Our outside security lights attract loads of big moths, and the big moths 
attract bats. We stood out there in the warm evening tonight, with a 
gorgeous sky full of colour that won't get dark, watching bats swooping and 
catching moths right at our back door.

I am so glad I left the city!

ally-batty

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> Our outside security lights attract loads of big moths, and the big moths
> attract bats. We stood out there in the warm evening tonight, with a
> gorgeous sky full of colour that won't get dark, watching bats swooping
and
> catching moths right at our back door.
>
> I am so glad I left the city!
>
> ally-batty
>

Batty Ally.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message 
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> Our outside security lights attract loads of big moths, and the big moths 
> attract bats. We stood out there in the warm evening tonight, with a 
> gorgeous sky full of colour that won't get dark, watching bats swooping 
> and catching moths right at our back door.
>
> I am so glad I left the city!
>
> ally-batty


Bet the moths ain't.... ;)

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message 
> news:3jdolaFp2nndU3@individual.net...
>> Our outside security lights attract loads of big moths, and the big moths 
>> attract bats. We stood out there in the warm evening tonight, with a 
>> gorgeous sky full of colour that won't get dark, watching bats swooping 
>> and catching moths right at our back door.
>>
>> I am so glad I left the city!
>>
>> ally-batty
>
> Bet the moths ain't.... ;)

Ah yes, nature red in tooth & claw.

ally (too hot to think of clever answers....)

"a l l y"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
> news:42d241ea$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>
>> "a l l y"  wrote in message 
>> news:3jdolaFp2nndU3@individual.net...
>>> Our outside security lights attract loads of big moths, and the big 
>>> moths attract bats. We stood out there in the warm evening tonight, with 
>>> a gorgeous sky full of colour that won't get dark, watching bats 
>>> swooping and catching moths right at our back door.
>>>
>>> I am so glad I left the city!
>>>
>>> ally-batty
>>
>> Bet the moths ain't.... ;)
> Ah yes, nature red in tooth & claw.
>
> ally (too hot to think of clever answers....)


It'll cool down later..... Drop an answer in then!!

My brain's fried today. I overheated and then really lost it in the bank 
today. Kai Hsia may be from foreign climes but I hate it when she gets 
patronised or treated like an idiot. One less customer for them to worry 
about now. Almost two!!

Kez. . .

> It'll cool down later..... Drop an answer in then!!
> 
> My brain's fried today. I overheated and then really lost
> it in the bank today. Kai Hsia may be from foreign climes
> but I hate it when she gets patronised or treated like an
> idiot. One less customer for them to worry about now.
> Almost two!! 
> 
> Kez. . .


Chill out man! There's no such thing as a good bank. You have to 
know that going in. We have one bank that we've been using for 
25 years and they still give us grief when we are depositing 
money!

It's hot enough here to fry eggs on the sidewalk today. A/C is 
running just fine though.

Johnny-cool-customer

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > It'll cool down later..... Drop an answer in then!!
> >
> > My brain's fried today. I overheated and then really lost
> > it in the bank today. Kai Hsia may be from foreign climes
> > but I hate it when she gets patronised or treated like an
> > idiot. One less customer for them to worry about now.
> > Almost two!!
> >
> > Kez. . .
>
> Chill out man! There's no such thing as a good bank. You have to
> know that going in. We have one bank that we've been using for
> 25 years and they still give us grief when we are depositing
> money!
>
> It's hot enough here to fry eggs on the sidewalk today. A/C is
> running just fine though.
>
> Johnny-cool-customer


The heat is getting to everyone, most likely those who work in banks too.
The biggest problem with my bank is-they won't lend me anymore money. I just
can't understand it - COUGH!

Edith with all windows and doors open and a breeze flowing through my flat
and knows what Kezzi is on about coss shiz a furriner too und az experienced
a few chitty situashuns. Mebbe we shud joint t'mafia.

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message news:42d2aff5_2@mk-nntp->


> It'll cool down later..... Drop an answer in then!!


