Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen- thought 
nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge and a 6 
inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.

I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers crack 
repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs cracks like 
this one

http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html

I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer crack 
repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the repair 
kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?

Mine is completely hairline, cannot even get the edge of a blue fag paper in 
it, so will need to be spread to get the resin in. Logic says that the more 
you spread it, the more the end of the crack will run away further into the 
screen, I cant see how it can be done, anyone on the group had success with 
crack repair like this?

So far the crack only extends 35mm into the swept area, and the MOT fails at 
40mm so I really dont want to mess with it and cause a fail.

Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen companies? I just 
phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all in, 
anyone know of better?

Thanks a lot

Ad

"Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message
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> Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen- thought
> nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge and a 6
> inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.
>
> I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers crack
> repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs cracks like
> this one
>
> http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html
>
> I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer crack
> repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the repair
> kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?
>
> Mine is completely hairline, cannot even get the edge of a blue fag paper
in
> it, so will need to be spread to get the resin in. Logic says that the
more
> you spread it, the more the end of the crack will run away further into
the
> screen, I cant see how it can be done, anyone on the group had success
with
> crack repair like this?
>
> So far the crack only extends 35mm into the swept area, and the MOT fails
at
> 40mm so I really dont want to mess with it and cause a fail.
>
> Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen companies? I
just
> phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
> all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all in,
> anyone know of better?


I had my stone chip done for free and the Autowindscreen guy says that
basically all they can do is put a glue in the crack / chip to stop it
spreading but it has no guarantee. Especially once the freezing weather sets
in.

The only reason I got it done was because the chip kept catching my
attention. After I had it done, the chip looked double the size!!  I ended
up just getting the window replaced.

"Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message 
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>
> Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen companies? I just 
> phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
> all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all in, anyone 
> know of better?
>
>


Don't you have windscreen cover on your insurance? It's normally a 50-75 excess 
and won't be classed as a claim.

I think it works a bit like this

    A chip can (sometimes) be repaired before it develops into a crack

    A crack, once formed, will quickly spread no matter what you do with it

I'm not sure where your tax disc is but maybe, just maybe, its within the 
limits for an MOT (some damage is acceptable if it does not obscure the 
drivers vision) - might be worth looking at what the AA, RAC or DVLA web 
sites say - I'm sure I've seen a little diagram somewhere that illustrates 
whats what ..

or have a look at this http://www.motuk.com/mot_manual/6-1.asp - found by 
typing MOT Windscreen damage into yahoo


"Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message 
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> Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen- thought 
> nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge and a 6 
> inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.
>
> I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers crack 
> repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs cracks like 
> this one
>
> http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html
>
> I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer crack 
> repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the repair 
> kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?
>
> Mine is completely hairline, cannot even get the edge of a blue fag paper 
> in it, so will need to be spread to get the resin in. Logic says that the 
> more you spread it, the more the end of the crack will run away further 
> into the screen, I cant see how it can be done, anyone on the group had 
> success with crack repair like this?
>
> So far the crack only extends 35mm into the swept area, and the MOT fails 
> at 40mm so I really dont want to mess with it and cause a fail.
>
> Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen companies? I 
> just phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
> all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all in, 
> anyone know of better?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Ad
> 

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:49:05 GMT, "Mad Ad"
<@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote:


>Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen- thought 
>nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge and a 6 
>inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.
>
>I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers crack 
>repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs cracks like 
>this one
>
>http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html
>
>I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer crack 
>repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the repair 
>kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?



If you have normal fully comp insurance, the likes of Autoglass will
repair it free or replace it for 50.
-- 
R
o
o
n
e
y

"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

first up, is it within the swept area of the wiper blades?
if not then don't worry

"Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message 
news:BUBGe.5602$hc4.3015@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...

> Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen- thought 
> nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge and a 6 
> inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.
>
> I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers crack 
> repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs cracks like 
> this one
>
> http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html
>
> I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer crack 
> repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the repair 
> kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?
>
> Mine is completely hairline, cannot even get the edge of a blue fag paper 
> in it, so will need to be spread to get the resin in. Logic says that the 
> more you spread it, the more the end of the crack will run away further 
> into the screen, I cant see how it can be done, anyone on the group had 
> success with crack repair like this?
>
> So far the crack only extends 35mm into the swept area, and the MOT fails 
> at 40mm so I really dont want to mess with it and cause a fail.
>
> Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen companies? I 
> just phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
> all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all in, 
> anyone know of better?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Ad
> 

Thanks for the replies all - yes it does encroach into the swept area, only 
by 30mm or so, so far, as far as the regs say that's within the 40mm 
acceptable - as long as it doesn't get bigger by next week.

If it does spread, I did think of getting a shorter wiper blade for the 
passenger side, that way it'll only be 15mm or so into the swept area.

No I don't have FC insurance, usually don't have the need for it on a 10yo 
car.  I'm going to have to replace it sooner or later, just would prefer to 
sort it out after the MOT as I don't know what other expense that's going to 
show up.

So I guess no-one has any experience of actual crack repair? I still think 
its just going to make it run further as soon as I try to spread it.

Ad



" dojj"  wrote in message 
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> first up, is it within the swept area of the wiper blades?
> if not then don't worry
>
> "Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message 
> news:BUBGe.5602$hc4.3015@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen- thought 
>> nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge and a 6 
>> inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.
>>
>> I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers crack 
>> repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs cracks 
>> like this one
>>
>> http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html
>>
>> I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer crack 
>> repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the repair 
>> kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?
>>
>> Mine is completely hairline, cannot even get the edge of a blue fag paper 
>> in it, so will need to be spread to get the resin in. Logic says that the 
>> more you spread it, the more the end of the crack will run away further 
>> into the screen, I cant see how it can be done, anyone on the group had 
>> success with crack repair like this?
>>
>> So far the crack only extends 35mm into the swept area, and the MOT fails 
>> at 40mm so I really dont want to mess with it and cause a fail.
>>
>> Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen companies? I 
>> just phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
>> all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all in, 
>> anyone know of better?
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>>
>> Ad
>>
>
> 

"Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message 
news:g48He.19477$bT4.14977@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...

> Thanks for the replies all - yes it does encroach into the swept area, 
> only by 30mm or so, so far, as far as the regs say that's within the 40mm 
> acceptable - as long as it doesn't get bigger by next week.
>
> If it does spread, I did think of getting a shorter wiper blade for the 
> passenger side, that way it'll only be 15mm or so into the swept area.
>
> No I don't have FC insurance, usually don't have the need for it on a 10yo 
> car.  I'm going to have to replace it sooner or later, just would prefer 
> to sort it out after the MOT as I don't know what other expense that's 
> going to show up.
>
> So I guess no-one has any experience of actual crack repair? I still think 
> its just going to make it run further as soon as I try to spread it.
>
> Ad
>

glue
it should stop the crack from getting bigger BUT be aware that as soon as 
you start driving the actual shack of the chassis can spread the crak in 
seconds
avoid speed humps at the very least


>
>
> " dojj"  wrote in message 
> news:dcfok4$29g$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> first up, is it within the swept area of the wiper blades?
>> if not then don't worry
>>
>> "Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message 
>> news:BUBGe.5602$hc4.3015@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>> Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen- thought 
>>> nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge and a 
>>> 6 inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.
>>>
>>> I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers crack 
>>> repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs cracks 
>>> like this one
>>>
>>> http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html
>>>
>>> I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer crack 
>>> repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the 
>>> repair kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?
>>>
>>> Mine is completely hairline, cannot even get the edge of a blue fag 
>>> paper in it, so will need to be spread to get the resin in. Logic says 
>>> that the more you spread it, the more the end of the crack will run away 
>>> further into the screen, I cant see how it can be done, anyone on the 
>>> group had success with crack repair like this?
>>>
>>> So far the crack only extends 35mm into the swept area, and the MOT 
>>> fails at 40mm so I really dont want to mess with it and cause a fail.
>>>
>>> Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen companies? I 
>>> just phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
>>> all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all in, 
>>> anyone know of better?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot
>>>
>>> Ad
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

"Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message
news:BUBGe.5602$hc4.3015@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...

> Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen-
thought
> nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge
and a 6
> inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.
>
> I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers
crack
> repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs
cracks like
> this one
>
> http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html
>
> I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer
crack
> repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the
repair
> kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?
>
> Mine is completely hairline, cannot even get the edge of a blue fag
paper in
> it, so will need to be spread to get the resin in. Logic says that
the more
> you spread it, the more the end of the crack will run away further
into the
> screen, I cant see how it can be done, anyone on the group had
success with
> crack repair like this?
>
> So far the crack only extends 35mm into the swept area, and the MOT
fails at
> 40mm so I really dont want to mess with it and cause a fail.
>
> Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen

companies? I just

> phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
> all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all
in,
> anyone know of better?


