At 20:32.

 I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at 
Northfleet. (CTRL2)

Fire services on site

KW

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:30 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
wrote:


>At 20:32.
>
> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at 
>Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>
>Fire services on site
>

Where is your report from, Ken?

"Liz"  wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:30 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
> wrote:
>
>>At 20:32.
>>
>> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at
>>Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>>
>>Fire services on site
>>
> Where is your report from, Ken?


I can't reply to an invalid address.

KW

g1itv(AT)ntlworld.com



> 

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:07:02 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
wrote:


>
>"Liz"  wrote in message 
>news:meh4g19kek4gc1p0tasfkc499e21peac6g@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:30 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>At 20:32.
>>>
>>> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at
>>>Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>>>
>>>Fire services on site
>>>
>> Where is your report from, Ken?
>
>I can't reply to an invalid address.
>

You just have, silly.

"Liz"  wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:07:02 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Liz"  wrote in message
>>news:meh4g19kek4gc1p0tasfkc499e21peac6g@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:30 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>At 20:32.
>>>>
>>>> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at
>>>>Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>>>>
>>>>Fire services on site
>>>>
>>> Where is your report from, Ken?
>>
>>I can't reply to an invalid address.
>>
> You just have, silly.


Think about it... as sure as hell I aint going to explain it.

KW

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:14:06 +0100, Ken Ward   
wrote:


>
> "Liz"  wrote in message
> news:r0i4g158d40ge55l5he8mp1dei19tomeuc@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:07:02 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Liz"  wrote in message
>>> news:meh4g19kek4gc1p0tasfkc499e21peac6g@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:30 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At 20:32.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at
>>>>> Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>>>>>
>>>>> Fire services on site
>>>>>
>>>> Where is your report from, Ken?
>>>
>>> I can't reply to an invalid address.
>>>
>> You just have, silly.
>
> Think about it... as sure as hell I aint going to explain it.
>
> KW
>
> report on bbc;


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm

Paul



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"Ken Ward"  wrote in message 
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> At 20:32.
>
> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at 
> Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>
> Fire services on site
>
> KW

You sure this is not just an emergency services practise evening......

>>
>> report on bbc;
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm
>

Damm, they beat me to the news by 6 min's. But what the 'ell they are 200 
miles nearer.

KW

Ken, you on PROMA per chance???? ;)

"turbo"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Ken Ward"  wrote in message 
> news:2frMe.16$K85.5@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>> At 20:32.
>>
>> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at 
>> Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>>
>> Fire services on site
>>
>> KW
> You sure this is not just an emergency services practise evening......



Kent Fire Brigade are taking it pretty seriously with Control being set up 
at HQ, Straw Mill Hill, Tovil, Maidstone.

KW

"Pete_uk"  wrote in message 
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> Ken, you on PROMA per chance???? ;)


I think you may be aware of my answer had I given one :-))

KW

Liz wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:30 GMT, "Ken Ward" 
> wrote:
>
> >At 20:32.
> >
> > I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at
> >Northfleet. (CTRL2)
> >
> >Fire services on site
> >
> Where is your report from, Ken?


It's on the BBC News website now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm

>> You sure this is not just an emergency services practise evening......
>
> Kent Fire Brigade are taking it pretty seriously with Control being set up 
> at HQ, Straw Mill Hill, Tovil, Maidstone.


Yep you're right Ken , it was for real unfortunately... at the time I had a 
contradictory report that there was an exercise planned for this evening in 
the area , and it was maybe that...  It wasn't ...

naked_draughtsman wrote:

> Liz wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:30 GMT, "Ken Ward"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> At 20:32.
>>>
>>> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at
>>> Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>>>
>>> Fire services on site
>>>
>> Where is your report from, Ken?
>
> It's on the BBC News website now
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm


That says "One train was pushed from where the fire started in
Swanscombe, Kent, along the track to West Thurrock, Essex."  That means
that they pushed the train that was on fire through the tunnel under the
Thames.  Not sure I believe that.

Perhaps they think that Essex Fire Brigade are better than Kent's.
:-)
-- 
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"paul Hutchinson"  wrote

>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm
>

ITV (London Tonight) are reporting one death and another man hospitalised
with severe burns.

Peter

"Richard J."  wrote in message 
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> naked_draughtsman wrote:
>> Liz wrote:
>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:30 GMT, "Ken Ward"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 20:32.
>>>>
>>>> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames at
>>>> Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>>>>
>>>> Fire services on site
>>>>
>>> Where is your report from, Ken?
>>
>> It's on the BBC News website now
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm
>
> That says "One train was pushed from where the fire started in
> Swanscombe, Kent, along the track to West Thurrock, Essex."  That means
> that they pushed the train that was on fire through the tunnel under the
> Thames.  Not sure I believe that.
>
> Perhaps they think that Essex Fire Brigade are better than Kent's.
> :-)


The BBC report does seem to be rather strange but I cannot confirm or deny 
their account of it.

