Just been told by my father that his Rover 623 GSi auto has the ABS 
light permanently on, he's had it checked out at a Rover dealer and 
they reckon something internal in the ABS control box (?) is causing 
it. They quoted over 1,000 to get the part and fit it...

He's concerned at both the price and, given the age (of the car), 
whether he should bother. If it can be done more "cost-effectively" it 
might be viable. I should add that the MoT expires 2nd August and the 
road tax needs renewing.

Have had a bit of a google and come up with nothing, someone suggested  
to him a Honda part might be OK but can't find one for him so the 
problem has been passed on to me.

Would appreciate any sensible suggestions.
-- 
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

"Mr Guest"  wrote in message
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> Just been told by my father that his Rover 623 GSi auto has the ABS
> light permanently on, he's had it checked out at a Rover dealer and
> they reckon something internal in the ABS control box (?) is causing
> it. They quoted over 1,000 to get the part and fit it...
>
> He's concerned at both the price and, given the age (of the car),
> whether he should bother. If it can be done more "cost-effectively" it
> might be viable. I should add that the MoT expires 2nd August and the
> road tax needs renewing.


How competent is the Rover dealer?
AFAIK a failed wheel sensor can cause the ABS check light to be permanently
on, which to replace might cost less than 100.
Easy enough to check if you have a DVM.
I'd certainly want to know what and how the garage checked the system before
believing their diagnosis.
Mike.

Mike G wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27 Jul
2005 21:31:36: 


> How competent is the Rover dealer?
> AFAIK a failed wheel sensor can cause the ABS check light to be
> permanently on, which to replace might cost less than 100.
> Easy enough to check if you have a DVM.
> I'd certainly want to know what and how the garage checked the
> system before believing their diagnosis.
> Mike.
> 

Will try that on Friday evening, just looking for the meter now. Think 
I read somewhere it should be AC, 0.7-1.0V when spinning by hand. The 
five minute check they carried out while he waited took nearly two 
hours so not too sure they're "with it".

Will pass on in case the little garage round the corner from him can 
try tomorrow to see what they get.

Thanks,
-- 
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

"Mr Guest"  wrote in message
news:Xns96A0DE9829F08mrguest@130.133.1.4...

> Mike G wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27 Jul
> 2005 21:31:36:
>
> > How competent is the Rover dealer?
> > AFAIK a failed wheel sensor can cause the ABS check light to be
> > permanently on, which to replace might cost less than 100.
> > Easy enough to check if you have a DVM.
> > I'd certainly want to know what and how the garage checked the
> > system before believing their diagnosis.
> > Mike.
> >
> Will try that on Friday evening, just looking for the meter now. Think
> I read somewhere it should be AC, 0.7-1.0V when spinning by hand. The
> five minute check they carried out while he waited took nearly two
> hours so not too sure they're "with it".
>
> Will pass on in case the little garage round the corner from him can
> try tomorrow to see what they get.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> MrGuest
> Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere


we had a similar problem with a rover, turned out to be the abs control unit
about 800.00 to put right the car wasn't financially viable so it went to
the great scrap yard in the sky, now we are an independent garage with a
snap on scanner that found the fault, it didn't diagnose a wheel sensor
which normally is a common fault ( offside front)  un-like the rover garage
that has the up to date equipment, so I wouldn't really dismiss their
diagnosis.

if you want it doing you might be able to find a refurbed unit try your
local motor factor.

reg wrote:

> "Mr Guest"  wrote in message
> news:Xns96A0DE9829F08mrguest@130.133.1.4...
>> Mike G wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27 Jul
>> 2005 21:31:36:
>>
>>> How competent is the Rover dealer?
>>> AFAIK a failed wheel sensor can cause the ABS check light to be
>>> permanently on, which to replace might cost less than 100.
>>> Easy enough to check if you have a DVM.
>>> I'd certainly want to know what and how the garage checked the
>>> system before believing their diagnosis.
>>> Mike.
>>>
>> Will try that on Friday evening, just looking for the meter now.
>> Think I read somewhere it should be AC, 0.7-1.0V when spinning by
>> hand. The five minute check they carried out while he waited took
>> nearly two hours so not too sure they're "with it".
>>
>> Will pass on in case the little garage round the corner from him can
>> try tomorrow to see what they get.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> MrGuest
>> Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere
>
> we had a similar problem with a rover, turned out to be the abs
> control unit about 800.00 to put right the car wasn't financially
> viable so it went to the great scrap yard in the sky, now we are an
> independent garage with a snap on scanner that found the fault, it
> didn't diagnose a wheel sensor which normally is a common fault (
> offside front)  un-like the rover garage that has the up to date
> equipment, so I wouldn't really dismiss their diagnosis.
>
> if you want it doing you might be able to find a refurbed unit try
> your local motor factor.


