Fetched it home this morning in the wet weather. My god, it's powerful - 
floor it in 3rd and you'll get no acceleration but a bucketload of 
wheelspin! I'm very impressed and thoroughly pleased with it, but fear it 
may be a bit of a handful for everyday driving in the wet. In the 
conditions we had this morning, I never once managed to pull away from a 
standstill without wheelspin!

I'm now thinking about Uniroyals when the tyres need replacing :-) In know 
that part worn P6000s can be a bit dodgy in the wet even on less powerful 
cars. I'll have to work on the driving technique too.

Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models can be 
retrofitted?

-- 
Stuart Sharp

"Stu"  wrote in message 
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.. In the

> conditions we had this morning, I never once managed to pull away from a
> standstill without wheelspin!


Well swap it for a Punto, it's obviously too powerful and you can't control 
control it. You're a danger

"Stu"  wrote in message 
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> Fetched it home this morning in the wet weather. My god, it's powerful -
> floor it in 3rd and you'll get no acceleration but a bucketload of
> wheelspin! I'm very impressed and thoroughly pleased with it, but fear it
> may be a bit of a handful for everyday driving in the wet. In the
> conditions we had this morning, I never once managed to pull away from a
> standstill without wheelspin!
>
> I'm now thinking about Uniroyals when the tyres need replacing :-) In know
> that part worn P6000s can be a bit dodgy in the wet even on less powerful
> cars. I'll have to work on the driving technique too.
>
> Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models can be
> retrofitted?
>
> -- 
> Stuart Sharp


They are great eh? get a lot of good rubber on the front tho. And don't 
expect it to last long.

"Matt"  wrote in
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> 
> "Stu"  wrote in message 
> news:Xns96B1B16D2DEF5nobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
> . In the
>> conditions we had this morning, I never once managed to pull away
>> from a standstill without wheelspin!
> 
> Well swap it for a Punto, it's obviously too powerful and you can't
> control control it. You're a danger 
> 
> 
> 

Nah, you're OK, I'll get used to it :-) Thanks for your offer, though. I 
can see you're only doing it because you're worried ;-)


-- 
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"Stuart Gray" <me@home> wrote in news:1p-dnVpg8duh3WPfRVnyjQ@pipex.net:

> 
> They are great eh? get a lot of good rubber on the front tho. And
> don't expect it to last long. 
> 
> 

Yup. Tyres aren't quite as worn as I though so I should have a little 
while to save up for replacements.

As a follow up to the wheelspin thing, I've been out again, this time on 
drier roads and now feel that there is a slight issue with the car when 
pulling away but I don't think it's wheelspin.

The noise is hard to describe, but it's a kind of whirring and only 
occurs when moving off from dead still. I'm not very happy with that 
description but I haven't had long enough driving it yet.  As soon as the 
car is rolling slightly, no noise can be detected. When coasting, I can 
engage first and move away from a crawl without any noise. It has to be 
dead still. It's always from the gearbox side, but the noise is there 
whether pulling away in 1st or 2nd, so I don't think it's the box itself. 
Could I be hearing a vibration (can't feel anything) from a failing 
engine mount? Or perhaps a slight clutch drag? Any ideas or any Volvo 
owners with a similar experience?

Apart from this everything is tip-top. If I can't get to the bottom of 
it, I may find a local Volvo specialist and get him to diagnose it for 
me. Now that I've got the car and really taken to it, I'd like to iron 
out any problems, minor or (I hope not) otherwise. Will be getting a 
quote for the bumper respray next week, too.


-- 
Stuart Sharp

Stu wrote:


> The noise is hard to describe, but it's a kind of whirring and only
> occurs when moving off from dead still. I'm not very happy with that
> description but I haven't had long enough driving it yet.  As soon as
> the car is rolling slightly, no noise can be detected. When coasting,
> I can engage first and move away from a crawl without any noise. It
> has to be dead still. It's always from the gearbox side, but the
> noise is there whether pulling away in 1st or 2nd, so I don't think
> it's the box itself. Could I be hearing a vibration (can't feel
> anything) from a failing engine mount? Or perhaps a slight clutch
> drag? Any ideas or any Volvo owners with a similar experience?


Couple of things - the crunch at 5-15mph is the ABS system calibrating and 
self testing.

Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has had to 
replace fronts at 80-100k miles.

Engine mounts don't last forever.

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"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in
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> Stu wrote:
> 
>> The noise is hard to describe, but it's a kind of whirring and only
>> occurs when moving off from dead still. I'm not very happy with that
>> description but I haven't had long enough driving it yet.  As soon as
>> the car is rolling slightly, no noise can be detected. When coasting,
>> I can engage first and move away from a crawl without any noise. It
>> has to be dead still. It's always from the gearbox side, but the
>> noise is there whether pulling away in 1st or 2nd, so I don't think
>> it's the box itself. Could I be hearing a vibration (can't feel
>> anything) from a failing engine mount? Or perhaps a slight clutch
>> drag? Any ideas or any Volvo owners with a similar experience?
> 
> Couple of things - the crunch at 5-15mph is the ABS system calibrating
> and self testing.


I don't think it's this because it's every time I move off. I can 
overcome it, but I have to be *very* gentle.

> 
> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has had
> to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.


Yes. The Offside front wheel bearing has been replaced, just over a year 
ago at 86k.  I have a receipt for it. This noise is from the nearside 
front. Do you think that's significant?

> 
> Engine mounts don't last forever.
> 

Top engine mount has been replaced. I'm not sure it's a mount, because 
there's no clunk and I don't feel anything shifting. To try and describe 
it bit better, it's not so much a whirring as a groan that repeats itself 
rapidly. It might possibly be described as a dry bearing type noise. What 
do you reckon?

Thanks for the tips.



-- 
Stuart Sharp

"Stu"  wrote in message
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> Fetched it home this morning in the wet weather. My god, it's powerful -
> floor it in 3rd and you'll get no acceleration but a bucketload of
> wheelspin! I'm very impressed and thoroughly pleased with it, but fear it
> may be a bit of a handful for everyday driving in the wet. In the
> conditions we had this morning, I never once managed to pull away from a
> standstill without wheelspin!


I hope you can get used to it. I'm sure I couldn't after so many years of
driving RWD cars. IME all FWD cars cars suffer from front wheel spin to a
greater or lesser degree


> I'm now thinking about Uniroyals when the tyres need replacing :-) In know
> that part worn P6000s can be a bit dodgy in the wet even on less powerful
> cars. I'll have to work on the driving technique too.


I think driving technique is more important as far as reducing wheelspin is
concerned, than the quality of the tyres.


> Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models can be
> retrofitted?


From the same model would be much easier I'd have thaught. Assuming of
course that it was an option.
Mike.

"Mike G"  wrote in message
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>
> "Stu"  wrote in message
> news:Xns96B1B16D2DEF5nobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
> > Fetched it home this morning in the wet weather. My god, it's powerful -
> > floor it in 3rd and you'll get no acceleration but a bucketload of
> > wheelspin! I'm very impressed and thoroughly pleased with it, but fear
it
> > may be a bit of a handful for everyday driving in the wet. In the
> > conditions we had this morning, I never once managed to pull away from a
> > standstill without wheelspin!
>
> I hope you can get used to it. I'm sure I couldn't after so many years of
> driving RWD cars. IME all FWD cars cars suffer from front wheel spin to a
> greater or lesser degree
>
> > I'm now thinking about Uniroyals when the tyres need replacing :-) In
know
> > that part worn P6000s can be a bit dodgy in the wet even on less
powerful
> > cars. I'll have to work on the driving technique too.
>
> I think driving technique is more important as far as reducing wheelspin
is
> concerned, than the quality of the tyres.


Indeed, as I said the art is to get the car rolling in 1st then change to
2nd quite early and be progressive on the throttle, rather than opening it
to a point and waiting for the car to catch up.



> > Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models can be
> > retrofitted?


Not very easily no.


Tim..

Stu wrote:


>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has
>> had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>
> Yes. The Offside front wheel bearing has been replaced, just over a
> year ago at 86k.  I have a receipt for it. This noise is from the
> nearside front. Do you think that's significant?


If it sounds like the nearside, I'd go with the bearing. Don't get a cheap 
imitation one, mate had one last 15k. Original is the way to go.

I reckon on the bearing, knowing that they go and there's one left to do (my 
nearside is done, offside is going)

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"Mike G"  wrote in
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> 
> "Stu"  wrote in message
> news:Xns96B1B16D2DEF5nobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>> Fetched it home this morning in the wet weather. My god, it's
>> powerful - floor it in 3rd and you'll get no acceleration but a
>> bucketload of wheelspin! I'm very impressed and thoroughly pleased
>> with it, but fear it may be a bit of a handful for everyday driving
>> in the wet. In the conditions we had this morning, I never once
>> managed to pull away from a standstill without wheelspin!
> 
> I hope you can get used to it. I'm sure I couldn't after so many years
> of driving RWD cars. IME all FWD cars cars suffer from front wheel
> spin to a greater or lesser degree.


Hehe...that's the price I pay for not getting an old 540 ;-) Yes, I can 
get used to it - I've only had it for a day amd am already getting to 
grips (pun intended) with it, so I'm sure I'll be fine. Love the car, in 
any case :-)

> 
>> I'm now thinking about Uniroyals when the tyres need replacing :-) In
>> know that part worn P6000s can be a bit dodgy in the wet even on less
>> powerful cars. I'll have to work on the driving technique too.
> 
> I think driving technique is more important as far as reducing
> wheelspin is concerned, than the quality of the tyres.


