Need some advice and help.
I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her 
work.

Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?

Really appreciate your help.
Thanks in advance.
JAY

go to a shop and find out your self lazy sod

"Jay"  wrote in message
news:4300639c$0$18200$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her
> work.
>
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
>
> Really appreciate your help.
> Thanks in advance.
> JAY
>
>

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:02:49 +0100, "The Cat"
 wrote:


>go to a shop and find out your self lazy sod

This person is asking for help not your lip did it not occur to you
that the person may be disabled in some way and cannot get about etc .

In article , The Cat says...

> go to a shop and find out your self lazy sod


Is that you Jenny?

-- 
Michael
Ebay items: http://tinyurl.com/3wfy8

Jay wrote:

> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her 
> work.
> 
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
> 
> Really appreciate your help.
> Thanks in advance.
> JAY 
> 
> 

Not sure about payg if you want the latest high quality ones.  I think
the new sony/ericcson W800 is out today which has got a 2mp camera, it's
on offer at various places like carphone warehouse (www.cpw.co.uk) and
the link (www.thelink.co.uk) that's on contract, might be some time 
until it comes out on payg.  Not the cheapest option but you could also
consider getting it sim free and using her existing sim card.

A bit cheaper is the 6230i which has got a 1.3mp camera, again, I'm not 
sure which places will have that on payg yet, I'd definatly try checking 
out the carphone warehouse's website though as they have got an online 
comparison thingy.

HTH

go to a shop and find out your self lazy sod

"Jay"  wrote in message
news:4300639c$0$18200$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her
> work.
>
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
>
> Really appreciate your help.
> Thanks in advance.
> JAY
>
>

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:02:49 +0100, "The Cat"
 wrote:


>go to a shop and find out your self lazy sod

This person is asking for help not your lip did it not occur to you
that the person may be disabled in some way and cannot get about etc .

"Jay"  wrote in message
news:4300639c$0$18200$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her
> work.
>
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
>
> Really appreciate your help.
> Thanks in advance.

 Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for it?

In article , The Cat says...

> go to a shop and find out your self lazy sod


Is that you Jenny?

-- 
Michael
Ebay items: http://tinyurl.com/3wfy8

"pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message 
news:yW_Le.7253$CF.49158@news-1.opaltelecom.net...


> Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for it?


Maybe she's self-employed. Maybe she works voluntarily. Maybe she's 
moonlighting.

Ian

Jay wrote:

> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her 
> work.
> 
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
> 
> Really appreciate your help.
> Thanks in advance.
> JAY 
> 
> 

Not sure about payg if you want the latest high quality ones.  I think
the new sony/ericcson W800 is out today which has got a 2mp camera, it's
on offer at various places like carphone warehouse (www.cpw.co.uk) and
the link (www.thelink.co.uk) that's on contract, might be some time 
until it comes out on payg.  Not the cheapest option but you could also
consider getting it sim free and using her existing sim card.

A bit cheaper is the 6230i which has got a 1.3mp camera, again, I'm not 
sure which places will have that on payg yet, I'd definatly try checking 
out the carphone warehouse's website though as they have got an online 
comparison thingy.

HTH

"Jay"  wrote in message
news:4300639c$0$18200$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?





Argos are doing the SonyEricsson T630 for 67.

It has good all round features.

Steven.

"Charlie Mitchell"  wrote in message
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> Jay wrote:
> > Need some advice and help.
> > I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for
her
> > work.
> >
> > Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> > Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
> >


The 3220 from Orange online isn't too bad. Don't know the megapixelage of it
but the phots are useable. Depends exactly what your sister does for work.
Detailed images will need a good camera whereas general snapping won't.

Why not get her a small digital camera instead - the 4.0 megapixel Minolta
G400 is nice and small although it uses a proprietry battery rather than
AA's. Look for optical zoom rather than digital.

"Jay"  wrote in message
news:4300639c$0$18200$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?





Argos are doing the SonyEricsson T630 for 67.

It has good all round features.

Steven.

wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:02:49 +0100, "The Cat"
>  wrote:
>
>>go to a shop and find out your self lazy sod
> This person is asking for help not your lip did it not occur to you
> that the person may be disabled in some way and cannot get about etc .


Or live many miles from the nearest 'rip-offs R us' branch.

