 on a
>Sunday morning is very early. Very few stations have their first Sunday
>morning train as early as this, and for those that do, there's very few
>passengers about.


About 0800 on Merseyrail, and even less impressively my first bus from
home (half-hourly service during the day on each of 2 routes, or
half-hourly on one and hourly on the other evenings and Sundays) is
about 1030 on a Sunday.

Another reason why a car is more or less[1] a requirement for life in
MK...

[1] A bicycle would do, provided your place of work was not too far
away...

Neil

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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:30:09 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
wrote:


>Tell us all about the serious crimes and terrorist atrocities of Bolton 1973 
>to 2005.


The Manchester bomb was close enough to count, given that the
comparison is with towns not in London itself.

Admittedly no-one was killed, but (having been there on the day) I
wonder if it was more luck than judgement.

Neil

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On 18 Aug 2005 06:23:07 -0700, "Mizter T"  wrote:


>And on what lines are there still all night services in the UK?


Blackpool-Preston-Manchester Picc-Manchester Airport and
Leeds-Manchester Picc-Manchester Airport for two.  Only two-hourly,
though.

MK gets roughly 0100 and 0200 departures from Euston, but then there's
a big gap.

Neil

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I am at least as good at English as you are. As far as I can see,
***your*** only contribution to this thread has been to slag me off. So
take a running fuck at a rolling doughnut. Tosser.

In message <de1jsr$qeb$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, at 
09:20:27 on Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Peter Masson  
remarked:

>It's different if you've a plane to catch, but for most people 0635 on a
>Sunday morning is very early. Very few stations have their first Sunday
>morning train as early as this, and for those that do, there's very few
>passengers about.


It's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy. There are no trains on 
Central[1] to get you to Stansted Airport before 1pm on a Sunday, which 
allowing for a cancellation and other hiccups is a flight checking in at 
2pm for a 4pm departure.

So you have to drive.

And having equipped oneself to drive for those Sundays where you have a 
business meeting Monday morning, you might as well drive seven days a 
week.

[1] It's worse than that, as most through trips on a Sunday between 
Stansted and Peterborough require two changes.
-- 
Roland Perry

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4304cf32.2012734@news.tesco.net...

> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:30:09 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
> wrote:
>
>>Tell us all about the serious crimes and terrorist atrocities of Bolton 
>>1973
>>to 2005.
>
> The Manchester bomb was close enough to count, given that the
> comparison is with towns not in London itself.
>
> Admittedly no-one was killed, but (having been there on the day) I
> wonder if it was more luck than judgement.


No one brought London into it except yourself. The Manchester Bombing did 
NOT effect Bolton. What is effecting Bolton is the fact that Johnny Adair 
(Sp?) is now resident here.
Were the Warrington Bombs "near enough to count" in Wigan? I don't think so.

KW

"contrex"  wrote in message 
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>I am at least as good at English as you are. As far as I can see,
> ***your*** only contribution to this thread has been to slag me off. So
> take a running fuck at a rolling doughnut. Tosser.
>


And your contribution was to slag someone else off, what goes around, comes 
around.

So you're the agent of "what goes round" are you? Messianic delusions.
Like I said. Tosser.

"contrex"  wrote in message 
news:1124394871.530044.63080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

> So you're the agent of "what goes round" are you? Messianic delusions.
> Like I said. Tosser.


No, I was bored and just playing with you!

On 17 Aug 2005 13:20:03 -0700, "Helen Jones"
 wrote:


>I am looking for somewhere to commute to London from.  My criteria is:
>
>1. Be served by high frequency air-conditioned trains.
>2. Low crime rate.
>3. 24 hour service (not including night buses).
>
>Woking seems ideal on items 1 and 2 but unfortunately there is no
>overnight service.  It seems very odd that it has a very high frequency
>during the day but nothing overnight.  It looks like the only station
>which fits the criteria is Three Bridges but that doesn't have as
>frequent trains as Woking.
>
>Does it make sense for Three Bridges to have overnight services 7 days
>a week (even the Reading line doesn't run on a Saturday night) but to
>have less frequent services than Woking?


Back in the dim & distant past - well the late 1970's - I lived in
Pyrford (slightly nearer West Byfleet than Woking) I used night buses
and newspaper trains to get home after nights out in London. The
disadvantage of this was falling asleep on the paper trains and ending
up in the exotic locations of either Petersfield or Yeovil
Junction.....