If the windscreen is not bonded (i.e. just uses an old style rubber
seal) you could probably get another windscreen from a breakers and
fit it yourself (It's not that hard in my (limited) experience). I
think I paid 15 for one from a fiat uno. I've never DIYed a bonded
screen though. I think you need some sort of  hot knife tool just to
get the old one out.

Jim

"Jim Ingram"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message
> news:BUBGe.5602$hc4.3015@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen-
> thought
>> nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge
> and a 6
>> inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.
>>
>> I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers
> crack
>> repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs
> cracks like
>> this one
>>
>> http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html
>>
>> I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer
> crack
>> repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the
> repair
>> kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?
>>
>> Mine is completely hairline, cannot even get the edge of a blue fag
> paper in
>> it, so will need to be spread to get the resin in. Logic says that
> the more
>> you spread it, the more the end of the crack will run away further
> into the
>> screen, I cant see how it can be done, anyone on the group had
> success with
>> crack repair like this?
>>
>> So far the crack only extends 35mm into the swept area, and the MOT
> fails at
>> 40mm so I really dont want to mess with it and cause a fail.
>>
>> Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen
> companies? I just
>> phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
>> all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all
> in,
>> anyone know of better?
>
> If the windscreen is not bonded (i.e. just uses an old style rubber
> seal) you could probably get another windscreen from a breakers and
> fit it yourself (It's not that hard in my (limited) experience). I
> think I paid 15 for one from a fiat uno. I've never DIYed a bonded
> screen though. I think you need some sort of  hot knife tool just to
> get the old one out.
>
> Jim
>
>


Thanks for the reply Jim, unfortunately yes its bonded.  Workshop manual 
goes on about hot knives or cheese wire type of arrangements to remove it

Ad

"Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message 
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>
> "Jim Ingram"  wrote in message 
> news:newscache$kiijki$0j9$1@cache4.lsbu.ac.uk...
>>
>> "Mad Ad" <@.....madmail(at)ntlworld(dot)com.....@> wrote in message
>> news:BUBGe.5602$hc4.3015@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>> Coming back from brum yesterday I heard a plink on my screen-
>> thought
>>> nothing of it till daylight and its left a bullseye near the edge
>> and a 6
>>> inch L shaped crack above my tax disk, MOT is next week, typical.
>>>
>>> I've been googling through windscreen companies but no one offers
>> crack
>>> repair, yet there's kits being offered that supposedly repairs
>> cracks like
>>> this one
>>>
>>> http://motonetic.com/crackattack/how2.html
>>>
>>> I'm really suspicious why none of the windscreen companies offer
>> crack
>>> repair, only stone chip.  If cracks can be repaired as easy as the
>> repair
>>> kit company says, why dont professional companies offer it?
>>>
>>> Mine is completely hairline, cannot even get the edge of a blue fag
>> paper in
>>> it, so will need to be spread to get the resin in. Logic says that
>> the more
>>> you spread it, the more the end of the crack will run away further
>> into the
>>> screen, I cant see how it can be done, anyone on the group had
>> success with
>>> crack repair like this?
>>>
>>> So far the crack only extends 35mm into the swept area, and the MOT
>> fails at
>>> 40mm so I really dont want to mess with it and cause a fail.
>>>
>>> Other than that, anyone got any good ideas on cheap screen
>> companies? I just
>>> phoned around and autoglass just quoted me 284 cheapest
>>> all in, National Windscreens 182 all in, Autoglazing co uk 153 all
>> in,
>>> anyone know of better?
>>
>> If the windscreen is not bonded (i.e. just uses an old style rubber
>> seal) you could probably get another windscreen from a breakers and
>> fit it yourself (It's not that hard in my (limited) experience). I
>> think I paid 15 for one from a fiat uno. I've never DIYed a bonded
>> screen though. I think you need some sort of  hot knife tool just to
>> get the old one out.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>
> Thanks for the reply Jim, unfortunately yes its bonded.  Workshop manual goes 
> on about hot knives or cheese wire type of arrangements to remove it
>
>


Bonded screens are a right pain to change and tend to be more stressed than the 
old style so the crack is more likely to spread.