Saver tickets are supposed to be available on off-peak trains only. In 
which case, why can I not buy a Saver ticket (single or return) from 
Canterbury to Tamworth for departure before 15:58 tomorrow? Has the 
morning peak period been extended to nearly 4pm?! Or is this just 
thetrainline.com being wrong? (And no, I can't check nationalrail.co.uk, 
because "Due to inactivity we have closed your journey planning session" 
and they won't let me start a new session.

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Jonathan Stott wrote:

> Saver tickets are supposed to be available on off-peak trains only. In 
> which case, why can I not buy a Saver ticket (single or return) from 
> Canterbury to Tamworth for departure before 15:58 tomorrow? Has the 
> morning peak period been extended to nearly 4pm?! Or is this just 
> thetrainline.com being wrong? (And no, I can't check nationalrail.co.uk, 
> because "Due to inactivity we have closed your journey planning session" 
> and they won't let me start a new session.


Must be some kind of blip on trainline as I've just checked both it and 
NRES, and Savers are available for trains starting with the 0713 from 
Canterbury East, change at Faversham, Victoria and Euston.

One tip: Instead of nationalrail, use the unoffical accessible version 
at http://www.traintimes.org.uk - which screenscrapes nationalrail but 
bypasses their need for cookies and session etc.

Mark Morton wrote:


>> Saver tickets are supposed to be available on off-peak trains only. In 
>> which case, why can I not buy a Saver ticket (single or return) from 
>> Canterbury to Tamworth for departure before 15:58 tomorrow? Has the 
>> morning peak period been extended to nearly 4pm?! Or is this just 
>> thetrainline.com being wrong? (And no, I can't check 
>> nationalrail.co.uk, because "Due to inactivity we have closed your 
>> journey planning session" and they won't let me start a new session.
> 
> Must be some kind of blip on trainline as I've just checked both it and 
> NRES, and Savers are available for trains starting with the 0713 from 
> Canterbury East, change at Faversham, Victoria and Euston.


Well, I want to go from Canterbury West as it's closer to home. On 
closer inspection, Savers aren't listed as options for trains departing 
at 13:06, 13:39, 14:38 and 15:02, which is exactly the time that I want 
to go - is this because of restrictions leaving London?


> One tip: Instead of nationalrail, use the unoffical accessible version 
> at http://www.traintimes.org.uk - which screenscrapes nationalrail but 
> bypasses their need for cookies and session etc.


Just been told about that by someone else ;)

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Jonathan Stott wrote:

> 
> Well, I want to go from Canterbury West as it's closer to home. On
> closer inspection, Savers aren't listed as options for trains departing
> at 13:06, 13:39, 14:38 and 15:02, which is exactly the time that I want
> to go - is this because of restrictions leaving London?


Almost certainly. Have a look at the code 2A Saver restrictions on
<http://atoc.org/traveltrade/manuals/nfm/sectione-pages1-17.pdf> (page
E10_.

The general restriction on Savers ex Euston is "Valid on any train
departing from London Euston after 0915, except trains departing between
1515 and 1811".
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Jonathan Stott wrote:


> Saver tickets are supposed to be available on off-peak trains only. In 
> which case, why can I not buy a Saver ticket (single or return) from 
> Canterbury to Tamworth for departure before 15:58 tomorrow? Has the 
> morning peak period been extended to nearly 4pm?! Or is this just 
> thetrainline.com being wrong? (And no, I can't check nationalrail.co.uk, 
> because "Due to inactivity we have closed your journey planning session" 
> and they won't let me start a new session.


http://traintimes.org.uk is your friend :-)

It looks like by mid-afternoon, you're hitting the evening peak from
Euston. A couple of years ago, when Supersavers were phased out [1],
evening restrictions were added to Savers.

You can get a Saver on departures from Canterbury from the 0713 up
until the 1149.

