Bought an aerosol spray can of custom color paint for our Suzuki
Swift. Masked up the wing, cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
applied the new paint...............looked good.
Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash [ about a week later
], damned paint was blown off in chunks. Now I'm back to square one.


What did I do [ or not do ] Don't want have this happen second time
around.
Any advice much appreciated.
John Hewitt, Malaga, Spain

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> Bought an aerosol spray can of custom color paint for our Suzuki
> Swift. Masked up the wing, cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
> applied the new paint...............looked good.
> Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash [ about a week later
> ], damned paint was blown off in chunks. Now I'm back to square one.
>
>
> What did I do [ or not do ] Don't want have this happen second time
> around.
> Any advice much appreciated.
> John Hewitt, Malaga, Spain


Gasoline is definitely a no no for cleaning paint. OK use it for getting 
lumps of grease and oil off prior to sanding, but not as the last thing you 
do before painting. It contains a bit of oil that won't completely 
evaporate.

Rub down with wet-and-dry and make sure the wiping cloth is 100% clean. 
Don't let water dry on the paintwork before spraying.

Rob Graham

(jhewitt@arrakis.es) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying 
:


> Bought an aerosol 
> cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
> applied the new paint...............looked good.
> Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash 
> damned paint was blown off in chunks.

> What did I do [ or not do ]


You didn't prepare for paint.
You didn't clean the wing. In fact, you made it worse.

Last thing before you paint, get some thinners on a clean lint-free rag, 
and wipe with that.

jhewitt@arrakis.es wrote:

> Bought an aerosol spray can of custom color paint for our Suzuki
> Swift. Masked up the wing, cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
> applied the new paint...............looked good.
> Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash [ about a week later
> ], damned paint was blown off in chunks. Now I'm back to square one.
>
>
> What did I do [ or not do ] Don't want have this happen second time
> around.
> Any advice much appreciated.
> John Hewitt, Malaga, Spain


Give it to somebody who knows what they're doing.

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ThePunisher wrote:

> jhewitt@arrakis.es wrote:
> > Bought an aerosol spray can of custom color paint for our Suzuki
> > Swift. Masked up the wing, cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
> > applied the new paint...............looked good.
> > Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash [ about a week later
> > ], damned paint was blown off in chunks. Now I'm back to square one.
> >
> >
> > What did I do [ or not do ] Don't want have this happen second time
> > around.
> > Any advice much appreciated.
> > John Hewitt, Malaga, Spain
>
> Give it to somebody who knows what they're doing.


Come on, lets be helpful.  I suspect that it looked reasonable, and if
he hadn't used the gasoline it may have stayed on too.  I suspect that
it probably isn't worth paying for it to be done professionally anyway
because it could be a fairly old car.

In article <1121607068.ea98500d445cc5b29b650cb66a37e4db@teranews>,  
says...

> Bought an aerosol spray can of custom color paint for our Suzuki
> Swift. Masked up the wing, cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
> applied the new paint...............looked good.
> Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash [ about a week later
> ], damned paint was blown off in chunks. Now I'm back to square one.
> 
> 
> What did I do [ or not do ] 


Sand it properly before spraying. You need to use a scotchpad to rub 
down the base surface before aplying paint.



-- 
Conor

-You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room 
K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python)

>> What did I do [ or not do ]
>
> Sand it properly before spraying. You need to use a scotchpad to rub
> down the base surface before aplying paint.


And don't clean it with a high pressure hose as the paint won't have fully 
hardened. I've never found pressure washers much good for cleaning cars, 
prefer a conventional hose and bloody big sponge myself!

Hellraiser..........>

petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:

> ThePunisher wrote:
>> jhewitt@arrakis.es wrote:
>>> Bought an aerosol spray can of custom color paint for our Suzuki
>>> Swift. Masked up the wing, cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
>>> applied the new paint...............looked good.
>>> Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash [ about a week later
>>> ], damned paint was blown off in chunks. Now I'm back to square one.
>>>
>>>
>>> What did I do [ or not do ] Don't want have this happen second time
>>> around.
>>> Any advice much appreciated.
>>> John Hewitt, Malaga, Spain
>>
>> Give it to somebody who knows what they're doing.
>
> Come on, lets be helpful.  I suspect that it looked reasonable, and if
> he hadn't used the gasoline it may have stayed on too.  I suspect that
> it probably isn't worth paying for it to be done professionally anyway
> because it could be a fairly old car.


It's a suzuki swift. If you see one on fire, it's not even worth whipping
your old man out and pissing on it.

In article <dbfkcq$r0l$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, mrdoki@gmail.com 
says...

> It's a suzuki swift. If you see one on fire, it's not even worth whipping
> your old man out and pissing on it.
> 

You may think, but I happen to know, for a shopping trolley they aren't 
bad. Especially the 4wd 2 door saloon version.

The Hatches are proving more and more popular in rallying. They are 
cheap, they handle well, and the motorsport parts are still easily 
available from Japan.
-- 
Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

In article <1121607068.ea98500d445cc5b29b650cb66a37e4db@teranews>, 
jhewitt@arrakis.es says...

