As I've said, my T5 has had a recent cambelt & tensioner change. I've just 
been reading on honestjohn about seizing waterpumps on TDI engines, leading 
to cambelt failure and subsequently a ruined engine.

This has got me just a little worried, as it's done 96k and has no record 
of the waterpump being replaced. Can anyone tell me if the T5 has a belt 
driven waterpump or is it off the crank?
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"Stu"  wrote in message
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>
> As I've said, my T5 has had a recent cambelt & tensioner change. I've just
> been reading on honestjohn about seizing waterpumps on TDI engines,
leading
> to cambelt failure and subsequently a ruined engine.
>
> This has got me just a little worried, as it's done 96k and has no record
> of the waterpump being replaced. Can anyone tell me if the T5 has a belt
> driven waterpump or is it off the crank?



Its driven by the timing belt. Personnally I replaced the pump along with
the belt, idler and tensioner at 70k on ours for piece of mind.

Tim..

"Tim.."  wrote in
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> 
> "Stu"  wrote in message
> news:Xns96AFC703A40F9nobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>>
>> As I've said, my T5 has had a recent cambelt & tensioner change. I've
>> just been reading on honestjohn about seizing waterpumps on TDI
>> engines, 
> leading
>> to cambelt failure and subsequently a ruined engine.
>>
>> This has got me just a little worried, as it's done 96k and has no
>> record of the waterpump being replaced. Can anyone tell me if the T5
>> has a belt driven waterpump or is it off the crank?
> 
> 
> Its driven by the timing belt. Personnally I replaced the pump along
> with the belt, idler and tensioner at 70k on ours for piece of mind.
> 
> Tim..
> 
> 

Ah. Not sure what to do, now. I'd like a new pump for peace of mind, but 
wouldn't I have to use another new belt? It's only just been done and 
they are 40, the pump itself is only 24!

Bit of a dilemma. What's the belt replacement job like? Procedure look 
fairly straightforward in Autodata.


-- 
Stuart Sharp

Stu  wrote:


> > Its driven by the timing belt. Personnally I replaced the pump along
> > with the belt, idler and tensioner at 70k on ours for piece of mind.
> > 
> > Tim..
> > 
> > 
> Ah. Not sure what to do, now. I'd like a new pump for peace of mind, but
> wouldn't I have to use another new belt? It's only just been done and
> they are 40, the pump itself is only 24!
> 
> Bit of a dilemma. What's the belt replacement job like? Procedure look
> fairly straightforward in Autodata.


Belt replacement is a notoriously painful job on transverse 5-pot
engines :-(
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steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote in news:1h15i1b.1k69m5us0q4oyN%
steve@italiancar.co.uk:


> Stu  wrote:
> 
>> > Its driven by the timing belt. Personnally I replaced the pump along
>> > with the belt, idler and tensioner at 70k on ours for piece of mind.
>> > 
>> > Tim..
>> > 
>> > 
>> Ah. Not sure what to do, now. I'd like a new pump for peace of mind, 
but
>> wouldn't I have to use another new belt? It's only just been done and
>> they are 40, the pump itself is only 24!
>> 
>> Bit of a dilemma. What's the belt replacement job like? Procedure look
>> fairly straightforward in Autodata.
> 
> Belt replacement is a notoriously painful job on transverse 5-pot
> engines :-(


Well, I know that such has a Fiat Coupe needs engine removal to do the 
job. But in the big Volvo engine bay, it doesn't look too tightly 
shoehorned in. I wouldn't have thought access would be too bad with the 
NSF wheel removed.

According to the book, it takes 1.6 hours to do the job, so not too bad a 
job for someone competent. Personally, I'd be happy with twice that, but 
as long as it's not a complete nightmare, I'd be willing to have a go.

I wish I could just trust the waterpump and leave it alone. Under present 
circumstances, it will be many years before the belt itself is due 
another replacement. In fact, I'll probably have another car by then!

