Just looking for some opinion...

I have a 94 Nissan Primera, and needed the rear brake pads doing.

Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a 
couple of garages, OK, just the one, National, who gave me a price of 
62. Then 84, then finally today 62.

However, the brake pad had worn down so far, the disc was very very very 
rough and scored so they said the discs needed doing too. THere was 
quite a lip around the edge, so I was happy for that to be done.

Now comes down to the fun bit.

They don't quote for labour, but they did quote:

62 for the pads
90 each for the Discs

They gave me 43 discount, so it came out at 200 all in.

fur enough I though, for the parts alone, Nissan would want

70 each for the discs
60 for the pads

Stupid way of looking at it really.

I should have thought about the prices of aftermarket parts, in which 
case, from Halfords:

50 per disc
25 for a set of Ferrodo pads

This is 125.

Do National charge an hourly rate of 75???

Should I be demanding money back now? Should I be threatening never to 
take any car to them ever again unless they give me a refund? Or is that 
what you'd expect to pay too? Stupid thing is, my dad could have done 
the work... but I just dont trust him when he gets the heavy hammer out 
and starts whacking away at the discs to try and free them up.

Ta
Simon

Simon Dean (sjdean@simtext.plus.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :


> Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a 
> couple of garages, OK, just the one, National


National Tyres aren't a "garage", they're tyre fitters who also do brakes 
and the like.


> who gave me a price of 62. Then 84, then finally today 62.

> They don't quote for labour, but they did quote:
> 
> 62 for the pads
> 90 each for the Discs
> They gave me 43 discount, so it came out at 200 all in.

> Do National charge an hourly rate of 75???


They don't quote an hourly labour rate. They quote an all-in fitted price.  
Because they're not a "garage", they're tyre fitters who also do brakes and 
the like.


> Should I be demanding money back now?


What on earth for?

You asked them to quote for a specific job. They quoted you two prices. 
They did that work - and charged you the lower of the quoted prices to do 
it. During that, other work became apparent. They did that work. They then 
gave you a discount on their "normal" price.

And still you want more off them because you found it cheaper elsewhere.

Do they give a "Find it cheaper, we refund the difference" offer?

Simon Dean  wrote:


> Just looking for some opinion...
> 
> I have a 94 Nissan Primera, and needed the rear brake pads doing.
> 
> Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a 
> couple of garages, OK, just the one, National, who gave me a price of
> 62. Then 84, then finally today 62.


IME, Nissan pads can be both hard to get hold of and expensive,
depending on which calipers they fitted that day.
 

> However, the brake pad had worn down so far, the disc was very very very
> rough and scored so they said the discs needed doing too. THere was 
> quite a lip around the edge, so I was happy for that to be done.
> 
> Now comes down to the fun bit.
> 
> They don't quote for labour, but they did quote:
> 
> 62 for the pads


That's not too bad.


> 90 each for the Discs


That's taking the piss. I'd actually be surprised if the rear discs
needed changing. I've never had a car that could wear out it's rears.
 

> They gave me 43 discount, so it came out at 200 all in.
 
> fur enough I though, for the parts alone, Nissan would want
> 
> 70 each for the discs
> 60 for the pads
> 
> Stupid way of looking at it really.
> 
> I should have thought about the prices of aftermarket parts, in which
> case, from Halfords:
> 
> 50 per disc
> 25 for a set of Ferrodo pads
> 
> This is 125.
> 
> Do National charge an hourly rate of 75???


OK, assuming the work needed doing, are you happy to have paid 75 for
the work to be done instead of a few hours crawling about under your car
doing it yourself? - if so, then don't worry about it.
 

> Should I be demanding money back now? Should I be threatening never to
> take any car to them ever again unless they give me a refund? Or is that
> what you'd expect to pay too? Stupid thing is, my dad could have done
> the work... but I just dont trust him when he gets the heavy hammer out
> and starts whacking away at the discs to try and free them up.