These days, and domiciled in Linslade, I can recall trains that ran
approximately hourly through the night from Euston - though I think
these might have finished by 1990.

I think you won't get everything you are looking for.

G

P.S. Woking is not, never was and never will be the most wonderful
place on the planet. It is a commuter town pure and simple. I was last
there a couple of weeks ago........... but only because I have family
there.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:45:53 +0100, PRAR  wrote:


>DERWENT Re: Why no overnight trains to Woking?
> Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:28:33 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Masson"
> 
>
>>
>>"Helen Jones"  wrote
>>>
>>> Does it make sense for Three Bridges to have overnight services 7 days
>>> a week
>>
>>No - but it does make sense for Gatwick Airport to have overnight services.
>>
>
>
>Three Bridges is beyond Gatwick...


And had sidings where it might be easier to leave trains, reverse
them, etc?  
-- 
Arthur Figgis                Surrey, UK

> I am looking for somewhere to commute to London from.  My criteria is:

> 1. Be served by high frequency air-conditioned trains


Why air conditioned btw ? I have a choice of both where I live. London
is 25 minutes away, with 4-5 trains an hour. I personally much prefer
trains with opening windows. Remember GNERs wonderfully non-ventilating
trains? We had a similar incident with WAGN a while back, which did not
make the papers as all the windows open, and hence we did not boil.


> 2. Low crime rate.


Round here the crime rate is a third of that of London. And I live in a
low crime area of this particulat borough


> 3. 24 hour service (not including night buses).


Unless you live on the Thameslink, this is some distant memory. The
last train to my part of the world from London is 0136, the first is
0521. 20.5 hour, better than some.

Sounds ideal doesn't it ?

Well, probably not for you. Where I live is Stevenage, which usually
fills most people I know with complete horror. And not only do I live
in Stevenage, I live in the 2nd poorest part, St Nicholas. The low, low
crime rate is because there is presumably nothing to nick. We have a
pretty good (for the sticks) bus service - 17 buses an hour (!) to the
town centre during the rush hour.

It's not just the above that make people want to live somewhere. Woking
is also unbelievably expensive to buy.


> Does it make sense for Three Bridges to have overnight services 7 days
> a week (even the Reading line doesn't run on a Saturday night) but to
> have less frequent services than Woking?


Yes, because Thameslink turn their trains around there, rather than
Brighton, because punters were trashing the trains.

> > One third of night busses I've got have terminated short, and had a 30
> > minute delay while a fight was conducted on the top deck. A replacement
> > bus arrived 30 minutes later, police couldn't be bothered to turn up so
> > it's presumably a common occurence..
> Let me guess, the sample size we're talking about here is three, right?


Yes, it stopped after that. I'm afraid that buses are simply not worth
the hastle or risk

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:45:53 +0100, PRAR wrote:


> Three Bridges is beyond Gatwick...


How very true.

-- 
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632823.html
(33 008 at Eastleigh, 9 May 1985)

The first Martian cylinder landed on Horsell Common, didn't it?

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:11:20 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
wrote:


>No one brought London into it except yourself.


I think it was implied by;
1. Woking and Three Bridges mentioned are (relatively) near London,
and said overnight trains are probably being asked for for travel
to/from there.
2. Bolton, Woking and Three Bridges are all towns near large cities.
3. The OP posted about a location from which commuting to London was
feasible.


>Were the Warrington Bombs "near enough to count" in Wigan? I don't think so.


I would rather doubt that there is a major commuter or shopping flow
from Wigan to Warrington.  Bolton-Manchester, OTOH...

Also, I am not aware of there having been any terrorist attacks in
either Woking or Three Bridges.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

On 18 Aug 2005 06:23:07 -0700, "Mizter T"  wrote:



>
>I'm fascinated by these now deceased all night rail services. So,
>Norbiton had an all night service, as did the Kingston loop. When did
>they start offering an all night service (the 1950's, the 1980's ???),
>and when did they finish. And is there anywhere else that had an all
>night service that is no longer?
>

After electrification the Great Northern Electrics had an hourly
service to Welwyn Garden City and Hertford. This lasted a few years.