-- 
Stuart Sharp

SteveH wrote:

> Stu  wrote:
>
>>> Its driven by the timing belt. Personnally I replaced the pump along
>>> with the belt, idler and tensioner at 70k on ours for piece of mind.
>>>
>>> Tim..
>>>
>>>
>> Ah. Not sure what to do, now. I'd like a new pump for peace of mind,
>> but wouldn't I have to use another new belt? It's only just been
>> done and they are 40, the pump itself is only 24!
>>
>> Bit of a dilemma. What's the belt replacement job like? Procedure
>> look fairly straightforward in Autodata.
>
> Belt replacement is a notoriously painful job on transverse 5-pot
> engines :-(


only on italian ones.
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Tim S Kemp  wrote:


> SteveH wrote:
> > Stu  wrote:
> >
> >>> Its driven by the timing belt. Personnally I replaced the pump along
> >>> with the belt, idler and tensioner at 70k on ours for piece of mind.
> >>>
> >>> Tim..
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Ah. Not sure what to do, now. I'd like a new pump for peace of mind,
> >> but wouldn't I have to use another new belt? It's only just been
> >> done and they are 40, the pump itself is only 24!
> >>
> >> Bit of a dilemma. What's the belt replacement job like? Procedure
> >> look fairly straightforward in Autodata.
> >
> > Belt replacement is a notoriously painful job on transverse 5-pot
> > engines :-(
> 
> only on italian ones.


Or the new Focus RS..... (or whatever it's going to be called)

Anything in that class is going to be a PITA with a 5 pot lump.

I can see that in a bloated barge like an S70 it will be a bit easier,
though.
-- 
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http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Stu wrote:


> According to the book, it takes 1.6 hours to do the job, so not too
> bad a job for someone competent. Personally, I'd be happy with twice
> that, but as long as it's not a complete nightmare, I'd be willing to
> have a go.
>
> I wish I could just trust the waterpump and leave it alone. Under
> present circumstances, it will be many years before the belt itself
> is due another replacement. In fact, I'll probably have another car
> by then!


To be honest - doing a cambelt isn't a "have a go" kind of job, and I've 
never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.

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> Well, I know that such has a Fiat Coupe needs engine removal to do the
> job. But in the big Volvo engine bay, it doesn't look too tightly
> shoehorned in. I wouldn't have thought access would be too bad with the
> NSF wheel removed.


Not quite true - it is possible to do the Fiat Coupe, Marea and Bravo HGT 
5-pot with the engine in situ if u have the right tools, it's just a bit of 
a bugger to do :)

Hellraiser............>

"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in 
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> Stu wrote:
> 
>> According to the book, it takes 1.6 hours to do the job, so not too
>> bad a job for someone competent. Personally, I'd be happy with twice
>> that, but as long as it's not a complete nightmare, I'd be willing to
>> have a go.
>>
>> I wish I could just trust the waterpump and leave it alone. Under
>> present circumstances, it will be many years before the belt itself
>> is due another replacement. In fact, I'll probably have another car
>> by then!
> 
> To be honest - doing a cambelt isn't a "have a go" kind of job, and I've 
> never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.
> 


Bad choice of words, but I do fell sufficiently competent to be able to do 
it. As for the waterpump, there seems to be a lot of scaremongering on the 
volvoclub forums.....

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> "Tim.."  wrote in
> news:ddgafe$sdr$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com:
>
> >
> > "Stu"  wrote in message
> > news:Xns96AFC703A40F9nobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
> >>
> >> As I've said, my T5 has had a recent cambelt & tensioner change. I've
> >> just been reading on honestjohn about seizing waterpumps on TDI
> >> engines,
> > leading
> >> to cambelt failure and subsequently a ruined engine.
> >>
> >> This has got me just a little worried, as it's done 96k and has no
> >> record of the waterpump being replaced. Can anyone tell me if the T5
> >> has a belt driven waterpump or is it off the crank?
> >
> >
> > Its driven by the timing belt. Personnally I replaced the pump along
> > with the belt, idler and tensioner at 70k on ours for piece of mind.
> >
> > Tim..
> >
> >
> Ah. Not sure what to do, now. I'd like a new pump for peace of mind, but
> wouldn't I have to use another new belt? It's only just been done and
> they are 40, the pump itself is only 24!
>
> Bit of a dilemma. What's the belt replacement job like? Procedure look
> fairly straightforward in Autodata.


