Dear All,



I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry in this 
country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days? Does anyone 
have any stories about problems they've had? I read a story about one woman 
who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because she hadn't been for 15 
months. Is going private the only way? Any thoughts please....



Yours,



--

Richard Johnson

"Richard Johnson"  wrote in message
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> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry in
this
> country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days? Does anyone
> have any stories about problems they've had? I read a story about one
woman
> who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because she hadn't been for 15
> months. Is going private the only way? Any thoughts please....
>
> Yours,
>
> Richard Johnson


Cough! Choke! I'm off for a coffee break

Edwina

"Richard Johnson"  wrote in message 
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> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry in 
> this country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days? Does 
> anyone have any stories about problems they've had? I read a story about 
> one woman who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because she hadn't been 
> for 15 months. Is going private the only way? Any thoughts please....
>
>

Hmm. Will you check back regularly for our replies? There's been a lot of 
talk of dentists around here - many opinions.

Personally, I'm very lucky. Shortly after we moved here, a new NHS dentist 
with an empty book arrived, and my partner and I both signed up with her. 
She's very good and we're happy with her, and feel very fortunate actually 
to have a dentist at all!

I know people who have moved down south but kept on their Cumbrian dentist, 
and travel back regularly for check-ups, as they were afraid of not finding 
a new one in their new area. Of course it may be they like having an excuse 
for 2 trips to beautiful Cumbria per annum!

My dad used to work for the Dental Estimates Board in Edinburgh when I was a 
kid. Things seem to have changed a lot since those days: I could tell you 
stories..... :-)

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Richard Johnson"  wrote in message
> news:dda2le$qtm$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry in
> > this country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days? Does
> > anyone have any stories about problems they've had? I read a story about
> > one woman who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because she hadn't been
> > for 15 months. Is going private the only way? Any thoughts please....
> >
> >
> Hmm. Will you check back regularly for our replies? There's been a lot of
> talk of dentists around here - many opinions.
>
> Personally, I'm very lucky. Shortly after we moved here, a new NHS dentist
> with an empty book arrived, and my partner and I both signed up with her.
> She's very good and we're happy with her, and feel very fortunate actually
> to have a dentist at all!
>
> I know people who have moved down south but kept on their Cumbrian
dentist,
> and travel back regularly for check-ups, as they were afraid of not
finding
> a new one in their new area. Of course it may be they like having an
excuse
> for 2 trips to beautiful Cumbria per annum!
>
> My dad used to work for the Dental Estimates Board in Edinburgh when I was
a
> kid. Things seem to have changed a lot since those days: I could tell you
> stories..... :-)
>
> ally
>

The best one is when they chain you to the chair.

Ed d d d uth

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:NO->>

> The best one is when they chain you to the chair.
>

I think that's what I need. I'm a dentalphobic. It's amazing I go at all.

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:NO->>
> > The best one is when they chain you to the chair.
> >
> I think that's what I need. I'm a dentalphobic. It's amazing I go at all.
>
> ally


I go, they don't do out and give me a bill for 108 and think I'll go back.
Huh!

Edith.

The Traveller wrote:

> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3ls57tF144ipuU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:NO->>
>>> The best one is when they chain you to the chair.
>>>
>> I think that's what I need. I'm a dentalphobic. It's amazing I go at
>> all.
>>
>> ally
>
> I go, they don't do out and give me a bill for 108 and think I'll go
> back. Huh!
>
> Edith.


Kai Hsia's dad was a dentist... :( Could never look you in the eye....

Notice it's more than 24 hours since he posted his question, but he hasn't 
come back yet to consider our replies.

Oh well, perhaps he's a really *busy* journalist. I'll give him another day.

ally

> Oh well, perhaps he's a really *busy* journalist. I'll give him another 
> day.
>
> ally
>

Sorry Ally. Just waiting in the hope that more people had something to 
contribute. I was interested to hear about your friends that commute to keep 
an NHS dentist. You say that things seem to have changed a lot since your 
father's day. What do you mean?

--

Richard

On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Johnson"
 wrote:


>Dear All,
>
>
>
>I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry in this 
>country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days? Does anyone 
>have any stories about problems they've had? I read a story about one woman 
>who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because she hadn't been for 15 
>months. Is going private the only way? Any thoughts please....
>
>
>
>Yours,


I am totally disgusted with the opposition parties for NOT having made a
big issue of the death of NHS dentists during the election: if ever there
was a subject to stick the boot in with, this was it.