Do you think National would have done it differently?
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:05:49 +0100, Simon Dean
 wrote:


> but I just dont trust him when he gets the heavy hammer out 
>and starts whacking away at the discs to try and free them up.
>
>Ta
>Simon



If you're changing them don't matter how hard you hit them with a
hammer.
-- 

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XJ900 Trike  GS850 Trike

SteveH wrote:

> Simon Dean  wrote:
> 
> 
>>Just looking for some opinion...
>>
>>I have a 94 Nissan Primera, and needed the rear brake pads doing.
>>
>>Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a 
>>couple of garages, OK, just the one, National, who gave me a price of
>>62. Then 84, then finally today 62.
> 
> 
> IME, Nissan pads can be both hard to get hold of and expensive,
> depending on which calipers they fitted that day.


Hrm. Sounds like Nissans. Im after an Oil filter for my mom's car. Same 
engine as mine, but according to the guy behind the desk, there's a 
choice of two oil filters!



>>They don't quote for labour, but they did quote:
>>
>>62 for the pads
> 
> 
> That's not too bad.


Which is what I thought... before I found that the pads they fitted WERE 
FErrodo, and available in Halfords for 25.



>>90 each for the Discs
> 
> That's taking the piss. I'd actually be surprised if the rear discs
> needed changing. I've never had a car that could wear out it's rears.


Hold on. Let me get the photo out...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjdean/33403372/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjdean/33403371/



>>Do National charge an hourly rate of 75???
> 
> 
> OK, assuming the work needed doing, are you happy to have paid 75 for
> the work to be done instead of a few hours crawling about under your car
> doing it yourself? - if so, then don't worry about it.


I'd have been happy to pay 30... which would have equated to Genuine 
Nissan Discs, with Ferrodo Pads... = 170... ooh, 30... That was my 
logic. Bad logic. That's why Im a bit angry.



>>Should I be demanding money back now? Should I be threatening never to
>>take any car to them ever again unless they give me a refund? Or is that
>>what you'd expect to pay too? Stupid thing is, my dad could have done
>>the work... but I just dont trust him when he gets the heavy hammer out
>>and starts whacking away at the discs to try and free them up.
> 
> 
> Do you think National would have done it differently?


They did... because I watched them... at least they had all the tools...

So on one hand, I feel like I've been cheated a bit with rather 
exuberant all inclusive prices... of course with the discount, bring 
those 90 quotations down to 70...

But on the other hand, they did the job professionally, when I wanted, 
with the right tools, and I got a guarantee... and more leverage when I 
go and buy more from them....

So...

Cya
Simon

BORG wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:05:49 +0100, Simon Dean
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>but I just dont trust him when he gets the heavy hammer out 
>>and starts whacking away at the discs to try and free them up.

> 
> 
> If you're changing them don't matter how hard you hit them with a
> hammer.


Unfortunately those discs are attached to something...

Cya
Simon

Adrian wrote:

> Simon Dean (sjdean@simtext.plus.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying :
> 
> 
>> Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up
>> a couple of garages, OK, just the one, National
> 
> 
> National Tyres aren't a "garage", they're tyre fitters who also do
> brakes and the like.


Must remember that.




>> Should I be demanding money back now?
> 
> 
> What on earth for?
> 
> You asked them to quote for a specific job. They quoted you two
> prices. They did that work - and charged you the lower of the quoted
> prices to do it. During that, other work became apparent. They did
> that work. They then gave you a discount on their "normal" price.


Sort of but not quite... that was certainly true for the pads... but the 
discs at 90 each was a bit steep in my opinion, and Im not on the ball 
recently, anyone can quote exuberant figures at me get me to believe 
it's the best deal going...



> And still you want more off them because you found it cheaper
> elsewhere.


It's not really a case of being say 10 cheaper elsewhere, but I mean, 
in terms of physical goods, if I bought the parts, it would have been 
50% less than what they charged me... and I realise their prices include 
labour and popping next door to get the parts from Car Spares... but at 
that, their costs would have been cheaper than mine, so when I break it 
down (since there's no break down of costs, as they're a tyre fitter 
remember), I figure I've effectively been charged 75+ for an hours work.

Im not sure I can justify that.


> 
> Do they give a "Find it cheaper, we refund the difference" offer?


I know they offer a price match promise.