Its simple enough job, just alittle time consuming- more so if your car has
the hydraulic rather than spring loaded tensioner, which *must* not be
rushed into the closed state. (at least 20mins).

The worse part of the water pump is scraping off the old gasket which
invariably tears and sticks like glue to the block!

Tim..

"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
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> Stu wrote:
>
> > According to the book, it takes 1.6 hours to do the job, so not too
> > bad a job for someone competent. Personally, I'd be happy with twice
> > that, but as long as it's not a complete nightmare, I'd be willing to
> > have a go.
> >
> > I wish I could just trust the waterpump and leave it alone. Under
> > present circumstances, it will be many years before the belt itself
> > is due another replacement. In fact, I'll probably have another car
> > by then!
>
> To be honest - doing a cambelt isn't a "have a go" kind of job,


Well there is that - but from what I understand, it's not the most hellish
job on an 850 / 70 series.


> and I've
> never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.


I have - but mainly TDIs.

"Stu"  wrote in message
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> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in
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>
> > To be honest - doing a cambelt isn't a "have a go" kind of job, and I've
> > never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.
>
> Bad choice of words, but I do fell sufficiently competent to be able to do
> it. As for the waterpump, there seems to be a lot of scaremongering on the
> volvoclub forums.....


There does.

Which I bore in mind, when my S70 had it's second cambelt change (I had it
done at 150k miles).

I mentioned my concerns to the Volvo independent I go to, they said they
always check the tensioner and water pump, and if they feel any roughness,
then they change them, but they don't necessarily do it pre-emptively. When
they did the 150k change (10k early according to Volvo's schedule), they
replaced the tensioner.

I'm currently at 185k miles on the original water pump, and it's not noisy.
When the next cambelt change is due, I'll probably ask them to check it, and
may decide to have it done then.

"Douglas Hall" <@> wrote in
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> "Stu"  wrote in message
> news:Xns96AFF1785DC2Cnobodyhomecom@216.196.109.144...
>> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in
>> news:3pCdnZ2dnZ0NZt2SnZ2dnSdRZt-dnZ2dRVn-052dnZ0@karoo.co.uk:
>>
>> > To be honest - doing a cambelt isn't a "have a go" kind of job, and
>> > I've never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.
>>
>> Bad choice of words, but I do fell sufficiently competent to be able
>> to do it. As for the waterpump, there seems to be a lot of
>> scaremongering on the volvoclub forums.....
> 
> There does.
> 
> Which I bore in mind, when my S70 had it's second cambelt change (I
> had it done at 150k miles).
> 
> I mentioned my concerns to the Volvo independent I go to, they said
> they always check the tensioner and water pump, and if they feel any
> roughness, then they change them, but they don't necessarily do it
> pre-emptively. When they did the 150k change (10k early according to
> Volvo's schedule), they replaced the tensioner.
> 
> I'm currently at 185k miles on the original water pump, and it's not
> noisy. When the next cambelt change is due, I'll probably ask them to
> check it, and may decide to have it done then.
> 
> 
> 

Thanks, Douglas. The tensioner was changed with the belt. I'm sure the 
waterpump will have been checked as your garage does, so I expect it's 
still a good way away from failing. If it was rough, I'm sure it would 
have been changed as nothing else has been skimped on. With this I mind, 
I've decided to leave it alone. It's not as if I'm going to be adding 
significant mileage.


-- 
Stuart Sharp

Stu wrote:


> Thanks, Douglas. The tensioner was changed with the belt. I'm sure the
> waterpump will have been checked as your garage does, so I expect it's
> still a good way away from failing. If it was rough, I'm sure it would
> have been changed as nothing else has been skimped on. With this I
> mind, I've decided to leave it alone. It's not as if I'm going to be
> adding significant mileage.


