Hi,

The local plumbing school is running a "Part P" course which it says is 
aimed at DIYers, plumbers and other people who have cause to do bits of 
domestic  wiring from time to time. The implication is that with this 
course in the bag, one can self certificate any electrical works done.

Does this sound plausible/possible?

If so, where would I be allowed to do electrical work?

Obviously, my own home, but how about the home of a friend? How about a 
house that I own and rent out to tenants?

I have done bits of wiring for years and consider myself 'capable', but 
obviously these new laws have come in and I'm looking for a way to 
legally put myself back where I was before in terms of legitimacy.

The course is 2 days IIRC and costs around 600 so obviously I want it 
to be worthwhile!

AJ

"Alex Bloor"  wrote in message 
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> Hi,
>
> The local plumbing school is running a "Part P" course which it says is 
> aimed at DIYers, plumbers and other people who have cause to do bits of 
> domestic  wiring from time to time. The implication is that with this 
> course in the bag, one can self certificate any electrical works done.
>
> Does this sound plausible/possible?
>
> If so, where would I be allowed to do electrical work?
>
> Obviously, my own home, but how about the home of a friend? How about a 
> house that I own and rent out to tenants?
>
> I have done bits of wiring for years and consider myself 'capable', but 
> obviously these new laws have come in and I'm looking for a way to legally 
> put myself back where I was before in terms of legitimacy.
>
> The course is 2 days IIRC and costs around 600 so obviously I want it to 
> be worthwhile!
>
> AJ

Don't know about the quality of the course, but you're not working in my 
house after only two days drinking very expensive coffee!
Pat

"Alex Bloor"  wrote in message 
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> Hi,
>
> The local plumbing school is running a "Part P" course which it says is 
> aimed at DIYers, plumbers and other people who have cause to do bits of 
> domestic  wiring from time to time. The implication is that with this 
> course in the bag, one can self certificate any electrical works done.
>
> Does this sound plausible/possible?
>
> If so, where would I be allowed to do electrical work?
>
> Obviously, my own home, but how about the home of a friend? How about a 
> house that I own and rent out to tenants?
>
> I have done bits of wiring for years and consider myself 'capable', but 
> obviously these new laws have come in and I'm looking for a way to legally 
> put myself back where I was before in terms of legitimacy.
>
> The course is 2 days IIRC and costs around 600 so obviously I want it to 
> be worthwhile!
>
> AJ


This really takes the piss with the part P idea. I am a time served 
electrician progressed to printing machinery and now multiskilled.
I have installed (from unloading off a wagon in shipping crates, assembling 
and commisioning) 1/2 million pound printing machinery; I daily work on 5 
million pound printing equipment.
We use extreemly flamable solvents in the procces and a single spark (even 
from static) will potentially flatten a 25 million pound factory! But I 
cannot be trusted to add a ring circuit in my kitchen to the required 
standard.

But for 600 and a 2 day course you can come and sign off my socket circuit 
as safe, as long as I pay your required "fee"!

PS not having a go at you mate!

Tim Morley wrote:

> "Alex Bloor"  wrote in message 
> news:42fa03d0$0$38045$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>The local plumbing school is running a "Part P" course which it says is 
>>aimed at DIYers, plumbers and other people who have cause to do bits of 
>>domestic  wiring from time to time. The implication is that with this 
>>course in the bag, one can self certificate any electrical works done.
>>
>>Does this sound plausible/possible?
>>
>>If so, where would I be allowed to do electrical work?
>>
>>Obviously, my own home, but how about the home of a friend? How about a 
>>house that I own and rent out to tenants?
>>
>>I have done bits of wiring for years and consider myself 'capable', but 
>>obviously these new laws have come in and I'm looking for a way to legally 
>>put myself back where I was before in terms of legitimacy.
>>
>>The course is 2 days IIRC and costs around 600 so obviously I want it to 
>>be worthwhile!
>>
>>AJ
> 
> 
> This really takes the piss with the part P idea. I am a time served 
> electrician progressed to printing machinery and now multiskilled.
> I have installed (from unloading off a wagon in shipping crates, assembling 
> and commisioning) 1/2 million pound printing machinery; I daily work on 5 
> million pound printing equipment.
> We use extreemly flamable solvents in the procces and a single spark (even 
> from static) will potentially flatten a 25 million pound factory! But I 
> cannot be trusted to add a ring circuit in my kitchen to the required 
> standard.
> 
> But for 600 and a 2 day course you can come and sign off my socket circuit 
> as safe, as long as I pay your required "fee"!
> 
> PS not having a go at you mate!
> 
> 


:o))) No, I know, and I kind of half expected some responses a bit like 
yours!

