Want a digital camcorder for my holiday in September.  Not really up on the 
new technology.  Any suggestions for a reasonably priced camcorder?  Must 
have USB 1.0/2.0 connector as I do not have firewire.

Thanks
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"KerplunKuK" <kerplunk@greenday.freeserve.co[dot]uk> wrote in message 
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> Want a digital camcorder for my holiday in September.  Not really up on 
> the new technology.  Any suggestions for a reasonably priced camcorder? 
> Must have USB 1.0/2.0 connector as I do not have firewire.
>
> Thanks
> -- 
> XBL : D0C RAY
>
> We'll be Gunning for you
>


Then buy a firewire card ;)

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:47:33 +0100, "KerplunKuK"
<kerplunk@greenday.freeserve.co[dot]uk> wrote:


>Want a digital camcorder for my holiday in September.  Not really up on the 
>new technology.  Any suggestions for a reasonably priced camcorder?  Must 
>have USB 1.0/2.0 connector as I do not have firewire.


Usually the USB ports on a digital camcorder are for outputting
photo's only, it you want to move video you will need a firewire card
due to the amount of data involved in video

Gavin wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:47:33 +0100, "KerplunKuK"
> <kerplunk@greenday.freeserve.co[dot]uk> wrote:
>
>> Want a digital camcorder for my holiday in September.  Not really up
>> on the new technology.  Any suggestions for a reasonably priced
>> camcorder?  Must have USB 1.0/2.0 connector as I do not have
>> firewire.


you /need/ firewire to extract video from your camcarder.


> Usually the USB ports on a digital camcorder are for outputting
> photo's only, it you want to move video you will need a firewire card
> due to the amount of data involved in video


100% true



RT

"news"  wrote in message 
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> Gavin wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:47:33 +0100, "KerplunKuK"
>> <kerplunk@greenday.freeserve.co[dot]uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Want a digital camcorder for my holiday in September.  Not really up
>>> on the new technology.  Any suggestions for a reasonably priced
>>> camcorder?  Must have USB 1.0/2.0 connector as I do not have
>>> firewire.
>
> you /need/ firewire to extract video from your camcarder.
>
>> Usually the USB ports on a digital camcorder are for outputting
>> photo's only, it you want to move video you will need a firewire card
>> due to the amount of data involved in video
>
> 100% true
>

Actually USB 2.0 is faster than Firewire 400. I have read of camcorders that 
do output video over USB 2.0 but I don't know of any off hand. More research 
required! But a firewire card is a cheap option, assuming the PC has a spare 
slot to add one.

"KerplunKuK" <kerplunk@greenday.freeserve.co[dot]uk> wrote in message 
news:3jglpaFpvn7bU1@individual.net...

> Want a digital camcorder for my holiday in September.  Not really up on 
> the new technology.  Any suggestions for a reasonably priced camcorder? 
> Must have USB 1.0/2.0 connector as I do not have firewire.
>
> Thanks
> -- 
> XBL : D0C RAY
>
> We'll be Gunning for you



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Tiny Tim wrote:

> "news"  wrote in message
> news:hbLAe.30661$y86.4471@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>> Gavin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:47:33 +0100, "KerplunKuK"
>>> <kerplunk@greenday.freeserve.co[dot]uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Want a digital camcorder for my holiday in September.  Not really
>>>> up
>>>> on the new technology.  Any suggestions for a reasonably priced
>>>> camcorder?  Must have USB 1.0/2.0 connector as I do not have
>>>> firewire.
>>
>> you /need/ firewire to extract video from your camcarder.
>>
>>> Usually the USB ports on a digital camcorder are for outputting
>>> photo's only, it you want to move video you will need a firewire
>>> card due to the amount of data involved in video
>>
>> 100% true
>>
> Actually USB 2.0 is faster than Firewire 400.


theoretically. on paper, but have you actually tried to extract DV from a
camcorder using USB ?

USB2 runs *up to* 480mbps whilst firewire runs at a *minimum* of 400mbps which
is actually better in real world, off paper 'I've read about it' type applications.



RT

> > Actually USB 2.0 is faster than Firewire 400.
>
> theoretically. on paper, but have you actually tried to extract DV from a
> camcorder using USB ?
>
> USB2 runs *up to* 480mbps whilst firewire runs at a *minimum* of 400mbps
which
> is actually better in real world, off paper 'I've read about it' type
applications.
>

"*minimum* of 400mbps" Are you sure?
My camcorder is an S100 firewire device => 100mbps
Which *IS* fast enough for real time DV capture.

phantom wrote:

>>> Actually USB 2.0 is faster than Firewire 400.
>>
>> theoretically. on paper, but have you actually tried to extract DV
>> from a camcorder using USB ?
>>
>> USB2 runs *up to* 480mbps whilst firewire runs at a *minimum* of
>> 400mbps which is actually better in real world, off paper 'I've read
>> about it' type applications.
>>
> "*minimum* of 400mbps" Are you sure?
> My camcorder is an S100 firewire device => 100mbps
> Which *IS* fast enough for real time DV capture.


1/ record 1hr of digital video

2/ extract 20mins of that video to your hard drive using USB2

/3 do the same with firewire

4/ notice that the USB extracted video has occasional jitters on it

5/ notice that the firewire extracted video doesn't

firewire cards are 11 and firewire cables are 2.50, with p&p it's
still less than 20 for a proven jitter free video transfer solution.



RT

KerplunKuK wrote:

> Want a digital camcorder for my holiday in September.  Not really up
> on the new technology.  Any suggestions for a reasonably priced
> camcorder?  Must have USB 1.0/2.0 connector as I do not have firewire.
>
> Thanks


I do not have space in my PC for a firewire care, hence the need to the USB 
support.  Sorry should have posted that.
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news wrote:

>  
> you /need/ firewire to extract video from your camcarder.


What nonsense, my Samsung has both firewire and USB2 and will output 
video on either, whats more there is no "jitter" from the USB2 as 
sudgested by one of your later posts.

Now I am not saying that you are incorrect as this might be true on some 
Camcorders but mine does not do this and works perfectly fine on both 
USB2 and Firewire.

Whats more I can use my camcorder as a webcam when it's plugged in on 
the USB2 port.. which is nice :)

"Bob"  wrote in message 
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> Whats more I can use my camcorder as a webcam when it's plugged in on the 
> USB2 port.. which is nice :)


That appears to work using firewire too.
No special drivers loaded just XP SP2.