We have been trying to get an NHS dentist for some time, NHS direct (based
somewhere near Bedford), suggested that there WAS one near us so they
didn't see what the problem was. I gave her our post code (near
cockermouth, and she proudly suggested I pop a long and register with Mr
~~~~~ in Barrow. When I explained that this was 1.5 hours drive away, she
said,"Well, what about Millom then?"

At that point I gave up......

J.

"Richard Johnson"  wrote in message
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> > Oh well, perhaps he's a really *busy* journalist. I'll give him another
> > day.
> >
> > ally
> >
> Sorry Ally. Just waiting in the hope that more people had something to
> contribute. I was interested to hear about your friends that commute to
keep
> an NHS dentist. You say that things seem to have changed a lot since your
> father's day. What do you mean?
>
> Richard


Hello richard. Are you married? Do you have your own teeth?

Eduith Gumsen

"JH"  wrote in message
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> On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Johnson"
>  wrote:
>
> >Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry in
this
> >country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days? Does anyone
> >have any stories about problems they've had? I read a story about one
woman
> >who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because she hadn't been for 15
> >months. Is going private the only way? Any thoughts please....
> >
> >
> >
> >Yours,
>
> I am totally disgusted with the opposition parties for NOT having made a
> big issue of the death of NHS dentists during the election: if ever there
> was a subject to stick the boot in with, this was it.
>
> We have been trying to get an NHS dentist for some time, NHS direct (based
> somewhere near Bedford), suggested that there WAS one near us so they
> didn't see what the problem was. I gave her our post code (near
> cockermouth, and she proudly suggested I pop a long and register with Mr
> ~~~~~ in Barrow. When I explained that this was 1.5 hours drive away, she
> said,"Well, what about Millom then?"
>
> At that point I gave up......
>
> J.


I have 3 dentists - private - and they all make a mess of the job. NHS.
Don't think they exst at all here.

Eduith

> We have been trying to get an NHS dentist for some time, NHS direct (based
> somewhere near Bedford), suggested that there WAS one near us so they
> didn't see what the problem was. I gave her our post code (near
> cockermouth, and she proudly suggested I pop a long and register with Mr
> ~~~~~ in Barrow. When I explained that this was 1.5 hours drive away, she
> said,"Well, what about Millom then?"
>
> At that point I gave up......
>
> J.


Whereabouts near Cockermouth, J? I'm getting together some statistics for 
the kinds of distances people are having to travel if they want to find an 
NHS dentist............

--

Richard

JH wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Johnson"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry in this 
>>country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days? Does anyone 
>>have any stories about problems they've had? I read a story about one woman 
>>who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because she hadn't been for 15 
>>months. Is going private the only way? Any thoughts please....
>>
>>
>>
>>Yours,
> 
> 
> I am totally disgusted with the opposition parties for NOT having made a
> big issue of the death of NHS dentists during the election: if ever there
> was a subject to stick the boot in with, this was it.
> 
> We have been trying to get an NHS dentist for some time, NHS direct (based
> somewhere near Bedford), suggested that there WAS one near us so they
> didn't see what the problem was. I gave her our post code (near
> cockermouth, and she proudly suggested I pop a long and register with Mr
> ~~~~~ in Barrow. When I explained that this was 1.5 hours drive away, she
> said,"Well, what about Millom then?"
> 
> At that point I gave up......
> 
> J.



Clearly she doesn't realise that there is a significant range of fells 
in between.

"Climb ev'ry mountain....till you find your dentist!"

Jp

"Richard Johnson"  wrote in message 
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>> Oh well, perhaps he's a really *busy* journalist. I'll give him another 
>> day.
>>
>> ally
>>
> Sorry Ally. Just waiting in the hope that more people had something to 
> contribute. I was interested to hear about your friends that commute to 
> keep an NHS dentist. You say that things seem to have changed a lot since 
> your father's day. What do you mean?
>

Well, for one thing there were plenty of dentists working for the NHS, and 
if you didn't like the one you were with it was quite straightforward to 
transfer to another, as there would be several to choose from wherever you 
lived.

In that way, things may have been better.

However... many of the dentists were old-fashioned, old school sadists. In 