True. It seems that the noise I was hearing, which I thought was 
wheelspin, may in fact be a mechanical part, probably a wheel bearing. 
Checked eurocarparts - bearings are dear but appear to come as a complete 
unit with the housing, so not too bad a job to change.

> 
>> Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models can
>> be retrofitted?
> 
> From the same model would be much easier I'd have thaught. Assuming of
> course that it was an option.
> Mike.
> 
> 

Yes, it was an option and was fitted as standard from 98 onwards. 
Obviously, Volvo knew of the problem and decided that something had to be 
done about it. After the 850, the S70 had it's mapping altered to reduce 
raw power at low revs, but increase the peak power slightly. This was to 
improve driveability at low speeds and when setting off and the like, but 
there's still a substantial amount of grunt to handle. In any case, 
having had a couple of runs, I now feel more confident that I can 
overcome it with good driving technique :-)


-- 
Stuart Sharp

"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in
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> Stu wrote:
> 
>>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has
>>> had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>>
>> Yes. The Offside front wheel bearing has been replaced, just over a
>> year ago at 86k.  I have a receipt for it. This noise is from the
>> nearside front. Do you think that's significant?
> 
> If it sounds like the nearside, I'd go with the bearing. Don't get a
> cheap imitation one, mate had one last 15k. Original is the way to go.
> 
> I reckon on the bearing, knowing that they go and there's one left to
> do (my nearside is done, offside is going)
> 

Cheers, Tim. I've no intention of skimping on parts, but I'm not sure which 
to go for: Eurocarparts have one type in either Scantech or Orbis and the 
other type is Ruville. From the photos, it looks like you can tell which 
type you have from the shape, without having to get a vernier and measure 
the hub face. But I've never heard of any of these bearing manufacturers. 
Are they any good or should I go with the OEM part from Volvo/Nordic?


-- 
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"Tim.."  wrote in
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> 
> "Mike G"  wrote in message
> news:42fe6fc5$0$1235$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>>
>> "Stu"  wrote in message
>> news:Xns96B1B16D2DEF5nobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>> > Fetched it home this morning in the wet weather. My god, it's
>> > powerful - floor it in 3rd and you'll get no acceleration but a
>> > bucketload of wheelspin! I'm very impressed and thoroughly pleased
>> > with it, but fear 
> it
>> > may be a bit of a handful for everyday driving in the wet. In the
>> > conditions we had this morning, I never once managed to pull away
>> > from a standstill without wheelspin!
>>
>> I hope you can get used to it. I'm sure I couldn't after so many
>> years of driving RWD cars. IME all FWD cars cars suffer from front
>> wheel spin to a greater or lesser degree
>>
>> > I'm now thinking about Uniroyals when the tyres need replacing :-)
>> > In 
> know
>> > that part worn P6000s can be a bit dodgy in the wet even on less
> powerful
>> > cars. I'll have to work on the driving technique too.
>>
>> I think driving technique is more important as far as reducing
>> wheelspin 
> is
>> concerned, than the quality of the tyres.
> 
> Indeed, as I said the art is to get the car rolling in 1st then change
> to 2nd quite early and be progressive on the throttle, rather than
> opening it to a point and waiting for the car to catch up.
> 


I'm getting the hang of that now, although even foot down in third can 
result in massive wheelspin if the road is wet :-). The real problem was 
that I thought I was wheelspinning when setting off, when  in fact it 
seems to be a minor mechanical issue. See the other post relating to 
noises and wheel bearings etc


>> > Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models
>> > can be retrofitted?
> 
> Not very easily no.
> 

Don't think that'll be a problem now. As a driver, I may not have the 
greatest reaction times, but I'm pretty smooth ;-)

> 
> 




-- 
Stuart Sharp

Stu wrote:


> Cheers, Tim. I've no intention of skimping on parts, but I'm not sure
> which to go for: Eurocarparts have one type in either Scantech or
> Orbis and the other type is Ruville. From the photos, it looks like
> you can tell which type you have from the shape, without having to
> get a vernier and measure the hub face. But I've never heard of any
> of these bearing manufacturers. Are they any good or should I go with
> the OEM part from Volvo/Nordic?


Go to your Volvo dealer with a chassis number, if you've got a mate in the 
trade get him to get it as trade discounts are significant on parts - 15 to 
35% on most things.

OE parts are the way to go I'm afraid for most things, the only things 
you'll see recommended for non OE are brakes and turbos...


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"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in
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> Stu wrote:
> 
>> Cheers, Tim. I've no intention of skimping on parts, but I'm not sure
>> which to go for: Eurocarparts have one type in either Scantech or
>> Orbis and the other type is Ruville. From the photos, it looks like
>> you can tell which type you have from the shape, without having to
>> get a vernier and measure the hub face. But I've never heard of any
>> of these bearing manufacturers. Are they any good or should I go with
>> the OEM part from Volvo/Nordic?
> 
> Go to your Volvo dealer with a chassis number, if you've got a mate in
> the trade get him to get it as trade discounts are significant on
> parts - 15 to 35% on most things.


To say the least. The guy I bought it off has used Mobil 1 oil and I have 
the receipts for it. Standard price is 3.50 per half litre, he has paid 
0.75/0.5l! He has paid about 35 for a 55 new battery and has replaced 
a few other bits at a large discount. He's  also fitted an OEM strut 
brace, which he says stiffened the front end up quite a bit. This cost 
him am measly 55 (god knows what the real price is). But after all's 
said and done, I don't know any Volvo dealer staff. I intend to join the 
Volvo owner's club and then hope to receive a decent discount on OEM 
parts from Nordic, not to mention lots of good advice!

> 
> OE parts are the way to go I'm afraid for most things, the only things
> you'll see recommended for non OE are brakes and turbos...
> 

Pads are brand new, turbo seems fine - certainly works and doesn't make 
any strange noises. Just need to get into the habit of not switching off 
straight away, although I live in a built up area so the last couple of 
miles is always driven steadily.



-- 
Stuart Sharp

>>
>>> Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models can
>>> be retrofitted?
>>

>>
>>
> Yes, it was an option and was fitted as standard from 98 onwards.


I had a new 850 in 94 and the cruise control was a dealer fit option at that 
time.

John

"John W"  wrote in
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>>>
>>>> Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models
>>>> can be retrofitted?
>>>
> 
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, it was an option and was fitted as standard from 98 onwards.
> 
> I had a new 850 in 94 and the cruise control was a dealer fit option
> at that time.
> 
> John 
> 

It was traction control that I was interested in. Cruise control would be 
nice, but there's not much oppurtunity to use it these days, so I doubt 
I'll be bothering with the expense of having it fitted.

As a follow up to the noise when setting off, I did a couple of searches 
for 'whine' and 'groan' on the Volvo forums and found the same problem 
described by others. Opinion is that it's a dry clutch release bearing. 
That would make sense as the noise only occurs when letting the clutch 
in. Apparently, it's something that can be left alone until the clutch 
wears out.



-- 
Stuart Sharp

"Stu"  wrote in message
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> "Tim S Kemp" <news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk
> wrote in
> > Go to your Volvo dealer with a chassis number, if you've got a mate in
> > the trade get him to get it as trade discounts are significant on
> > parts - 15 to 35% on most things.
>
> To say the least. The guy I bought it off has used Mobil 1 oil and I have
> the receipts for it. Standard price is 3.50 per half litre, he has paid
> 0.75/0.5l! He has paid about 35 for a 55 new battery and has replaced
> a few other bits at a large discount. He's  also fitted an OEM strut
> brace, which he says stiffened the front end up quite a bit. This cost
> him am measly 55 (god knows what the real price is).


In that case I'd ask the guy to buy the OEM bearing for me. You pay him for
it of course.
It wouldn't be unreasonable request IMO, seeing as you've only just baught
the car from him.
Mike.

"Mike G"  wrote in
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> 
> "Stu"  wrote in message
> news:Xns96B2187EB7F0nobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>> "Tim S Kemp" <news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk
>> wrote in
>> > Go to your Volvo dealer with a chassis number, if you've got a mate
>> > in the trade get him to get it as trade discounts are significant
>> > on parts - 15 to 35% on most things.
>>
>> To say the least. The guy I bought it off has used Mobil 1 oil and I
>> have the receipts for it. Standard price is 3.50 per half litre, he
>> has paid 0.75/0.5l! He has paid about 35 for a 55 new battery and
>> has replaced a few other bits at a large discount. He's  also fitted
>> an OEM strut brace, which he says stiffened the front end up quite a
>> bit. This cost him am measly 55 (god knows what the real price is).
> 
> In that case I'd ask the guy to buy the OEM bearing for me. You pay
> him for it of course.
> It wouldn't be unreasonable request IMO, seeing as you've only just
> baught the car from him.
> Mike.
> 
> 

Yes, I had thought of that, as I'm sure he'd be glad to do that for me. I 
don't think it is the wheel bearing, though - see my other post.


