What keys should come with a 2002 Mondeo? ISTR reading that some (all?)
Fords come with a red master key that is expensive to replace if lost. Is
the red key the one that duplicates can be made from?

Thanks

Pete

"PM" <pmunro@cq_NO_systems_SPAM_.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> What keys should come with a 2002 Mondeo? ISTR reading that some (all?)
> Fords come with a red master key that is expensive to replace if lost. Is
> the red key the one that duplicates can be made from?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>


My 53 plate Mondeo Ghia didn't have a red key.

"PM" <pmunro@cq_NO_systems_SPAM_.com.invalid> wrote in message 
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> What keys should come with a 2002 Mondeo? ISTR reading that some (all?)
> Fords come with a red master key that is expensive to replace if lost. Is
> the red key the one that duplicates can be made from?


Ford done away with having a red master key and all new vehicles designed 
after the late 90s (i think 98/99).
Instead, you just require two programmed keys, to programme a new key.

Which is a brilliant idea, as if you lose a key, most new fords only come 
with two programmed keys (one keyfob key, one standard pats key + 1 
emergency stub), so when you do lose a key, you've still got to get a dealer 
to reprogramme the immobiliser.

"Moray Cuthill"  wrote in message
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>
> "PM" <pmunro@cq_NO_systems_SPAM_.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:BfCdneVmWOljeXjfRVnyrQ@pipex.net...
> > What keys should come with a 2002 Mondeo? ISTR reading that some (all?)
> > Fords come with a red master key that is expensive to replace if lost.
Is
> > the red key the one that duplicates can be made from?
>
> Ford done away with having a red master key and all new vehicles designed
> after the late 90s (i think 98/99).
> Instead, you just require two programmed keys, to programme a new key.
>
> Which is a brilliant idea, as if you lose a key, most new fords only come
> with two programmed keys (one keyfob key, one standard pats key + 1
> emergency stub), so when you do lose a key, you've still got to get a
dealer
> to reprogramme the immobiliser.
>
>


Does the stub key just open the doors or can it start the engine as well?
Whats the difference between the keyfob key and the standard pats key?
(I've not bought the car yet in case you are wondering!)

Sounds like the first job is to get a 3rd key programmed...

Thanks

Pete

"PM" <pmunro@cq_NO_systems_SPAM_.com.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
>
>
> Does the stub key just open the doors or can it start the engine as well?
> Whats the difference between the keyfob key and the standard pats key?
> (I've not bought the car yet in case you are wondering!)
>
> Sounds like the first job is to get a 3rd key programmed...


When I bought my new Ford (last year) they just gave me two keys. As far as 
I can tell they are exactly the same.

"PM" <pmunro@cq_NO_systems_SPAM_.com.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "Moray Cuthill"  wrote in message
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>>
>> "PM" <pmunro@cq_NO_systems_SPAM_.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:BfCdneVmWOljeXjfRVnyrQ@pipex.net...
>> > What keys should come with a 2002 Mondeo? ISTR reading that some (all?)
>> > Fords come with a red master key that is expensive to replace if lost.
> Is
>> > the red key the one that duplicates can be made from?
>>
>> Ford done away with having a red master key and all new vehicles designed
>> after the late 90s (i think 98/99).
>> Instead, you just require two programmed keys, to programme a new key.
>>
>> Which is a brilliant idea, as if you lose a key, most new fords only come
>> with two programmed keys (one keyfob key, one standard pats key + 1
>> emergency stub), so when you do lose a key, you've still got to get a
> dealer
>> to reprogramme the immobiliser.
>>
>>
>
> Does the stub key just open the doors or can it start the engine as well?
> Whats the difference between the keyfob key and the standard pats key?
> (I've not bought the car yet in case you are wondering!)


The stub key will only work the locks. It won't disable the alarm or 
immboliser.
The standard PATS (Passive Anti Theft System) key is a basic key, with 
either a red or blue tab, which contains the transponder for the immobilizer 
(never mix red and blue chips, as you'll scramble the immobilser).
The key fob key, is generally a bigger key with all the buttons for central 
locking, with the transponder hidden away inside it.


> Sounds like the first job is to get a 3rd key programmed...


Certainly recommended.

Depending on spec, you may find that the car came with two keyfob keys, with 
or without a stub key, one or two pats keys. Pretty much a gamble as to what 
exactly it came with. Just make sure you've got two keys that are capable 
off starting the car.

"Moray Cuthill"  wrote in message
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>
> The stub key will only work the locks. It won't disable the alarm or
> immboliser.
> The standard PATS (Passive Anti Theft System) key is a basic key, with
> either a red or blue tab, which contains the transponder for the
immobilizer
> (never mix red and blue chips, as you'll scramble the immobilser).
> The key fob key, is generally a bigger key with all the buttons for
central
> locking, with the transponder hidden away inside it.
>
> > Sounds like the first job is to get a 3rd key programmed...
>
> Certainly recommended.
>
> Depending on spec, you may find that the car came with two keyfob keys,
with
> or without a stub key, one or two pats keys. Pretty much a gamble as to
what
> exactly it came with. Just make sure you've got two keys that are capable
> off starting the car.


Many thanks

Pete

"PM" <pmunro@cq_NO_systems_SPAM_.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Moray Cuthill"  wrote in message
> news:42e67478@news.greennet.net...
>
> >
> > The stub key will only work the locks. It won't disable the alarm or
> > immboliser.
> > The standard PATS (Passive Anti Theft System) key is a basic key, with
> > either a red or blue tab, which contains the transponder for the
> immobilizer
> > (never mix red and blue chips, as you'll scramble the immobilser).
> > The key fob key, is generally a bigger key with all the buttons for
> central
> > locking, with the transponder hidden away inside it.
> >
> > > Sounds like the first job is to get a 3rd key programmed...
> >
> > Certainly recommended.
> >
> > Depending on spec, you may find that the car came with two keyfob keys,
> with
> > or without a stub key, one or two pats keys. Pretty much a gamble as to
> what
> > exactly it came with. Just make sure you've got two keys that are
capable
> > off starting the car.
>
> Many thanks
>


So yes, if you buy the car, the first thing is to have cut and programme at
least a 3rd key. The PATS system allows upto 7 keys to be in use at any one
time.

Tim..

Tim..  wrote:
 

> So yes, if you buy the car, the first thing is to have cut and programme at
> least a 3rd key. The PATS system allows upto 7 keys to be in use at any one
> time.


How much do Ford dealers charge to cut this type of key ?

-- 
Darren

>How much do Ford dealers charge to cut this type of key ?


I contacted Keyfax Car Keys (0161 339 7500) in Stockport a while ago.
They seemed to know what they were talking about and were cheaper than
Ford.
However, in the end I didn't use them.

They may be able to answer your question.