Given the amount of self checking and safety interlocks on these things, is 
there any reason not to just get one from a scrappy?

PC Paul wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27 Jul
2005 22:25:03: 


> reg wrote:
>> "Mr Guest"  wrote in message
>> news:Xns96A0DE9829F08mrguest@130.133.1.4...
>>> Mike G wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27
>>> Jul 2005 21:31:36:
>>>
>>>[ABS light on...]
>>>
>> we had a similar problem with a rover, turned out to be the abs
>> control unit about 800.00 to put right the car wasn't
>> financially viable so it went to the great scrap yard in the
>> sky, now we are an independent garage with a snap on scanner
>> that found the fault, it didn't diagnose a wheel sensor which
>> normally is a common fault ( offside front)  un-like the rover
>> garage that has the up to date equipment, so I wouldn't really
>> dismiss their diagnosis. 
>>
>> if you want it doing you might be able to find a refurbed unit
>> try your local motor factor.
> 
> Given the amount of self checking and safety interlocks on these
> things, is there any reason not to just get one from a scrappy?
> 

Thanks both for your comments, will try and find the scrappy's number 
at work tomorrow and see what they have. The car's only done 44,000 
miles but hasn't been used properly for five months due to illness. 
Would anything have seized in that time?

I have yet to go and look for myself - I may take the opportunity to 
lightly tap likely looking parts with a medium-sized mallet and see 
what happens. That's one of our fault-finding techniques for work 
which some customers go off and try (whilst we send off a warranty 
replacement request), it makes them feel a lot better for some 
reason...
-- 
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

"PC Paul"  wrote in message
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> reg wrote:
> > "Mr Guest"  wrote in message
> > news:Xns96A0DE9829F08mrguest@130.133.1.4...
> >> Mike G wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27 Jul
> >> 2005 21:31:36:
> >>
> >>> How competent is the Rover dealer?
> >>> AFAIK a failed wheel sensor can cause the ABS check light to be
> >>> permanently on, which to replace might cost less than 100.
> >>> Easy enough to check if you have a DVM.
> >>> I'd certainly want to know what and how the garage checked the
> >>> system before believing their diagnosis.
> >>> Mike.
> >>>
> >> Will try that on Friday evening, just looking for the meter now.
> >> Think I read somewhere it should be AC, 0.7-1.0V when spinning by
> >> hand. The five minute check they carried out while he waited took
> >> nearly two hours so not too sure they're "with it".
> >>
> >> Will pass on in case the little garage round the corner from him can
> >> try tomorrow to see what they get.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> --
> >> MrGuest
> >> Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere
> >
> > we had a similar problem with a rover, turned out to be the abs
> > control unit about 800.00 to put right the car wasn't financially
> > viable so it went to the great scrap yard in the sky, now we are an
> > independent garage with a snap on scanner that found the fault, it
> > didn't diagnose a wheel sensor which normally is a common fault (
> > offside front)  un-like the rover garage that has the up to date
> > equipment, so I wouldn't really dismiss their diagnosis.
> >
> > if you want it doing you might be able to find a refurbed unit try
> > your local motor factor.
>
> Given the amount of self checking and safety interlocks on these things,
is
> there any reason not to just get one from a scrappy?
>


personally myself id never buy anything brake related from a scarp, others
may disagree but that's my own personal preference.

"Mr Guest"  wrote in message
news:Xns96A0E5766182Amrguest@130.133.1.4...