-- 
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"Stu"  wrote in message
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> "Mike G"  wrote in
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>
> >
> > "Stu"  wrote in message
> > news:Xns96B2187EB7F0nobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
> >> "Tim S Kemp" <news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk
> >> wrote in
> >> > Go to your Volvo dealer with a chassis number, if you've got a mate
> >> > in the trade get him to get it as trade discounts are significant
> >> > on parts - 15 to 35% on most things.
> >>
> >> To say the least. The guy I bought it off has used Mobil 1 oil and I
> >> have the receipts for it. Standard price is 3.50 per half litre, he
> >> has paid 0.75/0.5l! He has paid about 35 for a 55 new battery and
> >> has replaced a few other bits at a large discount. He's  also fitted
> >> an OEM strut brace, which he says stiffened the front end up quite a
> >> bit. This cost him am measly 55 (god knows what the real price is).
> >
> > In that case I'd ask the guy to buy the OEM bearing for me. You pay
> > him for it of course.
> > It wouldn't be unreasonable request IMO, seeing as you've only just
> > baught the car from him.
> > Mike.
> >
> >
> Yes, I had thought of that, as I'm sure he'd be glad to do that for me. I
> don't think it is the wheel bearing, though - see my other post.


I saw it. My post appeared at the same time.
All the same, it would appear that buying a wheel bearing now, especially if
you can get a hefty discount, might be a good investment.:-)
It's always handy to have the part at hand when things need to be replaced.
I normally always have a set of pads on standby, as I tend to change them
when they're nearing worn out, at a time convenient to me.
Mike.

"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message 
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> Stu wrote:
>
>> The noise is hard to describe, but it's a kind of whirring and only
>> occurs when moving off from dead still. I'm not very happy with that
>> description but I haven't had long enough driving it yet.  As soon as
>> the car is rolling slightly, no noise can be detected. When coasting,
>> I can engage first and move away from a crawl without any noise. It
>> has to be dead still. It's always from the gearbox side, but the
>> noise is there whether pulling away in 1st or 2nd, so I don't think
>> it's the box itself. Could I be hearing a vibration (can't feel
>> anything) from a failing engine mount? Or perhaps a slight clutch
>> drag? Any ideas or any Volvo owners with a similar experience?
>
> Couple of things - the crunch at 5-15mph is the ABS system calibrating and 
> self testing.


!Ding.  Our small Ford does that but only the first time you reach that 
speed from cold.


> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has had to 
> replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>
> Engine mounts don't last forever.



Less so on the drag strip. :)

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"Stu"  wrote in message 
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> "John W"  wrote in
> news:42ff1c40$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
>
>>>>
>>>>> Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models
>>>>> can be retrofitted?
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, it was an option and was fitted as standard from 98 onwards.
>>
>> I had a new 850 in 94 and the cruise control was a dealer fit option
>> at that time.
>>
>> John
>>
> It was traction control that I was interested in. Cruise control would be
> nice, but there's not much oppurtunity to use it these days, so I doubt
> I'll be bothering with the expense of having it fitted.



I use ours for a significant chunk of my driving.

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> "Stu"  wrote in message 
> news:Xns96B2841C0BEEBnobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>> "John W"  wrote in
>> news:42ff1c40$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models
>>>>>> can be retrofitted?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, it was an option and was fitted as standard from 98 onwards.
>>>
>>> I had a new 850 in 94 and the cruise control was a dealer fit option
>>> at that time.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> It was traction control that I was interested in. Cruise control
>> would be nice, but there's not much oppurtunity to use it these days,
>> so I doubt I'll be bothering with the expense of having it fitted.
> 
> 
> I use ours for a significant chunk of my driving.
> 


Depends on the roads you're using I suppose. I know that keeping your 
speed steady is very important to maintain a good mpg, but the initial 
cost of a good aftermarket system is quite high. The problem with trying 
to keep a steady speed on the motorway is the fact that you find yourself 
overtaking a lot of vehicles at a rate of 5mph or less, with some prat 
stuck to your rear bumper, applying pressure for you to clear the way for 
him. I find this very annoying. Not only is it rude, but it compromises 
my safety, so the best way to deal with it as a gentle touch of 
acceleration to get past quicker. This is why I sometimes find it 
difficult to safely maintain a steady cruise. Sometimes, I get really 
pissed off with tailgaters and react by slowing down, but people with 
this sort of mentality are often too stupid to understand the statement.


-- 
Stuart Sharp

"DervMan"  wrote in
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> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message 
> news:TuOdnZ2dnZ026s2EnZ2dnZ7PY9-dnZ2dRVn-0Z2dnZ0@karoo.co.uk...

>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has
>> had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>>
>> Engine mounts don't last forever.
> 
> 
> Less so on the drag strip. :)
> 

You take your 1.3l Ka drag racing!?


-- 
Stuart Sharp

Stu wrote:


> Pads are brand new, turbo seems fine - certainly works and doesn't
> make any strange noises. Just need to get into the habit of not
> switching off straight away, although I live in a built up area so
> the last couple of miles is always driven steadily.


People change the discs and pads for better repeat performance - OE ones 
don't like repeated hard use (fast country roads, you need to shed a lot of 
speed before corners...) and warp / fade. As for turbos the main issue is 
that the stock ones (depending on year) are only good for 280-310 bhp...


-- 
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Mike G wrote:


> It's always handy to have the part at hand when things need to be
> replaced. I normally always have a set of pads on standby, as I tend
> to change them when they're nearing worn out, at a time convenient to
> me.
> Mike.


One thing about OE volvo parts is that they are almost always available next 
day from Sweden...

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"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in
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> Stu wrote:
> 
>> Pads are brand new, turbo seems fine - certainly works and doesn't
>> make any strange noises. Just need to get into the habit of not
>> switching off straight away, although I live in a built up area so
>> the last couple of miles is always driven steadily.
> 
> People change the discs and pads for better repeat performance - OE
> ones don't like repeated hard use (fast country roads, you need to
> shed a lot of speed before corners...) and warp / fade. As for turbos
> the main issue is that the stock ones (depending on year) are only
> good for 280-310 bhp... 
> 
> 

Disc & pads are new, so I won't be changing them unless they warp as you 
describe. Obviously, you feel that 240bhp isn't enough for a FWD car :-) 
Just out of interest, how much did you pay for your ECU mod?


-- 
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Stu wrote:

> "DervMan"  wrote in
> news:5HILe.7271$CM.6605@newsfe7-win.ntli.net:
>
>> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
>> news:TuOdnZ2dnZ026s2EnZ2dnZ7PY9-dnZ2dRVn-0Z2dnZ0@karoo.co.uk...
>
>>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has
>>> had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>>>
>>> Engine mounts don't last forever.
>>
>>
>> Less so on the drag strip. :)
>>
> You take your 1.3l Ka drag racing!?


May I suggest you visit www.dervman.com

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Stu wrote:


> Disc & pads are new, so I won't be changing them unless they warp as
> you describe. Obviously, you feel that 240bhp isn't enough for a FWD
> car :-) Just out of interest, how much did you pay for your ECU mod?


From memory it wad 550 quid (mine's a 180bhp 2.0T, not a T5, so I now have 
225 bhp ish).

You can never have enough power - there's a Rica 400bhp kit for the T5 - 
pricey but maybe worth it when you're at the mileage when you fancy a new 
turbo and a few other bits.



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"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
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> Mike G wrote:
>
> > It's always handy to have the part at hand when things need to be
> > replaced. I normally always have a set of pads on standby, as I tend
> > to change them when they're nearing worn out, at a time convenient to
> > me.
> > Mike.
>
> One thing about OE volvo parts is that they are almost always available
next
> day from Sweden...


As much as anything I was thinking of the hefty discount that Stu might be
able to get. For a part that he'll most likely need sometime in the future,
if only one side has been replaced.
My idea of having a set of pads handy, is for the convenience they give.
Means I can fit them whenever I feel like it. Without the need for any
forward planning.
Sunday on the spur of the moment, for example.
Mike.

Mike G wrote:


> My idea of having a set of pads handy, is for the convenience they
> give. Means I can fit them whenever I feel like it. Without the need
> for any forward planning.
> Sunday on the spur of the moment, for example.


There is that.

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"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in news:L9WdnV53D5SBHGLfRVn-
3w@karoo.co.uk:


> Mike G wrote:
> 
>> My idea of having a set of pads handy, is for the convenience they
>> give. Means I can fit them whenever I feel like it. Without the need
>> for any forward planning.
>> Sunday on the spur of the moment, for example.
> 
> There is that.
> 


I don't really want to use any cash up on stockpiling parts until I've 
found and sorted all the little niggles.

Latest couple of things: 1)The instrument lighting rheostat module is loose 
because it's retaining clip is broken. I'll keep an eye on the scrappies, 
but for now I'll just pack it with some blu-tack to make it stay firmly in 
place. 2)The stereo performance is excellent from the rear speakers but 
weak at the front. With the fader set all the way to the front, the sound 
is dull and flat. I've listened closely to each speaker and the two 
dashboard mounted tweeters don't appear to be working. I don't yet know if 
this is down to the head unit or an external crossover, or if both speakers 
have failed. I'll have to investigate further after I've purchased a Haynes 
BOL.

-- 
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> "DervMan"  wrote in
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>
> > "Stu"  wrote in message
> > news:Xns96B2841C0BEEBnobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
> >> "John W"  wrote in
> >> news:42ff1c40$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models
> >>>>>> can be retrofitted?
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Yes, it was an option and was fitted as standard from 98 onwards.
> >>>
> >>> I had a new 850 in 94 and the cruise control was a dealer fit option
> >>> at that time.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >> It was traction control that I was interested in. Cruise control
> >> would be nice, but there's not much oppurtunity to use it these days,
> >> so I doubt I'll be bothering with the expense of having it fitted.
> >
> >
> > I use ours for a significant chunk of my driving.
> >
>
> Depends on the roads you're using I suppose. I know that keeping your
> speed steady is very important to maintain a good mpg, but the initial
> cost of a good aftermarket system is quite high. The problem with trying
> to keep a steady speed on the motorway is the fact that you find yourself
> overtaking a lot of vehicles at a rate of 5mph or less, with some prat
> stuck to your rear bumper, applying pressure for you to clear the way for
> him. I find this very annoying. Not only is it rude, but it compromises
> my safety, so the best way to deal with it as a gentle touch of
> acceleration to get past quicker.


Most cruise systems allow a certain amount of overide before they trip.
It does on both my BMW and SD1 Vitesse.
IOW if say set at 70mph, you can use the accelerater to increase the speed
by maybe as much as 10mph. Release the accelerator, and it goes back to the
70mph setting without tripping.
Mike.

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> Nah, you're OK, I'll get used to it :-) Thanks for your offer, though. I
> can see you're only doing it because you're worried ;-


No offence intended.
You seem a nice chap!

Mike G wrote:

> "Stu"  wrote in message
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> 
>>"DervMan"  wrote in
>>news:DHILe.7273$CM.5021@newsfe7-win.ntli.net:
>>
>>
>>>"Stu"  wrote in message
>>>news:Xns96B2841C0BEEBnobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>>>
>>>>"John W"  wrote in
>>>>news:42ff1c40$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later models
>>>>>>>>can be retrofitted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, it was an option and was fitted as standard from 98 onwards.
>>>>>
>>>>>I had a new 850 in 94 and the cruise control was a dealer fit option
>>>>>at that time.
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It was traction control that I was interested in. Cruise control
>>>>would be nice, but there's not much oppurtunity to use it these days,
>>>>so I doubt I'll be bothering with the expense of having it fitted.
>>>
>>>
>>>I use ours for a significant chunk of my driving.
>>>
>>
>>Depends on the roads you're using I suppose. I know that keeping your
>>speed steady is very important to maintain a good mpg, but the initial
>>cost of a good aftermarket system is quite high. The problem with trying
>>to keep a steady speed on the motorway is the fact that you find yourself
>>overtaking a lot of vehicles at a rate of 5mph or less, with some prat
>>stuck to your rear bumper, applying pressure for you to clear the way for
>>him. I find this very annoying. Not only is it rude, but it compromises
>>my safety, so the best way to deal with it as a gentle touch of
>>acceleration to get past quicker.
> 
> 
> Most cruise systems allow a certain amount of overide before they trip.
> It does on both my BMW and SD1 Vitesse.
> IOW if say set at 70mph, you can use the accelerater to increase the speed
> by maybe as much as 10mph. Release the accelerator, and it goes back to the
> 70mph setting without tripping.


The cruise control on my Carlton would maintain a speed once set.  As 
long as you didn't touch the brakes or disengage the system manually you 
could use the accelerator to go as fast as you wanted for as long as you 
liked.  Once you lifted off, the car would slow until it reached the 
cruise controlled speed then would continue on its merry way at that speed.

I'm not sure if this is what Stu was getting at.

Douglas.

Douglas Payne  wrote in
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> Mike G wrote:
>> "Stu"  wrote in message
>> news:Xns96B2A617CF7CDnobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>> 
>>>"DervMan"  wrote in
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>>>
>>>
>>>>"Stu"  wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>>"John W"  wrote in
>>>>>news:42ff1c40$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Now, does anyone know if the cruise control found on later
>>>>>>>>>models can be retrofitted?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, it was an option and was fitted as standard from 98 onwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I had a new 850 in 94 and the cruise control was a dealer fit
>>>>>>option at that time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It was traction control that I was interested in. Cruise control
>>>>>would be nice, but there's not much oppurtunity to use it these
>>>>>days, so I doubt I'll be bothering with the expense of having it
>>>>>fitted. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I use ours for a significant chunk of my driving.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Depends on the roads you're using I suppose. I know that keeping your
>>>speed steady is very important to maintain a good mpg, but the
>>>initial cost of a good aftermarket system is quite high. The problem
>>>with trying to keep a steady speed on the motorway is the fact that
>>>you find yourself overtaking a lot of vehicles at a rate of 5mph or
>>>less, with some prat stuck to your rear bumper, applying pressure for
>>>you to clear the way for him. I find this very annoying. Not only is
>>>it rude, but it compromises my safety, so the best way to deal with
>>>it as a gentle touch of acceleration to get past quicker.
>> 
>> 
>> Most cruise systems allow a certain amount of overide before they
>> trip. It does on both my BMW and SD1 Vitesse.
>> IOW if say set at 70mph, you can use the accelerater to increase the
>> speed by maybe as much as 10mph. Release the accelerator, and it goes
>> back to the 70mph setting without tripping.
> 
> The cruise control on my Carlton would maintain a speed once set.  As 
> long as you didn't touch the brakes or disengage the system manually
> you could use the accelerator to go as fast as you wanted for as long
> as you liked.  Once you lifted off, the car would slow until it
> reached the cruise controlled speed then would continue on its merry
> way at that speed. 
> 
> I'm not sure if this is what Stu was getting at.
> 
> Douglas.


I see now. Didn't realise you could accelerate without disengaging the 
cruise mode.

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> Douglas Payne  wrote in

> >> Most cruise systems allow a certain amount of overide before they
> >> trip. It does on both my BMW and SD1 Vitesse.
> >> IOW if say set at 70mph, you can use the accelerater to increase the
> >> speed by maybe as much as 10mph. Release the accelerator, and it goes
> >> back to the 70mph setting without tripping.
> >
> > The cruise control on my Carlton would maintain a speed once set.  As
> > long as you didn't touch the brakes or disengage the system manually
> > you could use the accelerator to go as fast as you wanted for as long
> > as you liked.  Once you lifted off, the car would slow until it
> > reached the cruise controlled speed then would continue on its merry
> > way at that speed.
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is what Stu was getting at.
> >
> > Douglas.
>
> I see now. Didn't realise you could accelerate without disengaging the
> cruise mode.


Just checked my BMW handbook. It says "The controlled speed is abandoned and
must be selected again if the car exceeds the memorised value by more than
10km/h for longer than one minute"
Looks like different cruise controls have different basic settings. AFAIK
though all allow acceleration to some degree without disengaging altogether.
Mike.

Mike G wrote:

> "Stu"  wrote in message


	[...]

Glad you're enjoying the T5 /almost/ as much as a V8 beemer.   :)


>> I see now. Didn't realise you could accelerate without disengaging
>> the cruise mode.
> 
> Just checked my BMW handbook. It says "The controlled speed is
> abandoned and must be selected again if the car exceeds the memorised
> value by more than 10km/h for longer than one minute"


That sounds about right. :)

You can do *quick* overtakes and let the cruise resume but if you
actively drive faster for a while it cancels...

....but you can still hit resume for last set speed, until(?) you switch off.


> Looks like different cruise controls have different basic settings.
> AFAIK though all allow acceleration to some degree without
> disengaging altogether.


Mercedes CC behaves much the same, don't know any others.




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"Mike G"  wrote in message
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>
>
> Most cruise systems allow a certain amount of overide before they trip.
> It does on both my BMW and SD1 Vitesse.
> IOW if say set at 70mph, you can use the accelerater to increase the speed
> by maybe as much as 10mph. Release the accelerator, and it goes back to
the
> 70mph setting without tripping.
> Mike.


As it's relevant to the OP's car, cruise on the S70 (almost certainly the
same for 850s) doesn't trip with acceleration, you can speed up plenty, and
it will still continue once you leave the throttle pedal alone. However, if
it's a manual, dipping the clutch to change gear would cancel it, but I've
never had it cancel just for accelerating.

"Alistair J Murray"  wrote in message
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> Mike G wrote:
> > Just checked my BMW handbook. It says "The controlled speed is
> > abandoned and must be selected again if the car exceeds the memorised
> > value by more than 10km/h for longer than one minute"
>
> That sounds about right. :)
>
> You can do *quick* overtakes and let the cruise resume but if you
> actively drive faster for a while it cancels...


On S70s, I've not had it cancel for driving faster than the set speed - even
if you do it for quite a while. My S70 is an auto, so no clutch cancelling.

I've heard some forum people say it doesn't work above 125 mph - presumably
they came to that discovery on the autobahns ;-)


> ...but you can still hit resume for last set speed, until(?) you switch

off.

And there's always that.

I only have to cancel it (by very quickly tapping the brake pedal) around
the time I'd lift off the throttle to gently slow, on the motorway. Which in
itself is takes more adapting too, because of getting a whole deal less
engine braking in an auto.

But I never find it cancels because of driving quicker, or overtaking, even
for prolonged periods. So long as I haven't either switched it off, or
tapped the brakes, as soon as I leave the throttle alone, it maintains the
set speed.

Not really advisable, I guess, because if you've been driving a while
without using it's effects, it can be a little disconcerting if you've
forgotten, and we just leaving the throttle alone to gently slow down.


> > Looks like different cruise controls have different basic settings.
> > AFAIK though all allow acceleration to some degree without
> > disengaging altogether.
>
> Mercedes CC behaves much the same, don't know any others.


One of the features of aftermarket systems I'd like, which would be good for
a lot of motorway miles, would be two memories for active settings - one for
roadwork settings on the motorway, the other for normal speeds. Good for
long journeys, were you encounter roadworks more than once, at the same
reduced speed.

