<
<

> =========================================
>                                   PREFACE

This is the HubbleTelescope's 2004 ultraview photo, one
that was taken of a totally blackened sky as if through
an eight-foot straw. Result: galaxies upon galaxies upon
galaxies, meaning that our universe is far bigger than we
can even begin to fathom.

>

http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
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> =========================================

<
<
Truth indeed is stranger than fiction.
<
And an honest, courageous scientist follows truth no matter
where it leads.
<
It is with a heavy heart that I bring to light one of the greatest
conspiracies of all time.

>

Especially so, because I was born and raised Catholic.

>

I am sad to report that, beyond any reasonable doubt, the Gospels
of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are based on an enormous
amount of fabrication -- insertions here, deletions there -- as to
the biography of the man known as Jesus Christ.

>

For one thing, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John don't
even have his name right. Actually, his name was Jmmanuel
(pronounced Immanuel). And much, much more importantly,
he NEVER ONCE claimed to be the Son of God.
<
But Jmmanuel DID reveal that his father was an extraterrestrial,
a resident of a planet in another far-off solar system -- 
certainly not a God. This, of course, never made the Gospels
of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
<
You see, the original New Testament Gospels weren't written by
Matthew, Mark, Luke or John but by Judas Iscariot, who DID NOT
betray "Jesus," then commit suicide. The betrayer actually was
a man with a similiar-sounding name but Judas has taken the
eternal bum rap.
<
The truth is, "Jesus" DID NOT die on the cross and, in fact, lived
into his 90s, having married while in his 40s and raising a family.
<
And Judas Iscariot remained his faithful companion for decades
after the crucifixion, transcribing Jmmanuel's travels to India and
his many years of preaching there.
<
Truth or Fiction? All you need do is be true to yourself and compare
what's written in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John with
scrolls that Billy Meier had found in a cave near Jerusalem in 1963,
now known as the Talmud of Jmmanuel (written by Judas Iscariot).
<
Meier was directed to the parchments -- encased in tree resin --
by extraterrestrials who originally had made their presence known
to him when he was only five years old, some 63 years ago, with
regular visitations continuing over all these years.
<
Credit for this mind-boggling breakthrough about "Jesus Christ"
and the falacy of the Gospels has to go to many brave, courageous
scholars, true scientists in every sense of the word..

>

First and foremost is Jim Deardorff, research emeritus professor
at Oregon State University who devoted 15 years patiently analyzing
The Talmud of Jmmanuel, especially in comparison to the Gospel of
Matthew which has long been erroneously believed to be the original.
<
The bottom line is that Matthew undoubtedly used many of Judas
Iscariat's transcriptions as the basis for his own version of the
Gospel -- but took the liberty of adding and subtracting facts and
information as he saw fit (or had been ordered to).
<
 Deardoff, in the Introduction to his exhaustive research, explains
that The Talmud of Jmmanue "discovered in Jerusalem in 1963
ushers in the New Age while exposing the New Testament
gospels as being more corrupt than even the Jesus Seminar
suspects."

>

As Dietmar Rothe, a scholar who also studied the ancient scrolls,
writes: "The Talmud of Jmmanuel makes it clear that our genetic roots
lie in the cosmos, and that there are other human populations
scattered throughout the galaxy.
<
"Extraterrestrial beings have monitored and guided Earth humanity's
evolution for millions of years. We need to accept this 'alien'
presence and extract meaning and value from this for our own
spiritual growth.
<
"Only ignorant people with an impoverished consciousness
will keep asking: 'Is there intelligent life out there?' In truth,
the entire universe is alive and intelligent because the infinitely
intelligent Creation spirit maintains everything that exists within
its consciousness."
<

> http://www.avilabooks.com/Jmmanuel.htm
> http://www.proaxis.com/~deardorj/
>
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>                          UFO PHOTOS
>     (Plenty More Where These Came From)

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> http://theyfly.com/media/pages/f0200_jpg.htm
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>                EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT
>                The Astounding Billy Meier Story
<
> http://www.billymeier.com/photos.htm
> http://www.billymeier.com/billy_meier.htm
> http://www.billymeier.com/pleiadians.htm
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> ==================================
<
> http://www.theyfly.com is the web site of Michael
> Horn, Billy Meier's official American representative.
> He will accept a debate from anyone in the world
> on the credibility of the Meier contacts and photos
> and everything else concerning the extraterrestrials.
> You can e-mail him at mich...@theyfly.com
> (The Mich... stands for Michael in his address.)
> Many of Billy Meier's UFO photos also can be found at:
> http://www.theyfly.com/gallery.htm


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> http://www.edconrad.com

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> Your Guide to Major Religions of the World

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/world_religions/index.shtml
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> WORLD'S LARGEST NEWSPAPERS
>Rank  Title  Country  Circulation (000)

