Hi,

Does anyone have any experience with these please?

My Volvo S60 is getting ready for 4 tyres (225/45x17W) and these are
like half the price of the Goodyear F1's I put on last time.

Would appreciate any thoughts/comments.

Cheers,

Lee.

wrote:


> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with these please?
> 
> My Volvo S60 is getting ready for 4 tyres (225/45x17W) and these are
> like half the price of the Goodyear F1's I put on last time.
> 
> Would appreciate any thoughts/comments.


If you've never heard of them before, don't fit them. That's my usual
rule.

I'm about to go down the Colway remould road for my next set. They're
well under half the cost of a new branded tyre, but have a very good
reputation.

-- 
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have any experience with these please?
>
> My Volvo S60 is getting ready for 4 tyres (225/45x17W) and these are
> like half the price of the Goodyear F1's I put on last time.
>
> Would appreciate any thoughts/comments.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lee.



I'm afraid I've never heard of Fortuna - but quite a few budget brands are
made by the big companies. I would ask the supplier where they are made, and
if they know who makes them. If they can't tell you I would avoid them. They
are usually delighted to tell you things like "They're great, made by xxxx
and outlast everything!"

Budget tyres are often a gamble especially on higher performance cars.
Whether they offer good value depends on how enthusiastic you are behind the
wheel, how many miles you cover annually, and how long you intend to keep
the car.

I find on my cars that budget tyres do not save me much money in the long
run. However switching between suppliers does. IME the big companies have
never quoted cheaper than independent companies.

Doctor D  wrote:


>  wrote in message
> news:1122928317.077353.260510@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with these please?
> >
> > My Volvo S60 is getting ready for 4 tyres (225/45x17W) and these are
> > like half the price of the Goodyear F1's I put on last time.
> >
> > Would appreciate any thoughts/comments.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Lee.
> 
> 
> I'm afraid I've never heard of Fortuna - but quite a few budget brands are
> made by the big companies. I would ask the supplier where they are made, and
> if they know who makes them. If they can't tell you I would avoid them. They
> are usually delighted to tell you things like "They're great, made by xxxx
> and outlast everything!"


And they're usually wrong.

ThickFit always try and sell me 'Ceat' tyres by telling me how they're
'made by Pirelli' - which is, of course, bollocks.
-- 
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

SteveH wrote:

> Doctor D  wrote:

> ThickFit always try and sell me 'Ceat' tyres by telling me how they're
> 'made by Pirelli' - which is, of course, bollocks.


The Pirelli Group own a tyre trademark called 'Ceat' - sounds a recipe 
for confusion...

Lee
-- 
Email address is valid, but is unlikely to be read.

In message <42ee8e1b$0$3481$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>, Doctor 
D  writes

>
>Budget tyres are often a gamble especially on higher performance cars.


Just bloody pointless on high performance cars. If you don't care about 
how good the tyres are, you may as well buy a Rover 75.

OTOH, the absolute price differential with non-performance orientated 
cars is so small, I can't see the point. I suppose it might make sense 
on a slow car fitted with aftermarket / optional big low profile tyres 
bought for purely cosmetic purposes, in as much as that combination 
makes any sense in the first place.

-- 
Steve Walker

The message <1h0mzer.ygspl71vprkcoN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>
from steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) contains these words:


> ThickFit always try and sell me 'Ceat' tyres by telling me how they're
> 'made by Pirelli' - which is, of course, bollocks.


http://www.ch.pirelli.com/de_CH/footer_pages/legal_information.jhtml

Down the bottom is a list of Pirelli trademarks - which includes Ceat.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Guy King  wrote:


> The message <1h0mzer.ygspl71vprkcoN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>
> from steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) contains these words:
> 
> > ThickFit always try and sell me 'Ceat' tyres by telling me how they're
> > 'made by Pirelli' - which is, of course, bollocks.
> 
> http://www.ch.pirelli.com/de_CH/footer_pages/legal_information.jhtml
> 
> Down the bottom is a list of Pirelli trademarks - which includes Ceat.


Doesn't tie in with this, though:

http://www.ceatyres.com/aboutus/history.htm
-- 
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

The message <1h0n4o0.4gpre4dmhsjrN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>
from steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) contains these words:


> > Down the bottom is a list of Pirelli trademarks - which includes Ceat.