> PC Paul wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27 Jul
> 2005 22:25:03:
>
> > reg wrote:
> >> "Mr Guest"  wrote in message
> >> news:Xns96A0DE9829F08mrguest@130.133.1.4...
> >>> Mike G wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27
> >>> Jul 2005 21:31:36:
> >>>
> >>>[ABS light on...]
> >>>
> >> we had a similar problem with a rover, turned out to be the abs
> >> control unit about 800.00 to put right the car wasn't
> >> financially viable so it went to the great scrap yard in the
> >> sky, now we are an independent garage with a snap on scanner
> >> that found the fault, it didn't diagnose a wheel sensor which
> >> normally is a common fault ( offside front)  un-like the rover
> >> garage that has the up to date equipment, so I wouldn't really
> >> dismiss their diagnosis.
> >>
> >> if you want it doing you might be able to find a refurbed unit
> >> try your local motor factor.
> >
> > Given the amount of self checking and safety interlocks on these
> > things, is there any reason not to just get one from a scrappy?

>I may take the opportunity to
> lightly tap likely looking parts with a medium-sized mallet and see
> what happens. That's one of our fault-finding techniques for work
> which some customers go off and try (whilst we send off a warranty
> replacement request), it makes them feel a lot better for some
> reason...
> --
> MrGuest
> Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere


lol @ Mr Guest

"Mr Guest"  wrote in message 
news:Xns96A0E5766182Amrguest@130.133.1.4...

> PC Paul wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27 Jul
> 2005 22:25:03:
>
>> reg wrote:
>>> "Mr Guest"  wrote in message
>>> news:Xns96A0DE9829F08mrguest@130.133.1.4...
>>>> Mike G wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Wed 27
>>>> Jul 2005 21:31:36:
>>>>
>>>>[ABS light on...]
>>>>
>>> we had a similar problem with a rover, turned out to be the abs
>>> control unit about 800.00 to put right the car wasn't
>>> financially viable so it went to the great scrap yard in the
>>> sky, now we are an independent garage with a snap on scanner
>>> that found the fault, it didn't diagnose a wheel sensor which
>>> normally is a common fault ( offside front)  un-like the rover
>>> garage that has the up to date equipment, so I wouldn't really
>>> dismiss their diagnosis.
>>>
>>> if you want it doing you might be able to find a refurbed unit
>>> try your local motor factor.
>>
>> Given the amount of self checking and safety interlocks on these
>> things, is there any reason not to just get one from a scrappy?
>>
> Thanks both for your comments, will try and find the scrappy's number
> at work tomorrow and see what they have. The car's only done 44,000
> miles but hasn't been used properly for five months due to illness.
> Would anything have seized in that time?
>
> I have yet to go and look for myself - I may take the opportunity to
> lightly tap likely looking parts with a medium-sized mallet and see
> what happens. That's one of our fault-finding techniques for work
> which some customers go off and try (whilst we send off a warranty
> replacement request), it makes them feel a lot better for some
> reason...
> -- 
> MrGuest
> Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere


First thing id check would be each wheel sensor resistance, light on 
sometimes means open circuit on one corner but i would have thought the 
garage would spot that easily enough.

However the 620ti has a diagnostic socket for abs related faults, a paper 
clip would do the job there and read the flashes, look up the fault.... any 
more questions, try on rovertech, they have a bunch of 620 people over 
there.

http://www.rovertech.net/forum/index.php

Ad

Mad Ad wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.cars.maintenance on Thu 28 Jul
2005 03:37:58: 


> "Mr Guest"  wrote in message 
> news:Xns96A0E5766182Amrguest@130.133.1.4...
>>
>> 
>>
>> I have yet to go and look for myself - I may take the
>> opportunity to lightly tap likely looking parts with a
>> medium-sized mallet and see what happens. That's one of our
>> fault-finding techniques for work which some customers go off
>> and try (whilst we send off a warranty replacement request), it
>> makes them feel a lot better for some reason...
>> -- 
>> MrGuest
>> Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere
> 
> First thing id check would be each wheel sensor resistance, light
> on sometimes means open circuit on one corner but i would have
> thought the garage would spot that easily enough.
> 
> However the 620ti has a diagnostic socket for abs related faults,
> a paper clip would do the job there and read the flashes, look up
> the fault.... any more questions, try on rovertech, they have a
> bunch of 620 people over there.
> 
> http://www.rovertech.net/forum/index.php
> 
> Ad 
> 

I've signed up and found a lot of useful info there, thanks for the 
link. If it wasn't hurling it down with rain I would be jamming paper 
clips around the place tonight to see if I can read the fault code.
-- 
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere