Saw a Beeb2 show last night - 'Full On Food', it had quite a bit on
beer with food; in a pub & gourmet high-class restaurant setting
(Fqalkland's Arms, Chipping Norton; Aubergine restaurant, London).

Some high points - the Greene King brewer getting really p***ed-off
when the slightly bluff Irish presenter said his 'BeerToDineFor' tasted
like a lager (erm, I think it's brewed with lager malt & tettnang hops,
so why wouldn't it taste a bit lagery?).

Some low points - a "product test of high street ales, beers & lager"
revealed that StPeter's Organic was the best; but the website seems to
reveal that they only tried Lowenbrau, Kronenbourg1664 & Budvar.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/tv_and_radio/fullonfood_prog3.shtml

Not perfect, and a real lack of an independent, intelligent voice, but
interesting & generally positive.
cheers
MikeMcG

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   MikeMcG  wrote:

> Some high points - the Greene King brewer getting really p***ed-off
> when the slightly bluff Irish presenter said his 'BeerToDineFor' tasted
> like a lager (erm, I think it's brewed with lager malt & tettnang hops,
> so why wouldn't it taste a bit lagery?).


Saw the programme and noted that the chef/presenter also commented that it
tasted better when it had warmed up a few degrees. I conclude from that
comment that the brewer/brewery staff had been dim enough to chill the beer
to the point where it was hard to taste anything specific.
But then GK seem to have a talent for presenting the beers they produce in
an inappropriate state - like squirting beers that are supposed to have a
decent hop character through tight pinhole devices...

-- 
Steve Pampling

"MikeMcG"  wrote in message 
news:1121943424.224907.136800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

> Saw a Beeb2 show last night - 'Full On Food', it had quite a bit on
> beer with food; in a pub & gourmet high-class restaurant setting
> (Fqalkland's Arms, Chipping Norton; Aubergine restaurant, London).
>
> Some high points - the Greene King brewer getting really p***ed-off
> when the slightly bluff Irish presenter said his 'BeerToDineFor' tasted
> like a lager (erm, I think it's brewed with lager malt & tettnang hops,
> so why wouldn't it taste a bit lagery?).


Strange how there were no independent beers there. At least two are 
available nationally as BCB, not to mention the  wide selection of beers now 
available as mail order!

Poduct Pacement? Surely not?

In article <42e0fc41$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
    wrote:


> "MikeMcG"  wrote in message 
> news:1121943424.224907.136800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > Saw a Beeb2 show last night - 'Full On Food', it had quite a bit on
> > beer with food; in a pub & gourmet high-class restaurant setting
> > (Fqalkland's Arms, Chipping Norton; Aubergine restaurant, London).
> >
> > Some high points - the Greene King brewer getting really p***ed-off
> > when the slightly bluff Irish presenter said his 'BeerToDineFor' tasted
> > like a lager (erm, I think it's brewed with lager malt & tettnang hops,
> > so why wouldn't it taste a bit lagery?).

> Strange how there were no independent beers there. At least two are 
> available nationally as BCB, not to mention the  wide selection of beers now 
> available as mail order!

> Poduct Pacement? Surely not? 


My first comment (to the delicate flower sitting across the room) was
"pardon? they start looking for decent 'real ale' and dash off to Greene
King? What's up was every small brewer on holiday and not available?"

I mean, they were talking about beers that match nicely with food types and
yet they didn't bother talking to the organisation that has been promoting
the concept they finally woke up to or any of the brewers that have
produced the classic offerings that the aforesaid organisation recommends.

The one element of (possible) reality in the programme was bringing in
"Minty Marchmont" to burst a bubble or two.

-- 
Steve Pampling

In article <42e0fc41$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
    wrote:

> Strange how there were no independent beers there. At least two are
> available nationally as BCB, not to mention the  wide selection of beers
> now available as mail order!


Since when was St Peters taken over?

-- 
Christine Ramsbottom

Straying slightly, I discovered from friends that there'd been an interview
with North London CAMRA on TV last night, and I somehow featured.  I think
the footage was filmed at London Drinker in March 2001, doesn't sound like
the kind of re-run that should be shown...

"MikeMcG"  wrote in message
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> Saw a Beeb2 show last night - 'Full On Food', it had quite a bit on
> beer with food; in a pub & gourmet high-class restaurant setting
> (Fqalkland's Arms, Chipping Norton; Aubergine restaurant, London).
>

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> Since when was St Peters taken over?
>
> -- 
> Christine Ramsbottom


My comments were referring to the "Traditional Beers" on offer, St Peters 
while very interesting and undoubtably having carved a niche for itself (and 
a brewer I respect) is a unique product.

Given that the program was aimed at [possibly] getting a few of the wine 
snobs out there to try beer and food,  it would be wrong , and pandering to 
the likes of Rick "anyone who drinks beer when there is expensive wine on 
offer is a pleb" Stein to suggest the {GK excepted in their view} beers 
which will go with food are the ones which have been flavoured or altered 
away from being good  beer.

Whether some on this NG would consider GK to be beer, well, that is another 
debate, and one which, as a commercial brewer myself,  I will not comment 
on.

Anyone wondering what I have against RStein, I refer to the folowing extract 
from 7 July 2005 Western Morning News: "Of all the fine wines on offer, 
including a 1985 Chateau Latour costing about 150 a bottle, Mr Chirac 
astonished the company gathered at his 69th birthday celebration by opting 
for a German beer. "He drank German beer all night - my lovely lobster 
washed down with a lager," said Mr Stein."

Well, "Pescadus" restaurant (100yds away from the Stein establishment, 
Padstow),is cheaper, sells sea food to the same standard and hosts beer and 
food matching evenings, found that Warsteiner made an excellent 
accompanyment to Lobster, and at a much better price per glass. At Under 2 
per bottle, I think that craft brewed beers can be every bit an equal, and 
in some cases superior match for food, I love beer and wine  (and whisky, 
gin etc) but how can Stein say that he is behind the "Best of British" then 
rave about a 150 bottle of foriegn wine instead of beer?

While I would rather Chirac was drinking a good English beer (I can suggest 
a few if RS wants some pointers ;-) ) Stein would never have thought of 
doing it, and I must say that Jack C has gone up in my estimation, he wanted 
beer so he had beer, even if RS is so far up himself that he hasn't realised 
what home grown gems are produced on these shores.

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:31:13 +0100, Steven Pampling
 wrote:

>
>My first comment (to the delicate flower sitting across the room) was
>"pardon? they start looking for decent 'real ale' and dash off to Greene
>King? What's up was every small brewer on holiday and not available?"


GK have been pursuing this marketing angle for some time especially
for their bottled beers. I imagine the programme researcher had
received a GK press release about beer with food and just phoned up
their press office.

When was the last time you saw a foodie TV programme (or radio for
that matter) where the production team had the slightest knowledge of,
or interest in, beer? :-(

Best regards, Paul
--
Paul Sherwin Consulting     http://paulsherwin.co.uk