> Doesn't tie in with this, though:

> http://www.ceatyres.com/aboutus/history.htm


Hmm. Wonder how they sort that out.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

The message <1h0n4o0.4gpre4dmhsjrN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>
from steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) contains these words:


> Doesn't tie in with this, though:

> http://www.ceatyres.com/aboutus/history.htm


Ah - from their 2003 report...

"The Company pursued a strategic initiative of intensifying outsourcing
to expand the product range and increase volumes. An agreement has been
entered into with Pirelli of Italy for outsourcing radial tyres which
are being marketed in the brand name, CEAT Spider Radials."

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Guy King  wrote:


> The message <1h0n4o0.4gpre4dmhsjrN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>
> from steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) contains these words:
> 
> > Doesn't tie in with this, though:
> 
> > http://www.ceatyres.com/aboutus/history.htm
> 
> Ah - from their 2003 report...
> 
> "The Company pursued a strategic initiative of intensifying outsourcing
> to expand the product range and increase volumes. An agreement has been
> entered into with Pirelli of Italy for outsourcing radial tyres which
> are being marketed in the brand name, CEAT Spider Radials."


ThickFit in being right about something shocker......

That surprises me.
-- 
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

SteveH wrote:


> 
> ThickFit always try and sell me 'Ceat' tyres by telling me how they're
> 'made by Pirelli' - which is, of course, bollocks.



Pirelli, the Italian tyre manufacturer, is the sixth largest tyre 
manufacturer in the world with annual sales of $US 3005 million (1998). 
Pirelli can justifiably claim market leadership within Europe. The 
Pirelli brand is an out and out premium brand. However, the Pirelli 
Group owns a number of subsidiary brands including Courier, *Ceat*, 
Armstrong and the Metzeler brand of motorcycle tyres.

In article <1h0my65.18ngpzq1tcct7lN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, 
steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:


> I'm about to go down the Colway remould road for my next set. They're
> well under half the cost of a new branded tyre, but have a very good
> reputation.


I was going to go that way, then I discovered Falken.

4 Colways onto my Escort = 100

4 Falkens onto my Escort = 110

The Falkens are made by Goodyear with Goodyear compound, to an old 
Dunlop pattern.

-- 
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

"Paul Cummins"  wrote in message 
news:memo.20050802094742.3980F@0007148297.gst-group.co.uk...

> In article <1h0my65.18ngpzq1tcct7lN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>,
> steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>
>> I'm about to go down the Colway remould road for my next set. They're
>> well under half the cost of a new branded tyre, but have a very good
>> reputation.
>
> I was going to go that way, then I discovered Falken.
>
> 4 Colways onto my Escort = 100
>
> 4 Falkens onto my Escort = 110
>
> The Falkens are made by Goodyear with Goodyear compound, to an old
> Dunlop pattern.
>


4 Michelins for an escort (185/60x14) are 170 quid, dearer, but I'll bet 
they last longer and grip better.  How much is safety worth?

mrcheerful

In article <LBPHe.81474$G8.73326@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, 
nbkm57@hotmail.com (mrcheerful                                           
                               .) wrote:


> 4 Michelins for an escort (185/60x14) are 170 quid, dearer, but I'll 
> bet they last longer and grip better.  How much is safety worth?


I'm currently on Vredstein rear and Semperit front, all down to 2mm

New Falkens will be better than old mixtures, regardless.

I cannot drive the tyres off the car, since it's the 90bHp diesel, so I 
think Falkens will do, thanks.

-- 
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

"Paul Cummins"  wrote in message 
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> In article <LBPHe.81474$G8.73326@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> nbkm57@hotmail.com (mrcheerful
>                               .) wrote:
>
>> 4 Michelins for an escort (185/60x14) are 170 quid, dearer, but I'll
>> bet they last longer and grip better.  How much is safety worth?
>
> I'm currently on Vredstein rear and Semperit front, all down to 2mm
>
> New Falkens will be better than old mixtures, regardless.
>
> I cannot drive the tyres off the car, since it's the 90bHp diesel, so I
> think Falkens will do, thanks.