"Ian F."  wrote in message
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> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
> news:yW_Le.7253$CF.49158@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
>
> > Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for it?
>
> Maybe she's self-employed. Maybe she works voluntarily. Maybe she's
> moonlighting.

maybe she isn't

wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:02:49 +0100, "The Cat"
>  wrote:
>
>>go to a shop and find out your self lazy sod
> This person is asking for help not your lip did it not occur to you
> that the person may be disabled in some way and cannot get about etc .


Or live many miles from the nearest 'rip-offs R us' branch.

"Ian F."  wrote in message
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> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
> news:yW_Le.7253$CF.49158@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
>
> > Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for it?
>
> Maybe she's self-employed. Maybe she works voluntarily. Maybe she's
> moonlighting.

maybe she isn't

"pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message 
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>
> "Ian F."  wrote in message
> news:3mbcjaF165jmeU1@individual.net...
>> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
>> news:yW_Le.7253$CF.49158@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
>>
>> > Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for it?
>>
>> Maybe she's self-employed. Maybe she works voluntarily. Maybe she's
>> moonlighting.
> maybe she isn't


Maybe its none of your business

"pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message 
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>
> "Ian F."  wrote in message
> news:3mbcjaF165jmeU1@individual.net...
>> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
>> news:yW_Le.7253$CF.49158@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
>>
>> > Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for it?
>>
>> Maybe she's self-employed. Maybe she works voluntarily. Maybe she's
>> moonlighting.
> maybe she isn't


Maybe its none of your business

jay@somehow.com declared for all the world to hear...

> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her 
> work.
> 
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?


If the needs a good one, that would suggest that she has a business need 
to take pictures? In which case there is only one choice really, the 
SonyEricsson K750i.

You will struggle to find this phone cheaply though, as it's a top class 
bit of kit.
-- 
Regards
Jon

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message
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> "Jay"  wrote in message
> news:4300639c$0$18200$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> > Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> > Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
>
>
>
>
> Argos are doing the SonyEricsson T630 for 67.
>
> It has good all round features.
>

Apart from a truly crap camera...
-- 
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

jay@somehow.com declared for all the world to hear...

> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her 
> work.
> 
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?


If the needs a good one, that would suggest that she has a business need 
to take pictures? In which case there is only one choice really, the 
SonyEricsson K750i.

You will struggle to find this phone cheaply though, as it's a top class 
bit of kit.
-- 
Regards
Jon

Someone@microsoft.com declared for all the world to hear...

> The 3220 from Orange online isn't too bad. Don't know the megapixelage of it

0.3

> but the phots are useable.


With respect, no they are not useable for anything other thanMMS 
pictures. Also, getting the photos off the device will require some 
additional hardware.
-- 
Regards
Jon

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message
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> "Jay"  wrote in message
> news:4300639c$0$18200$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> > Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> > Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
>
>
>
>
> Argos are doing the SonyEricsson T630 for 67.
>
> It has good all round features.
>

Apart from a truly crap camera...
-- 
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

"Jay"  wrote in message 
news:4300639c$0$18200$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her 
> work.
>
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?


There's no such thing as a "good camera phone". Low resolution and shite in 
all but bright light ... and a pain to transfer the pictures.

Why not just buy her a half decent camera ?

"oO"  wrote in message news:3mcc1sF160oovU1@individual.net...

>
> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
> news:8m1Me.7254$CF.49373@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
> >
> > "Ian F."  wrote in message
> > news:3mbcjaF165jmeU1@individual.net...
> >> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
> >> news:yW_Le.7253$CF.49158@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
> >>
> >> > Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for
it?
> >>
> >> Maybe she's self-employed. Maybe she works voluntarily. Maybe she's
> >> moonlighting.
> > maybe she isn't
>
> Maybe its none of your business
>
>

 That being the case why post on a public forum. Perhaps we should *all*
mind our own business. Oops, but then nobody would be given any advice re
where to get bargains would they?

"Gizmo"  skrev i meddelandet 
news:L46dnX0U2f3DnZ_eRVnyuQ@giganews.com...


> There's no such thing as a "good camera phone". Low resolution and shite 
> in all but bright light ... and a pain to transfer the pictures.
>
> Why not just buy her a half decent camera ?


Have you tried any of the latest "camera phone" models?

   I used my K750 almost exclusively during my holiday this year and the 
pictures were certainly not "low resolution". Sure, you wont get as good as 
a 5Mpixel camera with optical zoom, but they are definitaly good enough for 
day-to-day usage. I was showing them on a TV screen and the quality was fine 
at usual viewing distance.