Cya
Simon

Simon Dean  wrote:


>  
> > That's taking the piss. I'd actually be surprised if the rear discs
> > needed changing. I've never had a car that could wear out it's rears.
> 
> Hold on. Let me get the photo out...
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjdean/33403372/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjdean/33403371/


Personally, I wouldn't have bothered.

But that's just me. YMMV.
-- 
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http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE -  COSOC KOTL
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Simon Dean (sjdean@simtext.plus.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :


>> Do they give a "Find it cheaper, we refund the difference" offer?

> I know they offer a price match promise.


Before the work? Or after? If after, then great - but get a like-for-like, 
not just a "But their parts are cheaper"

Simon Dean (sjdean@simtext.plus.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :


> but the discs at 90 each was a bit steep in my opinion


But you *didn't* pay 90/ea for the disks.

You said you paid 200 for the lot to be fitted, of which 62 was the pads 
- so you paid 69/ea for the disks, fitted.

On the Halfrauds parts prices (50/ea disks, 25 pads), you paid 19/ea for 
the disks to be fitted, but the pads cost you 37 for fitting.

So, yes, if it only took an hour for the lot, then you paid 75/hour for 
fitting - but that's inc the vat, so 64+vat/hour. Sure, that's steep, for 
chimps. Perhaps you should have asked a proper garage first?

*Fast Fit Tyre Centre In Expensive Brakes Shocker*
Hold the front page. Not.

However, on the Nissan dealer's parts prices (70/ea disks, 60 pads), the 
lot was fitted for free.

Simon Dean wrote:

> BORG wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:05:49 +0100, Simon Dean
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> but I just dont trust him when he gets the heavy hammer out
>>> and starts whacking away at the discs to try and free them up.
>
>>
>>
>> If you're changing them don't matter how hard you hit them with a
>> hammer.
>
> Unfortunately those discs are attached to something...
>


Well, you *do* have to undo the fixings first :)

Si

Simon Dean  wrote in news:3m3olvF15d2hdU1
@individual.net:


> Just looking for some opinion...
> 
> I have a 94 Nissan Primera, and needed the rear brake pads doing.
> 
> Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a 
> couple of garages, OK, just the one, National, who gave me a price of 
> 62. Then 84, then finally today 62.


You must have a very greedy dealer. I replaced the rear pads on my 
Primera a couple of years ago for 28 inc VAT. That's for OEM Lucas ones 
bought from the dealer. The rear ones are the same pads for all earlier 
Primeras.

> 
> However, the brake pad had worn down so far, the disc was very very 
very 
> rough and scored so they said the discs needed doing too. THere was 
> quite a lip around the edge, so I was happy for that to be done.
> 
> Now comes down to the fun bit.
> 
> They don't quote for labour, but they did quote:
> 
> 62 for the pads
> 90 each for the Discs
> 
> They gave me 43 discount, so it came out at 200 all in.
> 
> fur enough I though, for the parts alone, Nissan would want
> 
> 70 each for the discs
> 60 for the pads
> 
> Stupid way of looking at it really.
> 
> I should have thought about the prices of aftermarket parts, in which 
> case, from Halfords:
> 
> 50 per disc
> 25 for a set of Ferrodo pads


The discs for these are expensive wherever you go. I've never changed 
mine, but I'm sure you can get a decent quality pair for around 60.

> 
> This is 125.
> 
> Do National charge an hourly rate of 75???
> 
> Should I be demanding money back now? Should I be threatening never to 
> take any car to them ever again unless they give me a refund? Or is 
that 
> what you'd expect to pay too? Stupid thing is, my dad could have done 
> the work... but I just dont trust him when he gets the heavy hammer out 
> and starts whacking away at the discs to try and free them up.


Nothing wrong with that as long as he doesn't do it to the new ones ;-) 
When I changed the rear pads on my dad's Primera, the discs were coming 
off by theirselves, without having had so much as a tap!

> 
> Ta
> Simon




-- 
Stuart Sharp

Stu  wrote:


> Simon Dean  wrote in news:3m3olvF15d2hdU1
> @individual.net:
> 
> > Just looking for some opinion...
> > 
> > I have a 94 Nissan Primera, and needed the rear brake pads doing.
> > 
> > Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a
> > couple of garages, OK, just the one, National, who gave me a price of
> > 62. Then 84, then finally today 62.
> 
> You must have a very greedy dealer. I replaced the rear pads on my 
> Primera a couple of years ago for 28 inc VAT. That's for OEM Lucas ones
> bought from the dealer. The rear ones are the same pads for all earlier
> Primeras.