Douglas Hall wrote:

> "Alistair J Murray"  wrote in message
> news:jt35t2-88n.ln1@florin.fluffy...
> 
>>Mike G wrote:
>>
>>>Just checked my BMW handbook. It says "The controlled speed is
>>>abandoned and must be selected again if the car exceeds the memorised
>>>value by more than 10km/h for longer than one minute"
>>
>>That sounds about right. :)
>>
>>You can do *quick* overtakes and let the cruise resume but if you
>>actively drive faster for a while it cancels...
> 
> 
> On S70s, I've not had it cancel for driving faster than the set speed - even
> if you do it for quite a while. My S70 is an auto, so no clutch cancelling.
> 
> I've heard some forum people say it doesn't work above 125 mph - presumably
> they came to that discovery on the autobahns ;-)


Heh, I read on a Senator (similar in many ways to my Carlton) forum that 
one user managed an average of ~16mpg at a cruise controlled, indicated 
150mph in his 24v Senator.


>>...but you can still hit resume for last set speed, until(?) you switch
> 
> off.
> 
> And there's always that.
> 
> I only have to cancel it (by very quickly tapping the brake pedal) around
> the time I'd lift off the throttle to gently slow, on the motorway. Which in
> itself is takes more adapting too, because of getting a whole deal less
> engine braking in an auto.


<uk.rec.driving mode>
In similar situations I used to just press the cancel button rather than 
risk unexpectedly presenting vehicles behind me with brake lights.  If 
the situation warranted using the brakes, I'd use the brakes.
</urdm>

Anyway, I didn't use it much, it was just a novelty for most of the 
driving I did in it, and now I've got a smaller car thats more fun to 
drive on twisty roads in a manner that involves more slowing down and 
speeding up.


> But I never find it cancels because of driving quicker, or overtaking, even
> for prolonged periods. So long as I haven't either switched it off, or
> tapped the brakes, as soon as I leave the throttle alone, it maintains the
> set speed.
> 
> Not really advisable, I guess, because if you've been driving a while
> without using it's effects, it can be a little disconcerting if you've
> forgotten, and we just leaving the throttle alone to gently slow down.


I found it a bit disconcerting in the Carlton when I forgot I had 
engaged the CC.  Sounds like thats why the BMWs and Mercedes' systems 
switch off after a while.


>>>Looks like different cruise controls have different basic settings.
>>>AFAIK though all allow acceleration to some degree without
>>>disengaging altogether.
>>
>>Mercedes CC behaves much the same, don't know any others.
> 
> 
> One of the features of aftermarket systems I'd like, which would be good for
> a lot of motorway miles, would be two memories for active settings - one for
> roadwork settings on the motorway, the other for normal speeds. Good for
> long journeys, were you encounter roadworks more than once, at the same
> reduced speed.


Heh, is it really that much inconvenience to set it to a lower speed, 
then reset it again after you've been in roadworks?  Many systems have a 
button to increase speed, you wouldn't have to use the accelerator at 
all! (c:

Douglas

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> Douglas Hall wrote:
> > "Alistair J Murray"  wrote in message
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> > One of the features of aftermarket systems I'd like, which would be good
for
> > a lot of motorway miles, would be two memories for active settings - one
for
> > roadwork settings on the motorway, the other for normal speeds. Good for
> > long journeys, were you encounter roadworks more than once, at the same
> > reduced speed.
>
> Heh, is it really that much inconvenience to set it to a lower speed,
> then reset it again after you've been in roadworks?  Many systems have a
> button to increase speed, you wouldn't have to use the accelerator at
> all! (c:


On My BM the set speed can be increased by holding the CC lever forwards, or
backwards to reduce speed. When it's released, it's stays at that speed.
A quick flick in either direction, increases or reduces the speed by aprox
1km/h.
Just for fun I've occasionally used the feature to overtake or slow down on
the m/w, instead of using the accelerator.
Mike.

Douglas Payne wrote:

> Douglas Hall wrote:


	[...cruise...]


>> I've heard some forum people say it doesn't work above 125 mph - 
>> presumably they came to that discovery on the autobahns ;-)
> 
> Heh, I read on a Senator (similar in many ways to my Carlton) forum
> that one user managed an average of ~16mpg at a cruise controlled,
> indicated 150mph in his 24v Senator.


That sounds about right - I'm told that's what I should expect at
150-160 cruise from my B10, getting very rapidly worse closer to Vmax(~172).

I'll know next week.  :)




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> "DervMan"  wrote in
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>> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
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>
>>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has
>>> had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>>>
>>> Engine mounts don't last forever.
>>
>>
>> Less so on the drag strip. :)
>>
> You take your 1.3l Ka drag racing!?



Dude, I take our 1.3 Ka to Silverstone.

www.dervman.com/forum/kermittd.jpg

:)

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> "Stu"  wrote in message 
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>> "DervMan"  wrote in
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>>
>>> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
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>>
>>>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has
>>>> had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>>>>
>>>> Engine mounts don't last forever.
>>>
>>>
>>> Less so on the drag strip. :)
>>>
>> You take your 1.3l Ka drag racing!?
> 
> 
> Dude, I take our 1.3 Ka to Silverstone.
> 
> www.dervman.com/forum/kermittd.jpg
> 
>:)
> 

Cool! Was that the complete circuit or the little Stowe circuit? What we 
need is a UKRCM track day....


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Alistair J Murray  wrote in
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> Douglas Payne wrote:
>> Douglas Hall wrote:
> 
>      [...cruise...]
> 
>>> I've heard some forum people say it doesn't work above 125 mph - 
>>> presumably they came to that discovery on the autobahns ;-)
>> 
>> Heh, I read on a Senator (similar in many ways to my Carlton) forum
>> that one user managed an average of ~16mpg at a cruise controlled,
>> indicated 150mph in his 24v Senator.
> 
> That sounds about right - I'm told that's what I should expect at
> 150-160 cruise from my B10, getting very rapidly worse closer to
> Vmax(~172). 
> 
> I'll know next week.  :)
> 
> 

Off on a trip to Germany? Not getting one of those insane supercharger kits 
fitted, are you? :-)



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>>> news:5HILe.7271$CM.6605@newsfe7-win.ntli.net:
>>>
>>>> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
>>>> news:TuOdnZ2dnZ026s2EnZ2dnZ7PY9-dnZ2dRVn-0Z2dnZ0@karoo.co.uk...
>>>
>>>>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has
>>>>> had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine mounts don't last forever.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Less so on the drag strip. :)
>>>>
>>> You take your 1.3l Ka drag racing!?
>>
>>
>> Dude, I take our 1.3 Ka to Silverstone.
>>
>> www.dervman.com/forum/kermittd.jpg
>>
>>:)
>>
> Cool! Was that the complete circuit or the little Stowe circuit? What we
> need is a UKRCM track day....



That was the International one, 2.3 miles.

You want to go on the track at the same time as some of these nutters! :)

Actually that's not a bad idea...

-- 
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www.dervman.com

DervMan wrote:


>> Cool! Was that the complete circuit or the little Stowe circuit?
>> What we need is a UKRCM track day....
>
>
> That was the International one, 2.3 miles.
>
> You want to go on the track at the same time as some of these
> nutters! :)
> Actually that's not a bad idea...


.... until some twat turns up in a fancy-schmancy snobbed up BMW.

-- 
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Douglas Payne wrote:

> Douglas Hall wrote:
>
>> I've heard some forum people say it doesn't work above 125 mph -
>> presumably they came to that discovery on the autobahns ;-)
>
> Heh, I read on a Senator (similar in many ways to my Carlton) forum
> that one user managed an average of ~16mpg at a cruise controlled,
> indicated 150mph in his 24v Senator.
>


I was told that mine held a steady 135 for 35 minutes on cruise before I had 
it. Dunno what the consumption was though.


>
> Heh, is it really that much inconvenience to set it to a lower speed,
> then reset it again after you've been in roadworks?  Many systems
> have a button to increase speed, you wouldn't have to use the
> accelerator at all! (c:
>


My Supra had a Set/Coast button - a short press sets it to current speed, a 
long press makes it coast.

At roadworks/lower limits I used to hold it till I hit the desired speed 
then 'double click' it to keep it there.

"DervMan"  wrote in news:um6Me.4472$2C5.2918
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> "Stu"  wrote in message 
> news:Xns96B3D214B743Cnobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>> "DervMan"  wrote in news:yP5Me.4366$2C5.4094
>> @newsfe1-win.ntli.net:
>>
>>> "Stu"  wrote in message
>>> news:Xns96B2A65F07F4Enobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>>>> "DervMan"  wrote in
>>>> news:5HILe.7271$CM.6605@newsfe7-win.ntli.net:
>>>>
>>>>> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:TuOdnZ2dnZ026s2EnZ2dnZ7PY9-dnZ2dRVn-0Z2dnZ0@karoo.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>>>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has
>>>>>> had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Engine mounts don't last forever.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Less so on the drag strip. :)
>>>>>
>>>> You take your 1.3l Ka drag racing!?
>>>
>>>
>>> Dude, I take our 1.3 Ka to Silverstone.
>>>
>>> www.dervman.com/forum/kermittd.jpg
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>> Cool! Was that the complete circuit or the little Stowe circuit? What 
we
>> need is a UKRCM track day....
> 
> 
> That was the International one, 2.3 miles.


Nice one. How was that organised? I always thought the international 
circuit was reserved for major racing or corporate events?

> 
> You want to go on the track at the same time as some of these nutters! 
:)
> 
> Actually that's not a bad idea...
> 

Yeah, why not? Should make for an interesting day out :-) A reasonably 
central location, like Donington Park, should fit the bill.


