An article in the current GNER 'Livewire' magazine:

"Finding a great-value fare shouldn't be taxing - that's why GNER is 
changing to a simplified range of reduced-price fares that are as easy 
to understand as they are to book.

"The new fares will replace the current Off Peak (First and Standard), 
Apex, SuperAdvance and Leisure First fares from September 25.  From that 
date, there will be just one consistent set of terms and conditions, and 
all prices will be quoted in single fares, normally priced at half the 
current return equivalents.

"This will enable you to mix and match outward and return journeys more 
easily, offering greater freedom in choosing when you travel.  It also 
means you can shop around for cheaper fares if you are prepared to be 
more flexible with your travel plans - in fact, GNER will be offering 
its cheapest-ever fares for passengers making a single journey.

"Some cheaper tickets may be available up to the day before departure - 
although, obviously, the sooner you book, the better your chance of 
getting a lower fare."

Mark Morton  wrote:

> 
> "This will enable you to mix and match outward and return journeys more 
> easily, offering greater freedom in choosing when you travel.  It also 
> means you can shop around for cheaper fares if you are prepared to be 
> more flexible with your travel plans - in fact, GNER will be offering 
> its cheapest-ever fares for passengers making a single journey.
> 
> "Some cheaper tickets may be available up to the day before departure - 
> although, obviously, the sooner you book, the better your chance of 
> getting a lower fare."



LOL.... the game of "spot the nineteen quid York to London return" has
been somewhat akin to hunting needles in haystacks lately, let's hope
there's a slightly more transparent structure. Oh and let's hope there's
still cheap first-class fares - GNER first class can be one of the best
bargains on the rails.

pete
-- 
pete@fenelon.com "There's no room for enigmas in built-up areas"

Pete Fenelon wrote:

> Mark Morton  wrote:
> 
>>"This will enable you to mix and match outward and return journeys more 
>>easily, offering greater freedom in choosing when you travel.  It also 
>>means you can shop around for cheaper fares if you are prepared to be 
>>more flexible with your travel plans - in fact, GNER will be offering 
>>its cheapest-ever fares for passengers making a single journey.
>>
>>"Some cheaper tickets may be available up to the day before departure - 
>>although, obviously, the sooner you book, the better your chance of 
>>getting a lower fare."
> 
> LOL.... the game of "spot the nineteen quid York to London return" has
> been somewhat akin to hunting needles in haystacks lately, let's hope
> there's a slightly more transparent structure.


I've always found getting GNER cheap tickets relatively easy.  Look on 
the GNER homepage and see what dates they're currently booking tickets 
for.  If tickets are being booked for the date you want to travel and 
there's no cheap ones available then I've always presumed that they're 
sold out.  If they're not booking yet then fill the form in and they'll 
email you and let you know when.

I've never bought VV tickets but from reading people's experiences on 
here, VVs seem to be a pain in the bum - constantly going back and 
seeing if new tickets have been released etc.

Mark Morton wrote:

> An article in the current GNER 'Livewire' magazine:
> 
> "Finding a great-value fare shouldn't be taxing - that's why GNER is 
> changing to a simplified range of reduced-price fares that are as easy 
> to understand as they are to book.


They're also covered in the latest issue of Newsrail Express.
-- 
Michael Hoffman

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:40:26 +0100, Mark Morton
 wrote:


>"The new fares will replace the current Off Peak (First and Standard), 
>Apex, SuperAdvance and Leisure First fares from September 25.  From that 
>date, there will be just one consistent set of terms and conditions, and 
>all prices will be quoted in single fares, normally priced at half the 
>current return equivalents.


Good to see it.  Now, can we have the same approach for Opens, Savers
and the likes?

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

Pete Fenelon wrote:


> LOL.... the game of "spot the nineteen quid York to London return" has
> been somewhat akin to hunting needles in haystacks lately, 


It's quite easy:

1) Fill in the "Now Booking" ticket quota release date thingy on GNER's 
Homepage for the date(s) you want to travel on.

2) Get E-mail for GNER saying you can now book your tickets

3) Pop down to station travel centre in lunch hour

4) Walk out with a 19ukp return to London

Worked for me!

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:40:26 +0100, Mark Morton
 wrote:


>An article in the current GNER 'Livewire' magazine:
>
>"Finding a great-value fare shouldn't be taxing - that's why GNER is 
>changing to a simplified range of reduced-price fares that are as easy 
>to understand as they are to book.
>
>"The new fares will replace the current Off Peak (First and Standard), 
>Apex, SuperAdvance and Leisure First fares from September 25.  From that 
>date, there will be just one consistent set of terms and conditions, and 
>all prices will be quoted in single fares, normally priced at half the 
>current return equivalents.
>
>"This will enable you to mix and match outward and return journeys more 
>easily, offering greater freedom in choosing when you travel.  It also 
>means you can shop around for cheaper fares if you are prepared to be 
>more flexible with your travel plans - in fact, GNER will be offering 
>its cheapest-ever fares for passengers making a single journey.
>
>"Some cheaper tickets may be available up to the day before departure - 
>although, obviously, the sooner you book, the better your chance of 
>getting a lower fare."