Are you sure about that? - I never did the rears on my Primera, but know
that Nissan used at least 2 different types of caliper on the front. Of
course, mine used the one with unobtanium pads.
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Simon Dean wrote:

>
> But on the other hand, they did the job professionally, when I wanted,
> with the right tools, and I got a guarantee... and more leverage when
> I go and buy more from them....
>
> So...
>
> Cya
> Simon


How do you know they used the right tools and did the job professionally? 
are you a mechanic?

-- 
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Longitude:  5.96W

steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote in news:1h16z01.fcf6141qt9bbbN%
steve@italiancar.co.uk:


> Stu  wrote:
> 
>> Simon Dean  wrote in news:3m3olvF15d2hdU1
>> @individual.net:
>> 
>> > Just looking for some opinion...
>> > 
>> > I have a 94 Nissan Primera, and needed the rear brake pads doing.
>> > 
>> > Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a
>> > couple of garages, OK, just the one, National, who gave me a price 
of
>> > 62. Then 84, then finally today 62.
>> 
>> You must have a very greedy dealer. I replaced the rear pads on my 
>> Primera a couple of years ago for 28 inc VAT. That's for OEM Lucas 
ones
>> bought from the dealer. The rear ones are the same pads for all 
earlier
>> Primeras.
> 
> Are you sure about that? - I never did the rears on my Primera, but 
know
> that Nissan used at least 2 different types of caliper on the front. Of
> course, mine used the one with unobtanium pads.


On the fronts, there was either Lucas (Girling) calipers or Bendix. Rears 
were all Lucas, AFAIK. The HBOL features both types of caliper for the 
front but only one for the rear. Perhaps they had to be standardised for 
compatibility with the handbrake cable arrangement?

-- 
Stuart Sharp

ThePunisher wrote:

> Simon Dean wrote:
> 
>> But on the other hand, they did the job professionally, when I
>> wanted, with the right tools, and I got a guarantee... and more
>> leverage when I go and buy more from them....
>> 
>> So...
>> 
>> Cya Simon
> 
> 
> How do you know they used the right tools and did the job
> professionally? are you a mechanic?
> 


OK, well, shall I say more professionally than my Dad.

No Im not a mechanic, but he is, sort of, well, he's more on the
bodywork side of things but knows a thing or two about engines and
brakes and shite, and I've watched loads of times to know how not to do
things.

Of course, whether you consider the Haynes book of lies to me more
reliably... put it like this... at least the didn't take a lump hammer
to the brake discs, and had a larger assortment of tools than a couple
of screw drivers a couple of ratchets and a heavy hammer to prise the
pad away from the disc, to tighten up according to feel, and to knock
the shit out of the brake disc and hub...

I do a lot of things on the car myself, and have done the brake pads a 
few times... but I kind of draw the line at brake discs.

Wait a second... have I got this argument all wrong? Re-read... Yes I 
have...

How do you know they used the wrong tools for the job and didn't do it 
professionally? Do you have any knowledge of my experience? Were you 
there today?

Cya
Simon

"Simon Dean"  wrote in message
news:3m3olvF15d2hdU1@individual.net...

> Just looking for some opinion...
>
> I have a 94 Nissan Primera, and needed the rear brake pads doing.
>
> Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a
> couple of garages, OK, just the one, National, who gave me a price of
> 62. Then 84, then finally today 62.


You should try here next time.
http://www.brakeparts.co.uk/
Discs around 16 each. A set of pads about the same.
48 plus carriage in total
Mike.

"Simon Dean"  wrote in message 
news:3m3olvF15d2hdU1@individual.net...