-- 
Stuart Sharp

Stu wrote:

> Alistair J Murray  wrote in
> news:jbv6t2-qhh.ln1@florin.fluffy: 
> 
> 
>>Douglas Payne wrote:
>>
>>>Douglas Hall wrote:
>>
>>     [...cruise...]

>>>Heh, I read on a Senator (similar in many ways to my Carlton) forum
>>>that one user managed an average of ~16mpg at a cruise controlled,
>>>indicated 150mph in his 24v Senator.
>>
>>That sounds about right - I'm told that's what I should expect at
>>150-160 cruise from my B10, getting very rapidly worse closer to
>>Vmax(~172). 
>>
>>I'll know next week.  :)
>>
>>
> 
> Off on a trip to Germany? Not getting one of those insane supercharger kits 
> fitted, are you? :-)


I think that fitting a supercharger kit to a B10 (which, AUI already has 
at least 2 turbos) would be pretty insane... (((c:

AJM, do it, then come and see me on your next jaunt to the frozen north 
last week, you'll be able to warp time!

Douglas

"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in news:PsadnYY3BvRrb53eRVn-
2w@karoo.co.uk:


> DervMan wrote:
> 
>>> Cool! Was that the complete circuit or the little Stowe circuit?
>>> What we need is a UKRCM track day....
>>
>>
>> That was the International one, 2.3 miles.
>>
>> You want to go on the track at the same time as some of these
>> nutters! :)
>> Actually that's not a bad idea...
> 
> ... until some twat turns up in a fancy-schmancy snobbed up BMW.
> 

If you wish to avoid automotive racism, we could always go karting :-) I 
reckon a free-for-all track day would be the most fun. Everything from Kas 
to V8 BMWs :-)

-- 
Stuart Sharp

Douglas Payne wrote:

> AJM, do it, then come and see me on your next jaunt to the frozen
> north last week, you'll be able to warp time!


Scotland will twist and fall into the sea.

go for it.

then do wales.


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Stu wrote:

> "DervMan"  wrote in news:um6Me.4472$2C5.2918
>>
>> You want to go on the track at the same time as some of these
>> nutters! :)
>>
>> Actually that's not a bad idea...
>>
> Yeah, why not? Should make for an interesting day out :-) A reasonably
> central location, like Donington Park, should fit the bill.


Typical, wait till the day after the last of my 200BHP sporty cars drives 
off into the distance leaving me with a puny 1600 non-turbo and *then* start 
talking trackdays <sob>

"Stu"  wrote in message 
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> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in news:PsadnYY3BvRrb53eRVn-
> 2w@karoo.co.uk:

>> ... until some twat turns up in a fancy-schmancy snobbed up BMW.
>>
> If you wish to avoid automotive racism, we could always go karting :-) I
> reckon a free-for-all track day would be the most fun. Everything from Kas
> to V8 BMWs :-)


How well to V8 BMWs' brakes last on a track?

That wasn't really an issue for me.  Sure, I'm braking a 1,000 kg object 
from 90 indicated down to around 45 indicated for a few corners, but even 
with small 240mm vented front discs (doing 80% or more of the work) that's 
kinder than 1,500 kg of bigger car doing 130 mph to 45 indicated... :)

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"Stu"  wrote in message 
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> "DervMan"  wrote in news:um6Me.4472$2C5.2918
> @newsfe1-win.ntli.net:
>
>> "Stu"  wrote in message
>> news:Xns96B3D214B743Cnobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>>> "DervMan"  wrote in news:yP5Me.4366$2C5.4094
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>>>
>>>> "Stu"  wrote in message
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>>>>> "DervMan"  wrote in
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>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:TuOdnZ2dnZ026s2EnZ2dnZ7PY9-dnZ2dRVn-0Z2dnZ0@karoo.co.uk...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know has
>>>>>>> had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Engine mounts don't last forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Less so on the drag strip. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>> You take your 1.3l Ka drag racing!?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dude, I take our 1.3 Ka to Silverstone.
>>>>
>>>> www.dervman.com/forum/kermittd.jpg
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>> Cool! Was that the complete circuit or the little Stowe circuit? What
> we
>>> need is a UKRCM track day....
>>
>>
>> That was the International one, 2.3 miles.
>
> Nice one. How was that organised? I always thought the international
> circuit was reserved for major racing or corporate events?


It was through Ford Fair, that's why here you can see me playing with the 
big boys.

www.dervman.com/forum/mixing.jpg

20 a throw.  Bloody good value if you only plan on doing it once a year.


>> You want to go on the track at the same time as some of these nutters!
> :)
>>
>> Actually that's not a bad idea...
>>
> Yeah, why not? Should make for an interesting day out :-) A reasonably
> central location, like Donington Park, should fit the bill.


It could be.  If we've people from the Scottish Highlands and from the South 
Coast of England, from Wales too, then somewhere between Scarborough and 
Preston.

Elvington at York?

:)

<He who lives at York>

Actually, hiring an airfield is cheaper than a track and just as much fun, 
although airfield days are nastier on cars because they usually put a 2+ 
mile straight with a very tight corner at the bottom - and airfield tarmac 
is often high trip, shag-your-tyres material too.

-- 
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www.dervman.com

"Douglas Payne"  wrote in message 
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> Douglas Hall wrote:
>> "Alistair J Murray"  wrote in message
>> news:jt35t2-88n.ln1@florin.fluffy...
>>
>>>Mike G wrote:
>>>
>>>>Just checked my BMW handbook. It says "The controlled speed is
>>>>abandoned and must be selected again if the car exceeds the memorised
>>>>value by more than 10km/h for longer than one minute"
>>>
>>>That sounds about right. :)
>>>
>>>You can do *quick* overtakes and let the cruise resume but if you
>>>actively drive faster for a while it cancels...
>>
>> On S70s, I've not had it cancel for driving faster than the set speed - 
>> even
>> if you do it for quite a while. My S70 is an auto, so no clutch 
>> cancelling.
>>
>> I've heard some forum people say it doesn't work above 125 mph - 
>> presumably
>> they came to that discovery on the autobahns ;-)
>
> Heh, I read on a Senator (similar in many ways to my Carlton) forum that 
> one user managed an average of ~16mpg at a cruise controlled, indicated 
> 150mph in his 24v Senator.


Ours held 90% of vmax for a looooong period on the French autoroute.

Of course, 90% of vmax for us is inside that fuzzy bit above the French 
motorway speed limit but below that where you'd expect to get nicked. :)


>>>...but you can still hit resume for last set speed, until(?) you switch
>>
>> off.
>>
>> And there's always that.
>>
>> I only have to cancel it (by very quickly tapping the brake pedal) around
>> the time I'd lift off the throttle to gently slow, on the motorway. Which 
>> in
>> itself is takes more adapting too, because of getting a whole deal less
>> engine braking in an auto.
>
> <uk.rec.driving mode>
> In similar situations I used to just press the cancel button rather than 
> risk unexpectedly presenting vehicles behind me with brake lights.  If the 
> situation warranted using the brakes, I'd use the brakes.
> </urdm>

LOL!

> Anyway, I didn't use it much, it was just a novelty for most of the 
> driving I did in it, and now I've got a smaller car thats more fun to 
> drive on twisty roads in a manner that involves more slowing down and 
> speeding up.


Aye.  My current commute is mostly motorways.  My aim is to join the York 
bypass, engage cruise, and turn it off at Pontefract and woe betide anything 
in my way at roundabouts and stuff. :)


>> But I never find it cancels because of driving quicker, or overtaking, 
>> even
>> for prolonged periods. So long as I haven't either switched it off, or
>> tapped the brakes, as soon as I leave the throttle alone, it maintains 
>> the
>> set speed.
>>
>> Not really advisable, I guess, because if you've been driving a while
>> without using it's effects, it can be a little disconcerting if you've
>> forgotten, and we just leaving the throttle alone to gently slow down.
>
> I found it a bit disconcerting in the Carlton when I forgot I had engaged 
> the CC.  Sounds like thats why the BMWs and Mercedes' systems switch off 
> after a while.


That would be damn annoying!


>>>>Looks like different cruise controls have different basic settings.
>>>>AFAIK though all allow acceleration to some degree without
>>>>disengaging altogether.
>>>
>>>Mercedes CC behaves much the same, don't know any others.
>>
>>
>> One of the features of aftermarket systems I'd like, which would be good 
>> for
>> a lot of motorway miles, would be two memories for active settings - one 
>> for
>> roadwork settings on the motorway, the other for normal speeds. Good for
>> long journeys, were you encounter roadworks more than once, at the same
>> reduced speed.
>
> Heh, is it really that much inconvenience to set it to a lower speed, then 
> reset it again after you've been in roadworks?  Many systems have a button 
> to increase speed, you wouldn't have to use the accelerator at all! (c:


Well, no it's not difficult - but our aftermarket system has three presets 
plus whatever you've set it at.  I have ours set such that the lower one is 
at 30, the mid one at 50 and the top one at the motorway cruising speed.

The 30 one is great for the long haul into Pontefract, where you sit at 30 
for three miles.

The 50 one is great for driving through the 50-limited roadworks on the A1.

And the higher setting works too.  On the approach to the roadworks, I can 
depress the middle button and the car smoothly decelerates to 50.  When I'm 
clear, I hit the top button and the car accelerates back up to the higher 
cruising speed.  Job's a good 'un.

