Hi,

I recently had a batroom installed, and I notice that the WC is not screwed 
to the floor. I have a concrete floor, but I thought that holes can be 
drilled for rawl plugs.

Is it acceptable to not screw the WC into the floor?

Thanks in advance.

Will.

"William Gould"  wrote in message
news:2NRDe.2772$bT4.489@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...

> Hi,
>
> I recently had a batroom installed, and I notice that the WC is not
screwed
> to the floor. I have a concrete floor, but I thought that holes can be
> drilled for rawl plugs.
>
> Is it acceptable to not screw the WC into the floor?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Will.
>


If the WC has been bedded onto sealant, or even a sand / cement mortar
mixture, then no, it isn't really necessary to screw it to the floor.  This
is even more so if the Closet system is fixed to a wall by the cistern in a
close-coupled design.  Is the WC sturdy enough not to wobble when in use?

Thanks BigWallop,

It's not bedded into sealant or sand/cement or anything else - it's just 
free standing. It is of a close coupled
design, and is attached to the cistern with a couple of bolts. It doesn't 
seem to move when sitting on it, but
I'm worried that it will move over time and crack as it's just free 
standing. I have moved it ever so slightly by
hand to check that it does actually move.... The actual 'foot' has quite a 
large area though... more than usual.

What do you think?

Will.

"BigWallop"  wrote in message 
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>
> "William Gould"  wrote in message
> news:2NRDe.2772$bT4.489@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently had a batroom installed, and I notice that the WC is not
> screwed
>> to the floor. I have a concrete floor, but I thought that holes can be
>> drilled for rawl plugs.
>>
>> Is it acceptable to not screw the WC into the floor?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Will.
>>
>
> If the WC has been bedded onto sealant, or even a sand / cement mortar
> mixture, then no, it isn't really necessary to screw it to the floor. 
> This
> is even more so if the Closet system is fixed to a wall by the cistern in 
> a
> close-coupled design.  Is the WC sturdy enough not to wobble when in use?
>
> 

I really think it should be fixed to the floor.
If the supply to the cistern has a isolator valve you could turn off the 
water and take it apart then either "pug" it to the floor with a
wetish sand cement mix or put those screws into the floor with some plugs.

Better do it when you want to rather than have the beast move on you ....or 
worse still crack.

Good luck

Barry

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"William Gould"  wrote in message 
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> Thanks BigWallop,
>
> It's not bedded into sealant or sand/cement or anything else - it's just 
> free standing. It is of a close coupled
> design, and is attached to the cistern with a couple of bolts. It doesn't 
> seem to move when sitting on it, but
> I'm worried that it will move over time and crack as it's just free 
> standing. I have moved it ever so slightly by
> hand to check that it does actually move.... The actual 'foot' has quite a 
> large area though... more than usual.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Will.
>
> "BigWallop"  wrote in message 
> news:l%RDe.74781$G8.64551@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> "William Gould"  wrote in message
>> news:2NRDe.2772$bT4.489@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently had a batroom installed, and I notice that the WC is not
>> screwed
>>> to the floor. I have a concrete floor, but I thought that holes can be
>>> drilled for rawl plugs.
>>>
>>> Is it acceptable to not screw the WC into the floor?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Will.
>>>
>>
>> If the WC has been bedded onto sealant, or even a sand / cement mortar
>> mixture, then no, it isn't really necessary to screw it to the floor. 
>> This
>> is even more so if the Closet system is fixed to a wall by the cistern in 
>> a
>> close-coupled design.  Is the WC sturdy enough not to wobble when in use?
>>
>>
>
> 

In article <IsUDe.12265$Ag3.4885@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
	"William Gould"  writes:

> Thanks BigWallop,
> 
> It's not bedded into sealant or sand/cement or anything else - it's just 
> free standing.


If it's on a sand/cement bed, this may not be visible as it
will go into the recess in the bottom of the pan, but this
is a very common method for plumbers to fit WC's to concrete
floors (even though just about every WC comes with instructions
saying this must not be done, as you may be unable to remove
the pan without smashing it;-)

-- 
Andrew Gabriel

It should be screwed to the floor. Does it not have holes for this
purpose? In fact the last 3 bogs I fitted came with nice stainless
steel double ended screw-bolts for the job.

"William Gould"  wrote in message
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> Thanks BigWallop,
>
> It's not bedded into sealant or sand/cement or anything else - it's just
> free standing. It is of a close coupled
> design, and is attached to the cistern with a couple of bolts. It doesn't
> seem to move when sitting on it, but
> I'm worried that it will move over time and crack as it's just free
> standing. I have moved it ever so slightly by
> hand to check that it does actually move.... The actual 'foot' has quite a
> large area though... more than usual.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Will.
>

It is really up to your own preference Will, but this type of WC design is
actually meant for free standing with very little fixing, so it shouldn't
move under normal use.  It would probably take quite a bit of pushing to get
it to move even a little bit.  So, I'm going to leave the final decision to
your own preference.

"William Gould"  wrote in message
news:IsUDe.12265$Ag3.4885@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...