On 18 Aug 2005 03:21:18 -0700, "Helen Jones"
 wrote:


>
>Michael wrote:
>
>>
>> If you want to get to Sansted that early on a regular basis why not move out
>> that way?
>
>The only place commutable to London that is also near Stansted would be
>Bishop Stortford, but that would be no good for getting to Gatwick,
>Euston or Kings Cross early in the morning as there are no night trains
>at Bishop Stortford.


If you need to get between the London airports outside normal hours
then coaches are about the only option. The main problem is that just
about all journeys between Stansted and Gatwick go via Heathrow, which
isn't exactly quick. The first STN - LGW goes direct (or it did last
time I looked - admittedly not recently).

Ken wrote:

> On 18 Aug 2005 03:21:18 -0700, "Helen Jones"
>  wrote:

> If you need to get between the London airports outside normal hours
> then coaches are about the only option. The main problem is that just
> about all journeys between Stansted and Gatwick go via Heathrow, which
> isn't exactly quick. The first STN - LGW goes direct (or it did last
> time I looked - admittedly not recently).


You can get a train from Gatwick to Blackfriars through the night and
walk to Liverpool Street (about 20 minutes) then get the first Stansted
Express at 0430 or 0500 which is early enough for nearly all flights.
If it isn't early enough, and on Sunday morning when there is no
Thameslink, then it is better to get a train to Victoria and get the
coach from there.

Not wishing to be gender-biased, but how many women do you know who
know the different types of trains ? Could this be a troll ?

On 18 Aug 2005 22:53:41 -0700, "contrex" 
wrote:


>The first Martian cylinder landed on Horsell Common, didn't it?


Well it's about the only thing Woking is famous for.......

G

I agree. A troll pure and simple.

Most of the outer suburban stations on the WAGN route have services for
about 19-20 hours a day, which is generally the best you can hope for.
Last train to Hitchin from KX is 0136 (0036 Sunday mornings) and last
to Letchworth is 0106 (2356 on Saturday nights) and first trains to
London are 0448 from Hitchin and 0451 from Letchworth. Sunday mornings
during the summer are more problematic becasue of bus replacements but
that will change in September.

The area is also a lot cheaper than Woking - and as Woking is my home
town, I cannot be "to" rude about it!:-) (It does have a Hawker Hunter
on a pole in the town centre plus a statue of a "Martian"!)

It takes about an hour to drive to Stansted Airport and 30 minutes to
Luton from Letchworth.

On 19 Aug 2005 01:44:27 -0700, riceuten@gmx.de wrote:


>Not wishing to be gender-biased, but how many women do you know who
>know the different types of trains ? 


My wife!  Not so much now, but one of the reasons she married me was
to get a Priv Pass.  Sometimes, I think it was the *only* reason.

Also, when we were young, my sister.
-- 
Bill Hayles
http://www.rossrail.com
md@rossrail.com

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:21:46 +0100, Gavin Hamilton
<gavin@hamilton.powernet.co.ukremovethis> wrote:


>On 18 Aug 2005 22:53:41 -0700, "contrex" 
>wrote:
>
>>The first Martian cylinder landed on Horsell Common, didn't it?
>
>Well it's about the only thing Woking is famous for.......


If I'd travelled thousands of miles across interplanetary space only
to end up in Woking, I'd be reaching for my death-ray.
-- 
Arthur Figgis                Surrey, UK

PRAR wrote:


> Three Bridges is beyond Gatwick...


Indeed it is, but if you're running trains to Gatwick through the
night, it doesn't cost much more to run them the extra 3 miles to
Three Bridges.

-- 
                          Stevie D
    \\\\\       /////     Bringing dating agencies to the
   \\\\\\\__X__///////    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"
___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________

"Stevie D"  wrote in message
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> PRAR wrote:
>
> > Three Bridges is beyond Gatwick...
>
> Indeed it is, but if you're running trains to Gatwick through the
> night, it doesn't cost much more to run them the extra 3 miles to
> Three Bridges.
>

Especially if the crews book on and off at Three Bridges.