Oh plus tap up / tap down, coast and resume, and if I hold the tap up or tap 
down I get continuous acceleration or deceleration.  :)

-- 
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www.dervman.com

DervMan wrote:


> Actually, hiring an airfield is cheaper than a track and just as much
> fun, although airfield days are nastier on cars because they usually
> put a 2+ mile straight with a very tight corner at the bottom - and
> airfield tarmac is often high trip, shag-your-tyres material too.


It's the appeal of the big straight and the radar trap that works for me...

That and Elvington being just a few miles from home...

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"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message 
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> DervMan wrote:
>
>> Actually, hiring an airfield is cheaper than a track and just as much
>> fun, although airfield days are nastier on cars because they usually
>> put a 2+ mile straight with a very tight corner at the bottom - and
>> airfield tarmac is often high trip, shag-your-tyres material too.
>
> It's the appeal of the big straight and the radar trap that works for 
> me...


Oh yes.  But, as I say, you need to brake _hard_ at the bottom of that 
straight.  They don't encourage you to use the over run if possible. ;)


> That and Elvington being just a few miles from home...



About ten minutes for you isn't it? :)

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> "Stu"  wrote in message 
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>> "DervMan"  wrote in news:um6Me.4472$2C5.2918
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>>
>>> "Stu"  wrote in message
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>>>> "DervMan"  wrote in news:yP5Me.4366$2C5.4094
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>>>>> "Stu"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:Xns96B2A65F07F4Enobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>>>>>> "DervMan"  wrote in
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Front drive volvos seem to eat wheel bearings, everyone I know
>>>>>>>> has had to replace fronts at 80-100k miles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Engine mounts don't last forever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Less so on the drag strip. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You take your 1.3l Ka drag racing!?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dude, I take our 1.3 Ka to Silverstone.
>>>>>
>>>>> www.dervman.com/forum/kermittd.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>:)
>>>>>
>>>> Cool! Was that the complete circuit or the little Stowe circuit?
>>>> What 
>> we
>>>> need is a UKRCM track day....
>>>
>>>
>>> That was the International one, 2.3 miles.
>>
>> Nice one. How was that organised? I always thought the international
>> circuit was reserved for major racing or corporate events?
> 
> It was through Ford Fair, that's why here you can see me playing with
> the big boys.
> 
> www.dervman.com/forum/mixing.jpg


Heheh, must admit, you do look a little outclassed there ;-)

> 
> 20 a throw.  Bloody good value if you only plan on doing it once a
> year. 


Damn right. These driving experience things cost several times that 
amount and I'm sure a good track day is just as much fun.

> 
>>> You want to go on the track at the same time as some of these
>>> nutters! 
>> :)
>>>
>>> Actually that's not a bad idea...
>>>
>> Yeah, why not? Should make for an interesting day out :-) A
>> reasonably central location, like Donington Park, should fit the
>> bill. 
> 
> It could be.  If we've people from the Scottish Highlands and from the
> South Coast of England, from Wales too, then somewhere between
> Scarborough and Preston.
> 
> Elvington at York?
> 
>:)
> 
> <He who lives at York>


Roughly the same journey time for me (in Barnsley) as Donington, so I 
don't care :-) I just thought that Donington would be more central in 
terms of population. In any case, there's probably only myself and a 
couple of other nutters interested in the idea, anyway. 

> 
> Actually, hiring an airfield is cheaper than a track and just as much
> fun, although airfield days are nastier on cars because they usually
> put a 2+ mile straight with a very tight corner at the bottom - and
> airfield tarmac is often high trip, shag-your-tyres material too.
> 

The airfield idea doesn't appeal to me as much, because I would expect a 
lot of the track to be straight, as you describe. I like plenty of 
changes in direction :-)


-- 
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DervMan wrote:

> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
> news:_-ednQTM1LDCY53eRVn-2w@karoo.co.uk...
>> DervMan wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, hiring an airfield is cheaper than a track and just as
>>> much fun, although airfield days are nastier on cars because they
>>> usually put a 2+ mile straight with a very tight corner at the
>>> bottom - and airfield tarmac is often high trip, shag-your-tyres
>>> material too.
>>
>> It's the appeal of the big straight and the radar trap that works for
>> me...
>
> Oh yes.  But, as I say, you need to brake _hard_ at the bottom of that
> straight.  They don't encourage you to use the over run if possible.
> ;)
>> That and Elvington being just a few miles from home...
>
>
> About ten minutes for you isn't it? :)


aye, about the same for Alistair as well?

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Tim S Kemp (news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :


>>> What we need is a UKRCM track day....

>> You want to go on the track at the same time as some of these
>> nutters! :)
>> Actually that's not a bad idea...

> ... until some twat turns up in a fancy-schmancy snobbed up BMW.


I think Alastair might take exception to that description...

Soddit - I'll be there. 

P'raps in the 2cv van... <heh heh heh>
Mobile chicane?

"Stu"  wrote in message 
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[snip]

[snip]


>>>> That was the International one, 2.3 miles.
>>>
>>> Nice one. How was that organised? I always thought the international
>>> circuit was reserved for major racing or corporate events?
>>
>> It was through Ford Fair, that's why here you can see me playing with
>> the big boys.
>>
>> www.dervman.com/forum/mixing.jpg
>
> Heheh, must admit, you do look a little outclassed there ;-)


Hehehehe.  That was coming hard out on the first leg of Luffield, trying to 
get out of the way of the idiot in the Cosworth.

But you're right.  The lead Fiesta isn't really a Fiesta, but is some nutty 
500 bhp monster.

The Escort kept on cooking his brakes so extended his braking twice as long 
as I did, but they frowned on one overtaking.

The guy in the Cosworth was out-braked in the two previous corners, rather, 
he braked before I did, so was on a flier to get past so his picture wasn't 
taken behind me. :)

Just need around 100 bhp more.


>> 20 a throw.  Bloody good value if you only plan on doing it once a
>> year.
>
> Damn right. These driving experience things cost several times that
> amount and I'm sure a good track day is just as much fun.
>>
>>>> You want to go on the track at the same time as some of these
>>>> nutters!
>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Actually that's not a bad idea...
>>>>
>>> Yeah, why not? Should make for an interesting day out :-) A
>>> reasonably central location, like Donington Park, should fit the
>>> bill.
>>
>> It could be.  If we've people from the Scottish Highlands and from the
>> South Coast of England, from Wales too, then somewhere between
>> Scarborough and Preston.
>>
>> Elvington at York?
>>
>>:)
>>
>> <He who lives at York>
>
> Roughly the same journey time for me (in Barnsley) as Donington, so I
> don't care :-) I just thought that Donington would be more central in
> terms of population. In any case, there's probably only myself and a
> couple of other nutters interested in the idea, anyway.
>>
>> Actually, hiring an airfield is cheaper than a track and just as much
>> fun, although airfield days are nastier on cars because they usually
>> put a 2+ mile straight with a very tight corner at the bottom - and
>> airfield tarmac is often high trip, shag-your-tyres material too.
>>
> The airfield idea doesn't appeal to me as much, because I would expect a
> lot of the track to be straight, as you describe. I like plenty of
> changes in direction :-)


Nooooo.  Half of the track is straight, the other half is twice as long and 
not straight one bit.  The track may be say 3.6 miles long, almost 2 miles 
of straight where you approach maximum speed.

Airfield days are usually significantly cheaper too.  And although perhaps 
only 80% as much fun, they're 60% as expensive and you learn the same 
techniques.  They're not as glam, but the only ones that seem to be used 
have very nice car-friendly run offs and soft cones that don't damage your 
car if you hit one or a dozen.

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"DervMan"  wrote in
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> "Stu"  wrote in message 
> news:Xns96B3E159385B2nobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
> [snip]

>>> www.dervman.com/forum/mixing.jpg
>>
>> Heheh, must admit, you do look a little outclassed there ;-)
> 
> Hehehehe.  That was coming hard out on the first leg of Luffield,
> trying to get out of the way of the idiot in the Cosworth.
> 
> But you're right.  The lead Fiesta isn't really a Fiesta, but is some
> nutty 500 bhp monster.
> 
> The Escort kept on cooking his brakes so extended his braking twice as
> long as I did, but they frowned on one overtaking.
> 
> The guy in the Cosworth was out-braked in the two previous corners,
> rather, he braked before I did, so was on a flier to get past so his
> picture wasn't taken behind me. :)
> 
> Just need around 100 bhp more.
> 

Anybody turbocharged the Endura-E yet? That'd do the trick :-)

>>>
>> The airfield idea doesn't appeal to me as much, because I would
>> expect a lot of the track to be straight, as you describe. I like
>> plenty of changes in direction :-)
> 
> Nooooo.  Half of the track is straight, the other half is twice as
> long and not straight one bit.  The track may be say 3.6 miles long,
> almost 2 miles of straight where you approach maximum speed.


Like a sort of mini-Nurburgring? Sounds good to me.

> 
> Airfield days are usually significantly cheaper too.  And although
> perhaps only 80% as much fun, they're 60% as expensive and you learn
> the same techniques.  They're not as glam, but the only ones that seem
> to be used have very nice car-friendly run offs and soft cones that
> don't damage your car if you hit one or a dozen.
> 

40% cheaper sounds good to me. Large run-offs should encourage boldness, 
too ;-)


-- 
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Tim S Kemp wrote:

> DervMan wrote:


	[...Elvington...]


>> About ten minutes for you isn't it? :)
> 
> aye, about the same for Alistair as well?


I'm in Edinburgh, closer to twenty...



A

Douglas Payne wrote:

> Stu wrote:


	[...Vmax...]


>> Off on a trip to Germany?


