If you can't find any in nearby skips ;)
Buy them for 5 here:

http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?lang=&product_id=3262

postage is 6.99 for 2

So 16.99, or 8.50 each delivered

--
Mike

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:48:10 GMT, "Mike Redrobe" 
wrote:


>If you can't find any in nearby skips ;)
>Buy them for 5 here:
>
>http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?lang=&product_id=3262
>
>postage is 6.99 for 2
>
>So 16.99, or 8.50 each delivered

Aria Technology are wanting 17.00 for a 17in plus around a tenner
delivery and only a 7 day warranty

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> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:48:10 GMT, "Mike Redrobe" 
> wrote:
>
>>If you can't find any in nearby skips ;)
>>Buy them for 5 here:
>>
>>http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?lang=&product_id=3262
>>
>>postage is 6.99 for 2
>>
>>So 16.99, or 8.50 each delivered
> Aria Technology are wanting 17.00 for a 17in plus around a tenner
> delivery and only a 7 day warranty


I'm amazed they don't want to charge for a "CRT CHECK" !  They charge you to 
make sure the flat panels are not rejects that ave dead pixels.  Imagine 
buying a car only to be told, "oh you will have to pay us extra to make sure 
it works and is free from defects".
First shops tried it on with extened warranties, now charges to check they 
have non-defective stock.
Everything else from ARIA is great, but I refuse to pay extra to have a 
product checked as it should be sold working and free from defects (which 
dead pixels are) under the sales of goods act.

"Mike Redrobe"  wrote in message 
news:eyPJe.84950$G8.41959@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> If you can't find any in nearby skips ;)
> Buy them for 5 here:
>
> http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?lang=&product_id=3262
>
> postage is 6.99 for 2
>
> So 16.99, or 8.50 each delivered
>
> --
> Mike
>

You didn't make it clear you were talking about second hand stuff, you can 
get that on auction sites.  as for CRT monitors, yes, a lot of people still 
use them as TFT's are nowhere near as good yet for graphics applications.
When you can show me a TFT that is as good as a CRT I will buy one, but 
refuse to pay overinflated prices for inferior monitors with slow refresh 
rates and poor contrast.
TFT is great for word processing, but not for serious graphics use.

BT28 wrote:

>  wrote in message
> news:cojff1tf64he2vs3dcq6menlandunhdk95@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:48:10 GMT, "Mike Redrobe" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you can't find any in nearby skips ;)
>>> Buy them for 5 here:
>>>
>>> http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?lang=&product_id=3262
>>>
>>> postage is 6.99 for 2
>>>
>>> So 16.99, or 8.50 each delivered
>> Aria Technology are wanting 17.00 for a 17in plus around a tenner
>> delivery and only a 7 day warranty
>
> I'm amazed they don't want to charge for a "CRT CHECK" !  They charge
> you to make sure the flat panels are not rejects that ave dead
> pixels.  Imagine buying a car only to be told, "oh you will have to
> pay us extra to make sure it works and is free from defects".
> First shops tried it on with extened warranties, now charges to check
> they have non-defective stock.
> Everything else from ARIA is great, but I refuse to pay extra to have
> a product checked as it should be sold working and free from defects
> (which dead pixels are) under the sales of goods act.


if you knew what you were talking about I might take you seriously
but as you don't I won't. personally, a few quid is a small price to pay
to ensure that the display you are buying is  ISO 13406-2 compliant.

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:50:25 GMT, "BT28"  wrote:

>I'm amazed they don't want to charge for a "CRT CHECK" !  They charge you to 
>make sure the flat panels are not rejects that ave dead pixels.

The set standard says that a certain number of dead pixels are
acceptable the check that Aria are charging for is to make sure there
are none at all in the monitor your are buying see

http://www.scan.co.uk/iso.asp

and read right to the bottom of the page .

>Everything else from ARIA is great, but I refuse to pay extra to have a 
>product checked as it should be sold working and free from defects (which 
>dead pixels are) under the sales of goods act.