1  Yomiuri Shimbun  Japan  14,067
2  The Asahi Shimbun  Japan  12,121
3  Mainichi Shimbun  Japan  5,587
4  Nihon Keizai Shimbun  Japan  4,635
5  Chunichi Shimbun  Japan  4,512
6  Bild  Germany  3,867
7  Sankei Shimbun  Japan  2,757
8  Canako Xiaoxi (Beijing)  China  2,627
9  People's Daily  China  2,509
10  Tokyo Sports  Japan  2,425
11  The Sun  United Kingdom  2,419
12  The Chosun Ilbo  South Korea  2,378
13  USA Today  USA  2,310
14  The Wall Street Journal  USA  2,107
15  Daily Mail  UK  2,093
16  The Joongang Ilbo  South Korea  2,084
17  The Dong-A Ilbo  South Korea  2,052
18  Nikkan Sports  Japan  1,965
19  Hokkaido Shimbun  Japan  1,922
20  Dainik Jagran  India  1,911
21  Yangtse Evening Post  China  1,715
22  Sports Nippon  Japan  1,711
23  The Nikkan Gendai  Japan  1,686
24  Times of India  India  1,680
25  Guangzhou Daily  China  1,650
26  The Mirror  UK  1,597
27  Yukan Fuji  Japan  1,559
28  Shizuoka Shimbun  Japan  1,479
29  Nanfang City News (Guangzhou)  China  1,410
30  Dainik Bhaskar  India  1,405
31  Sankei Sports  Japan  1,368
32  Hochi Shimbun  Japan  1,354
33  Yangcheng Evening News (Guangzhou)  China  1,320
34  Malayala Manorama  India  1,309
35  Liberty Times  Taiwan  1,300
36  Thai Rath  Thailand  1,200
37  New York Times  USA  1,121
38  Hindustan Times  India  1,108
39  Chutian Metro Daily (Wuhan)  China  1,084
40  Gujarat Samachar  India  1,051
41  Ananda Bazar Patrika  India  1,046
42  Xinmin Evening News (Shanghai)  China  1,045
43  Eenadu  India  1,039
44  Nishi-Nippon Shimbun  Japan  1,025
45  Kronen Zeitung  Austria  1,009
46  WAZ Mediengruppe  Germany 1,001
47  United Daily News  Taiwan 1,000
48  China Times  Taiwan 1,000
49  Daily Sports  Japan 999
50  The Hindu  India  989
51  Hindustan  India  957
52  Beijing Evening News  China  950
53  Mathrubhumi  India  904
54  Los Angeles Times  USA  902
55  Information Times  China  900
56  Daily News  Thailand  900
57  Al-Ahram  Egypt  900
58  Peninsula City News  China  860
59  Kom Chad Luek  Thailand  850
60  Kyoto Shimbun  Japan  825
61  Kobe Shimbun  Japan  821
62  Punjab Kesari  India  817
63  Komsomolskaya Pravda  Russia  817
64  Rajasthan Patrika  India  804
65  Dahe Newspaper  China  796
66  Chugoku Shimbun  Japan  789
67  Ouest France  France  783
68  Daily Sakai  India  783
69  Jang  Pakistan  775
70  AJ  India  759
71  De Telegraaf  The Netherlands  753
72  Qianjiang Evening News  China  750
73  Qilu Evening News  China  750
74  Nanfang Daily  China  750
75  Daily Thanthi  India  750
76  Moskovskiy Komsomolets  Russia  750
77  Sandesh  India  743
78  Daily Express  UK  720
79  New York Daily News  USA  715
80  The Washington Post  USA  708
81  Daily Star  UK  705
82  Today Evening News  China  699
83  New York Post  USA  686
84  Corriere della Sera  Italy  677
85  Wuhan Evening News  China  660
86  Modern Express  China  651
87  Yanzhao Metro Daily  China  650
88  Metro Express China  650
89  Zeitungsgruppe Koln  Germany  628
90  Kahoku Shimpo  Japan  622
91  La Repubblica  Italy  622
92  Trud  Russia  613
93  Beijing Youth Daily  China  606
94  Chicago Tribune  USA  601
95  New Express  China  600
96  Daily Sunshine  China  600
97  Matichon  Thailand  600
98  Khao Sod  Thailand  600
99  Apple Daily  Taiwan  600
100  Min Sheng Pao  Taiwan  600

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> http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
> <



Lovely photo. I do like Hubble.

What was all that other crap about though?

ally

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:14:53 +0100, "a l l y"
 wrote:


>
>>>
>> http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
>> <
>
>
>Lovely photo. I do like Hubble.
>
>What was all that other crap about though?
>
>ally 
>


No idea:I put him in the killfile immediately.

Did you hear that the bloody conventioners are at it again in Keswick

They asked a gallery owner to hide a nude statue because it was lewd.....
I really wish they would p*** off and inflict themselves on some other
hapless town for a change.

J.

a l l y wrote:

>>http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
>><
> 
> 
> 
> Lovely photo. I do like Hubble.
> 
> What was all that other crap about though?
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Dunno. Thanks for cutting the crap out.

Isn't outer space crowded! It looks as if you couldn't avoid hitting 
something out there.

Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
news:bUwHe.14820$sf6.13902@fe08.lga...

>a l l y wrote:
>>>http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
>>><
>>
>>
>>
>> Lovely photo. I do like Hubble.
>>
>> What was all that other crap about though?
>>
>> ally
> Dunno. Thanks for cutting the crap out.
>
> Isn't outer space crowded! It looks as if you couldn't avoid hitting 
> something out there.
>

Well, if you were a galaxy you might have trouble, it's true. However, even 
the most enormous human would sail past all that stuff, quite oblivious - 
unless they were *very* unlucky, I suppose.

ally

(I wonder if I'm making sense? Morris dancing & booze sometimes affect my 
judgement... Heigh ho... who cares...)

"JH"  wrote in message 
news:7f9se1ldj9fug4avtf99gr0ci09n6pp843@4ax.com...

>
> Did you hear that the bloody conventioners are at it again in Keswick
>
> They asked a gallery owner to hide a nude statue because it was lewd.....
> I really wish they would p*** off and inflict themselves on some other
> hapless town for a change.
>

Lewd statues in Keswick! Hurrah! That'll attract the punters! What a 
headline!

Maybe it *was* lewd. I suddenly have visions of the sort of nude statue that 
might be considered lewd... my mind is quietly boggling.... cor blimey... 
However, this is a family newsgroup (in theory) so I really cannot describe 
the scenes of wanton outrageousness in marble that are now filling my 
imagination.

Gosh.

ally

"a l l y"  wrote:


>
>>>
>> http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
>> <
>
>
>Lovely photo. I do like Hubble.
>
>What was all that other crap about though?


Dunno, I didn't read it.

>
>ally 
>

Hey Ally, there's this pro-mo on tv in which (Sir?) Patrick Moore
lists some discoveries made in his lifeitme, which includes
"galaxies without stars" !!  That's a new one to me: do you happen
to know what he's on about?

 
-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

a l l y wrote:


>>Isn't outer space crowded! It looks as if you couldn't avoid hitting 
>>something out there.
>>
> 
> Well, if you were a galaxy you might have trouble, it's true. However, even 
> the most enormous human would sail past all that stuff, quite oblivious - 
> unless they were *very* unlucky, I suppose.
> 
> ally
> 
> (I wonder if I'm making sense? Morris dancing & booze sometimes affect my 
> judgement... Heigh ho... who cares...) 
> 
> 

Yes, Ally, you're making sense. Booze has affected my judgement at 
times, but I've never used Morris Dancing as an excuse.