Peter

On 18/8/05 17:54, "contrex"  wrote:


> Why don't you pull your head in, sunshine?
> 


,,,and why don't you include some context in your article so those of us who
aren't 12 year-old newcomers to Usenet have some idea of what you're
referring to?

riceuten@gmx.de wrote:


>> 3. 24 hour service (not including night buses).
> 
> Unless you live on the Thameslink, this is some distant memory. The
> last train to my part of the world from London is 0136, the first is
> 0521. 20.5 hour, better than some.


There are also Southern services from Victoria to Three Bridges and
FGWL services to Reading through the night.

-- 
                          Stevie D
    \\\\\       /////     Bringing dating agencies to the
   \\\\\\\__X__///////    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"
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On 20 Aug 2005 02:34:27 -0700,
billetelic_ferroequinologist@hotmail.com wrote:



>The area is also a lot cheaper than Woking - and as Woking is my home
>town, I cannot be "to" rude about it!:-) (It does have a Hawker Hunter
>on a pole in the town centre plus a statue of a "Martian"!)
>


I knew about the Martian, though I've not seen it. Where abouts is the
Hunter? Why on earth a Hunter should be the question I suppose.
Hunters were connected with Kingston (I worked there for 12 months
during the 70's) and Dunsfold (home of Top Gear these days). An
appropriate aircraft for Woking would be a VC10 - bloody noisy things
when they were being tested at Wisley.

I lived in Pyrford 1963 -1983, went through school there and the area
has to be one of the least exciting on the planet. I haven't even
bothered with friends reunited to link up with people from my school
days.

G

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:13:56 +0100, Arthur Figgis
 wrote:


>On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:45:53 +0100, PRAR  wrote:
>
>>DERWENT Re: Why no overnight trains to Woking?
>> Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:28:33 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Masson"
>> 
>>
>>>"Helen Jones"  wrote
>>>>
>>>> Does it make sense for Three Bridges to have overnight services 7 days
>>>> a week
>>>
>>>No - but it does make sense for Gatwick Airport to have overnight services.
>>
>>Three Bridges is beyond Gatwick...
>
>And had sidings where it might be easier to leave trains, reverse
>them, etc?  


So, of course, does Gatwick. I suspect that there is somewhere to have
a brew up at Three Bridges.
-- 
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

Terry Harper wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:13:56 +0100, Arthur Figgis
>  wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Three Bridges is beyond Gatwick...
> >
> >And had sidings where it might be easier to leave trains, reverse
> >them, etc?
>
> So, of course, does Gatwick. I suspect that there is somewhere to have
> a brew up at Three Bridges.


The Gatwick Express has no problem turning around in Gatwick Airport
station.  They don't even go into the sidings and certainly never go to
Three Bridges.

Both Thameslink and Southern have decided to go to Three Bridges at
night so as it seems easy to turn around at Gatwick there must be some
reason why they go to Three Bridges.

Peter Masson  wrote:

> "Stevie D"  wrote in message
> news:tcieg1l6eo57g8p97lmrtddcc4r842hh8m@4ax.com...
>> Indeed it is, but if you're running trains to Gatwick through the
>> night, it doesn't cost much more to run them the extra 3 miles to
>> Three Bridges.
>>
> Especially if the crews book on and off at Three Bridges.


And Three Bridges is a useful traffic generator of itself (being next to
Crawley) without the nightmare of access that is Gatwick.

Theo

"Gavin Hamilton" <gavin@hamilton.powernet.co.ukremovethis> wrote in message
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> On 18 Aug 2005 22:53:41 -0700, "contrex" 
> wrote:
>
> >The first Martian cylinder landed on Horsell Common, didn't it?
>
> Well it's about the only thing Woking is famous for.......


The Jam/Paul Weller, The Vapors (punk band who did Turning Japanese).

Err.......  Yeah, that's about it.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:03:33 +0100, "Bondee"
 wrote:


>
>"Gavin Hamilton" <gavin@hamilton.powernet.co.ukremovethis> wrote in message
>news:c9ccg195vq0edl2e0f07tces94oiutcra3@4ax.com...
>> On 18 Aug 2005 22:53:41 -0700, "contrex" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The first Martian cylinder landed on Horsell Common, didn't it?
>>
>> Well it's about the only thing Woking is famous for.......
>
>The Jam/Paul Weller, The Vapors (punk band who did Turning Japanese).
>
>Err.......  Yeah, that's about it.
>



Paul Weller was a year above me at school - he is a much better
musician now than he was then. Rick Parfit was also at that school but
many years earlier. I remember the Vapors song but I always thought
they were from Guildford.