KW

"turbo"  wrote in message 
news:RFsMe.90290$G8.5888@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>
>>> You sure this is not just an emergency services practise evening......
>>
>> Kent Fire Brigade are taking it pretty seriously with Control being set 
>> up at HQ, Straw Mill Hill, Tovil, Maidstone.
>
> Yep you're right Ken , it was for real unfortunately... at the time I had 
> a contradictory report that there was an exercise planned for this evening 
> in the area , and it was maybe that...  It wasn't ...

Maybe the Vessel "On Fire" in Whitstable Harbour was part of that as it was 
reported as "quickly extiguished".

KW

Ken Ward wrote:

> "Richard J."  wrote in message
> news:I3tMe.90324$G8.12878@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> naked_draughtsman wrote:
>>> Liz wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:30 GMT, "Ken Ward"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At 20:32.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a report of a train fire in the  tunnel under the Thames
>>>>> at Northfleet. (CTRL2)
>>>>>
>>>>> Fire services on site
>>>>>
>>>> Where is your report from, Ken?
>>>
>>> It's on the BBC News website now
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm
>>
>> That says "One train was pushed from where the fire started in
>> Swanscombe, Kent, along the track to West Thurrock, Essex."  That
>> means that they pushed the train that was on fire through the
>> tunnel under the Thames.  Not sure I believe that.
>>
>> Perhaps they think that Essex Fire Brigade are better than Kent's.
>> :-)
>
> The BBC report does seem to be rather strange but I cannot confirm
> or deny their account of it.


The text I quoted above is no longer in the BBC report. They are now
saying that "more than 50 firefighters are at the scene almost a mile
inside a tunnel under the Thames between Swanscombe, Kent and Thurrock
in Essex."  A CTRL spokeswoman is quoted as saying that the fire started
in a "maintenance locomotive" in the tunnel and that "another train went
in to get to the locomotive out, but I think the fire only involved one
train."
-- 
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm

naked_draughtsman wrote:

>It's on the BBC News website now
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm


<http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/17/nfire17.xml>

Worker dies in Channel rail link fire
By Duncan Gardham
(Filed: 17/08/2005)

A worker on the Channel Tunnel Rail Link was feared dead and another
was in hospital last night with severe burns after a fire.
	
Twenty fire crews went to the scene in a Thames tunnel being built
near Swanscombe, Kent, when the blaze broke out on a maintenance
train.

They used thermal imaging equipment to try to find the missing worker
and the train was pushed back through the tunnel towards West
Thurrock, Essex.

The fire broke out 1,200 metres into the tunnel shortly after 7pm. The
train was thought to be carrying cables for construction of the line
linking Gravesend to St Pancras, London.

A spokesman for Kent fire brigade said a man on the locomotive was
believed to have died. He added: "One casualty has been brought out of
the tunnel and crews are still searching for a second who is believed
to be fatal."

Kent Police said the cause of the fire was unknown.

A spokesman for the Channel Tunnel Rail Link said a second train had
been used to remove the one on fire from the tunnel.

-- 
Neil Sunderland
Braunton, Devon

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>naked_draughtsman wrote:
>>It's on the BBC News website now
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm


Neil Sunderland wrote:

><http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/17/nfire17.xml>


<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1738960,00.html>

August 17, 2005

Worker dies after fire breaks out in Thames tunnel
By Simon Freeman

A CONSTRUCTION worker died last night after a fire broke out deep
underground in the new Channel Tunnel Rail Link under the Thames.

The fire is believed to have started on or near a maintenance
locomotive operating more than a mile underground at Swanscombe, Kent,
on the line being built between Gravesend and St Pancras, Central
London.

Firefighting crews in breathing apparatus braved searing temperatures
as they battled through thick smoke to reach the locomotive.
Thermal-imaging equipment was used in the search for the man.

A second man known to have been working at the scene was taken to
Darent Valley hospital, near Dartford, with serious burns. As the
remains of the burnt-out train were pushed out of the tunnel to West
Thurrock, Essex, engineers were assessing the extent of structural
damage caused by the flames.

It is feared that cables and signalling equipment, specially made for
the project, may have been destroyed. Remanufacturing of this
specialist equipment could take between six and eighteen months and
threatens to delay the tunnel becoming operational. The construction
of the concrete walls of the tunnel is complete and it is believed
that the fabric of the tunnel is unlikely to have suffered in the
fire.