I totally agree it's nonsense. I have done ringmain wiring, installed 
extra sockets, and so on and so on. I take great care and think 
carefully. I believe my work would stand up to scrutiny. I don't like 
the fact that I am no longer legitimately allowed to do these things, 
which is why I figure if I can jump through a (predominantly 
administrative) hoop and get legitimate again, I may do it.

I doubt the course will teach me much about safety or about the 
principles of electricity. I was a qualified radio amateur, and the 
technical component of that course was apparently beyond degree level 
[albeit in a very narrow field]. Added to which I have done loads of 
wiring jobs in the past and nobody has died yet ;o)

All I was after was confirming that the hoop I was planning to jump 
through would give me the required level of bureaucracy to carry on!

A.

I.think you will also have to do a couple of rewires and have them checked
by an 'approved' body.Plus buying a load of testing equipment.
Strange that an electrician can do commercial / industrial work but not
domestic installations. I'ts all to do with tax to stop the 'fiddle' jobs'
Don't forget it a two way thing - tax man also knows what work you have had
done to your house - where do you get the money from ?
I would just do your jobs as normal and say nothing !



"Alex Bloor"  wrote in message
news:42fa03d0$0$38045$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...

> Hi,
>
> The local plumbing school is running a "Part P" course which it says is
> aimed at DIYers, plumbers and other people who have cause to do bits of
> domestic  wiring from time to time. The implication is that with this
> course in the bag, one can self certificate any electrical works done.
>
> Does this sound plausible/possible?
>
> If so, where would I be allowed to do electrical work?
>
> Obviously, my own home, but how about the home of a friend? How about a
> house that I own and rent out to tenants?
>
> I have done bits of wiring for years and consider myself 'capable', but
> obviously these new laws have come in and I'm looking for a way to
> legally put myself back where I was before in terms of legitimacy.
>
> The course is 2 days IIRC and costs around 600 so obviously I want it
> to be worthwhile!
>
> AJ

"Alex Bloor"  wrote in message
news:42fb17d8$0$38046$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...

> Tim Morley wrote:
> > "Alex Bloor"  wrote in message
> > news:42fa03d0$0$38045$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>The local plumbing school is running a "Part P" course which it says is
> >>aimed at DIYers, plumbers and other people who have cause to do bits of
> >>domestic  wiring from time to time. The implication is that with this
> >>course in the bag, one can self certificate any electrical works done.
> >>
> >>Does this sound plausible/possible?
> >>
> >>If so, where would I be allowed to do electrical work?
> >>
> >>Obviously, my own home, but how about the home of a friend? How about a
> >>house that I own and rent out to tenants?
> >>
> >>I have done bits of wiring for years and consider myself 'capable', but
> >>obviously these new laws have come in and I'm looking for a way to
legally
> >>put myself back where I was before in terms of legitimacy.
> >>
> >>The course is 2 days IIRC and costs around 600 so obviously I want it
to
> >>be worthwhile!
> >>
> >>AJ
> >
> >
> > This really takes the piss with the part P idea. I am a time served
> > electrician progressed to printing machinery and now multiskilled.
> > I have installed (from unloading off a wagon in shipping crates,
assembling
> > and commisioning) 1/2 million pound printing machinery; I daily work on
5
> > million pound printing equipment.
> > We use extreemly flamable solvents in the procces and a single spark
(even
> > from static) will potentially flatten a 25 million pound factory! But I
> > cannot be trusted to add a ring circuit in my kitchen to the required
> > standard.
> >
> > But for 600 and a 2 day course you can come and sign off my socket
circuit
> > as safe, as long as I pay your required "fee"!
> >
> > PS not having a go at you mate!
> >
> >
>
> :o))) No, I know, and I kind of half expected some responses a bit like
> yours!
>
> I totally agree it's nonsense. I have done ringmain wiring, installed
> extra sockets, and so on and so on. I take great care and think
> carefully. I believe my work would stand up to scrutiny. I don't like
> the fact that I am no longer legitimately allowed to do these things,
> which is why I figure if I can jump through a (predominantly
> administrative) hoop and get legitimate again, I may do it.
>
> I doubt the course will teach me much about safety or about the
> principles of electricity. I was a qualified radio amateur, and the
> technical component of that course was apparently beyond degree level
> [albeit in a very narrow field].


A ridiculous statement!