> Bought an aerosol spray can of custom color paint for our Suzuki
> Swift. Masked up the wing, cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
> applied the new paint...............looked good.

Pask it.
Use panel wipe or thinners to wipe down.
Buff or roughen with either a scotch pad or fine wet and dry paper.
Panel wipe again.
Leave to dry, spray.
If it needs laquer, use a laquer coat (next day after last coat has 
dried).
Then leave a couple of weeks to dry before washign at all.


> Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash [ about a week later
> ], damned paint was blown off in chunks. Now I'm back to square one.


Bad move. You really mustn't like your car if that is how you treat it.

-- 
Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

> Use panel wipe or thinners to wipe down.


Is panel wipe really OK to use as the final wipe prior to painting? I've got 
some and the instructions are not specific on this point. They just say that 
it's good for cleaning panels prior to commencing work. On one occasion I 
cleaned the area prior to spraying and the new paint gathered in little 
wells as though the surface had been a bit greasy. This may not have been 
the reason, but I became wary.

Rob Graham

Thank you for the advice and comments [well most anyway ].
Here I go again.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:31:15 +0200, jhewitt@arrakis.es wrote:


>Bought an aerosol spray can of custom color paint for our Suzuki
>Swift. Masked up the wing, cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
>applied the new paint...............looked good.
>Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash [ about a week later
>], damned paint was blown off in chunks. Now I'm back to square one.
>
>
>What did I do [ or not do ] Don't want have this happen second time
>around.
>Any advice much appreciated.
>John Hewitt, Malaga, Spain


John Hewitt, Malaga, Spain

In message <dbg3p0$pqb$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
"Rob graham"  wrote:


>> Use panel wipe or thinners to wipe down.
>
>Is panel wipe really OK to use as the final wipe prior to painting? 


Of course, thats exactly what it's designed for.

Panelwipe can be safely used on old or newly painted surfaces without
fear of it softening or dissolving the paint, this includes Acrylic,
Cellulose and Synthetics.
Don't use cellulose thinners unless your wiping over original factory
baked paint otherwise you'll wipe the paint off instead of cleaning it.


>I've got some and the instructions are not specific on this point.
>They just say that it's good for cleaning panels prior to commencing
>work. On one occasion I cleaned the area prior to spraying and the new
>paint gathered in little wells as though the surface had been a bit
>greasy. 


You've picked up oil or grease and spread it over the surface instead
of wiping it off, turning the cloth over frequently helps keep the area
free from contamination.


>This may not have been the reason, but I became wary.
>
>Rob Graham 
>



Steve.


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Adrian  wrote in message
news:Xns9696A13D451B3adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> (jhewitt@arrakis.es) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying
> :
>
> > Bought an aerosol
> > cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
> > applied the new paint...............looked good.
> > Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash
> > damned paint was blown off in chunks.
>
> > What did I do [ or not do ]
>
> You didn't prepare for paint.
> You didn't clean the wing. In fact, you made it worse.
>
> Last thing before you paint, get some thinners on a clean lint-free rag,
> and wipe with that.


HANG ON STOP THERE!

ok thinners will strip your paint off so if you want to start from scratch
go ahead.

If it's a case of preparing the surface for paint then you should 'go thru'
the wet & dry paper grades using CLEAN water every time you change grade of
paper. Once ready wipe the surface with Panel wipe (also know as Pre-Paint -
I'm sure there are a few other brand names)

Rob graham  wrote in message
news:dbg3p0$pqb$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...

>
> > Use panel wipe or thinners to wipe down.
>
> Is panel wipe really OK to use as the final wipe prior to painting? I've
got
> some and the instructions are not specific on this point. They just say
that
> it's good for cleaning panels prior to commencing work. On one occasion I
> cleaned the area prior to spraying and the new paint gathered in little
> wells as though the surface had been a bit greasy. This may not have been
> the reason, but I became wary.
>
> Rob Graham
>
>


Panel wipe is safe to use - some people are ok with it but just be on the
safe  by avoiding contact with your skin (wear gloves) as it can 'dry' them
out causing an irritation.

The amount of times I've washed my car and not being able to get rid of
dirt/stains and yet one quick wipe with panel wipe and its clean.

dave       F (davef1xxx@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying : 


>> Last thing before you paint, get some thinners on a clean lint-free
>> rag, and wipe with that.

> HANG ON STOP THERE!
> 
> ok thinners will strip your paint off so if you want to start from
> scratch go ahead.


Just remind me what you mix paint with to make it thin enough to spray? 
Could it be... thinners?

Adrian  wrote in message
news:Xns9698E2F6DC0D5adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

> dave       F (davef1xxx@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying :
>
> >> Last thing before you paint, get some thinners on a clean lint-free
> >> rag, and wipe with that.
>
> > HANG ON STOP THERE!
> >
> > ok thinners will strip your paint off so if you want to start from
> > scratch go ahead.
>
> Just remind me what you mix paint with to make it thin enough to spray?
> Could it be... thinners?




It seems there is a problem with the surface so why not use Cellulose
thinners?