those days they got paid a certain fee for each job they did: extractions 
commanded a much higher fee than fillings, so they were inclined to pull out 
perfectly healthy teeth in order to make a quick buck. My dental phobia 
started at about age 6 when one of these old guys decided to yank out a 
couple of my milk teeth, quite unnecessarily. It hurt: I was terrified: I 
never wanted to see the inside of a dental surgery again.

Some dentists somehow managed to get rather rich on the old system. I'm not 
sure how they did it - I was too young to understand all the dental politics 
my dad used to bring home from the office - but there were one or two who 
had several big flashy surgeries with many other dentists working under 
them, and whose payments seemed enormous in comparison to other, run-of-the 
mill practitioners.

There were hardly any women in the profession back then: now, I think, there 
are more women than men. I can still remember the first time I entered a 
dental surgery where a radio was playing gently in the background: Radio 1, 
I think. The 3 young male dentists were part of the quiet revolution that 
was hitting the industry. Recently out of dental college they'd decided to 
try to make their surgery a more friendly, relaxed environment, with music, 
pictures on the wall and, if you requested it, hypnosis rather than 
novacaine as pain relief.

Things should be better now: dentisty itself has moved on at great speed. 
It's such a shame there aren't enough graduates from dental college wanting 
to work in the NHS. I guess it's all down to money again....

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>
> Clearly she doesn't realise that there is a significant range of fells in 
> between.
>

Yes. If she lives in a city, she'll know that it can take an hour and a half 
sometimes to get from one side of town to the other. This is *not* the same 
as having to drive the length of Cumbria, even if it does take about the 
same time.

ally

JH wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Johnson"
>  wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry
>> in this country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days?
>> Does anyone have any stories about problems they've had? I read a
>> story about one woman who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because
>> she hadn't been for 15 months. Is going private the only way? Any
>> thoughts please....
>>
>>
>>
>> Yours,
>
> I am totally disgusted with the opposition parties for NOT having
> made a big issue of the death of NHS dentists during the election: if
> ever there was a subject to stick the boot in with, this was it.


so who's has been killing off the dentists then?

Al




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"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> JH wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Johnson"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Dear All,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry in
this
> >>country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days? Does anyone
> >>have any stories about problems they've had? I read a story about one
woman
> >>who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because she hadn't been for 15
> >>months. Is going private the only way? Any thoughts please....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Yours,
> >
> >
> > I am totally disgusted with the opposition parties for NOT having made a
> > big issue of the death of NHS dentists during the election: if ever
there
> > was a subject to stick the boot in with, this was it.
> >
> > We have been trying to get an NHS dentist for some time, NHS direct
(based
> > somewhere near Bedford), suggested that there WAS one near us so they
> > didn't see what the problem was. I gave her our post code (near
> > cockermouth, and she proudly suggested I pop a long and register with Mr
> > ~~~~~ in Barrow. When I explained that this was 1.5 hours drive away,
she
> > said,"Well, what about Millom then?"
> >
> > At that point I gave up......
> >
> > J.
>
>
> Clearly she doesn't realise that there is a significant range of fells
> in between.
>
> "Climb ev'ry mountain....till you find your dentist!"
>
> Jp


Or try the string/door/knob method - or even - instead - polish up yer
vera..........HJEEEEEEEEEEEELP

Edith with pliers.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:oktKe.2589$Gx1.922@fe11.lga...
> >
> > Clearly she doesn't realise that there is a significant range of fells
in
> > between.
> >
> Yes. If she lives in a city, she'll know that it can take an hour and a
half
> sometimes to get from one side of town to the other. This is *not* the
same
> as having to drive the length of Cumbria, even if it does take about the
> same time.
>
> ally


Huh! We used 4 hours from Keswick to South Cumbria. Orly says I'm getting
better at reading maps.

Edith

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