I read this as meaning that I will no longer be able to get a 1st
class off-peak return from Leeds to London for 59 (or maybe even 79)
if I book it far enough in advance.

So many GNER trains are so full that this can only be an exercise in
fare increases, rather than decreases.

-- 
 
Regards

Mike

mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:46:04 +0100, Mike Roebuck
 wrote:

[GNER switching to Advance Purchase Singles, in a Virgin kinda way]


>I read this as meaning that I will no longer be able to get a 1st
>class off-peak return from Leeds to London for 59 (or maybe even 79)
>if I book it far enough in advance.


Correct. Instead, you should be able to get two Singles, costing around
29.50 each. Maybe. If you're lucky. But don't hold your breath.

Cheers,

Barry

-- 
Barry Salter, barry at southie dot me dot uk
Read uk.* newsgroups? Read uk.net.news.announce!

"Barry Salter"  wrote in message
news:0p4kf1p5bthendsppmce6emqe28kpgnvn2@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:46:04 +0100, Mike Roebuck
>  wrote:
>
> >I read this as meaning that I will no longer be able to get a 1st
> >class off-peak return from Leeds to London for 59 (or maybe even 79)
> >if I book it far enough in advance.
>
> Correct. Instead, you should be able to get two Singles, costing around
> 29.50 each. Maybe. If you're lucky. But don't hold your breath.
>

But you might be able to get the GBP29.50 ticket on one leg of the journey,
but either pay more, or slum it in standard, the other way. At present you
won't get a GBP59 ticket if there's availability one way but not the other.

Peter

In message , at 23:46:04 on 
Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Mike Roebuck  remarked:


>So many GNER trains are so full that this can only be an exercise in
>fare increases, rather than decreases.


It was widely recognised, when GNER won the franchise renewal as the 
result of paying a huge premium, that they would have to get more money 
from the passengers to make their business plan viable.
-- 
Roland Perry

A few more details on the change.

Their will be three tiers of off peak fares in Standard, and five tiers in
First.

All the fares will be available until 23:59 the day before travel. So if
they haven't sold all of the cheapest fares they will available past the
current two week deadline and they can be sold until they sell out, and so
on until with the others.

However if booked after 18:00 the day before travel, you will only be
reserved on the train concerned and will not be guaranteed a seat
reservation.


-- 
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Any views or opinions expressed and presented are not those of the author
and do not represent those of his employers, they belong to the voices in
his head.

Stupid Question but whats a W type ticket?

Stupid Question but whats a W type ticket?

I think not wrote:


> Stupid Question but whats a W type ticket?


[I have no idea what you are referring to, because you've not quoted
any of the message you are replying to. To do this in Gooogle, click
"view options" then "reply" at the top of the message]

I suspect that it is not a W (doubleyou) but a V.V. (vee vee) type
ticket - V.V. stands for Virgin Value, and is a ticket that requires
you to book in advance, and is only valid on one train, which you must
choose at the time of booking. Some operators have other names for
this kind of ticket, including SuperAdvance and Apex.

-- 
                          Stevie D
    \\\\\       /////     Bringing dating agencies to the
   \\\\\\\__X__///////    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"
___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________

Stevie D (stevieinyork@yahoo.co.uk) said:

> I think not wrote:
>
> > Stupid Question but whats a W type ticket?
>
> [I have no idea what you are referring to, because you've
> not quoted any of the message you are replying to. To do
> this in Gooogle, click "view options" then "reply" at the
> top of the message]
>
> I suspect that it is not a W (doubleyou) but a V.V. (vee
> vee) type ticket - V.V. stands for Virgin Value, and is a
> ticket that requires you to book in advance, and is only
> valid on one train, which you must choose at the time of
> booking. Some operators have other names for this kind of
> ticket, including SuperAdvance and Apex.


SuperAdvance and Apex are return tickets, while VVs are singles (but 
usually bought in pairs)

-- 
Andrew

Andrew Bell wrote:


> SuperAdvance and Apex are return tickets, while VVs are singles (but 
> usually bought in pairs)


SuperAdvance and Apex tickets are usually available as singles or
returns.

-- 
                          Stevie D
    \\\\\       /////     Bringing dating agencies to the
   \\\\\\\__X__///////    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"
___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:18:41 +0100, Stevie D
 wrote:


>SuperAdvance and Apex tickets are usually available as singles or
>returns.