[1] What actually happened was that Supersavers were called Savers,
the old Savers were called Business Savers, restrictions and fares
were increased, and the passengers all got shafted.

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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:42:19 UTC, Stevie D  
wrote:

: [1] What actually happened was that Supersavers were called Savers,
: the old Savers were called Business Savers, restrictions and fares
: were increased, and the passengers all got shafted.

Oddly enough I still regularly buy a Supersaver which is only valid on
Virgin trains. Lockerbie to Edinburgh, in case anyone cares, and if 
you take the 7.34 north that's a VXC train to Carstairs then a VWC 
train to Edinburgh. Perhaps Scotrail sets the fare?

Ian


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Joyce Whitchurch wrote:


> Almost certainly. Have a look at the code 2A Saver restrictions on
> <http://atoc.org/traveltrade/manuals/nfm/sectione-pages1-17.pdf> (page
> E10_.
> 
> The general restriction on Savers ex Euston is "Valid on any train
> departing from London Euston after 0915, except trains departing between
> 1515 and 1811".


The same document also says that holders of YP railcards can use any 
Virgin train, but none of the online train time sites offer the chance 
of using peak trains even if I specify using a railcard.

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Stevie D wrote:


> Jonathan Stott wrote:
> 
>> Saver tickets are supposed to be available on off-peak trains only. In
>> which case, why can I not buy a Saver ticket (single or return) from
>> Canterbury to Tamworth for departure before 15:58 tomorrow? Has the
>> morning peak period been extended to nearly 4pm?! Or is this just
>> thetrainline.com being wrong? (And no, I can't check nationalrail.co.uk,
>> because "Due to inactivity we have closed your journey planning session"
>> and they won't let me start a new session.


if youre a student with a Young persons railcard get a saver from Canterbury
to London, pay for the underground, then another Saver to Tamworth works
out a couple of quid more expensive but is unrestricted except for morning
peaks to London.

Paul

Paul Hutchinson wrote:


> if youre a student with a Young persons railcard get a saver from Canterbury
> to London, pay for the underground, then another Saver to Tamworth works
> out a couple of quid more expensive but is unrestricted except for morning
> peaks to London.


Actually, it works out cheaper as I can get a Cheap Day single/return 
to/from London.

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Jonathan Stott wrote:


> Paul Hutchinson wrote:
> 
>> if youre a student with a Young persons railcard get a saver from
>> Canterbury to London, pay for the underground, then another Saver to
>> Tamworth works out a couple of quid more expensive but is unrestricted
>> except for morning peaks to London.
> 
> Actually, it works out cheaper as I can get a Cheap Day single/return
> to/from London.
> 

Unless you are buying Apex tickets its nearly always cheaper to rebook in
London when youre travelling from Kent Surrey and Sussex to outside the
former NSE area with a railcard.

Paul

Joyce Whitchurch  wrote:

> The general restriction on Savers ex Euston is "Valid on any train
> departing from London Euston after 0915, except trains departing between
> 1515 and 1811".


Does that include Silverlink?  If not, could you do Roland's trick of
Silverlink to Watford, Milton Keynes or similar?

Theo

Theo Markettos wrote:

> 
> Joyce Whitchurch  wrote:
> > The general restriction on Savers ex Euston is "Valid on any train
> > departing from London Euston after 0915, except trains departing between
> > 1515 and 1811".
> 
> Does that include Silverlink?  If not, could you do Roland's trick of
> Silverlink to Watford, Milton Keynes or similar?


No and Yes. Watford - no. Milton Keynes - yes.

"Valid on any train departing from Watford Jct after 0930, except trains
departing between 1530 and 1830. Valid by any train from Milton Keynes
after 0945."
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"Ian Johnston"  wrote

>
> Oddly enough I still regularly buy a Supersaver which is only valid on
> Virgin trains. Lockerbie to Edinburgh, in case anyone cares, and if
> you take the 7.34 north that's a VXC train to Carstairs then a VWC
> train to Edinburgh. Perhaps Scotrail sets the fare?
>

Probably. Lockerbie station is operated by First Scotrail, even though none
of its trains call there (and the sleepers are the only First Scotrail
trains which even go through Lockerbie).