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> JH wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Johnson"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry
> >> in this country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days?
> >> Does anyone have any stories about problems they've had? I read a
> >> story about one woman who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because
> >> she hadn't been for 15 months. Is going private the only way? Any
> >> thoughts please....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yours,
> >
> > I am totally disgusted with the opposition parties for NOT having
> > made a big issue of the death of NHS dentists during the election: if
> > ever there was a subject to stick the boot in with, this was it.
>
> so who's has been killing off the dentists then?
>
> Al


The NHS?

Edith.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:35:48 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Johnson"
 wrote:


>> We have been trying to get an NHS dentist for some time, NHS direct (based
>> somewhere near Bedford), suggested that there WAS one near us so they
>> didn't see what the problem was. I gave her our post code (near
>> cockermouth, and she proudly suggested I pop a long and register with Mr
>> ~~~~~ in Barrow. When I explained that this was 1.5 hours drive away, she
>> said,"Well, what about Millom then?"
>>
>> At that point I gave up......
>>
>> J.
>
>Whereabouts near Cockermouth, J? I'm getting together some statistics for 
>the kinds of distances people are having to travel if they want to find an 
>NHS dentist............



Within 7 miles, and we go to one in Keswick.

(You won't get details on newsgroups.)

J.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:25:44 +0200, "The Traveller" 
wrote:


>
>"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
>news:1123719613_305@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>> JH wrote:
>> > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Johnson"
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry
>> >> in this country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days?
>> >> Does anyone have any stories about problems they've had? I read a
>> >> story about one woman who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because
>> >> she hadn't been for 15 months. Is going private the only way? Any
>> >> thoughts please....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yours,
>> >
>> > I am totally disgusted with the opposition parties for NOT having
>> > made a big issue of the death of NHS dentists during the election: if
>> > ever there was a subject to stick the boot in with, this was it.
>>
>> so who's has been killing off the dentists then?
>>
>> Al
>
>The NHS?
>
>Edith.
>


The government, by not paying them enough. The resulting dentist's cartel
has won, (with the connivance of the government who would be happy to see
everyone going private and thus drop the expense, whilst still procaiming
themselves to be "Labour").

Interesting that perinatal deaths and illness have gone up since labour
came to power.

Well done 

J.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:18:22 +0200, "The Traveller" 
wrote:


>
>"a l l y"  wrote in message
>news:3lv7qgF14irhqU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
>> news:oktKe.2589$Gx1.922@fe11.lga...
>> >
>> > Clearly she doesn't realise that there is a significant range of fells
>in
>> > between.
>> >
>> Yes. If she lives in a city, she'll know that it can take an hour and a
>half
>> sometimes to get from one side of town to the other. This is *not* the
>same
>> as having to drive the length of Cumbria, even if it does take about the
>> same time.
>>
>> ally
>
>Huh! We used 4 hours from Keswick to South Cumbria. Orly says I'm getting
>better at reading maps.
>
>Edith
>


Still, you traded in the mule for a van.....

(Doesn't help if you can't read maps anyway, you just get lost quicker and
further away).

J.

JH wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:25:44 +0200, "The Traveller" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
>>news:1123719613_305@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>>
>>>JH wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Johnson"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a journalist working on a story about the state of NHS dentistry
>>>>>in this country. Is it impossible to find an NHS dentist these days?
>>>>>Does anyone have any stories about problems they've had? I read a
>>>>>story about one woman who was turfed out of her NHS dentists because
>>>>>she hadn't been for 15 months. Is going private the only way? Any
>>>>>thoughts please....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yours,
>>>>
>>>>I am totally disgusted with the opposition parties for NOT having
>>>>made a big issue of the death of NHS dentists during the election: if
>>>>ever there was a subject to stick the boot in with, this was it.
>>>
>>>so who's has been killing off the dentists then?
>>>
>>>Al
>>
>>The NHS?
>>
>>Edith.
>>
> 
> 