> Just looking for some opinion...
>
> I have a 94 Nissan Primera, and needed the rear brake pads doing.
>
> Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a 
> couple of garages, OK, just the one, National, who gave me a price of 62. 
> Then 84, then finally today 62.
>
> However, the brake pad had worn down so far, the disc was very very very 
> rough and scored so they said the discs needed doing too. THere was quite 
> a lip around the edge, so I was happy for that to be done.
>
> Now comes down to the fun bit.
>
> They don't quote for labour, but they did quote:
>
> 62 for the pads
> 90 each for the Discs
>
> They gave me 43 discount, so it came out at 200 all in.
>
> fur enough I though, for the parts alone, Nissan would want
>
> 70 each for the discs
> 60 for the pads
>
> Stupid way of looking at it really.
>
> I should have thought about the prices of aftermarket parts, in which 
> case, from Halfords:
>
> 50 per disc
> 25 for a set of Ferrodo pads
>
> This is 125.
>
> Do National charge an hourly rate of 75???
>
> Should I be demanding money back now? Should I be threatening never to 
> take any car to them ever again unless they give me a refund? Or is that 
> what you'd expect to pay too? Stupid thing is, my dad could have done the 
> work... but I just dont trust him when he gets the heavy hammer out and 
> starts whacking away at the discs to try and free them up.


Some pads have built in shims and if the ones without shims are fitted they 
knock like f**k I've seen it and fxed it for another garage.

Some garages charge whatever they can get away with, or whatever sounds 
right regardless of how much the parts cost.

Heavy hammer to get the discs off, if only, some cars need the disc hub 
cutting with oxybottles mondeos get very stuck.

In article , Simon Dean says...

> SteveH wrote:
> > Simon Dean  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Just looking for some opinion...
> >>
> >>I have a 94 Nissan Primera, and needed the rear brake pads doing.
> >>
> >>Nissan were quoting 50 plus VAT for the pads alone, so I phone up a 
> >>couple of garages, OK, just the one, National, who gave me a price of
> >>62. Then 84, then finally today 62.
> > 
> > 
> > IME, Nissan pads can be both hard to get hold of and expensive,
> > depending on which calipers they fitted that day.
> 
> Hrm. Sounds like Nissans. Im after an Oil filter for my mom's car. Same 
> engine as mine, but according to the guy behind the desk, there's a 
> choice of two oil filters!
> 
> 
> >>They don't quote for labour, but they did quote:
> >>
> >>62 for the pads
> > 
> > 
> > That's not too bad.
> 
> Which is what I thought... before I found that the pads they fitted WERE 
> FErrodo, and available in Halfords for 25.
> 
> 
> >>90 each for the Discs
> > 
> > That's taking the piss. I'd actually be surprised if the rear discs
> > needed changing. I've never had a car that could wear out it's rears.
> 
> Hold on. Let me get the photo out...
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjdean/33403372/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjdean/33403371/
> 

FUCK. Nice to see you feel brakes aren't worth bothering maintaining 
properly.


-- 
Conor

If Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened 
rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic 
music.

In article , Simon Dean says...


> Of course, whether you consider the Haynes book of lies to me more
> reliably... put it like this... at least the didn't take a lump hammer
> to the brake discs, and had a larger assortment of tools than a couple
> of screw drivers a couple of ratchets and a heavy hammer to prise the
> pad away from the disc, to tighten up according to feel, and to knock
> the shit out of the brake disc and hub...


Sometimes you need to use a large hammer and a pry bar - usually on 
vehicles that have brakes as shitly maintained as yours.

-- 
Conor

If Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened 
rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic 
music.

In article , Simon Dean says...


> Sort of but not quite... that was certainly true for the pads... but the 
> discs at 90 each was a bit steep in my opinion, and Im not on the ball 
> recently, anyone can quote exuberant figures at me get me to believe 
> it's the best deal going...
> 
> 

Perhaps if you'd not been such a tight arse twat, the pads would have 
got changed long before they scored the discs.



> > And still you want more off them because you found it cheaper
> > elsewhere.
> 
> It's not really a case of being say 10 cheaper elsewhere, but I mean, 
> in terms of physical goods, if I bought the parts, it would have been 
> 50% less than what they charged me... and I realise their prices include 
> labour and popping next door to get the parts from Car Spares... but at 
> that, their costs would have been cheaper than mine, so when I break it 
> down (since there's no break down of costs, as they're a tyre fitter 
> remember), I figure I've effectively been charged 75+ for an hours work.
> 

Moron. THey charge parts for jobs out at retail, not what it costs them 
plus labour.
 