A spokeswoman for London & Continental Railways, which is building the
link that will ultimately connect St Pancras to the Channel Tunnel and
on to Paris, said that although the fire was serious there was no
indication that the 2007 completion date would be affected.

A spokeswoman for CTRL said that a fire broke out shortly after 7pm
yesterday on one of its maintenance locomotives.

She added that there had been serious injuries in the incident but
that it was not thought that two trains had been involved.

The fire started in a maintenance locomotive in the Thames Tunnel,
which is part of the construction of section two of the rail link,
she said.

I have not been told that there was any sort of collision. Another
train went in to get the locomotive out but I think the fire only
involved one train.

A Kent fire service spokesman said: The fire is now under control.
One casualty has been brought out of the tunnel. Fire crews are still
searching for a second casualty, who is believed to be fatal.

Firefighters from Essex were also involved in the operation.

A Eurostar spokeswoman said that none of its trains was affected by
the fire.

The new link was a key element in securing Londons successful bid for
the 2012 Olympics. When it is finished, a fleet of 140mph Javelin
trains will carry 25,000 passengers an hour from St Pancras to
Stratford, East London.

Last month it emerged that the Government may need to find hundreds of
millions of pounds to complete the construction of the line.

The CTRL was supposed to have been paid for entirely by the private
sector but the first phase ran into funding problems when it became
clear that passenger numbers for Eurostar were much lower than
original forecasts.

In its latest report, the National Audit Office found that
construction of the first section of the line, which opened last
September, was completed on time and cost slightly less than the
target set in 1998. The second stage is also expected to be finished
on time but is likely to exceed the target price.

-- 
Neil Sunderland
Braunton, Devon

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Fire in tunnel claims second victim
18:40pm 21st August 2005

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An engine driver badly injured when a fire ripped through a section of
the Channel Tunnel rail link which is under construction has died in
hospital, his family has said.

Douglas Lynch, 50, from the Folkestone area of Kent, received severe
burns in the blaze which broke out on a maintenance locomotive on
Tuesday night at Swanscombe, Kent.

Another construction worker died at the scene despite 50 firefighters
tackling the fire which started 1,200 metres into a tunnel on the line
being built from Gravesend to St Pancras.

Mr Lynch's family said they regarded him as "a hero" for managing to
bring the locomotive to a stop preventing a collision and further
damage.

His wife Denise said: "You will not find a more health and safety
conscious man which is why I find this so hard to believe that I have
lost my husband, my sons have lost their father and grandchildren have
lost their grandfather."

Mr Lynch, who was known as "Dougie" to his friends and family, was
treated for his injuries at the Broomfield Burns Unit in Chelmsford,
Essex, but lost his fight for life on Saturday night.

Kent Police are investigating the cause of the blaze, which was
confined to a part of the tunnel still under construction, but said
earlier this week that they had yet to find anything suggesting it was
suspicious. 

-- 
Neil Sunderland
Braunton, Devon

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Webbens wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm


Alleley`s took upto 2 rail wagons away from Dagenham exchange sidings
this week during the nightime , looked like large hopper / conveyor
types they did have smoke damage visable , didnt see any sign of a loco
unless its still down the hole ? 14029 still about so it could have
been a 211xxx.

Ian.

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>
> Webbens wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4157924.stm
>
> Alleley`s took upto 2 rail wagons away from Dagenham exchange sidings
> this week during the nightime , looked like large hopper / conveyor
> types they did have smoke damage visable , didnt see any sign of a loco
> unless its still down the hole ? 14029 still about so it could have
> been a 211xxx.
>
> Ian.
>

I have been reliably informed that it was an industrial-type locomotive, 
rather than an ex-mainline type. Tragic news for the families involved.
Brian

In article <decek2$4ij$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, BH Williams
 wrote:


> I have been reliably informed that it was an industrial-type locomotive, 
> rather than an ex-mainline type. Tragic news for the families involved.


It was a jellymould and the last I heard it was sheeted over in the
fitters shed at Swanscombe.

-- 
Adrian

"Theory and practice are the same in theory, but different in practice"

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:28:05 +0100, Adrian Chapman <Adrian@my.privacy>  
wrote:


> In article <decek2$4ij$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, BH Williams
>  wrote:
>
>> I have been reliably informed that it was an industrial-type locomotive,
>> rather than an ex-mainline type. Tragic news for the families involved.
>
> It was a jellymould and the last I heard it was sheeted over in the
> fitters shed at Swanscombe.


I believe it was a locomotive of this type,  
http://johnwaddington.fotopic.net/p14004644.html

Paul

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This little loco thing , is it a four wheel jobbie ?

have only seen its outline in the dark a couple of months ago it was
pulling some autoballaster wagons ! 

Ian.