Indeed, but not normally where return=2*single in price terms.  This
is one of the key (and best) properties of the Virgin Value ticketing.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

Stevie D wrote:

> I think not wrote:
>
> > Stupid Question but whats a W type ticket?
>
> [I have no idea what you are referring to, because you've not quoted
> any of the message you are replying to. To do this in Gooogle, click
> "view options" then "reply" at the top of the message]
>
> I suspect that it is not a W (doubleyou) but a V.V. (vee vee) type
> ticket - V.V. stands for Virgin Value, and is a ticket that requires
> you to book in advance, and is only valid on one train, which you must
> choose at the time of booking. Some operators have other names for
> this kind of ticket, including SuperAdvance and Apex.
>
> --
>                           Stevie D
>     \\\\\       /////     Bringing dating agencies to the
>    \\\\\\\__X__///////    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"
> ___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________


Sorry about not quoting. I see now that it is a V V and not a W. By the
way good guess at wht i was refering to and the answer to my question.

Stevie D wrote:

> I think not wrote:
>
> > Stupid Question but whats a W type ticket?
>
> [I have no idea what you are referring to, because you've not quoted
> any of the message you are replying to. To do this in Gooogle, click
> "view options" then "reply" at the top of the message]
>
> I suspect that it is not a W (doubleyou) but a V.V. (vee vee) type
> ticket - V.V. stands for Virgin Value, and is a ticket that requires
> you to book in advance, and is only valid on one train, which you must
> choose at the time of booking. Some operators have other names for
> this kind of ticket, including SuperAdvance and Apex.
>
> --
>                           Stevie D
>     \\\\\       /////     Bringing dating agencies to the
>    \\\\\\\__X__///////    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"
> ___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________


Sorry about not quoting. I see now that it is a V V and not a W. By the
way good guess at wht i was refering to and the answer to my question.

I think not wrote:

> Stevie D wrote:
> > I think not wrote:
> >
> > > Stupid Question but whats a W type ticket?
> >
> > [I have no idea what you are referring to, because you've not quoted
> > any of the message you are replying to. To do this in Gooogle, click
> > "view options" then "reply" at the top of the message]
> >
> > I suspect that it is not a W (doubleyou) but a V.V. (vee vee) type
> > ticket - V.V. stands for Virgin Value, and is a ticket that requires
> > you to book in advance, and is only valid on one train, which you must
> > choose at the time of booking. Some operators have other names for
> > this kind of ticket, including SuperAdvance and Apex.
> >
> > --
> >                           Stevie D
> >     \\\\\       /////     Bringing dating agencies to the
> >    \\\\\\\__X__///////    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"
> > ___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________
>
> Sorry about not quoting. I see now that it is a V V and not a W. By the
> way good guess at what i was refering to and the answer to my question.

Stevie D wrote:

> I think not wrote:
>
> > Stupid Question but whats a W type ticket?
>
> [I have no idea what you are referring to, because you've not quoted
> any of the message you are replying to. To do this in Gooogle, click
> "view options" then "reply" at the top of the message]
>
> I suspect that it is not a W (doubleyou) but a V.V. (vee vee) type
> ticket - V.V. stands for Virgin Value, and is a ticket that requires
> you to book in advance, and is only valid on one train, which you must
> choose at the time of booking. Some operators have other names for
> this kind of ticket, including SuperAdvance and Apex.
>
> --
>                           Stevie D
>     \\\\\       /////     Bringing dating agencies to the
>    \\\\\\\__X__///////    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"


Sorry about not quoting. I see now that it is a V V and not a W. By the

way good guess at what I was refering to and the answer to my question.



> ___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________

Stevie D wrote:

> I think not wrote:
>
> > Stupid Question but whats a W type ticket?
>
> [I have no idea what you are referring to, because you've not quoted
> any of the message you are replying to. To do this in Gooogle, click
> "view options" then "reply" at the top of the message]
>
> I suspect that it is not a W (doubleyou) but a V.V. (vee vee) type
> ticket - V.V. stands for Virgin Value, and is a ticket that requires
> you to book in advance, and is only valid on one train, which you must
> choose at the time of booking. Some operators have other names for
> this kind of ticket, including SuperAdvance and Apex.
>
> --
>                           Stevie D
>     \\\\\       /////     Bringing dating agencies to the
>    \\\\\\\__X__///////    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"


Sorry about not quoting. I see now that it is a V V and not a W. By the

way good guess at what I was refering to and the answer to my question.



> ___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________

New ticketing arrangements worked for me - was able to travel Stevenage
- Newcastle and return for £19 for the first weekend in Coctober.
There did not seem to be any cheap deals available in first class,
though, nor any ability to buy upgrades as you can with Virgin Values.
Or had the quota not been released?