G

"Gavin Hamilton" <gavin@hamilton.powernet.co.ukremovethis> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:03:33 +0100, "Bondee"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >"Gavin Hamilton" <gavin@hamilton.powernet.co.ukremovethis> wrote in
message
> >news:c9ccg195vq0edl2e0f07tces94oiutcra3@4ax.com...
> >> On 18 Aug 2005 22:53:41 -0700, "contrex" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The first Martian cylinder landed on Horsell Common, didn't it?
> >>
> >> Well it's about the only thing Woking is famous for.......
> >
> >The Jam/Paul Weller, The Vapors (punk band who did Turning Japanese).
> >
> >Err.......  Yeah, that's about it.
>
> Paul Weller was a year above me at school - he is a much better
> musician now than he was then. Rick Parfit was also at that school but
> many years earlier. I remember the Vapors song but I always thought
> they were from Guildford.


They probably were.  I thought they were from Woking because Bruce Foxton
was their manager.

Take a look at this page for a list of other <ahem> celebrities who spewed
forth from Woking...  http://www.knowhere.co.uk/91_heroes.html

Have a *very* large pinch of salt handy. : )

Gavin Hamilton wrote:

> On 18 Aug 2005 22:53:41 -0700, "contrex" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The first Martian cylinder landed on Horsell Common, didn't it?
> 
> 
> Well it's about the only thing Woking is famous for.......


There's a poem about Woking, written by Jo Walton.  It was on her 
website for a long time, but now it's gone, which is a shame.  I really 
liked it.

Louis Krupp

The Hunter is in front of a nightclub complex just north of Chertsey
Road, a few minutes' walk from the station. If you remember Woking from
the late 70s/early 80s, it was the Fine Fare (?) store. I've not lived
in Woking for nearly 20 years but do visit regularly and it's a lot
better than it used to be. (Probably because I no longer live
there!!!???) There is a VC10 at Brooklands museum, of course...

I wouldn't mind living in Woking again except that I could not afford
it, nor get a seat on trains into London in the morning peak! I'm very
happy in Letchworth Garden City, though!

"Gavin Hamilton" <gavin@hamilton.powernet.co.ukremovethis> wrote in message
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<SNIP>

> >
>
>
> Paul Weller was a year above me at school - he is a much better
> musician now than he was then. Rick Parfit was also at that school but
> many years earlier. I remember the Vapors song but I always thought
> they were from Guildford.
>


<hatstand>Ford Prefect was from Guildford.</hatstand>

John

"John Kenyon"  wrote in message
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>
> "Gavin Hamilton" <gavin@hamilton.powernet.co.ukremovethis> wrote in
message
> news:qhfhg1tggn5o56t12ljse8qme2ph70q2uv@4ax.com...
> <SNIP>
> > >
> >
> >
> > Paul Weller was a year above me at school - he is a much better
> > musician now than he was then. Rick Parfit was also at that school but
> > many years earlier. I remember the Vapors song but I always thought
> > they were from Guildford.
> >
>
> <hatstand>Ford Prefect was from Guildford.</hatstand>


No he wasn't!  He was from a small planet somewhere in the vicinity of
Betelgeuse.
: )

On 22 Aug 2005 06:03:16 -0700,
billetelic_ferroequinologist@hotmail.com wrote:


>The Hunter is in front of a nightclub complex just north of Chertsey
>Road, a few minutes' walk from the station. If you remember Woking from
>the late 70s/early 80s, it was the Fine Fare (?) store. I've not lived
>in Woking for nearly 20 years but do visit regularly and it's a lot
>better than it used to be. (Probably because I no longer live
>there!!!???) There is a VC10 at Brooklands museum, of course...
>
>I wouldn't mind living in Woking again except that I could not afford
>it, nor get a seat on trains into London in the morning peak! I'm very
>happy in Letchworth Garden City, though!


Ah - I know where you mean. It has improved since I left the area
(1983), certainly there is a better range of shops now. 

Likewise I couldn't afford to live there in my current style. Also I
work in Milton Keynes so it's a bit far away.

G