I know that it's all relative and that at one time we can be both 
inconsequentially tiny and phenomenally large.

Jp

>>
>> Did you hear that the bloody conventioners are at it again in Keswick
>>
>> They asked a gallery owner to hide a nude statue because it was lewd.....
>> I really wish they would p*** off and inflict themselves on some other
>> hapless town for a change.
>>
> Lewd statues in Keswick! Hurrah! That'll attract the punters! What a 
> headline!
>
> Maybe it *was* lewd. I suddenly have visions of the sort of nude statue 
> that might be considered lewd... my mind is quietly boggling.... cor 
> blimey... However, this is a family newsgroup (in theory) so I really 
> cannot describe the scenes of wanton outrageousness in marble that are now 
> filling my imagination.
>
> Gosh.
>
> ally
>

I missed it?!!! Darn.  Wonder where it was.  I quite liked the statues at 
Gretna Green. ;-)

Tania

Jpinny wrote:

> a l l y wrote:
>>
>> (I wonder if I'm making sense? Morris dancing & booze sometimes
>> affect my judgement... Heigh ho... who cares...)
>>
>>
> Yes, Ally, you're making sense. Booze has affected my judgement at
> times, but I've never used Morris Dancing as an excuse.
>
> Jp


Within my 'circle of friends' one would pray that booze afected lack of 
judgment if using Morris Dancing (watching or taking part) to excuse 
oneself. Thank God I'm teetotal now. Less excuses and apologies to be made 
for a myriad of sins.

Kezzi-J2O

Jpinny wrote:

> a l l y wrote:
>
>> Well, if you were a galaxy you might have trouble, it's true.
>> However, even the most enormous human would sail past all that
>> stuff, quite oblivious - unless they were *very* unlucky, I suppose.


Not if the human were as big as a galaxy, I think.... Like Mr. Creosote....

Mind you, when I was very, very small - about the age of 5 - I collided with 
a planet and escaped, luckily, with few injuries. I fell from the top of a 
very tall tree and hit the Earth at about 60mph....



>> (I wonder if I'm making sense? Morris dancing & booze sometimes
>> affect my judgement... Heigh ho... who cares...)


Talking about Morris Dancing and booze don't forget that Belfagan are 
elligible for inclusion in our Furness Gig Guide 
(http://furnessgigguide.tripod.com/) so sling a few of your Furnessian 
bookings this way and a photie or two. Spot me in the photo section.....

Kez-with-an-ad-in-the-Evening-Mail-on-Thursday

"Dirty Sanchez" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
news:42ef2921$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
.....

>
> Mind you, when I was very, very small - about the age of 5 - I collided 
> with a planet and escaped, luckily, with few injuries. I fell from the top 
> of a very tall tree and hit the Earth at about 60mph....


Hmmm... might explain a lot.... ;-)


>
>
>>> (I wonder if I'm making sense? Morris dancing & booze sometimes
>>> affect my judgement... Heigh ho... who cares...)
>
> Talking about Morris Dancing and booze don't forget that Belfagan are 
> elligible for inclusion in our Furness Gig Guide 
> (http://furnessgigguide.tripod.com/) so sling a few of your Furnessian 
> bookings this way and a photie or two. Spot me in the photo section.....
>

Nice useful site. We could do with something like that up this end of the 
county. Pity Belfagan very rarely venture that far south, and even when we 
do it's usually part of something bigger like the Furness Tradition in 
Ulverston.

The site could do with another section, actually: bands & performers who are 
looking for gigs in the area, with contact details.

ally

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
news:ibbte11icepbiel1ltidkp8cb2q7lagk32@4ax.com...

>>
> Hey Ally, there's this pro-mo on tv in which (Sir?) Patrick Moore
> lists some discoveries made in his lifeitme, which includes
> "galaxies without stars" !!  That's a new one to me: do you happen
> to know what he's on about?
>

Haven't come across that either. Something to do with Dark Matter, do you 
think?

The day may come when Patrick Moore starts going senile: you can just 
imagine him describing, in his enthusiastic, though aging, voice, contact 
with aliens, the cheesy (after all) surface of the moon, and the wormhole 
(not the type containing a worm) that has materialised in his garden behind 
his favourite telescope. And we'll all sit there nodding, and say, "Yes! It 
must be true! Patrick Moore says so, after all..."

ally

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 00:21:38 +0100, Sleepalot wrote:


> Hey Ally, there's this pro-mo on tv in which (Sir?) Patrick Moore
> lists some discoveries made in his lifeitme, which includes
> "galaxies without stars" !!  That's a new one to me: do you happen
> to know what he's on about?


Presumably "dark matter", of which there is rather a lot but as it's 
dark we've only just spotted it(*). Partly as an aside to the question 
"Will the universe keep expanding forever or reverse and end in a Big 
Crunch?"

(*) By its affects on objects and by the blocking of light from 
objects more distant. I think, ISTR something on the radio that dark 
matter is really another state of matter rather than just lots of gas 
and dust. Try google...

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

a l l y wrote:

> "Dirty Sanchez" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote ..
>>
>> Talking about Morris Dancing and booze don't forget that Belfagan are
>> elligible for inclusion in our Furness Gig Guide
>> (http://furnessgigguide.tripod.com/) so sling a few of your
>> Furnessian bookings this way and a photie or two. Spot me in the
>> photo section.....
> Nice useful site. We could do with something like that up this end of
> the county. Pity Belfagan very rarely venture that far south, and
> even when we do it's usually part of something bigger like the
> Furness Tradition in Ulverston.


Still makes you elligible even as part of a larger venture....


> The site could do with another section, actually: bands & performers
> who are looking for gigs in the area, with contact details.
>
> ally


No... can't. We have a deal with Furness Music Promotions. We list the gigs, 
i.e. "What's On", and they do the promotions and showcasing.... FMP is at 
http://furnessmusic.co.uk/

Kez. . .

"a l l y"  wrote:
[snip]

So not a fan of Patrick Moore then... fair enough.