Read the page at the link I have provided especially the last dozen or
so lines .
I was over at Aria twice last week and I am not all that impressed
with them sooner have Scan computers anytime Scan are much easier to
return faulty goods to providing you can go personally I would not buy
anything mail order from them read to many bad reports.
I am only a 15 minute drive from Scan and a 45 minute drive from Aria
but Aria are open on a Sunday and Scan aren't that was why I finished
up at Aria in the first place .

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:59:43 GMT, "news"  wrote:



>if you knew what you were talking about I might take you seriously
>but as you don't I won't. personally, a few quid is a small price to pay
>to ensure that the display you are buying is  ISO 13406-2 compliant.

Wish I had read this before telling him this just now .

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:53:00 GMT, "BT28"  wrote:



>You didn't make it clear you were talking about second hand stuff, you can 
>get that on auction sites.  as for CRT monitors, yes, a lot of people still 
>use them as TFT's are nowhere near as good yet for graphics applications.

I have two TFT's and wouldn't go back to a CRT for no amount of money
I have a 17 and 19in Iyama certs sat doing nothing in the other room
big ugly monstrosities that they are .

> >You didn't make it clear you were talking about second hand stuff, you can 
> >get that on auction sites.  as for CRT monitors, yes, a lot of people still 
> >use them as TFT's are nowhere near as good yet for graphics applications> I have two TFT's and wouldn't go back to a CRT for no amount of money


His point stands - the colour reproduction on a TFT is almost useless 
when you want to do high-end graphics work.

Try getting a spider* to detect the colour temps on a TFT ready to 
import to photoshop - then go and buy the CRT you really need to ensure 
correct colour reproduction.

* little bit of hardware, costs about £300 - you attach it to your 
screen temporarily while it detects the precise colour rendition of the 
monitor, then produces info photoshop can use to match what you see on 
the screen to what you get from a printer.

On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 01:23:24 +0100, Colin Wilson 
wrote:



>* little bit of hardware, costs about 300 - you attach it to your 
>screen temporarily while it detects the precise colour rendition of the 
>monitor, then produces info photoshop can use to match what you see on 
>the screen to what you get from a printer.

I am not bothered about Photoshop and I certainly have no intention of
spending 300  to prove the points you have raised here,  the quality
of the graphics I get on the TFT I have in front of me now is just has
good if not better than any CRT monitor I have ever owned.
And I have NO intention of cluttering my desk up ever again with a
bulky heavy monstrosity of a CRT monitor which compared with a TFT
looks like something that has come out of the ark .
One has got to move over to modern hardware and CRT's where around
even before the Internet became fashionable in the UK just has with
processors and operating systems. Last week I invested in a 3800 64
Bit AMD processor and also a legal oem copy of the Microsoft 64 bit
windows XP and like with TFT's and CRT's I will never go back to a 32
bit processor or the XP 32 bit professional  .

BT28 wrote:

>  wrote in message 
> news:cojff1tf64he2vs3dcq6menlandunhdk95@4ax.com...
> 
>>On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:48:10 GMT, "Mike Redrobe" 
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If you can't find any in nearby skips ;)
>>>Buy them for 5 here:
>>>
>>>http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?lang=&product_id=3262
>>>
>>>postage is 6.99 for 2
>>>
>>>So 16.99, or 8.50 each delivered
>>
>>Aria Technology are wanting 17.00 for a 17in plus around a tenner
>>delivery and only a 7 day warranty
> 
> 
> I'm amazed they don't want to charge for a "CRT CHECK" !  They charge you to 
> make sure the flat panels are not rejects that ave dead pixels.  Imagine 
> buying a car only to be told, "oh you will have to pay us extra to make sure 
> it works and is free from defects".
> First shops tried it on with extened warranties, now charges to check they 
> have non-defective stock.
> Everything else from ARIA is great, but I refuse to pay extra to have a 
> product checked as it should be sold working and free from defects (which 
> dead pixels are) under the sales of goods act.
> 
> 

Personally if I found it to be defective when I got it and I hadn't paid 
for the defect test I'd box it all back up, throw it down the stairs a 
few times until it didn't work, then send it back saying it didn't work 
until they finally sent me one without any dead pixels.