I would agree, except that sometimes, in a genuine emergency (which can 
happen to any driver, no matter how good) you need that last little bit of 
grip, especially when stopping, a set of good tyres may prevent a crash or 
worse, running someone over.  Unfortunately you may not understand/believe 
this until you have been in the situation.

mrcheerful

mrcheerful . wrote:

> "Paul Cummins"  wrote in message 
> news:memo.20050802094742.3980F@0007148297.gst-group.co.uk...
> 
>>In article <1h0my65.18ngpzq1tcct7lN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>,
>>steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm about to go down the Colway remould road for my next set. They're
>>>well under half the cost of a new branded tyre, but have a very good
>>>reputation.
>>
>>I was going to go that way, then I discovered Falken.
>>
>>4 Colways onto my Escort = 100
>>
>>4 Falkens onto my Escort = 110
>>
>>The Falkens are made by Goodyear with Goodyear compound, to an old
>>Dunlop pattern.
>>
> 
> 
> 4 Michelins for an escort (185/60x14) are 170 quid, dearer, but I'll bet 
> they last longer and grip better.  How much is safety worth?
> 
> mrcheerful 
> 
> 

Ok, translate the price from a 185/60x14 to the OP's 225/45x17's 
(cheapest Michelin's on "blackcircles" = 111 for 17" and 41 for 14"), 
and ask the same question. Perhaps being able to afford to replace with 
"lesser" tyres is better than not being able to afford them, and running 
the old ones into the ground? Perhaps the OP's car is intrinsically 
safer, with a better braking system and significantly more rubber in 
contact with the ground?, maybe the answer to how much is safety worth 
has already been provided with the OP's choice of car?

(Sorry, rant over)

The message <LBPHe.81474$G8.73326@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "mrcheerful                                                        
                 ."  contains these words:


>  How much is safety worth?


How long is a piece of string?

It ain't a black and white question - like everything else in life it's
a balance. With finite resources driving comes down to a series of
choices about what you're going to pay for - some people might consider
that a car without ABS isn't safe enough for them, others are quite
content without it. Just like tyres, this is a cost/benefit choice.

Clearly, some choices are easier to make than others - being to mean to
maintain your steering and brakes or adequate tread is taking things too
far in almost anyone's book, but choosing one brand of tyre over another
is less clearcut. Most tyres give adequate performance - I've a set of
cheapies on my Audi and have yet to catch them out even in very poor
conditions like standing water or drizzle after weeks of no rain.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Paul Cummins wrote:


> In article <LBPHe.81474$G8.73326@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> nbkm57@hotmail.com (mrcheerful
>                                .) wrote:
> 
>> 4 Michelins for an escort (185/60x14) are 170 quid, dearer, but I'll
>> bet they last longer and grip better.  How much is safety worth?
> 
> I'm currently on Vredstein rear and Semperit front, all down to 2mm
> 
> New Falkens will be better than old mixtures, regardless.


Experience has shown me the opposite. I once fitted a set of Courier (budget
Pirelli) to an Escort. They had so little grip during firm braking, I
replaced them after a month of scares.

I would rather have Michelin, Continental, et al, worn down to 2mm than new
budget tyres.


> 
> I cannot drive the tyres off the car, since it's the 90bHp diesel, so I
> think Falkens will do, thanks.


The 90bHp doesn't influence the tyres' wear under heavy braking or cornering
though. 

Chris

-- 
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"Guy King"  wrote in message 
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> The message <LBPHe.81474$G8.73326@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> from "mrcheerful
>                 ."  contains these words:
>
>>  How much is safety worth?
>
> How long is a piece of string?
>
> It ain't a black and white question - like everything else in life it's
> a balance. With finite resources driving comes down to a series of
> choices about what you're going to pay for - some people might consider
> that a car without ABS isn't safe enough for them, others are quite
> content without it. Just like tyres, this is a cost/benefit choice.
>
> Clearly, some choices are easier to make than others - being to mean to
> maintain your steering and brakes or adequate tread is taking things too
> far in almost anyone's book, but choosing one brand of tyre over another
> is less clearcut. Most tyres give adequate performance - I've a set of
> cheapies on my Audi and have yet to catch them out even in very poor
> conditions like standing water or drizzle after weeks of no rain.



AAh, but the person I was answering was not the OP.

Yes the 17 inch size is a lot more, probably nearer 120 quid each, but why 
have a car if you cannot afford to keep it properly maintained?  Do the car 
manufacturers think that Falkens or Colways are a good choice?  No, they 
don't, and I don't think any mainstream car manufacturer would fit a non 
major brand tyre, perhaps there is a very good reason for that?  Car 
manufacturers will do anything to save even fractions of a penny per 
component, yet do not fit cheap tyres (on which, with their buying power 
they could save 10s of pounds per car).  The reason is that by their very 
nature of construction and composition a cheap tyre is not as good as a top 
brand tyre in grip, handling or life expectancy(full stop)

My rant over.