-- 
Conor

If Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened 
rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic 
music.

In article , Simon Dean says...


> Unfortunately those discs are attached to something...
> 

And?


-- 
Conor

If Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened 
rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic 
music.

> 
> Sometimes you need to use a large hammer and a pry bar - usually on 
> vehicles that have brakes as shitly maintained as yours.
> 


Yeah... sure... Whatever...

So your brake discs don't rust onto the hub because, what, you dismantle 
your car every six months?

Conor wrote:

> In article , Simon Dean says...
> 
> 
>>Sort of but not quite... that was certainly true for the pads... but the 
>>discs at 90 each was a bit steep in my opinion, and Im not on the ball 
>>recently, anyone can quote exuberant figures at me get me to believe 
>>it's the best deal going...
>>
>>
> 
> Perhaps if you'd not been such a tight arse twat, the pads would have 
> got changed long before they scored the discs.


So when would you change the pads? Every six months or so? How can you 
tell if a pad's wearing unevenly?

Of course, if you knew me, you'd know I value the braking system on my 
car more than anything else, and I carry out a visual inspection regularly.

The back brakes, Im never too fussed about frankly... because there's 
not a lot of stopping power in the rears. But my first indication 
something was wrong, was when there was some grinding noise... despite 
the fact that a visual inspection proved there was enough meat left on 
the pads. Of course, working with cars eight hours a day five days a 
week... you probably have a different method for checking brakes...




>>It's not really a case of being say 10 cheaper elsewhere, but I mean, 
>>in terms of physical goods, if I bought the parts, it would have been 
>>50% less than what they charged me... and I realise their prices include 
>>labour and popping next door to get the parts from Car Spares... but at 
>>that, their costs would have been cheaper than mine, so when I break it 
>>down (since there's no break down of costs, as they're a tyre fitter 
>>remember), I figure I've effectively been charged 75+ for an hours work.
>>
> 
> Moron. THey charge parts for jobs out at retail, not what it costs them 
> plus labour.
>  


Of course, working with cars 8 hours a day 5 days a week, I wouldn't 
have expected you to have grabbed the fundamentals of reading, 
comprehension, maths, logic and fundamental business economics. Though 
Im glad to see you have weak observational insults down to a tee, being 
the authority on everything, and swearing like crazy.

Ok, Moron, I know they charge whatever they want for goods... "jobs out 
at retail", that's why there's no breakdown, just the one quotable figure.

But in any business, as Im sure you understand, being the all 
knowledgeable twat, there are costs and overheads associated with the 
item. Cost of the parts, labout, premises etc... of which even at the 
most exuberant costs for parts, there's 75 left over to labour.

Cya
Simon

Conor wrote:

> In article , Simon Dean says...
> 
> 
>>Unfortunately those discs are attached to something...
>>
> 
> And?
> 
> 


you know, things like steering, or suspension, and I don't like the idea 
of whacking seven sorts of shit out of a brake disc like that... of 
course, you probably drive over pot holes "Duh, it won't damage my car", 
only the wheel.

Anyhow, you're obviously some sort of troll

In article ,
   Simon Dean  wrote:

> I do a lot of things on the car myself, and have done the brake pads a 
> few times... but I kind of draw the line at brake discs.


It depends on the car, but on mine I'd say changing the pads is actually
more complicated than changing the discs. Although of course you have to
effectively remove the pads before you can get at the disc.

Some cars have the discs fixed to the back of the hub, and on FWD types
can be a major job to change.

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In article <1h16svz.gakkzf1g885nxN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>,
   SteveH  wrote:

> That's taking the piss. I'd actually be surprised if the rear discs
> needed changing. I've never had a car that could wear out it's rears.


BMWs do - but at about half or one third the rate of the fronts. So say
somewhere round about 80,000 miles or so.

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Simon Dean wrote:

>
> How do you know they used the wrong tools for the job and didn't do it
> professionally? Do you have any knowledge of my experience? Were you
> there today?
>
> Cya
> Simon


The fact that you can't do a simple job of changing discs and got ripped off 
on the price of them, says a lot for your 'experience'

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