> Thanks BigWallop,
>
> It's not bedded into sealant or sand/cement or anything else - it's just
> free standing. It is of a close coupled
> design, and is attached to the cistern with a couple of bolts. It doesn't
> seem to move when sitting on it, but
> I'm worried that it will move over time and crack as it's just free
> standing. I have moved it ever so slightly by
> hand to check that it does actually move.... The actual 'foot' has quite a
> large area though... more than usual.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Will.
>
> "BigWallop"  wrote in message
> news:l%RDe.74781$G8.64551@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >
> > "William Gould"  wrote in message
> > news:2NRDe.2772$bT4.489@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I recently had a batroom installed, and I notice that the WC is not
> > screwed
> >> to the floor. I have a concrete floor, but I thought that holes can be
> >> drilled for rawl plugs.
> >>
> >> Is it acceptable to not screw the WC into the floor?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >> Will.
> >>
> >
> > If the WC has been bedded onto sealant, or even a sand / cement mortar
> > mixture, then no, it isn't really necessary to screw it to the floor.
> > This
> > is even more so if the Closet system is fixed to a wall by the cistern
in
> > a
> > close-coupled design.  Is the WC sturdy enough not to wobble when in
use?
> >


It should be screwed to the floor, not 'bedded' onto anything.

"Barney"  wrote in message
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>
> "William Gould"  wrote in message
> news:IsUDe.12265$Ag3.4885@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> > Thanks BigWallop,
> >
> > It's not bedded into sealant or sand/cement or anything else - it's just
> > free standing. It is of a close coupled
> > design, and is attached to the cistern with a couple of bolts. It
doesn't
> > seem to move when sitting on it, but
> > I'm worried that it will move over time and crack as it's just free
> > standing. I have moved it ever so slightly by
> > hand to check that it does actually move.... The actual 'foot' has quite
a
> > large area though... more than usual.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Will.
> >
> > "BigWallop"  wrote in message
> > news:l%RDe.74781$G8.64551@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > >
> > > "William Gould"  wrote in message
> > > news:2NRDe.2772$bT4.489@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I recently had a batroom installed, and I notice that the WC is not
> > > screwed
> > >> to the floor. I have a concrete floor, but I thought that holes can
be
> > >> drilled for rawl plugs.
> > >>
> > >> Is it acceptable to not screw the WC into the floor?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks in advance.
> > >>
> > >> Will.
> > >>
> > >
> > > If the WC has been bedded onto sealant, or even a sand / cement mortar
> > > mixture, then no, it isn't really necessary to screw it to the floor.
> > > This
> > > is even more so if the Closet system is fixed to a wall by the cistern
> in
> > > a
> > > close-coupled design.  Is the WC sturdy enough not to wobble when in
> use?
> > >
>
> It should be screwed to the floor, not 'bedded' onto anything.
>


Even if the floor is very un-even or slopping?

Thanks very much for your answers.

It seems that the installer hadn't finished the installation. When he came 
back for the payment/finishing touches, he bedded the WC on sealant. 
Apparently there were loads of screws snapped off in the concrete, which 
made it difficult to screw in.

Anyway, the WC is now very stable, so I'm happy!

Will.

"BigWallop"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Barney"  wrote in message
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>>
>> "William Gould"  wrote in message
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>> > Thanks BigWallop,
>> >
>> > It's not bedded into sealant or sand/cement or anything else - it's 
>> > just
>> > free standing. It is of a close coupled
>> > design, and is attached to the cistern with a couple of bolts. It
> doesn't
>> > seem to move when sitting on it, but
>> > I'm worried that it will move over time and crack as it's just free
>> > standing. I have moved it ever so slightly by
>> > hand to check that it does actually move.... The actual 'foot' has 
>> > quite
> a
>> > large area though... more than usual.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > Will.
>> >
>> > "BigWallop"  wrote in message
>> > news:l%RDe.74781$G8.64551@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> > >
>> > > "William Gould"  wrote in message
>> > > news:2NRDe.2772$bT4.489@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> I recently had a batroom installed, and I notice that the WC is not
>> > > screwed
>> > >> to the floor. I have a concrete floor, but I thought that holes can
> be
>> > >> drilled for rawl plugs.
>> > >>
>> > >> Is it acceptable to not screw the WC into the floor?
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks in advance.
>> > >>
>> > >> Will.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > If the WC has been bedded onto sealant, or even a sand / cement 
>> > > mortar
>> > > mixture, then no, it isn't really necessary to screw it to the floor.
>> > > This
>> > > is even more so if the Closet system is fixed to a wall by the 
>> > > cistern
>> in
>> > > a
>> > > close-coupled design.  Is the WC sturdy enough not to wobble when in
>> use?
>> > >
>>
>> It should be screwed to the floor, not 'bedded' onto anything.
>>
>
> Even if the floor is very un-even or slopping?
>
> 

Fischer do a sanitary fixing screw/plug set just for such applications

BigWallop wrote:

> "Barney" wrote...
>> It should be screwed to the floor, not 'bedded' onto anything.
>
> Even if the floor is very un-even or slopping?


When I recently installed an Ideal Standard 'Space' corner WC, the blurb 
mentioned that you should not use mortar to bed in sanitaryware because... 
and I forget what it said exactly and have probably thrown away the piece of 
paper. Ho-hum. But it was the first time in over 30 years that I had ever 
seen it suggested that it was a potential hazard. Apart from the obvious 
(not allowing easy access once it is cemented in) I think it implied that it 
could cause a crack in sanitaryware.
It never has for me.
Cheers
Gilbert