Mrcheerful

> AAh, but the person I was answering was not the OP.
>
> Yes the 17 inch size is a lot more, probably nearer 120 quid each, but why
> have a car if you cannot afford to keep it properly maintained?  Do the car
> manufacturers think that Falkens or Colways are a good choice?  No, they
> don't, and I don't think any mainstream car manufacturer would fit a non
> major brand tyre, perhaps there is a very good reason for that?  Car
> manufacturers will do anything to save even fractions of a penny per
> component, yet do not fit cheap tyres (on which, with their buying power
> they could save 10s of pounds per car).  The reason is that by their very
> nature of construction and composition a cheap tyre is not as good as a top
> brand tyre in grip, handling or life expectancy(full stop)


Hi,

Just realised by OP you were prob refering to me! :) Been using USENET
on and off for 15 years and not seen that one before...

Anyway, having seen the debate will stick with premium brand tyres I
think. Safety is a big issue to me having a young baby, so trying to
decide between some more Goodyear F1's and Michellin (either PS2's or
Primacy).

Seeing an alternative for half the price, the question had to be worth
asking...

Origianl question was more as to whether it was money well spent for
branded tyres, balance of opinion seems to be yes.

Car is a Volvo S60 2.0T, hardly neck brakingly quick with only 180bhp,
but stopping is why I want big rubber. Brakes are awesome on the S60.

Cheers,

Lee.

In message , Lee 
B  writes

>
>Anyway, having seen the debate will stick with premium brand tyres I
>think. Safety is a big issue to me having a young baby, so trying to
>decide between some more Goodyear F1's and Michellin (either PS2's or
>Primacy).
>
>Seeing an alternative for half the price, the question had to be worth
>asking...
>

The debate has focused on the budget tyres and the top premium tyres. 
There are good tyres in between these two extremes. I've always bought 
Michelin, Dunlop, Pirelli, Goodyear etc in the past.

I have put Michelin Primacys on my Focus but they worked out too 
expensive on my Mondeo which has one of those odd expensive sizes. I put 
on Firestone TZ200's. They have been on for 11k miles and they have been 
just fine wet and dry. The fronts have got 5.5mm of tread left which 
isn't too bad. The Mondeo is heavy on the front tyres so if they last 
more than 20k I'll be pleased.

-- 
Paul Giverin

British Jet Engine Website    http://www.britjet.co.uk

> Do the car manufacturers think that Falkens or Colways are a good choice? 
> No, they don't, and I don't think any mainstream car manufacturer would 
> fit a non major brand tyre, perhaps there is a very good reason for that? 
> Car manufacturers will do anything to save even fractions of a penny per 
> component, yet do not fit cheap tyres (on which, with their buying power 
> they could save 10s of pounds per car).  The reason is that by their very 
> nature of construction and composition a cheap tyre is not as good as a 
> top brand tyre in grip, handling or life expectancy(full stop)


True about performance and life expectancy, but there is the argument that 
all tyres are made to conform to minimum safety standards.

-- 
Peter

"You're not a real UKRCMer until you've owned a Rover 620ti."

The message <Rs_He.81755$G8.52539@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "mrcheerful                                                        
                 ."  contains these words:


> The reason is that by their very 
> nature of construction and composition a cheap tyre is not as good as a top 
> brand tyre in grip, handling or life expectancy(full stop)


No, they're not, but in my experience they're adequate for the way I drive.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "mrcheerful
.."  saying something like:


> No, they 
>don't, and I don't think any mainstream car manufacturer would fit a non 
>major brand tyre, perhaps there is a very good reason for that? 


Corporate kickbacks are one reason, certainly. Another might be the fear
of legal action if a lesser-known but still quite good tyre is fitted as
OE. Why give the sharks bait in the event of a numpty driver looking to
blame somebody else?
-- 

Dave
SE6a

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:


> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "mrcheerful
> ."  saying something like:
> 
>> No, they
>>don't, and I don't think any mainstream car manufacturer would fit a non
>>major brand tyre, perhaps there is a very good reason for that?
> 
> Corporate kickbacks are one reason, certainly. Another might be the fear
> of legal action if a lesser-known but still quite good tyre is fitted as
> OE. Why give the sharks bait in the event of a numpty driver looking to
> blame somebody else?