"BT28"  wrote in message 
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> Imagine buying a car only to be told, "oh you will have to pay us extra to 
> make sure it works and is free from defects".


You do pay extra.
Its the delivery and PDI check.
It adds to the price to make the on the road price.

Colin Wilson wrote:

>>> You didn't make it clear you were talking about second hand stuff,
>>> you can get that on auction sites.  as for CRT monitors, yes, a lot
>>> of people still use them as TFT's are nowhere near as good yet for
>>> graphics applications.
>> I have two TFT's and wouldn't go back to a CRT for no amount of money
>
> His point stands - the colour reproduction on a TFT is almost useless
> when you want to do high-end graphics work.
>


true.

"news"  wrote in message
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> Colin Wilson wrote:
> >>> You didn't make it clear you were talking about second hand stuff,
> >>> you can get that on auction sites.  as for CRT monitors, yes, a lot
> >>> of people still use them as TFT's are nowhere near as good yet for
> >>> graphics applications.
> >> I have two TFT's and wouldn't go back to a CRT for no amount of money
> >
> > His point stands - the colour reproduction on a TFT is almost useless
> > when you want to do high-end graphics work.
> >
>
> true.
>

It's the viewing angle of TFT's I don't like - any I've seen look crap if
you don't sit directly in front of it.
Besides that, I use LCD shutter glasses so give me a big flat-screen CRT
anyday! It's ironic that just as graphics cards actually become powerfull
enough, at last, to create good stereo 3D images, people shift over to TFT
panels so cannot use the glasses...
Graham

In article <BsQJe.3981$jq6.2680@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
BT28  wrote:

>Everything else from ARIA is great, but I refuse to pay extra to have a 
>product checked as it should be sold working and free from defects (which 
>dead pixels are) under the sales of goods act.


Except that a certain number of dead pixels is considered defect free,
has an ISO standard for what is considered acceptable and is generally
made obvious before purchase what that limit might be.

Having said that, most TFT monitors nowadays are pretty good, and if you
do have one with defective pixels and you bought via a web shop or over
the phone, you are entitled to return it under the distance selling act
with as simple a reason as having changed your mind. If you're buying
from a shop, you can always request to see the monitor in action before
you buy.

Beleive it or not, it's possible to get dead pixels on a CRT. My monitor
at work, has this problem in two places, where obviously some dust has
managed to find its way into the wire mesh in front of the phosphor.
First time I've ever seen it, but now I know it happens!

Oh, and back on the subject, when I bought my projector, I paid extra
for a zero-dead pixel check, where they claimed to fire it up for 3
hours to ensure that there were no dead pixels on delivery, although
they wouldn't promise that dead pixels wouldn't occur later, although
apparently this is less likely anyway. However, despite them alledgedly
checking it, it was shipped by courier directly from Sanyo's warehouse
according to the labels (i.e. Sanyo's and my address on the same label!)
But then, the projector was absolutely fine, and still is five months
later. Had a couple of panic attacks that have turned out to be flies
resting on my screen or the mouse pointer though... ;)

Ralf.

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Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 01:23:24 퍝, Colin Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>
> >* little bit of hardware, costs about £300 - you attach it to your
> >screen temporarily while it detects the precise colour rendition of the
> >monitor, then produces info photoshop can use to match what you see on
> >the screen to what you get from a printer.
> I am not bothered about Photoshop and I certainly have no intention of
> spending 300  to prove the points you have raised here,  the quality
> of the graphics I get on the TFT I have in front of me now is just has
> good if not better than any CRT monitor I have ever owned.
> And I have NO intention of cluttering my desk up ever again with a
> bulky heavy monstrosity of a CRT monitor which compared with a TFT
> looks like something that has come out of the ark .
> One has got to move over to modern hardware and CRT's where around
> even before the Internet became fashionable in the UK just has with
> processors and operating systems. Last week I invested in a 3800 64
> Bit AMD processor and also a legal oem copy of the Microsoft 64 bit
> windows XP and like with TFT's and CRT's I will never go back to a 32
> bit processor or the XP 32 bit professional  .


bully for you!
now you`ve got your bragging off your chest perhaps you`d like to
explain why those purchases are better for you (other than they look
nice - what a way to evaluate technology!).
At least BT28 explained how he arrived at his use of a crt based on how
it performed with graphical applications, not how it looked!
-B.