   As for transferring the pictures - how is it any harder to transfer 
pictures than with a 'normal' digital camera? I can either pull out the 
memory card and stick it in a card reader, or connnect to the phone direct 
via USB. This is exactly the same as I would do with my Minolta digital 
SLR.....

  I will partly agree with you insofar that there do not seem to be any 
camera phones that can handle really low light conditions yet (although 
indoor lighting and very cloudy/dusk conditions do not seem to be a problem 
for the better models any more)

Niall

"pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message 
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>
> "oO"  wrote in message news:3mcc1sF160oovU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
>> news:8m1Me.7254$CF.49373@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
>> >
>> > "Ian F."  wrote in message
>> > news:3mbcjaF165jmeU1@individual.net...
>> >> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:yW_Le.7253$CF.49158@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
>> >>
>> >> > Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for
> it?
>> >>
>> >> Maybe she's self-employed. Maybe she works voluntarily. Maybe she's
>> >> moonlighting.
>> > maybe she isn't
>>
>> Maybe its none of your business
>>
>>
> That being the case why post on a public forum. Perhaps we should *all*
> mind our own business. Oops, but then nobody would be given any advice re
> where to get bargains would they?


He was asking advice on buying a mobile, I don't think he needs or wants to 
give personal information regarding his life or that of his sister's. It is 
possible to answer his request without such information, such details are 
irrelevant. I'm guessing now that Big Brother has finished you need 
something to fill the void in your life but why not try something else, eh?

"Jay"  wrote in message 
news:4300639c$0$18200$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for her 
> work.
>
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?


There's no such thing as a "good camera phone". Low resolution and shite in 
all but bright light ... and a pain to transfer the pictures.

Why not just buy her a half decent camera ?

"oO"  wrote in message news:3mcc1sF160oovU1@individual.net...

>
> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
> news:8m1Me.7254$CF.49373@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
> >
> > "Ian F."  wrote in message
> > news:3mbcjaF165jmeU1@individual.net...
> >> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
> >> news:yW_Le.7253$CF.49158@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
> >>
> >> > Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for
it?
> >>
> >> Maybe she's self-employed. Maybe she works voluntarily. Maybe she's
> >> moonlighting.
> > maybe she isn't
>
> Maybe its none of your business
>
>

 That being the case why post on a public forum. Perhaps we should *all*
mind our own business. Oops, but then nobody would be given any advice re
where to get bargains would they?

"Gizmo"  skrev i meddelandet 
news:L46dnX0U2f3DnZ_eRVnyuQ@giganews.com...


> There's no such thing as a "good camera phone". Low resolution and shite 
> in all but bright light ... and a pain to transfer the pictures.
>
> Why not just buy her a half decent camera ?


Have you tried any of the latest "camera phone" models?

   I used my K750 almost exclusively during my holiday this year and the 
pictures were certainly not "low resolution". Sure, you wont get as good as 
a 5Mpixel camera with optical zoom, but they are definitaly good enough for 
day-to-day usage. I was showing them on a TV screen and the quality was fine 
at usual viewing distance.

   As for transferring the pictures - how is it any harder to transfer 
pictures than with a 'normal' digital camera? I can either pull out the 
memory card and stick it in a card reader, or connnect to the phone direct 
via USB. This is exactly the same as I would do with my Minolta digital 
SLR.....

  I will partly agree with you insofar that there do not seem to be any 
camera phones that can handle really low light conditions yet (although 
indoor lighting and very cloudy/dusk conditions do not seem to be a problem 
for the better models any more)

Niall

"pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message 
news:pboMe.7272$CF.49648@news-1.opaltelecom.net...

>
> "oO"  wrote in message news:3mcc1sF160oovU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
>> news:8m1Me.7254$CF.49373@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
>> >
>> > "Ian F."  wrote in message
>> > news:3mbcjaF165jmeU1@individual.net...
>> >> "pammyT" <fenlandfowl @talktalk.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:yW_Le.7253$CF.49158@news-1.opaltelecom.net...
>> >>
>> >> > Surely if she needs it for her work, her work should be paying for
> it?
>> >>
>> >> Maybe she's self-employed. Maybe she works voluntarily. Maybe she's
>> >> moonlighting.
>> > maybe she isn't
>>
>> Maybe its none of your business
>>
>>
> That being the case why post on a public forum. Perhaps we should *all*
> mind our own business. Oops, but then nobody would be given any advice re
> where to get bargains would they?


He was asking advice on buying a mobile, I don't think he needs or wants to 
give personal information regarding his life or that of his sister's. It is 
possible to answer his request without such information, such details are 
irrelevant. I'm guessing now that Big Brother has finished you need 
something to fill the void in your life but why not try something else, eh?

Jay wrote:


> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for
> her work.
> 
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
> 
> Really appreciate your help.
> Thanks in advance.
> JAY


Camera phones aren't very good for taking pictures yet - get a proper
camera

--
zaax

Jon wrote:


> jay@somehow.com declared for all the world to hear...
> > Need some advice and help.
> > I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it
> > for her work.
> > 
> > Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> > Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
> 
> If the needs a good one, that would suggest that she has a business
> need to take pictures? In which case there is only one choice really,
> the SonyEricsson K750i.
> 
> You will struggle to find this phone cheaply though, as it's a top
> class bit of kit.


one of the teleco's are doing it for ?30/m on contract

-- 
--
zaax

"zaax"  wrote in message
news:xn0e62poa3avq6000@news.individual.net...

> Jon wrote:
>
> > jay@somehow.com declared for all the world to hear...
> > > Need some advice and help.
> > > I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it
> > > for her work.
> > >
> > > Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> > > Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
> >
> > If the needs a good one, that would suggest that she has a business
> > need to take pictures? In which case there is only one choice really,
> > the SonyEricsson K750i.
> >
> > You will struggle to find this phone cheaply though, as it's a top
> > class bit of kit.
>
> one of the teleco's are doing it for ?30/m on contract


o2 are doing it for 19 a month.

Jay wrote:


> Need some advice and help.
> I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it for
> her work.
> 
> Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
> 
> Really appreciate your help.
> Thanks in advance.
> JAY


Camera phones aren't very good for taking pictures yet - get a proper
camera

--
zaax

Jon wrote:


> jay@somehow.com declared for all the world to hear...
> > Need some advice and help.
> > I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it
> > for her work.
> > 
> > Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> > Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
> 
> If the needs a good one, that would suggest that she has a business
> need to take pictures? In which case there is only one choice really,
> the SonyEricsson K750i.
> 
> You will struggle to find this phone cheaply though, as it's a top
> class bit of kit.


one of the teleco's are doing it for ?30/m on contract

-- 
--
zaax

"zaax"  wrote in message
news:xn0e62poa3avq6000@news.individual.net...

> Jon wrote:
>
> > jay@somehow.com declared for all the world to hear...
> > > Need some advice and help.
> > > I needed a good camera phone to give to my sister as she needs it
> > > for her work.
> > >
> > > Any good phones you can recommend that I can pickup cheaply?
> > > Any PAYG deals which have a camera phone?
> >
> > If the needs a good one, that would suggest that she has a business
> > need to take pictures? In which case there is only one choice really,
> > the SonyEricsson K750i.
> >
> > You will struggle to find this phone cheaply though, as it's a top
> > class bit of kit.
>
> one of the teleco's are doing it for ?30/m on contract


o2 are doing it for 19 a month.

"Lina & Niall" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:3mejtpF169g7kU1@individual.net...

>   I used my K750 almost exclusively during my holiday this year and the 
> pictures were certainly not "low resolution". Sure, you wont get as good 
> as a 5Mpixel camera with optical zoom, but they are definitaly good enough 
> for day-to-day usage. I was showing them on a TV screen and the quality 
> was fine at usual viewing distance.
>
>   As for transferring the pictures - how is it any harder to transfer 
> pictures than with a 'normal' digital camera? I can either pull out the 
> memory card and stick it in a card reader, or connnect to the phone direct 
> via USB. This is exactly the same as I would do with my Minolta digital 
> SLR.....
>
>  I will partly agree with you insofar that there do not seem to be any 
> camera phones that can handle really low light conditions yet (although 
> indoor lighting and very cloudy/dusk conditions do not seem to be a 
> problem for the better models any more)


It's still not really all that great considering how much they charge for 
the handsets SIM free; printing them would show the true faults.

A proper digital camera is a great investment; I bought a 7.2megapixel sony 
DSC-P200 which is way over the top for basic holiday photos, but if you're 
going to print them (in asda/jessops really cheaply, about 5p a normal-size 
snap photo) then it's worth it.

"Lina & Niall" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:3mejtpF169g7kU1@individual.net...