Sweden, by way of Germany.   :)


>> Not getting one of those insane supercharger kits fitted, are you?
>> :-)


Nope, my next car should come with one though.


> I think that fitting a supercharger kit to a B10 (which, AUI already
> has at least 2 turbos) would be pretty insane... (((c:


You're thinking of the E34 B10 BiTurbo, mine is E39 with a n/a 4.6l V8


> AJM, do it, then come and see me on your next jaunt to the frozen
> north last week, you'll be able to warp time!


No tardis option until last year...   ;)




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Alistair J Murray wrote:

> Tim S Kemp wrote:
>> DervMan wrote:
>
> [...Elvington...]
>
>>> About ten minutes for you isn't it? :)
>>
>> aye, about the same for Alistair as well?
>
> I'm in Edinburgh, closer to twenty...


Ahhh yes, some of the petrol stations don't have optimax on the way down.

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"Douglas Payne"  wrote in message
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> Douglas Hall wrote:
> >
> > I only have to cancel it (by very quickly tapping the brake pedal)
around
> > the time I'd lift off the throttle to gently slow, on the motorway.
Which in
> > itself is takes more adapting too, because of getting a whole deal less
> > engine braking in an auto.
>
> <uk.rec.driving mode>
> In similar situations I used to just press the cancel button rather than
> risk unexpectedly presenting vehicles behind me with brake lights.  If
> the situation warranted using the brakes, I'd use the brakes.
> </urdm>


I'd like to be able to do that, but the cruise controls on my S70 don't have
an explicit cancel - I can turn it off, and I can change the speeds, but to
temporarily cancel it, the only way is by tapping the brake pedal - but I do
just mean tapping it. Somebody would have to be seriously overreacting to
need to brake because of a very quick tap sufficient to disengage cruise.

Not sufficient to actually cause any noticable slow down, and I would hope
so momentarily brief that any following drivers wouldn't think they needed
to react. I've seen this sort of thing in the past, so I recognise the whole
disengaging cruise by very briefly tapping the brakes.

Later Volvo models probably have an actual cancel or interrupt button.


> > But I never find it cancels because of driving quicker, or overtaking,
even
> > for prolonged periods. So long as I haven't either switched it off, or
> > tapped the brakes, as soon as I leave the throttle alone, it maintains
the
> > set speed.
> >
> > Not really advisable, I guess, because if you've been driving a while
> > without using it's effects, it can be a little disconcerting if you've
> > forgotten, and we just leaving the throttle alone to gently slow down.
>
> I found it a bit disconcerting in the Carlton when I forgot I had
> engaged the CC.  Sounds like thats why the BMWs and Mercedes' systems
> switch off after a while.


That probably makes good sense.


> >>Mercedes CC behaves much the same, don't know any others.
> >
> > One of the features of aftermarket systems I'd like, which would be good
for
> > a lot of motorway miles, would be two memories for active settings - one
for
> > roadwork settings on the motorway, the other for normal speeds. Good for
> > long journeys, were you encounter roadworks more than once, at the same
> > reduced speed.
>
> Heh, is it really that much inconvenience to set it to a lower speed,
> then reset it again after you've been in roadworks?


It's not the iconvenience of it, it's just that I know that some aftermarket
systems have this feature. I seem to remember reading Dervy's website, that
I think the aftermarket kit he has on his Ka features this.

"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
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> DervMan wrote:
>
> > Actually, hiring an airfield is cheaper than a track and just as much
> > fun, although airfield days are nastier on cars because they usually
> > put a 2+ mile straight with a very tight corner at the bottom - and
> > airfield tarmac is often high trip, shag-your-tyres material too.


Who says that proper tracks don't shag your tyres? :-)
I reckon the last track day at Castle Combe with a Celica turbo took a few
1000 miles off the tyres.
No wonder the old hands take a set of track tyres.


> It's the appeal of the big straight and the radar trap that works for

me...

It's the high speed corners and jinking through the chicanes that does it
for me.
Mike.

Alistair J Murray wrote:

> Douglas Payne wrote:
> 
>>Stu wrote:


{of jaunts to foreign climes}


>>>Not getting one of those insane supercharger kits fitted, are you?
>>>:-)
> 
> 
> Nope, my next car should come with one though.
> 
> 
>>I think that fitting a supercharger kit to a B10 (which, AUI already
>>has at least 2 turbos) would be pretty insane... (((c:
> 
> 
> You're thinking of the E34 B10 BiTurbo, mine is E39 with a n/a 4.6l V8


Ah.  Why doesn't it have turbos then?  Are you some kind of pussy?


>>AJM, do it, then come and see me on your next jaunt to the frozen
>>north last week, you'll be able to warp time!
> 
> 
> No tardis option until last year...   ;)


Heh.

Douglas Payne wrote:

> Alistair J Murray wrote:

	[...]

>> You're thinking of the E34 B10 BiTurbo, mine is E39 with a n/a 4.6l
>> V8
> 
> Ah.  Why doesn't it have turbos then?  Are you some kind of pussy?


I'm not sure turbos wound suit it - small ones might strangle the top
end and big 'uns would be laggy - it's got VANOS vvt so it grunts from
~1300-6000rpm, it already behaves like a 4.0 M60 with a LPT...  :)

Who needs turbots?



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In message <5l7at2-3vu.ln1@florin.fluffy>, Alistair J Murray 
 writes

>Douglas Payne wrote:
>> Alistair J Murray wrote:
>
>       [...]
>
>>> You're thinking of the E34 B10 BiTurbo, mine is E39 with a n/a 4.6l
>>> V8
>>
>> Ah.  Why doesn't it have turbos then?  Are you some kind of pussy?
>
>I'm not sure turbos wound suit it - small ones might strangle the top
>end and big 'uns would be laggy - it's got VANOS vvt so it grunts from
>~1300-6000rpm, it already behaves like a 4.0 M60 with a LPT...  :)
>
>Who needs turbots?


Trawlermen.

With 4.6l, you aren't really in the position of needing a substitute for 
cubic capacity, are you?

-- 
Steve Walker

Steve Walker wrote:


> With 4.6l, you aren't really in the position of needing a substitute
> for cubic capacity, are you?


With a V8 though it's still four cylinders short of a full engine.

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"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message 
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> Steve Walker wrote:
>
>> With 4.6l, you aren't really in the position of needing a substitute
>> for cubic capacity, are you?
>
> With a V8 though it's still four cylinders short of a full engine.



And runs on the wrong fuel too.

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www.dervman.com

DervMan wrote:

> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
> news:d7adnQQ_t7p2FJ7eRVn-qQ@karoo.co.uk...
>> Steve Walker wrote:
>>
>>> With 4.6l, you aren't really in the position of needing a substitute
>>> for cubic capacity, are you?
>>
>> With a V8 though it's still four cylinders short of a full engine.
>
>
> And runs on the wrong fuel too.

Yeah Nitromethane is king.

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In message , Tim S Kemp 
 writes

>Steve Walker wrote:
>
>> With 4.6l, you aren't really in the position of needing a substitute
>> for cubic capacity, are you?
>
>With a V8 though it's still four cylinders short of a full engine.


As I understand it, the saying is good ol' boy American in origin. They 
might have heard of some damn new fangled vee-ten injuns, but I reckon a 
twelve cylinder car would be considered witchcraft.

-- 
Steve Walker

In message <7CMMe.7489$4y6.6990@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, DervMan 
 writes

>"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
>news:d7adnQQ_t7p2FJ7eRVn-qQ@karoo.co.uk...
>> Steve Walker wrote:
>>
>>> With 4.6l, you aren't really in the position of needing a substitute
>>> for cubic capacity, are you?
>>
>> With a V8 though it's still four cylinders short of a full engine.
>
>
>And runs on the wrong fuel too.


Burn the heretic!

-- 
Steve Walker

Steve Walker wrote:

> In message <5l7at2-3vu.ln1@florin.fluffy>, Alistair J Murray 
>  writes

	[...]

>> I'm not sure turbos wound suit it - small ones might strangle the 
>> top end and big 'uns would be laggy - it's got VANOS vvt so it 
>> grunts from ~1300-6000rpm, it already behaves like a 4.0 M60 with a
>> LPT...  :)
>> 
>> Who needs turbots?
> 
> Trawlermen.

Indeedy!

> With 4.6l, you aren't really in the position of needing a substitute 
> for cubic capacity, are you?


My need is less desperate than many.   :)



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The message 
from Steve Walker  contains these words:


> As I understand it, the saying is good ol' boy American in origin. They 
> might have heard of some damn new fangled vee-ten injuns, but I reckon a 
> twelve cylinder car would be considered witchcraft.


I bet 5-cyl engines confuse'em.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

In message , Guy King 
 writes

>The message 
>from Steve Walker  contains these words:
>
>> As I understand it, the saying is good ol' boy American in origin. They
>> might have heard of some damn new fangled vee-ten injuns, but I reckon a
>> twelve cylinder car would be considered witchcraft.
>
>I bet 5-cyl engines confuse'em.


In-line 5's enough so, but a VW V5? I'm sure they'd find something in 
the Old Testament proving it to be Just Plain Wrong.

-- 
Steve Walker

Guy King wrote:

> The message 
> from Steve Walker  contains these words:
>
>> As I understand it, the saying is good ol' boy American in origin.
>> They might have heard of some damn new fangled vee-ten injuns, but I
>> reckon a twelve cylinder car would be considered witchcraft.
>
> I bet 5-cyl engines confuse'em.


Yeah, and displacements measured in CC.

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