Hi,

Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at both 
a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and the 
ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.

Any views on either of these? What mileage should the cambelt be changed?

Thanks,

Mark

make sure they've had the handbrake recall

"Mark"  wrote in message 
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> Hi,
>
> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at 
> both
> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and the
> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
>
> Any views on either of these? What mileage should the cambelt be changed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> 

"Mark"  wrote in message 
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> Hi,
>
> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at 
> both
> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and the
> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
>
> Any views on either of these? What mileage should the cambelt be changed?


Typical ford turbo diesel, no power followed by full power delivery, with 
nothing in between.

No cambelt. Chain driven, also with the classic ford rattle.

In article <X6MKe.86903$G8.49038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
mpeard@blueyonder.co.uk says...

> Hi,
> 
> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at both 
> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and the 
> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
> 
> Any views on either of these? What mileage should the cambelt be changed?


Engine: Great. No belt, it's chain drive. Lots of poke. Masses of torque. 
Has pretty much the road speed/gear behaviour of my old 2.0 petrol.

As for the toss-up between the Ghia and Ghia X, the X has everything that 
the Ghia has, plus fully electric drivers seat (buttons & motors rather 
than levers to pull), leather seats all round, plus bigger wheels that need 
more expensive tyres.

My Mondeo is now 2 years old, and it's a very early facelift model (Sony 
head unit rather than the Ford 6006 unit).

I'd *personally* go for the facelift model. You get a lot more toys with 
it!

Pete.

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:43:19 GMT, Mark wrote:


> Hi,
> 
> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at both 
> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and the 
> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
> 
> Any views on either of these? What mileage should the cambelt be changed?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark


Chain cam AFAIK

and it's got a fair amount of poke
I had my bosses tdci estate with 6 speeds and it was good on the motorway 
and outhandled the vetra sri I had a few weeks later
on a track I would say it would have been neck and neck, but on the road the 
mondeo was miles quicker round corners before the traction control and 
stability stuff kicked in, the vectra was dangerous in those conditions

it's also got huge amounts of space in the rear as well as a fairly 
cavernous boot with standard equipment being fairly comprehensive
if you are getting the 130 version then you are more than likely going to 
get the subtle faclifted version


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> make sure they've had the handbrake recall
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message 
> news:X6MKe.86903$G8.49038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at 
>> both
>> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and 
>> the
>> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
>>
>> Any views on either of these? What mileage should the cambelt be changed?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
> 

In article <X6MKe.86903$G8.49038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Mark 
says...

> Hi,
> 
> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at both 
> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and the 
> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
> 
> Any views on either of these? 


Yeah - can't run them on chip fat. THe injectors don't like it.


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music.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:43:55 +0100, Conor wrote:


> In article <X6MKe.86903$G8.49038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Mark 
> says...
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at both 
>> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and the 
>> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
>> 
>> Any views on either of these? 
> 
> Yeah - can't run them on chip fat. THe injectors don't like it.


And if you run proper biodiesel instead of SVO?

In article , ngfb@chris-
street.demon.co.uk says...

> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:43:55 +0100, Conor wrote:
> 
> > In article <X6MKe.86903$G8.49038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Mark 
> > says...
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at both 
> >> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and the 
> >> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
> >> 
> >> Any views on either of these? 
> > 
> > Yeah - can't run them on chip fat. THe injectors don't like it.
> 
> And if you run proper biodiesel instead of SVO?
> 


See Conors answer about chip fat :-)

The manual says absolutely no more than 5% biodiesel to normal diesel.

Pete.

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:53:19 +0100, Pete Smith wrote:


> In article , ngfb@chris-
> street.demon.co.uk says...
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:43:55 +0100, Conor wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <X6MKe.86903$G8.49038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Mark 
>>> says...
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at both 
>>>> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and the 
>>>> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
>>>> 
>>>> Any views on either of these? 
>>> 
>>> Yeah - can't run them on chip fat. THe injectors don't like it.
>> 
>> And if you run proper biodiesel instead of SVO?
>> 
> 
> See Conors answer about chip fat :-)


Which isn't the same as SVO that's been reprocessed and treated with
methoxide.


> 
> The manual says absolutely no more than 5% biodiesel to normal diesel.
> 
> Pete.


Which is lawyer-backside covering - the same pumps are used on German cars
that can take biodiesel AFAIK. Not sure about the injector system though.

"Chris Street"  wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:53:19 +0100, Pete Smith wrote:
>
>> In article , ngfb@chris-
>> street.demon.co.uk says...
>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:43:55 +0100, Conor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <X6MKe.86903$G8.49038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Mark
>>>> says...
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked 
>>>>> at both
>>>>> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and 
>>>>> the
>>>>> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any views on either of these?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah - can't run them on chip fat. THe injectors don't like it.
>>>
>>> And if you run proper biodiesel instead of SVO?
>>>
>>
>> See Conors answer about chip fat :-)
>
> Which isn't the same as SVO that's been reprocessed and treated with
> methoxide.
>
>>
>> The manual says absolutely no more than 5% biodiesel to normal diesel.
>>
>> Pete.
>
> Which is lawyer-backside covering - the same pumps are used on German cars
> that can take biodiesel AFAIK. Not sure about the injector system though.



BMW engines are not compatible. Don't know about Mercedes.

Huw

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>
> "Mark"  wrote in message 
> news:X6MKe.86903$G8.49038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked at 
>> both
>> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and 
>> the
>> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
>>
>> Any views on either of these? What mileage should the cambelt be changed?
>
> Typical ford turbo diesel, no power followed by full power delivery, with 
> nothing in between.

Heh.

> No cambelt. Chain driven, also with the classic ford rattle.


Wrong.

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"Chris Street"  wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:53:19 +0100, Pete Smith wrote:
>
>> In article , ngfb@chris-
>> street.demon.co.uk says...
>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:43:55 +0100, Conor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <X6MKe.86903$G8.49038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Mark
>>>> says...
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking of changing the 406 2.1 TD for a Mondeo TDCi. I have looked 
>>>>> at both
>>>>> a Ghia and a Ghia X. The X is 2 years old BUT has 83k on the clock and 
>>>>> the
>>>>> ghia is 2.5 years old with 66k. I think both are 130 HP variants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any views on either of these?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah - can't run them on chip fat. THe injectors don't like it.
>>>
>>> And if you run proper biodiesel instead of SVO?
>>>
>>
>> See Conors answer about chip fat :-)
>
> Which isn't the same as SVO that's been reprocessed and treated with
> methoxide.
>
>>
>> The manual says absolutely no more than 5% biodiesel to normal diesel.
>>
>> Pete.
>
> Which is lawyer-backside covering - the same pumps are used on German cars
> that can take biodiesel AFAIK. Not sure about the injector system though.


Either / or why, if the handbook says don't run it on more than five percent 
biodiesel, don't do it.

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> > No cambelt. Chain driven, also with the classic ford rattle.
>
> Wrong.
>

Wrong in what way? The TDCI is chain driven.

"SimonJ"  wrote in message 
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>> > No cambelt. Chain driven, also with the classic ford rattle.
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
> Wrong in what way? The TDCI is chain driven.



The rattle bit!  I was cut off whilst writing. :-/

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