>   I used my K750 almost exclusively during my holiday this year and the 
> pictures were certainly not "low resolution". Sure, you wont get as good 
> as a 5Mpixel camera with optical zoom, but they are definitaly good enough 
> for day-to-day usage. I was showing them on a TV screen and the quality 
> was fine at usual viewing distance.
>
>   As for transferring the pictures - how is it any harder to transfer 
> pictures than with a 'normal' digital camera? I can either pull out the 
> memory card and stick it in a card reader, or connnect to the phone direct 
> via USB. This is exactly the same as I would do with my Minolta digital 
> SLR.....
>
>  I will partly agree with you insofar that there do not seem to be any 
> camera phones that can handle really low light conditions yet (although 
> indoor lighting and very cloudy/dusk conditions do not seem to be a 
> problem for the better models any more)


It's still not really all that great considering how much they charge for 
the handsets SIM free; printing them would show the true faults.

A proper digital camera is a great investment; I bought a 7.2megapixel sony 
DSC-P200 which is way over the top for basic holiday photos, but if you're 
going to print them (in asda/jessops really cheaply, about 5p a normal-size 
snap photo) then it's worth it.

"Taylor"  skrev i meddelandet 
news:psMMe.10009$6i5.6906@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...

> "Lina & Niall" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:3mejtpF169g7kU1@individual.net...
>>   I used my K750 almost exclusively during my holiday this year and the 
>> pictures were certainly not "low resolution".
<snip>
>>   As for transferring the pictures - how is it any harder to transfer 
>> pictures than with a 'normal' digital camera?
<snip>
>>  I will partly agree with you insofar that there do not seem to be any 
>> camera phones that can handle really low light conditions yet
<snip>


> It's still not really all that great considering how much they charge for 
> the handsets SIM free; printing them would show the true faults.
> A proper digital camera is a great investment; I bought a 7.2megapixel 
> sony DSC-P200 which is way over the top for basic holiday photos, but if 
> you're going to print them (in asda/jessops really cheaply, about 5p a 
> normal-size snap photo) then it's worth it.


   Well, I guess "not really all that great" and "good camera phone" are 
pretty vague terms. I'm certainly not going to compare camera phones to a 
'proper' 7.2 Mpixel camera.

   I was reacting to the phrases "Low Resolution", "shite in all but bright 
light" and "pain to transfer the pictures". None of them are really true for 
the better phone cameras.

   The first is obviously relative, but 2Mpixel phone cameras are probably 
good enough for most people most of the time (and yes, I have used a 
'proper' digital camera too, so I know the differences)

The second is an exaggeration, although it contains a small kernel of truth

The third is just plain ridiculous, at least in my experience

The real bonus for me on holiday was that I already had my phone with me 
anyway. My digital SLR got left back at the hotel most of the time, just 
took it with me if I knew I would be taking a lot of photos (especially 
landscape shots) and if I felt the extra bulk would not be an issue

Niall

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>>   I used my K750 almost exclusively during my holiday this year and the 
>> pictures were certainly not "low resolution".
<snip>
>>   As for transferring the pictures - how is it any harder to transfer 
>> pictures than with a 'normal' digital camera?
<snip>
>>  I will partly agree with you insofar that there do not seem to be any 
>> camera phones that can handle really low light conditions yet
<snip>


> It's still not really all that great considering how much they charge for 
> the handsets SIM free; printing them would show the true faults.
> A proper digital camera is a great investment; I bought a 7.2megapixel 
> sony DSC-P200 which is way over the top for basic holiday photos, but if 
> you're going to print them (in asda/jessops really cheaply, about 5p a 
> normal-size snap photo) then it's worth it.


   Well, I guess "not really all that great" and "good camera phone" are 
pretty vague terms. I'm certainly not going to compare camera phones to a 
'proper' 7.2 Mpixel camera.

   I was reacting to the phrases "Low Resolution", "shite in all but bright 
light" and "pain to transfer the pictures". None of them are really true for 
the better phone cameras.

   The first is obviously relative, but 2Mpixel phone cameras are probably 
good enough for most people most of the time (and yes, I have used a 
'proper' digital camera too, so I know the differences)

The second is an exaggeration, although it contains a small kernel of truth

The third is just plain ridiculous, at least in my experience

The real bonus for me on holiday was that I already had my phone with me 
anyway. My digital SLR got left back at the hotel most of the time, just 
took it with me if I knew I would be taking a lot of photos (especially 
landscape shots) and if I felt the extra bulk would not be an issue

Niall