Track fully ballasted, tamper working on the Up line.  Up and Down
starters at GX station still not illuminated.  Local staff hesitant
about restart Saturday but Network Rail contractors (Carillon?)
working fast so its looks unlikely that any postponement will be down
to them.
uk.r meet to test the line Saturday?

Guy Gorton

Guy Gorton wrote:

> Track fully ballasted, tamper working on the Up line.  Up and Down
> starters at GX station still not illuminated.  Local staff hesitant
> about restart Saturday but Network Rail contractors (Carillon?)
> working fast so its looks unlikely that any postponement will be down
> to them.
> uk.r meet to test the line Saturday?
>
> Guy Gorton


I need to go to both Birmingham and Stratford on Saturday, by train to
one of them, and then on to the other by bus.  Will the timetable be
the same as it was before the collapse?

Have you taken any more pictures Guy?

On 18 Aug 2005 04:17:22 -0700, "Gee-Bee" 
wrote:


>Have you taken any more pictures Guy?


Yes, I have.  I think the commencement of train services on Saturday
(hopefully) with track reinstatement beforehand will make a nice final
instalment of the collapse story, and continuing construction activity
will be attached to the earlier GerrardsCrossTesco series of pages.
I did not take any pictures of the protest last Saturday, nor did I
join it, despite being very anti Tesco-in-GX.
Took some this morning of the pilotman operation for the wrong-line
working High Wycombe to Beaconsfield.. 

Guy Gorton

Guy Gorton wrote:

> On 18 Aug 2005 04:17:22 -0700, "Gee-Bee" 
> wrote:
>
> >Have you taken any more pictures Guy?
>
> Yes, I have.  I think the commencement of train services on Saturday
> (hopefully) with track reinstatement beforehand will make a nice final
> instalment of the collapse story, and continuing construction activity
> will be attached to the earlier GerrardsCrossTesco series of pages.
> I did not take any pictures of the protest last Saturday, nor did I
> join it, despite being very anti Tesco-in-GX.
> Took some this morning of the pilotman operation for the wrong-line
> working High Wycombe to Beaconsfield..
>
> Guy Gorton

I saw some of the demo on tv and there were some poor souls in favour
including one young woman who said that Tesco were a big organisation
and should be allowed to do what ever thay liked, very strange.
Not content with wrecking the British farming industry but they now
want to ride rough shot over everybodies lives.

Kevin

On 18 Aug 2005 05:50:56 -0700, kajr@mwfree.net wrote:


>Not content with wrecking the British farming industry but they now
>want to ride rough shot over everybodies lives.


I fail to see why correctly constructing the tunnel would have been
"riding rough-shod" over anything.

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:

> On 18 Aug 2005 05:50:56 -0700, kajr@mwfree.net wrote:
>
>> Not content with wrecking the British farming industry but they now
>> want to ride rough shot over everybodies lives.
>
> I fail to see why correctly constructing the tunnel would have been
> "riding rough-shod" over anything.
>


Correctly, or otherwise, is irrelevant to the roughshodness.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:27:44 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
 wrote:


>Correctly, or otherwise, is irrelevant to the roughshodness.


If it had been built[1] correctly, it would not have collapsed.

Unless one is anti-Tesco, which is a matter of opinion, there is no
"riding rough-shod" over anything.

Neil

[1] This may or may not include "designed".

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In message , at 18:34:51 on Thu, 18 Aug 
2005, Neil Williams  remarked:


>Unless one is anti-Tesco, which is a matter of opinion, there is no
>"riding rough-shod" over anything.


What is being ridden roughshod over, is the (disregarded) opinions of 
various local poorly advised [1] Nibmys. I suggest they contact their MP 
to get the planning laws changed, if they care what happens elsewhere in 
future.

[1] If they had a case under planning law, and didn't get the store 
turned down, they were poorly advised. If they didn't have a case and 
yet expended futile effort, they were also poorly advised.
-- 
Roland Perry

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:27:09 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:


>On 18 Aug 2005 05:50:56 -0700, kajr@mwfree.net wrote:
>
>>Not content with wrecking the British farming industry but they now
>>want to ride rough shot over everybodies lives.
>
>I fail to see why correctly constructing the tunnel would have been
>"riding rough-shod" over anything.
>
>Neil


Can some action that is legal be dubbed "riding rough-shod"?  I think
it can, and perhaps it is one of the more common occurences of "riding
rough-shod".  In this case, Tesco applied for planning permission,
which was turned down locally.  Tesco appealed and the inspector's
report recommended that the appeal be rejected.  Prescott got in the
act, as he was legally entitled to do, and allowed the appeal.
So local wishes were utterly ignored, which is a classic case of
"riding rough-shod".
Then after many months of construction work, mostly done within rules
laid down but nonetheless a big nuisance, to be overwhelmed by the
rescue effort, operating 24/7 and doing all the things that the
original constructions rules prevented was the last straw.
We lost a train service too, a direct consequence of the original
"riding rough-shod".
There are many legitimate targets but Tesco is the most obvious.

Guy Gorton

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:49:24 +0100, Roland Perry 
wrote:


>In message , at 18:34:51 on Thu, 18 Aug 
>2005, Neil Williams  remarked:
>
>>Unless one is anti-Tesco, which is a matter of opinion, there is no
>>"riding rough-shod" over anything.
>
>What is being ridden roughshod over, is the (disregarded) opinions of 
>various local poorly advised [1] Nibmys. I suggest they contact their MP 
>to get the planning laws changed, if they care what happens elsewhere in 
>future.
>

Would you care to explain what Nibmys stands for? 


>[1] If they had a case under planning law, and didn't get the store 
>turned down, they were poorly advised. If they didn't have a case and 
>yet expended futile effort, they were also poorly advised.


The Planning Officers at South Bucks District recommended planning
approval with conditions but if the elected members had allowed that
to happen they would have been lynched by the populace!  Many issues
have been strongly influenced by public opinion, but Prescott probably
took delight in thwarting the wishes of a true-blue area.

And if you meant Nimbys, just bear in mind that we are not talking
back yard here but front yard in a big way.

Guy Gorton

In message , at 21:04:11 on 
Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Guy Gorton  
remarked:

>On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:49:24 +0100, Roland Perry 
>wrote:
>
>>In message , at 18:34:51 on Thu, 18 Aug
>>2005, Neil Williams  remarked:
>>
>>>Unless one is anti-Tesco, which is a matter of opinion, there is no
>>>"riding rough-shod" over anything.
>>
>>What is being ridden roughshod over, is the (disregarded) opinions of
>>various local poorly advised [1] Nibmys. I suggest they contact their MP
>>to get the planning laws changed, if they care what happens elsewhere in
>>future.
>>
>Would you care to explain what Nibmys stands for?


The word means "those who don't want new developments near them". (Give 
or take a typo here and there).


>>[1] If they had a case under planning law, and didn't get the store
>>turned down, they were poorly advised. If they didn't have a case and
>>yet expended futile effort, they were also poorly advised.
>
>The Planning Officers at South Bucks District recommended planning
>approval with conditions but if the elected members had allowed that
>to happen they would have been lynched by the populace!


Were those conditions more or less stringent than later approved by 
Prescott?


>Many issues
>have been strongly influenced by public opinion, but Prescott probably
>took delight in thwarting the wishes of a true-blue area.
>
>And if you meant Nimbys, just bear in mind that we are not talking
>back yard here but front yard in a big way.


The "back yard" is the area near where people live, not literally just 
their back garden.
-- 
Roland Perry