Could anyone possibly direct me to a website or info that lists the
numeric route codes for services across the South-East.

Many thanks.

Baz L wrote:

> Could anyone possibly direct me to a website or info that lists the
> numeric route codes for services across the South-East.


http://www.rodge.force9.co.uk/faq/headcodes.html

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Baz L wrote:

> Could anyone possibly direct me to a website or info that lists the
> numeric route codes for services across the South-East.


Why aren't headcodes used on more lines?
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Michael Hoffman

Richard J. wrote:

> Baz L wrote:
> > Could anyone possibly direct me to a website or info that lists the
> > numeric route codes for services across the South-East.
>
> http://www.rodge.force9.co.uk/faq/headcodes.html
>
> --
> Richard J.
> (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)



This is very useful, thanks.  Or at least, it would be if only the
operators would use them (and switch the displays on).  Every cue can
be useful to somebody using the railway network.  For example, very
recently, use of codes would have helped me know whether a train
pulling in was the one that a relative was travelling on with heavy
luggage.  The destination does not help when you are meeting the train
and they all go on to the same place.

A couple of queries though.  Codes beginning zero are not the same as
single digits, as pointed out, but for some reason leading zeros are
used wrongly on Electrostars.  Not worth going to the bother of using
codes and then using the wrong one, but I don't think the display
forces a zero to fill the space.

The other thing is about splitting and joining.  I thought that the
code for the combined train was the code for the least delayed portion,
ie the front portion when splitting and the rear portion when joining?

National Rail Timetable shows some. All SR route codes were at one time
shown but looks as if only South Eastern ones appear in the book.

Thames Trains out of Paddington also use to be shown.


Michael

crewewwtw wrote:

> National Rail Timetable shows some. All SR route codes were at one time
> shown but looks as if only South Eastern ones appear in the book.
>
> Thames Trains out of Paddington also use to be shown.
>
>
> Michael


Whilst on the subject of codes, could anybody point me in the right
direction as to where I can get TOPS codes from apart from current
working timetables please.

Many thanks

Michael

"Baz L"  wrote in message
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> Could anyone possibly direct me to a website or info that lists the
> numeric route codes for services across the South-East.
>
> Many thanks.
>


This provides what you're looking for;

 http://londonse.topcities.com/Headcodes/Headcodes.htm

Russell Wykes,
West Yorkshire

National Rail Timetable shows some. All SR route codes were at one time
shown but looks as if only South Eastern ones appear in the book.

Thames Trains out of Paddington also use to be shown.


Michael

Michael Hoffman wrote:


> Why aren't headcodes used on more lines?


There isn't the same confusing plethora of possible routes and
destinations.

Outside the ex-SR, trains are less frequent - so there will be more
time for station staff to announce them and for passengers to work out
what train is approaching - and other than at major stations such as
Leeds or New Street, there will be only a handful of different
options.

Whereas at stations like East Croydon, Gatwick Airport, Clapham
Junction and Woking, there will be a huge variety of different
destinations, routes and stopping patterns - but because they have
relatively few platforms (CJ excepted), each platform is much busier,
so it is more important that passengers can work out quickly what the
train is when it arrives.

ie., A train at Leeds is shown as "Skipton" on the front of the train.
All trains to Skipton are all stations via the one and only route.

A train at Portsmouth is shown as "London Waterloo" - is it 81
(semi-fast via Guildford), 82 (semi-slow via Guildford) or 84 (all
stations via Basingstoke)? If you miss the "Waterloo" bit, it could
equally be 8 (fast Victoria via Horsham), 18 (Victoria via Horsham) or
38 (Victoria via Worthing).

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"MIG"  wrote

> >
> > http://www.rodge.force9.co.uk/faq/headcodes.html
> >
> The other thing is about splitting and joining.  I thought that the
> code for the combined train was the code for the least delayed portion,
> ie the front portion when splitting and the rear portion when joining?
>

AIUI the site is correct on this. For example, Victoria - Ramsgate (front)
and Dover (rear) shows 50  Victoria - Ramsgate throughout, and 30 on the
rear portion from Faversham to Dover. In the up direction the Dover -
Victoria front portion shows 30 throughout, and the Ramsgate rear portion
shows 50 until it is attached to the front Dover portion at Faversham.

Peter

Thanks very much for all your help, really useful sites listed here :-)

Baz.

On 7 Aug 2005 01:49:28 -0700, MIG wrote in
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uk.railway:


> A couple of queries though.  Codes beginning zero are not the same as
> single digits, as pointed out, but for some reason leading zeros are
> used wrongly on Electrostars.  Not worth going to the bother of using
> codes and then using the wrong one, but I don't think the display
> forces a zero to fill the space.


If they're anything like the 323s were when I worked them, the
displays will force a zero; they can't cope with a blank field
(although on 323s '00' shows as a blank).

So, to get " 5", the operator would have to enter "05" and it would
display as "05".

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>AIUI the site is correct on this. For example, Victoria - Ramsgate (front)
>and Dover (rear) shows 50  Victoria - Ramsgate throughout, and 30 on the
>rear portion from Faversham to Dover. In the up direction the Dover -
>Victoria front portion shows 30 throughout, and the Ramsgate rear portion
>shows 50 until it is attached to the front Dover portion at Faversham.



Yes, since then I had a chance to spot a combined train arrive in
London with 30, even though the 50 portion was least delayed (ie the
back on joining).

Maybe it was past timetables that have fooled me.

>If they're anything like the 323s were when I worked them, the
>displays will force a zero; they can't cope with a blank field
>(although on 323s '00' shows as a blank).
>
>So, to get " 5", the operator would have to enter "05" and it would
>display as "05".



That would certainly explain all the "00" on Southern, although it is
evidently possible to leave out the code field altogether.  I wonder if
digits are allowed in the destination field as a way round this?

In article <dd4hid$okt$1@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Michael Hoffman
<cam.ac.uk@mh391.invalid> writes

>Baz L wrote:
>> Could anyone possibly direct me to a website or info that lists the
>> numeric route codes for services across the South-East.
>
>Why aren't headcodes used on more lines?

Good question, presumably the complexity and permutations of different
routes.


On the Central division  London-bound services.  Even numbers meant
Victoria and odd numbers for London Bridge.

-- 
Alan Osborn

On 7 Aug 2005 13:35:42 -0700, MIG wrote in
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uk.railway:


> >If they're anything like the 323s were when I worked them, the
> >displays will force a zero; they can't cope with a blank field
> >(although on 323s '00' shows as a blank).
> >
> >So, to get " 5", the operator would have to enter "05" and it would
> >display as "05".
> 
> That would certainly explain all the "00" on Southern, although it is
> evidently possible to leave out the code field altogether.  I wonder if
> digits are allowed in the destination field as a way round this?


I don't know what the system is, so I can't say.

On 323s you enter a five digit code, two leading figures for the route
code (generally 00 for blank nowadays) and three figures for the
destination. On 165/166, ISTR it was a five or six figure code unique
to each working (because of the internal display of the stopping
pattern). 170s are different again, with CT 170s using the headcode
plus day of the week (e.g. 1V107 for 1V10 on Sunday) but MML using a
three figure code unique to each stopping pattern.

So, who knows what the SET units use?
-- 
Ross, Lincoln, UK

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