My independant also does the tensioner regardless. Waterpump is original.

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"Douglas Hall" <@> wrote in message 
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> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message
> news:3pCdnZ2dnZ0NZt2SnZ2dnSdRZt-dnZ2dRVn-052dnZ0@karoo.co.uk...
>> Stu wrote:
>>
>> > According to the book, it takes 1.6 hours to do the job, so not too
>> > bad a job for someone competent. Personally, I'd be happy with twice
>> > that, but as long as it's not a complete nightmare, I'd be willing to
>> > have a go.
>> >
>> > I wish I could just trust the waterpump and leave it alone. Under
>> > present circumstances, it will be many years before the belt itself
>> > is due another replacement. In fact, I'll probably have another car
>> > by then!
>>
>> To be honest - doing a cambelt isn't a "have a go" kind of job,
>
> Well there is that - but from what I understand, it's not the most hellish
> job on an 850 / 70 series.
>
>> and I've
>> never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.
>
> I have - but mainly TDIs.
>
>

yea me too It was a vw 5 pot tdi in a volvo

jOn wrote:


>>> never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.
>>
>> I have - but mainly TDIs.
>>
>>
> yea me too It was a vw 5 pot tdi in a volvo


Ahhh - a shining example of the extended longevity and reliability of diesel 
engines!

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"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in
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> jOn wrote:
> 
>>>> never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.
>>>
>>> I have - but mainly TDIs.
>>>
>>>
>> yea me too It was a vw 5 pot tdi in a volvo
> 
> Ahhh - a shining example of the extended longevity and reliability of
> diesel engines!
> 

I wonder why the diesel waterpump seems to be more prone to failure. 
Different part manufacturer? Different shape casting (i.e. more prone to 
clogging)?


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"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message 
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> jOn wrote:
>
>>>> never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.
>>>
>>> I have - but mainly TDIs.
>>>
>>>
>> yea me too It was a vw 5 pot tdi in a volvo
>
> Ahhh - a shining example of the extended longevity and reliability of 
> diesel engines!


80ish k miles v reg

Stu wrote:

> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in
> news:huOdnRYDpNcUa2HfRVn-hw@karoo.co.uk:
>
>> jOn wrote:
>>
>>>>> never heard of a Volvo 5 cyl waterpump going.
>>>>
>>>> I have - but mainly TDIs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> yea me too It was a vw 5 pot tdi in a volvo
>>
>> Ahhh - a shining example of the extended longevity and reliability of
>> diesel engines!
>>
> I wonder why the diesel waterpump seems to be more prone to failure.
> Different part manufacturer? Different shape casting (i.e. more prone
> to clogging)?


Entirely different engine! the 5 cyl is a Volvo design, the old diesel is an 
Audi design.
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The message 
from "Tim S Kemp"  contains these words:


> Entirely different engine! the 5 cyl is a Volvo design, the old diesel
> is an 
> Audi design.

If it's the Audi 5-cyl 2.5 diesel mine's up to nearly million miles.

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Guy King  wrote in news:313030303432373942FD167D25
@zetnet.co.uk:


> The message 
> from "Tim S Kemp"  contains these words:
> 
>> Entirely different engine! the 5 cyl is a Volvo design, the old diesel
>> is an 
>> Audi design.
> If it's the Audi 5-cyl 2.5 diesel mine's up to nearly million miles.
> 


On the original waterpump? ;-)

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The message 
from Stu  contains these words:


> >> Entirely different engine! the 5 cyl is a Volvo design, the old diesel
> >> is an 
> >> Audi design.
> > If it's the Audi 5-cyl 2.5 diesel mine's up to nearly million miles.
> > 

> On the original waterpump? ;-)


As far as I can tell, the only spare (apart from consumables like belts,
tyres, exhausts, brakes etc) it's ever had is an alternator control
pack.

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