-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote:


>On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 00:21:38 +0100, Sleepalot wrote:
>
>> Hey Ally, there's this pro-mo on tv in which (Sir?) Patrick Moore
>> lists some discoveries made in his lifeitme, which includes
>> "galaxies without stars" !!  That's a new one to me: do you happen
>> to know what he's on about?
>
>Presumably "dark matter", of which there is rather a lot but as it's 
>dark we've only just spotted it(*). Partly as an aside to the question 
>"Will the universe keep expanding forever or reverse and end in a Big 
>Crunch?"
>
>(*) By its affects on objects and by the blocking of light from 
>objects more distant. I think, ISTR something on the radio that dark 
>matter is really another state of matter rather than just lots of gas 
>and dust. Try google...


I thought dark matter was dark because it was cold, yet it has 
mass, and if lots of mass is brought together in one region, it
coalesces [1] and warms up. No?

[1] I can't believe I spelled that correctly, but my (rarely used)
spell-checker didn't object.
  

-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

Dave Liquorice wrote:


> Presumably "dark matter", of which there is rather a lot but as it's 
> dark we've only just spotted it(*). Partly as an aside to the question 
> "Will the universe keep expanding forever or reverse and end in a Big 
> Crunch?"
> 
> (*) By its affects on objects and by the blocking of light from 
> objects more distant. I think, ISTR something on the radio that dark 
> matter is really another state of matter rather than just lots of gas 
> and dust. Try google...
> 

How on earth does one look for a galaxy without a star? The only 
evidence of a dark galaxy must be their gravitational impact on visible 
matter.

Wow.

Jp

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
news:9420f11tq1qj3r5kmfjqjpp7om68j0hkse@4ax.com...

> "a l l y"  wrote:
> [snip]
>
> So not a fan of Patrick Moore then... fair enough.
>

Oh, but I am! But he's so perfect to caricature, I just can't resist!

I have a photo - buried safely in some box or other - of him with Steve, 
with a globe of the moon involved somewhere. He didn't particularly want me 
to take his photo, with or without Steve, and glared at the camera with that 
well-known glare, but still, I got the pic, and it's safely secreted away 
along with the one of Steve with Douglas Adams.

Ah, heady days!

ally

a l l y wrote:

> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
> news:9420f11tq1qj3r5kmfjqjpp7om68j0hkse@4ax.com...
> 
>>"a l l y"  wrote:
>>[snip]
>>
>>So not a fan of Patrick Moore then... fair enough.
>>
> 
> Oh, but I am! But he's so perfect to caricature, I just can't resist!
> 
> I have a photo - buried safely in some box or other - of him with Steve, 
> with a globe of the moon involved somewhere. He didn't particularly want me 
> to take his photo, with or without Steve, and glared at the camera with that 
> well-known glare, but still, I got the pic, and it's safely secreted away 
> along with the one of Steve with Douglas Adams.
> 
> Ah, heady days!
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

I believe that glare is due to one of his eyes being a glass one. He 
often spoke of the importance of never looking at the sun through a 
telescope.

Jp

"a l l y"  wrote:


>
>>>
>> http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
>> <
>
>
>Lovely photo. I do like Hubble.
>
>What was all that other crap about though?


It's about using science to promote religion.
(I relented and had a look due to boredom.)


-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

When I see this sort of rubbish, it amuses me to
pick out and categorise the various fallacies used.
(Yes, I know I'm sad.) 

First thing to note is that the author lacks the honesty to
openly declare which particular death cult he's promoting:
it looks like Scientology to me.

Ed Conrad  wrote:
[snip]

>This is the HubbleTelescope's 2004 ultraview photo, one
>that was taken of a totally blackened sky as if through
>an eight-foot straw. Result: galaxies upon galaxies upon
>galaxies, meaning that our universe is far bigger than we
>can even begin to fathom.


Non sequiteur[1] plus appeal to ignorance[2].
[1] It may equally be that the most distant galaxy we can see
_is_ the most distant galaxy. 
[2] "We don't know how big the universe is, so you can't prove
I'm wrong."

[snip]

>Truth indeed is stranger than fiction.


Unsupported assertion.


>And an honest, courageous scientist follows truth no matter
>where it leads.


Appeal to the crowd. ("I'm nice, follow me.") 

[snip padding]

>(...) the Gospels (...) are based on an enormous amount of 
>fabrication -- insertions here, deletions there -- as to
>the biography of the man known as Jesus Christ.

[snip many unsupported assertions]

>(...) compare what's written in the Gospels (...) with scrolls that 
>Billy Meier had found in a cave near Jerusalem in 1963,
>now known as the Talmud of Jmmanuel (written by Judas Iscariot).


Argument from authority[3] plus non sequiteur[4]
[3] "This document is proof that..."  No, it isn't.
[4] This document contradicts that document, therefor that
document is wrong.

[snip general crap]

>As Dietmar Rothe, a scholar who also studied the ancient scrolls,
>writes: "The Talmud of Jmmanuel makes it clear that our genetic roots
>lie in the cosmos, and that there are other human populations
>scattered throughout the galaxy.


Double argument from authority.
1. It says this, so it must be true.
2. He says so, so it must be true. 

[snip crap]


>>(Michael Horn) will accept a debate from anyone 
>>in the world on the credibility of (...)


Credibility is not established by debate.


>>         PETRIFIED BONES, TEETH AND SOFT ORGANS
>>           DISCOVERED BETWEEN ANTHRACITE VEINS
>>    (Proving Man Was Here Long Before Darwin's Theory)


Indeed Darwin himself was here for many years before 
he developed his theory!

[snip rest of crap]

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"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
>>> <
>>
>>
>>Lovely photo. I do like Hubble.
>>
>>What was all that other crap about though?
>
> It's about using science to promote religion.


Ah. Never a good idea, really.



> (I relented and had a look due to boredom.)
>

Oh dear. That sounds serious. If you're that bored, you could come and cut 
the grass in our veg garden for us....

ally

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:54:05 -0400, Jpinny  wrote:


>Dave Liquorice wrote:
>
>> Presumably "dark matter", of which there is rather a lot but as it's 
>> dark we've only just spotted it(*). Partly as an aside to the question 
>> "Will the universe keep expanding forever or reverse and end in a Big 
>> Crunch?"
>> 
>> (*) By its affects on objects and by the blocking of light from 
>> objects more distant. I think, ISTR something on the radio that dark 
>> matter is really another state of matter rather than just lots of gas 
>> and dust. Try google...
>> 
>How on earth does one look for a galaxy without a star? 