> The government, by not paying them enough. The resulting dentist's cartel
> has won, (with the connivance of the government who would be happy to see
> everyone going private and thus drop the expense, whilst still procaiming
> themselves to be "Labour").
> 
> Interesting that perinatal deaths and illness have gone up since labour
> came to power.
> 
> Well done 
> 
> J.


Have they really? Infant and maternal mortality are one of the measures 
of civilisation and progress.

I was told that I was extremely lucky to find an NHS dentist in London 
and then Aberdeen when I returned to the UK from the Netherlands in 1992.

My pet hate was the way New Labour embraced Thatcher's idea that higher 
education was a luxury.

Jp

"JH"  wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:18:22 +0200, "The Traveller" 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"a l l y"  wrote in message
> >news:3lv7qgF14irhqU1@individual.net...
> >>
> >> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> >> news:oktKe.2589$Gx1.922@fe11.lga...
> >> >
> >> > Clearly she doesn't realise that there is a significant range of
fells
> >in
> >> > between.
> >> >
> >> Yes. If she lives in a city, she'll know that it can take an hour and a
> >half
> >> sometimes to get from one side of town to the other. This is *not* the
> >same
> >> as having to drive the length of Cumbria, even if it does take about
the
> >> same time.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> >Huh! We used 4 hours from Keswick to South Cumbria. Orly says I'm getting
> >better at reading maps.
> >
> >Edith
> >
>
> Still, you traded in the mule for a van.....
>
> (Doesn't help if you can't read maps anyway, you just get lost quicker and
> further away).
>
> J.

The van's on it's last leg too, J. We had it in for a minor reperasjon and
the fella repaired it to bits.
I love getting lost. You see things you'd never believe. There wuz this yan
teim..... to be continued.

Edith

The Traveller wrote:


> 
> Or try the string/door/knob method - or even - instead - polish up yer
> vera..........HJEEEEEEEEEEEELP
> 
> Edith with pliers.
> 


Nah, my dentist is OK about when you pay him, just so long as he gets 
the lion's share from the insurance company. I prefer to have something 
left to chew with. I don't think I could afford tooth implants and I'm 
sure that dentures don't come cheap either.

I've had a root canal plus crown a year ago, another crown and surgical 
removal of a broken root 6 months ago. It's cost me about a thousand 
dollars, on top of what the insurance paid out.

Jp (in New York with MetLife Dental.)

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> >
> > Or try the string/door/knob method - or even - instead - polish up yer
> > vera..........HJEEEEEEEEEEEELP
> >
> > Edith with pliers.
> >
>
> Nah, my dentist is OK about when you pay him, just so long as he gets
> the lion's share from the insurance company. I prefer to have something
> left to chew with. I don't think I could afford tooth implants and I'm
> sure that dentures don't come cheap either.
>
> I've had a root canal plus crown a year ago, another crown and surgical
> removal of a broken root 6 months ago. It's cost me about a thousand
> dollars, on top of what the insurance paid out.
>
> Jp (in New York with MetLife Dental.)


I need a broken root removed too and who do you think broke it. Dentists are
like car mechanics. They repair things to bits then get double up for more
repairs. I hate musicians, dentists, car mechanics, veranda reps men and
gammel ost. t
There must be more.....thinking...yes, now I know. I don't want to be here.

Edith Confused.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >

> Huh! We used 4 hours from Keswick to South Cumbria. Orly says I'm getting
> better at reading maps.
>

I can get to Kendal in an hour and a half, and I know the way and don't get 
lost. It'd take a lot longer than that to get to the *deep* south.

ally-in-the-shallow-north

"The Traveller"  wrote in message


> I love getting lost. You see things you'd never believe.


I used to try to get lost deliberately, for exactly that reason.

Mind you, having spent a lot of time taking the micky from you and Orly for 
getting lost, I have been known to do it myself, though only when I've got 
nobody with me to read the map. It's hard to drive with a map propped up on 
the steering wheel. Coming back here from Yorkshire a couple of years ago, I 
got as far as Skipton successfully, but somehow ended up going North East 
instead of North West and by the time I realised I was on the wrong road I 
was nearly on the east coast. Instead of getting home about 9pm, it was more 
like 1am by the time I struggled back.

Moral of the story: take a map-reader when you're on strange roads!

ally

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:01:06 -0400, Jpinny  wrote:


>JH wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:25:44 +0200, "The Traveller" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
>>>news:1123719613_305@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>>>
>>>>JH wrote:
>>>>
>> 
>> The government, by not paying them enough. The resulting dentist's cartel
>> has won, (with the connivance of the government who would be happy to see
>> everyone going private and thus drop the expense, whilst still procaiming
>> themselves to be "Labour").
>> 
>> Interesting that perinatal deaths and illness have gone up since labour
>> came to power.
>> 
>> Well done 
>> 
>> J.
>
>Have they really? Infant and maternal mortality are one of the measures 
>of civilisation and progress.
>
>I was told that I was extremely lucky to find an NHS dentist in London 
>and then Aberdeen when I returned to the UK from the Netherlands in 1992.
>
>My pet hate was the way New Labour embraced Thatcher's idea that higher 
>education was a luxury.
>
>Jp


I agree, I nearly crashed the car when I heard the announcement about
tuition fees. I realised I'd just "lost" 10 - 12 thousand pounds in the
last few minutes.

I was also pissed off, because I reckoned "New Labour" was a smokescreen
for a bunch of Thatcher's children.

"Third Way", my a***.

J.

JH wrote:


> 
> 
> I agree, I nearly crashed the car when I heard the announcement about
> tuition fees. I realised I'd just "lost" 10 - 12 thousand pounds in the
> last few minutes.
> 
> I was also pissed off, because I reckoned "New Labour" was a smokescreen
> for a bunch of Thatcher's children.
> 
> "Third Way", my a***.
> 
> J.


They cannot call themselves socialists if  they continue the drift 
toward regarding health and education as commodities in a completely 
free market.

Living in the Land of the Included in the Price and the home of the 
Insured, I have become used to the twice annual gurgling sounds as my 
money is drained out of my bank account as each semester's university 
bill has come in.

I have also got used to being asked "What insurance do you have?" before 
"What problem do you have?" when I call the doctor's office, and also, 
to the claims department's routine attempt to get out of paying for my 
kid's sports injuries; I suspect in  the hope that we will litigate 
against some other kid or soccer league.

Jp

"a l l y"  wrote in message
news:3m1c35F14qo8mU1@individual.net...

>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
>
> > I love getting lost. You see things you'd never believe.
>
> I used to try to get lost deliberately, for exactly that reason.
>
> Mind you, having spent a lot of time taking the micky from you and Orly
for
> getting lost, I have been known to do it myself, though only when I've got
> nobody with me to read the map. It's hard to drive with a map propped up
on
> the steering wheel. Coming back here from Yorkshire a couple of years ago,
I
> got as far as Skipton successfully, but somehow ended up going North East
> instead of North West and by the time I realised I was on the wrong road I
> was nearly on the east coast. Instead of getting home about 9pm, it was
more
> like 1am by the time I struggled back.
>
> Moral of the story: take a map-reader when you're on strange roads!
>
> ally


Did yuh see the sign, "Edinburgh Castle.?" Did yuh? Did yuh? hahahaaa.

Edith. (Andy called me Edith so i've decided to be called Edith. pst! Coss
Andy said so.)

"JH"  wrote in message
news:6ivmf15k8bmd2bq5k6vphf8lpe3ban5aqh@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:01:06 -0400, Jpinny  wrote:
>
> >JH wrote:
> >> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:25:44 +0200, "The Traveller" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
> >>>news:1123719613_305@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >>>
> >>>>JH wrote:
> >>>>
> >>
> >> The government, by not paying them enough. The resulting dentist's
cartel
> >> has won, (with the connivance of the government who would be happy to
see
> >> everyone going private and thus drop the expense, whilst still
procaiming
> >> themselves to be "Labour").
> >>
> >> Interesting that perinatal deaths and illness have gone up since labour
> >> came to power.
> >>
> >> Well done
> >>
> >> J.
> >
> >Have they really? Infant and maternal mortality are one of the measures
> >of civilisation and progress.
> >
> >I was told that I was extremely lucky to find an NHS dentist in London
> >and then Aberdeen when I returned to the UK from the Netherlands in 1992.
> >
> >My pet hate was the way New Labour embraced Thatcher's idea that higher
> >education was a luxury.
> >
> >Jp
>
> I agree, I nearly crashed the car when I heard the announcement about
> tuition fees. I realised I'd just "lost" 10 - 12 thousand pounds in the
> last few minutes.
>
> I was also pissed off, because I reckoned "New Labour" was a smokescreen
> for a bunch of Thatcher's children.
>
> "Third Way", my a***.
>
> J.


My view on the subject is Britain is going Norwegian.

Edith

"The Traveller"  wrote in message >

> Did yuh see the sign, "Edinburgh Castle.?" Did yuh? Did yuh? hahahaaa.
>

No, but I think I may have been approaching Newcastle. Which isn't quite 
Cumbria.

ally-knows-where-she-is-now