Ok the surface is prepared then yeah thin your paint down with the SAME
Cellulose thinners.

Adrian, what's the problem with that, please tell all?!

dave       F (davef1xxx@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :


>> >> Last thing before you paint, get some thinners on a clean lint-free
>> >> rag, and wipe with that.

>> > HANG ON STOP THERE!
>> >
>> > ok thinners will strip your paint off so if you want to start from
>> > scratch go ahead.

>> Just remind me what you mix paint with to make it thin enough to spray?
>> Could it be... thinners?

> It seems there is a problem with the surface so why not use Cellulose
> thinners?
> 
> Ok the surface is prepared then yeah thin your paint down with the SAME
> Cellulose thinners.
> 
> Adrian, what's the problem with that, please tell all?!


There isn't one. That's why I suggested the wipe down with thinners. You 
suggested that'd make the paint fall off.

In article , 
Adrian says...

>
> There isn't one. That's why I suggested the wipe down with thinners. You 
> suggested that'd make the paint fall off.
> 

If not used correctly, it'll lift the original paint off.


-- 
Conor

-You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room 
K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python)

Conor (conor.turton@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : 


>> There isn't one. That's why I suggested the wipe down with thinners.
>> You suggested that'd make the paint fall off.

> If not used correctly, it'll lift the original paint off.


If poured on, and lit, perhaps.

If the original paint is so poorly attached that a quick wipe with a 
thinners-soaked rag will remove it, it's probably better off removed.

In article , 
Adrian says...

> Conor (conor.turton@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying : 
> 
> >> There isn't one. That's why I suggested the wipe down with thinners.
> >> You suggested that'd make the paint fall off.
> 
> > If not used correctly, it'll lift the original paint off.
> 
> If poured on, and lit, perhaps.
> 
> If the original paint is so poorly attached that a quick wipe with a 
> thinners-soaked rag will remove it, it's probably better off removed.
> 

My missus does signwriting and she said it doesn't take alot to start 
wiping paint off. They've even changed products as it was becoming such 
a problem.
 

-- 
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-You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room 
K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python)

Conor  wrote in message
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> In article ,
> Adrian says...
> > Conor (conor.turton@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> > were saying :
> >
> > >> There isn't one. That's why I suggested the wipe down with thinners.
> > >> You suggested that'd make the paint fall off.
> >
> > > If not used correctly, it'll lift the original paint off.
> >
> > If poured on, and lit, perhaps.
> >
> > If the original paint is so poorly attached that a quick wipe with a
> > thinners-soaked rag will remove it, it's probably better off removed.
> >
> My missus does signwriting and she said it doesn't take alot to start
> wiping paint off. They've even changed products as it was becoming such
> a problem.


Stephen Hull stated correctly in a previous post "Don't use cellulose
thinners unless your wiping over original factory
baked paint otherwise you'll wipe the paint off instead of cleaning it".

So DO NOT WIPE THE SURFACE WITH THINNERS UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THE
DIY SPRAY PAINT

In message <1121607068.ea98500d445cc5b29b650cb66a37e4db@teranews>
          jhewitt@arrakis.es wrote:


>Bought an aerosol spray can of custom color paint for our Suzuki
>Swift. Masked up the wing, cleaned the exiting paint with gasoline,
>applied the new paint...............looked good.
>Then I went to a coin op high pressure car wash [ about a week later
>], damned paint was blown off in chunks. Now I'm back to square one.
>
>
>What did I do [ or not do ] Don't want have this happen second time
>around.
>Any advice much appreciated.
>John Hewitt, Malaga, Spain


Apart from the other info given with reference to preparation etc.

Compared to a conventional spray gun system aerosols contain very thin
paint under very low pressure which when applied does not adhere very
well, also the paint does not always atomize correctly and more often
than not the applied finish ends up far too dry. A dry coat lacks
adhesion so you need to provide an alternative key by way of preparation
and priming.

<To quote from my pending book>
The first coat of primer is the most important layer of paint as it has
more than one function to perform, It must BOND to the surface with
enough strength to allow additional coats to be applied over the top
and allow sufficient movement for expansion and contraction of the
surface. The entire painting system or process depends on the priming
coat it is therefore in the interest of the painter to use a good
quality primer designed specifically for the job in hand.
<unquote>

A full wet coat cannot be done successfully using aerosols because
the paint is supposed to soften the inner paint layer so you can build
up layer upon layer with each coat softening the other so you end up
with a solid film BONDED right through. You can't achieve this with
aerosol paints, you have to first establish a suitable key for the
primer to bite on then the subsequent coats will melt into each other.

99% of the time aerosol paint just sits on top without a suitable key or
adhesion.

You should be able to pressure wash a paint surface without it lifting
off if it's been prepared properly and this included synthetics.

Steve.


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dave       F (davef1xxx@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying : 


> So DO NOT WIPE THE SURFACE WITH THINNERS UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET RID OF
> THE DIY SPRAY PAINT


Umm, I was suggesting he wiped it over BEFORE spraying to clean the surface 
to stop the paint falling off again.