You wouldn't find it on Earth.


>The only 
>evidence of a dark galaxy must be their gravitational impact on visible 
>matter.
>
>Wow.
>
>Jp

JH wrote:


>>>
>>
>>How on earth does one look for a galaxy without a star? 
> 
> You wouldn't find it on Earth.


But the looking gets done on Earth.

Jp

>>>How on earth does one look for a galaxy without a star? 
>> 
>> You wouldn't find it on Earth.
> 
> But the looking gets done on Earth.
> 
> Jp


A duel of wits! About as rare on uklc as a starless galaxy.

Johnny-witless

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>>>How on earth does one look for a galaxy without a star? 
>>>
>>>You wouldn't find it on Earth.
>>
>>But the looking gets done on Earth.
>>
>>Jp
> 
> 
> A duel of wits! About as rare on uklc as a starless galaxy.
> 
> Johnny-witless


JH was being witty. I was being grammatically pedantic.


Jp whose emails appear to be disappearing into a Great Northern Black Hole.

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:24:25 -0400, Jpinny  wrote:


>Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
>>>>>How on earth does one look for a galaxy without a star? 
>>>>
>>>>You wouldn't find it on Earth.
>>>
>>>But the looking gets done on Earth.
>>>
>>>Jp
>> 
>> 
>> A duel of wits! About as rare on uklc as a starless galaxy.
>> 
>> Johnny-witless
>
>JH was being witty. I was being grammatically pedantic.


No change there, then...
J.

"a l l y"  wrote:


>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
>news:lr31f1hicpbcjnu1ul74vkmqja7q90cods@4ax.com...
[snip]

>> (I relented and had a look due to boredom.)
>>
>Oh dear. That sounds serious. If you're that bored, you could come and cut 
>the grass in our veg garden for us....
>

That's just it though... I _can't_ go anywhere or do anything,
but I'm feeling better in the sense that I'm more clear-headed
and have a bit more energy.

Why are you growing grass in your veg garden anyway?
Is it too cold up there to grow stuff you can eat?  ;-)


-- 
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:54:05 -0400, Jpinny wrote:


> How on earth does one look for a galaxy without a star? The only 
> evidence of a dark galaxy must be their gravitational impact on 
> visible matter.


Exactly, gravitational lensing and the fact the things orbit at speeds 
far higher than they should for the measured visible matter and 
distance.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101matter.html


> Wow.


Quite, not only is there "dark matter", possibly in 3 forms, only one 
of which is what normal people think of as matter. There is also "dark 
energy". 

http://astron.berkeley.edu/%7emwhite/darkmatter/dm.html

My brain is starting to explode, Omega must be > 1.

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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:08:23 +0100, Sleepalot wrote:


> I thought dark matter was dark because it was cold, yet it has 
> mass, and if lots of mass is brought together in one region, it
> coalesces [1] and warms up. No?


Yes but only if you get enough together. See the first link previously 
posted and Brown Dwarfs. At the other extreme you have balck holes, by 
their nature you can't see them either but you can detect the effects 
they have on nearby objects and matter.

Todays interesting fact the average density of the universe is 1 
proton per 4 cubic meters. There is an awful lot of nothing out 
there...

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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

Dave Liquorice wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:54:05 -0400, Jpinny wrote:
> 
> 
>>How on earth does one look for a galaxy without a star? The only 
>>evidence of a dark galaxy must be their gravitational impact on 
>>visible matter.
> 
> 
> Exactly, gravitational lensing and the fact the things orbit at speeds 
> far higher than they should for the measured visible matter and 
> distance.
> 
> http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101matter.html
> 
> 
>>Wow.
> 
> 
> Quite, not only is there "dark matter", possibly in 3 forms, only one 
> of which is what normal people think of as matter. There is also "dark 
> energy". 
> 
> http://astron.berkeley.edu/%7emwhite/darkmatter/dm.html
> 
> My brain is starting to explode, Omega must be > 1.
> 


I never expected to find "Exactly" and "Quite" in a reply to some 
speculative comment I made about astrophysics.

Jp (Brian turning into Supernova!)

>> My brain is starting to explode, Omega must be > 1.
> 
> I never expected to find "Exactly" and "Quite" in a reply
> to some speculative comment I made about astrophysics.
> 
> Jp (Brian turning into Supernova!)


Did you mean brain?

Johnny-pondering

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>>JH was being witty. I was being grammatically pedantic.
> 
> No change there, then...
> J.


Ho ho!

Johnny-stir-it-up


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> JH was being witty. I was being grammatically pedantic.
> 
> Jp whose emails appear to be disappearing into a Great
> Northern Black Hole. 


It's more of a Mid-Atlantic fishing net if you ask me.

Johnny-sending-out-the-very-highest-quality-emails

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>>> My brain is starting to explode, Omega must be > 1.
>>
>> I never expected to find "Exactly" and "Quite" in a reply
>> to some speculative comment I made about astrophysics.
>>
>> Jp (Brian turning into Supernova!)
>
> Did you mean brain?
>


I think I prefer Brian. There's a lot of them about West Cumbria, and the 
image of one of them going supernova is quite a nice one.

ally

PS - sorry I've missed out on this rivetting little exchange between wits 
and pedants, but we've had Edith & Orly round all evening, talking, playing 
& listening to music and discussing their reasons for taking the *very* long 
way round from the village a few miles from here where they're staying, to 
Crosby - via Keswick and Workington.... ???

I stood out in the road and pointed them in the right direction homewards, 
but they're probably halfway to Scotland by now....

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >>>

>>Oh dear. That sounds serious. If you're that bored, you could come and cut
>>the grass in our veg garden for us....
>>
> That's just it though... I _can't_ go anywhere or do anything,
> but I'm feeling better in the sense that I'm more clear-headed
> and have a bit more energy.
>

I'm glad to hear you're feeling a bit more energetic at least. I guess you'd
love to be able to cut grass, but I'm sure the time will come. What can we
do to make your time more interesting, I wonder?