Didn't help Ford in the US of A though, did it?

:-)

Chris 

-- 
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Chris Whelan
 saying something like:


>> Corporate kickbacks are one reason, certainly. Another might be the fear
>> of legal action if a lesser-known but still quite good tyre is fitted as
>> OE. Why give the sharks bait in the event of a numpty driver looking to
>> blame somebody else?
>
>Didn't help Ford in the US of A though, did it?


What case is that, out of interest?
-- 

Dave
SE6a

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:


> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Chris Whelan
>  saying something like:
> 
>>> Corporate kickbacks are one reason, certainly. Another might be the fear
>>> of legal action if a lesser-known but still quite good tyre is fitted as
>>> OE. Why give the sharks bait in the event of a numpty driver looking to
>>> blame somebody else?
>>
>>Didn't help Ford in the US of A though, did it?
> 
> What case is that, out of interest?



I was referring to the infamous Ford/Firestone problems of a few years back.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1345087.stm

Chris

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The message <1msIe.23281$bT4.10096@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>
from Chris Whelan  contains these words:


> I was referring to the infamous Ford/Firestone problems of a few years back.

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1345087.stm


Odd that they should blame the tyre when a car rolls over after a
blowout. OK, it'd be nice if they didn't pop but designing a car which
rolls over when it happens is foolhardy.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Guy King wrote:


> The message <1msIe.23281$bT4.10096@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>
> from Chris Whelan  contains these words:
> 
>> I was referring to the infamous Ford/Firestone problems of a few years
>> back.
> 
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1345087.stm
> 
> Odd that they should blame the tyre when a car rolls over after a
> blowout. OK, it'd be nice if they didn't pop but designing a car which
> rolls over when it happens is foolhardy.
> 


The combination of soggy Yank suspension, dodgy tyres and an "SUV" probably
made it almost inevitable!

Chris

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The message <BstIe.10221$n97.7301@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>
from Chris Whelan  contains these words:


> > Odd that they should blame the tyre when a car rolls over after a
> > blowout. OK, it'd be nice if they didn't pop but designing a car which
> > rolls over when it happens is foolhardy.
> > 

> The combination of soggy Yank suspension, dodgy tyres and an "SUV" probably
> made it almost inevitable!


Which is why it seems silly to blame the tyres.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Guy King wrote:


> The message <BstIe.10221$n97.7301@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>
> from Chris Whelan  contains these words:
> 
>> > Odd that they should blame the tyre when a car rolls over after a
>> > blowout. OK, it'd be nice if they didn't pop but designing a car which
>> > rolls over when it happens is foolhardy.
>> > 
> 
>> The combination of soggy Yank suspension, dodgy tyres and an "SUV"
>> probably made it almost inevitable!
> 
> Which is why it seems silly to blame the tyres.
> 

Yep, but it was in America!

Chris

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The message <IwvIe.23025$Fx3.6850@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>
from Chris Whelan  contains these words:


> > Which is why it seems silly to blame the tyres.
> > 
> Yep, but it was in America!


Fair point. You'll probably find a sub-suit somewhere where someone's
sueing McDeadthings for letting hot coffee spill all over them when the
car turned over.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

There's also the fact that the tyres are the only obvious item of
equipment on a car to have OEM branding, to the average Joe Bloggs at
least.  I'm sure many manufacturers at the 'cheaper' end of the market
wouldn't have a problem with, for example, specifying a cheap unknown
brand for the suppliers of their headlights at the factory instead of
maybe Hella, but kitting out their brand-new cars with a big fat 'Ceat'
logo stamped on the tyre walls doesn't do much for showroom kudos.

Guy King wrote:


> The message <IwvIe.23025$Fx3.6850@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>
> from Chris Whelan  contains these words:
> 
>> > Which is why it seems silly to blame the tyres.
>> > 
>> Yep, but it was in America!
> 
> Fair point. You'll probably find a sub-suit somewhere where someone's
> sueing McDeadthings for letting hot coffee spill all over them when the
> car turned over.
> 

Very probably!

Chris
-- 
Remove prejudice to reply

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Chris Whelan
 saying something like:


>I was referring to the infamous Ford/Firestone problems of a few years back.
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1345087.stm


Ah, thought it rang a bell.

Ta for that.
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Dave
SE6a