Peter

Joyce Whitchurch  wrote:

> Theo Markettos wrote:
>> 
>> Does that include Silverlink?  If not, could you do Roland's trick of
>> Silverlink to Watford, Milton Keynes or similar?
> 
> No and Yes. Watford - no. Milton Keynes - yes.
> 
> "Valid on any train departing from Watford Jct after 0930, except trains
> departing between 1530 and 1830. Valid by any train from Milton Keynes
> after 0945."


But are Savers valid on Silverlink from Euston to Watford/MKC during the
peaks?

Theo

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:00:05 UTC, "Peter Masson" 
 wrote:

: Probably. Lockerbie station is operated by First Scotrail, even though none
: of its trains call there (and the sleepers are the only First Scotrail
: trains which even go through Lockerbie).

Don't start me on that. I left my keys there a while ago, and getting 
them back - well, getting them held there for my return - was a real 
palaver. Both Scotrail and Virgin claimed that the other ran the 
station. As far as could work out, in the end, it is a Virgin station,
officially, but they contract the running to Scotrail.

Ian

Theo Markettos wrote:

>
> But are Savers valid on Silverlink from Euston to Watford/MKC during the
> peaks?


Not the way I read it - the code 2A restrictions do not distinguish
between TOC. You can certainly use a Saver to join an afternoon down
train at Milton Keynes, but you can't use that Saver to reach Milton
Keynes from Euston, whatever train you use.
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================================

Pat Ricroft  wrote:

> Not the way I read it - the code 2A restrictions do not distinguish
> between TOC. You can certainly use a Saver to join an afternoon down
> train at Milton Keynes, but you can't use that Saver to reach Milton
> Keynes from Euston, whatever train you use.


Right, but the masochist could avoid the Saver restriction by doing:
KXTL-Bedford-Bletchley-MKC-Tamworth?
(assuming that's Permitted, of course)

Perhaps just waiting for the end of the restriction would be quicker? :)

Theo

On 25 Jul 2005 02:36:13 -0700, "Pat Ricroft" 
wrote:


>Not the way I read it - the code 2A restrictions do not distinguish
>between TOC. You can certainly use a Saver to join an afternoon down
>train at Milton Keynes, but you can't use that Saver to reach Milton
>Keynes from Euston, whatever train you use.


I wouldn't interpret it that way.  I thought that, for a given ticket
with restrictions, the "banned" trains are banned throughout.

That is, a holder of a MK Central to $POINT_NORTH SVR can travel
northbound from MK Central in the evening peak, but a holder of a
London Terminals to $POINT_NORTH ticket cannot.

Neil

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On 25-Jul-2005, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams) wrote:


> >Not the way I read it - the code 2A restrictions do not distinguish
> >between TOC. You can certainly use a Saver to join an afternoon down
> >train at Milton Keynes, but you can't use that Saver to reach Milton
> >Keynes from Euston, whatever train you use.
>
> I wouldn't interpret it that way.  I thought that, for a given ticket
> with restrictions, the "banned" trains are banned throughout.
>
> That is, a holder of a MK Central to $POINT_NORTH SVR can travel
> northbound from MK Central in the evening peak, but a holder of a
> London Terminals to $POINT_NORTH ticket cannot.
>
> Neil


How would you interpret this for a person using the return half of a
saver, resuming after a break of journey at MK.

Malcolm

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:20:45 GMT, itsonlyme@not-this.com wrote:


>How would you interpret this for a person using the return half of a
>saver, resuming after a break of journey at MK.


The same way, i.e. the MK-$PLACE ticket would be valid but the
London-$PLACE not.

(I wonder is this written down explicitly somewhere?)

Neil

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