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 00:13:00 +0100, Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:


>On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:53:00 GMT, "BT28"  wrote:
>
>
>>You didn't make it clear you were talking about second hand stuff, you can 
>>get that on auction sites.  as for CRT monitors, yes, a lot of people still 
>>use them as TFT's are nowhere near as good yet for graphics applications.
>I have two TFT's and wouldn't go back to a CRT for no amount of money
>I have a 17 and 19in Iyama certs sat doing nothing in the other room
>big ugly monstrosities that they are .
>
>

You ought to stick them on www.freecycle.org or
www.computersforcharity.org.uk.  Someone will come and take the
buggers off your hands and save you a trip to the dump.  I'm still
annoyed at myself for taking two CRT monitors down to the local tip
rather than looking harder for takers.

Don't bother with charity shops though - none of my local ones will
accept anything with a three pin plug these days. 

nl

"Colin Wilson"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.1d6207d7ea2ca41c98b2e2@news.individual.net...

> >You didn't make it clear you were talking about second hand stuff, you 
> >can
> >get that on auction sites.  as for CRT monitors, yes, a lot of people 
> >still
> >use them as TFT's are nowhere near as good yet for graphics applications.
> I have two TFT's and wouldn't go back to a CRT for no amount of money


His point stands - the colour reproduction on a TFT is almost useless
when you want to do high-end graphics work.

Try getting a spider* to detect the colour temps on a TFT ready to
import to photoshop - then go and buy the CRT you really need to ensure
correct colour reproduction.

not tried a graphics professional TFT yet then?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=919

if you can afford it that is?

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:28:15 +0100, "Robin" <me@nowhere> wrote:



>His point stands - the colour reproduction on a TFT is almost useless
>when you want to do high-end graphics work.

And just why would the ordinary punter want to do high end graphics
work its equal to saying that someone like myself who only does around
30 miles a week should go out and buy a Rolls Royce .
I had read all the nonsense about TFT's and admit I was a little
doubtful when I bought my first and looked a quite a few before
buying.
 Now I wouldn't go back to a CRT at any price .

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> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:28:15 +0100, "Robin" <me@nowhere> wrote:
>
>
>>His point stands - the colour reproduction on a TFT is almost useless
>>when you want to do high-end graphics work.
> And just why would the ordinary punter want to do high end graphics
> work its equal to saying that someone like myself who only does around
> 30 miles a week should go out and buy a Rolls Royce .


No it's not.  Many people use Photoshop or similar and need the flexibility 
a CRT offers that a TFT can't.


> I had read all the nonsense about TFT's and admit I was a little
> doubtful when I bought my first and looked a quite a few before
> buying.


My main bugbear with TFT's is that I work at a variety of resolutions. 
Unless you're running at a TFT's native resolution, it's next to useless for 
any graphics work, and hardly stunning when it comes to games.


> Now I wouldn't go back to a CRT at any price .


I'm glad you feel that way, and that TFT's offer what you need.  However, 
TFT's still can't compare to the flexibility of a CRT.  I'd love to have a 
TFT to save space on my desk, but until they mature properly I wouldn't 
consider one.

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"Robin" <me@nowhere> wrote in message 
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>
>
> not tried a graphics professional TFT yet then?
>
> http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=919
>
> if you can afford it that is?
>


Aha, another S-IPS screen... I have a HP L2335 with the same S-IPS 
technology and its supposed to be as good as you can get in TFT colour 
reproduction- I have no complaints with mine.

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