> Why are you growing grass in your veg garden anyway?
> Is it too cold up there to grow stuff you can eat?  ;-)
>

Hmm. Yes. Well. Long story. As you've pointed out, a veg garden should
contain veg, but veg only gets there if you dig it and weed it and plant
seeds at the correct time of year, when we happened to be snowed under with
work. It's a bit quieter now, but it's too late to plant anything and the
grass is up to my oxters.

Maybe next year I'll just hire a wee digger and do it the easy way in early
winter.

ally

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>>My brain is starting to explode, Omega must be > 1.
>>
>>I never expected to find "Exactly" and "Quite" in a reply
>>to some speculative comment I made about astrophysics.
>>
>>Jp (Brian turning into Supernova!)
> 
> 
> Did you mean brain?
> 
> Johnny-pondering


I can give my grey matter a name if I like. Clearly, something odd is 
going on.

I don't usually win the prize for typographical errors. My favourite one 
is a letter to my British bank with my return address typed as "Untied 
States".
Jp

Jpinny wrote:

>
> I never expected to find "Exactly" and "Quite" in a reply to some
> speculative comment I made about astrophysics.
>
> Jp (Brian turning into Supernova!)


well I just had a hair cut but I don't think it had that effect!

Al




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> PS - sorry I've missed out on this rivetting little
> exchange between wits and pedants, but we've had Edith &
> Orly round all evening, talking, playing & listening to
> music and discussing their reasons for taking the *very*
> long way round from the village a few miles from here where
> they're staying, to Crosby - via Keswick and Workington....
> ??? 

> I stood out in the road and pointed them in the right
> direction homewards, but they're probably halfway to
> Scotland by now.... 


I would have thought their burro knew the way home on his own.

Johnny-puzzled

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> I can give my grey matter a name if I like. Clearly,
> something odd is going on.
 
> I don't usually win the prize for typographical errors. My
> favourite one is a letter to my British bank with my return
> address typed as "Untied States".
> Jp


It's difficult to screw up the spelling of "Canada" and have it 
look humourous. Daanca? Cadaan? Aadnac? See? just looks 
pathetic. We know a good joke when we see one though.

Why do Canadians prefer to do it doggy style?

So they can both watch the hockey game on TV!

Johnny-Canuck

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>I can give my grey matter a name if I like. Clearly,
>>something odd is going on.
> 
>  
> 
>>I don't usually win the prize for typographical errors. My
>>favourite one is a letter to my British bank with my return
>>address typed as "Untied States".
>>Jp
> 
> 
> It's difficult to screw up the spelling of "Canada" and have it 
> look humourous. Daanca? Cadaan? Aadnac? See? just looks 
> pathetic. We know a good joke when we see one though.
> 
> Why do Canadians prefer to do it doggy style?
> 
> So they can both watch the hockey game on TV!
> 
> Johnny-Canuck


That was an interesting sugue from astronomy to dirty Canuck hockey jokes.

I just checked my son's flight track from "Brussles" (the American 
Airways spelling) online and he is in Canadian airspace between 
Newfoundland and Nova Scotia.

Jp

> That was an interesting sugue from astronomy to dirty
> Canuck hockey jokes. 
> 
> I just checked my son's flight track from "Brussles" (the
> American Airways spelling) online and he is in Canadian
> airspace between Newfoundland and Nova Scotia.
> 
> Jp


Is he back so soon? He just left! Happy landings!

Johnny-seg-way

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>That was an interesting sugue from astronomy to dirty
>>Canuck hockey jokes. 
>>
>>I just checked my son's flight track from "Brussles" (the
>>American Airways spelling) online and he is in Canadian
>>airspace between Newfoundland and Nova Scotia.
>>
>>Jp
> 
> 
> Is he back so soon? He just left! Happy landings!
> 
> Johnny-seg-way
> 

He went for seven nights.

I know. Another typo.

Now he's heading for the coast of Maine, not far north of Boston, 
probably looking forward to a slice of genuine New York Pizza for lunch.

Jp

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>
>> I stood out in the road and pointed them in the right
>> direction homewards, but they're probably halfway to
>> Scotland by now....
>
> I would have thought their burro knew the way home on his own.
>

Well, it might have done, but they hired a burro at Glasgow airport this 
time.

ally

> Well, it might have done, but they hired a burro at Glasgow
> airport this time.
> 
> ally 


Obviously didn't get the GPS-equipped burro.

Johnny-knows-where-he-is

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>> Well, it might have done, but they hired a burro at Glasgow
>> airport this time.
>>
>> ally
>
> Obviously didn't get the GPS-equipped burro.


That wouldn't help. They'd read it upside down and probably feed it on the 
wrong sort of oats while they were at it.


>
> Johnny-knows-where-he-is


I'm glad somebody does.

ally

a l l y wrote:

> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
> news:42f25469$1_2@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> 
>>>Well, it might have done, but they hired a burro at Glasgow
>>>airport this time.
>>>
>>>ally
>>
>>Obviously didn't get the GPS-equipped burro.
> 
> 
> That wouldn't help. They'd read it upside down and probably feed it on the 
> wrong sort of oats while they were at it.
> 
> 
>>Johnny-knows-where-he-is
> 
> 
> I'm glad somebody does.
> 
> ally


Oh, well, as long as somebody got their oats.

Jp

JH wrote:


>>
>>JH was being witty. I was being grammatically pedantic.
> 
> 
> No change there, then...
> J.


Obviously.....

Jp

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote:


>On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:08:23 +0100, Sleepalot wrote:
>
>> I thought dark matter was dark because it was cold, yet it has 
>> mass, and if lots of mass is brought together in one region, it
>> coalesces [1] and warms up. No?
>
>Yes but only if you get enough together. 


Fair point.


>See the first link previously 
>posted and Brown Dwarfs. At the other extreme you have balck holes, by 
>their nature you can't see them either but you can detect the effects 
>they have on nearby objects and matter.


I suppose that if you've got a galaxy of the stuff, it's going to have
substantial gravity even if the contents are quite diffuse.


>Todays interesting fact the average density of the universe is 1 
>proton per 4 cubic meters. There is an awful lot of nothing out 
>there...


Indeed. I once calculated that if we could travel at the speed
of a comet, it would take about 76,000 years to get to the next star.
 
Thanks for your replies.

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"a l l y"  wrote:

[snip]

> What can we
>do to make your time more interesting, I wonder?


Actually, I'd quite like someone to try and persuade 
me that mankind has caused global warming, and
that that's a bad thing, but I'd understand if nobody 
wanted to. 


>> Why are you growing grass in your veg garden anyway?
>> Is it too cold up there to grow stuff you can eat?  ;-)
>>
>Hmm. Yes. Well. Long story. As you've pointed out, a veg garden should
>contain veg, but veg only gets there if you dig it and weed it and plant
>seeds at the correct time of year, when we happened to be snowed under with
>work. It's a bit quieter now, but it's too late to plant anything and the
>grass is up to my oxters.
>
>Maybe next year I'll just hire a wee digger and do it the easy way in early
>winter.


The lazy way is to cover the plot with black polythene.
It's slow, and not very pretty, and you'll still have to dig 
it before planting, and you'll get loads of slugs...
Otoh, you can plant through it and you won't have any
 weeding to do while your crops are growing. 


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"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> What can we
>>do to make your time more interesting, I wonder?
>
> Actually, I'd quite like someone to try and persuade
> me that mankind has caused global warming, and
> that that's a bad thing, but I'd understand if nobody
> wanted to.


If I had as much time on my hands as you have, I'd be delighted to take up 
this challenge. However, I have work to do... It's true though - it is all 
our fault.


>
> The lazy way is to cover the plot with black polythene.
> It's slow, and not very pretty, and you'll still have to dig
> it before planting, and you'll get loads of slugs...
> Otoh, you can plant through it and you won't have any
> weeding to do while your crops are growing.
>

Have you any idea how BIG our veg garden is? It'd cost a fortune to cover it 
with black polythene. And we've already got West Cumbria's biggest and best 
slug farm: if they breed any more vigorously it won't be grass covering the 
garden - it'll be wall-to-wall sluggery.

I do like the idea of having no weeding to do, though. When we do plant 
stuff, it's never as good as it should be 'cause we're too busy to spend 
every afternoon hoeing.

ally-should-be-working

>> Johnny-knows-where-he-is
> 
> I'm glad somebody does.
> 
> ally


I got my coordinates from Google Earth.

Johnny-hi-res-from-space

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>>> Johnny-knows-where-he-is
>>
>> I'm glad somebody does.
>>
>> ally
>
> I got my coordinates from Google Earth.
>


I got mine from heavens-above.com. I'm amazed that a site like that lists 
tiny villages like ours, but it does.

I love Google Earth, though. Mmmm....

ally

> I got mine from heavens-above.com. I'm amazed that a site
> like that lists tiny villages like ours, but it does.
> 
> I love Google Earth, though. Mmmm....
> 
> ally 


I'll try the email function of Google Earth (which I have not 
used before) to send you my coordinates. My house looks like a 
fuzzy rectangle but one end is fuzzy white. That's the sunroon 
we added 18 months ago. I thought that it was neat you could see 
it.

Johnny-Google

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"a l l y"  wrote:


>
>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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>> "a l l y"  wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> What can we
>>>do to make your time more interesting, I wonder?
>>
>> Actually, I'd quite like someone to try and persuade
>> me that mankind has caused global warming, and
>> that that's a bad thing, but I'd understand if nobody
>> wanted to.
>
>If I had as much time on my hands as you have, I'd be delighted to take up 
>this challenge. However, I have work to do... It's true though - it is all 
>our fault.


I'm not inclined to just take your word for it.  ;)


>> The lazy way is to cover the plot with black polythene.
[snip]

>Have you any idea how BIG our veg garden is?


Showoff!  ;^P

[snip]


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"Sleepalot"  wrote in message >>

>>If I had as much time on my hands as you have, I'd be delighted to take up
>>this challenge. However, I have work to do... It's true though - it is all
>>our fault.
>
> I'm not inclined to just take your word for it.  ;)
>

I'm delighted to hear it. It would be terrible to go around believing 
everything I say, even on those occasions when I know I'm right.




>
>>Have you any idea how BIG our veg garden is?
>
> Showoff!  ;^P
>

It's a bit of a mixed blessing. Lovely to have so much space, but it means 
there's potentially an awful lot more work involved in using it properly. 
The previous owners were retired and had more time, and grew great crops. I 
guess if we managed our time more efficiently (which we have no intention of 
doing - why d'you think we left the city?) we could turn it into a 
money-making concern and grow nice organic veg to sell in local shops.

However, even with the weeds, we have fruit trees, rhubarb, wild roses, 
brambles (they'll be ripe soon - mmm), a nice drying green and loads of 
space for the dogs to run around, so it's not exactly wasted.

Maybe next year.

ally

a l l y wrote:


> 
> It's a bit of a mixed blessing. Lovely to have so much space, but it means 
> there's potentially an awful lot more work involved in using it properly. 
> The previous owners were retired and had more time, and grew great crops. I 
> guess if we managed our time more efficiently (which we have no intention of 
> doing - why d'you think we left the city?) we could turn it into a 
> money-making concern and grow nice organic veg to sell in local shops.
> 
> However, even with the weeds, we have fruit trees, rhubarb, wild roses, 
> brambles (they'll be ripe soon - mmm), a nice drying green and loads of 
> space for the dogs to run around, so it's not exactly wasted.
> 
> Maybe next year.
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Bramble time means it's nearly my son's birthday. I took him for his 
first walk with his big sister, to pick wild brambles, which his grandma 
turned into a pie.

After his birthday, the strength starts to go out of the summer heat, 
and the nights start to draw in a little, and you can smell the 
crispness of Autumn in the air.

I keep a herb garden, but my next door neighbour grows tomatoes in her 
garden, and zucchini (courgettes) and butternut squash, which is like 
yellow courgettes and rather nice. In the next backyard down is an apple 
tree, which is bearing loads of fruit at the moment, ready for the local 
kids to get their windfalls. There is also a peach tree in another 
garden but I don't know if the fruit's any good. Earlier in the season, 
next to the soccer pitch where my son practices the mulberry bushes were 
full of gorgeously sweet and yummy fruits.

I'm off to guzzle some big, fat, sweet blueberries. They cure anything, 
apparently.

Jp

"a l l y"  wrote:


>
>"Sleepalot"  wrote in message 
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>> "a l l y"  wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> What can we
>>>do to make your time more interesting, I wonder?
>>
>> Actually, I'd quite like someone to try and persuade
>> me that mankind has caused global warming, and
>> that that's a bad thing, but I'd understand if nobody
>> wanted to.
>
>If I had as much time on my hands as you have, I'd be delighted to take up 
>this challenge. However, I have work to do... It's true though - it is all 
>our fault.
>


I can't help but keep thinking about all those other times
the Earth has warmed up. You know,... the other times?


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Sleepalot wrote:

> "a l l y"  wrote:
>
>>
>> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message
>> news:cde5f15r5vrtaob1jp1mb81fin5nsh9ihq@4ax.com...
>>> "a l l y"  wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>> What can we
>>>> do to make your time more interesting, I wonder?
>>>
>>> Actually, I'd quite like someone to try and persuade
>>> me that mankind has caused global warming, and
>>> that that's a bad thing, but I'd understand if nobody
>>> wanted to.
>>
>> If I had as much time on my hands as you have, I'd be delighted to
>> take up this challenge. However, I have work to do... It's true
>> though - it is all our fault.
>>
>
> I can't help but keep thinking about all those other times
> the Earth has warmed up. You know,... the other times?


ah but that was the aliens, they heated the place up then died off when it
got out of hand and decomposed into the oil we're burning now.

Al



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"Alfred Packer"  wrote:


>Sleepalot wrote:
>> "a l l y"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Sleepalot"  wrote in message
>>> news:cde5f15r5vrtaob1jp1mb81fin5nsh9ihq@4ax.com...
[snip]
>> I can't help but keep thinking about all those other times
>> the Earth has warmed up. You know,... the other times?
>
>ah but that was the aliens, they heated the place up then died off when it
>got out of hand and decomposed into the oil we're burning now.
>
>Al
>

Heh, that's kind of ironic isn't it? The aliens supplying us with the
means to keep the planet warm enough to stop them coming back.
;-)


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> > "a l l y"  wrote:
> >>> [snip]
> >>>> What can we
> >>>> do to make your time more interesting, I wonder?


Send him some porno pamphlets? There's this place over the border in Sweden
called The Old Hen, Agda" or summet. They say it's hot in there. We could
all chip in and send him there? btw-who? I didn't receive the posting before
this, Ally.

> >>>
> >>> Actually, I'd quite like someone to try and persuade
> >>> me that mankind has caused global warming, and
> >>> that that's a bad thing, but I'd understand if nobody
> >>> wanted to.


I'll do it. Wham! We caused global warming. Are you persuaded now?

> >>
> >> If I had as much time on my hands as you have, I'd be delighted to
> >> take up this challenge. However, I have work to do... It's true
> >> though - it is all our fault.
> >
> > I can't help but keep thinking about all those other times
> > the Earth has warmed up. You know,... the other times?


Could have been the rabit population in Australia???

>
> ah but that was the aliens, they heated the place up then died off when it
> got out of hand and decomposed into the oil we're burning now.
>
> Al


Aliens you say, Al. Yes. It could have been our ancestors, dam em.

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote:

[snip - Sleepy wrote:]

>> > I can't help but keep thinking about all those other times
>> > the Earth has warmed up. You know,... the other times?
>
>Could have been the rabit population in Australia???


Rabbits? Yes dear. Now don't you worry about the rabbits,
come on, into bed with you, and nurse will be along in a
minute with your medication. Alright? Nurse will make
all the naughty rabbits go away. Ok?



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Sleepalot wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote:
>
> [snip - Sleepy wrote:]
>>>> I can't help but keep thinking about all those other times
>>>> the Earth has warmed up. You know,... the other times?
>>
>> Could have been the rabit population in Australia???
>
> Rabbits? Yes dear. Now don't you worry about the rabbits,
> come on, into bed with you, and nurse will be along in a
> minute with your medication. Alright? Nurse will make
> all the naughty rabbits go away. Ok?


Norway's answer to Grace Slick?

Al




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"Alfred Packer"  wrote:


>Sleepalot wrote:
>> "The Traveller"  wrote:
>>
>> [snip - Sleepy wrote:]
>>>>> I can't help but keep thinking about all those other times
>>>>> the Earth has warmed up. You know,... the other times?
>>>
>>> Could have been the rabit population in Australia???
>>
>> Rabbits? Yes dear. Now don't you worry about the rabbits,
>> come on, into bed with you, and nurse will be along in a
>> minute with your medication. Alright? Nurse will make
>> all the naughty rabbits go away. Ok?
>
>Norway's answer to Grace Slick?
>
>Al


Who?

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"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
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> Sleepalot wrote:
> > "The Traveller"  wrote:
> >
> > [snip - Sleepy wrote:]
> >>>> I can't help but keep thinking about all those other times
> >>>> the Earth has warmed up. You know,... the other times?
> >>
> >> Could have been the rabit population in Australia???
> >
> > Rabbits? Yes dear. Now don't you worry about the rabbits,
> > come on, into bed with you, and nurse will be along in a
> > minute with your medication. Alright? Nurse will make
> > all the naughty rabbits go away. Ok?
>
> Norway's answer to Grace Slick?
>
> Al


Well, you've got rare-bits and rabbits. The rabbits are in Aussie and the
rabbits aren't here :0)

Eduth.

"Sleepalot"  wrote in message
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> "The Traveller"  wrote:
>
> [snip - Sleepy wrote:]
> >> > I can't help but keep thinking about all those other times
> >> > the Earth has warmed up. You know,... the other times?
> >
> >Could have been the rabit population in Australia???
>
> Rabbits? Yes dear. Now don't you worry about the rabbits,
> come on, into bed with you, and nurse will be along in a
> minute with your medication. Alright? Nurse will make
> all the naughty rabbits go away. Ok?
 > --
> Sleepalot   aa #1385
>

Yes. Please do, nurse. All two of them, please.

Edith.