No, it's after midnight and still hot. When Belfagan finished dancing 
tonight (yes, we danced in all this heat!) we went round to the house of the 
person who lives nearest where we were, and sat out in the garden until 
after 11pm, drinking quietly and watching the moon and Saturn and even more 
bats.

>
> My brain's fried today. I overheated and then really lost it in the bank 
> today. Kai Hsia may be from foreign climes but I hate it when she gets 
> patronised or treated like an idiot. One less customer for them to worry 
> about now. Almost two!!
>

I hate banks. The only person I have ever wished a painful death upon was a 
bank manager. I wish it were possible to conduct one's business without 
using them, but really, nowadays this would be seriously impractical.

ally-bats-not-banks

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>> It'll cool down later..... Drop an answer in then!!
>>
>> My brain's fried today. I overheated and then really lost
>> it in the bank today. Kai Hsia may be from foreign climes
>> but I hate it when she gets patronised or treated like an
>> idiot. One less customer for them to worry about now.
>> Almost two!!
>>
>> Kez. . .
>
> Chill out man! There's no such thing as a good bank. You have to
> know that going in. We have one bank that we've been using for
> 25 years and they still give us grief when we are depositing
> money!


there's an old story of a Texan who went into his bank, as he had been doing
for years, to make a deposit.  When he came out and got in his beat up
pick-em-up truck and was confronted by a car park attendant who asked him
for the fee for the use of the car park.  Farmer explained he'd just been in
the bank to make a deposit and showed the deposit slip.  Attendant insisted
that he pay as only people withdrawing money from the bank get to park for
free.  OK says the farmer that's no problem.  He parked his truck and went
back into the bank told them he wanted to close his account and would like
his $1.4 million right now.

Al




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Kezzi wrote:


> My brain's fried today. I overheated and then really lost it in the bank 
> today. Kai Hsia may be from foreign climes but I hate it when she gets 
> patronised or treated like an idiot. One less customer for them to worry 
> about now. Almost two!!
> 
> Kez. . .
> 
> 

Oh boy! Do I know about being treated like an idiot because I'm from 
foreign climes. (Can you believe it???)

Love to Kai Hsia and let her know that the Brits get it, too, from most 
*surprising* sources.


Jp

Alfred Packer wrote:


  > there's an old story of a Texan who went into his bank, as he had 
been doing

> for years, to make a deposit.  When he came out and got in his beat up
> pick-em-up truck and was confronted by a car park attendant who asked him
> for the fee for the use of the car park.  Farmer explained he'd just been in
> the bank to make a deposit and showed the deposit slip.  Attendant insisted
> that he pay as only people withdrawing money from the bank get to park for
> free.  OK says the farmer that's no problem.  He parked his truck and went
> back into the bank told them he wanted to close his account and would like
> his $1.4 million right now.
> 
> Al


That's odd. The time I most upset my bank was when I took my mortgage 
and my piddly thousand quid overdraft facility away from them. They 
phoned me night and day, wondering what they'd done wrong! Oh, it felt good.

That was 20 years ago. They missed out on our business account.

Jp

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message news:42d2aff5_2@mk-nntp->
>
> > It'll cool down later..... Drop an answer in then!!
>
> No, it's after midnight and still hot. When Belfagan finished dancing
> tonight (yes, we danced in all this heat!) we went round to the house of
the
> person who lives nearest where we were, and sat out in the garden until
> after 11pm, drinking quietly and watching the moon and Saturn and even
more
> bats.


The Evil Batwoman of The North. Don't be a Ozzy.

> >
> > My brain's fried today. I overheated and then really lost it in the bank
> > today. Kai Hsia may be from foreign climes but I hate it when she gets
> > patronised or treated like an idiot. One less customer for them to worry
> > about now. Almost two!!
> >
> I hate banks. The only person I have ever wished a painful death upon was
a
> bank manager. I wish it were possible to conduct one's business without
> using them, but really, nowadays this would be seriously impractical.
>
> ally-bats-not-banks
>
>

Jpinny  wrote:

> Kezzi wrote:
>
>> My brain's fried today. I overheated and then really lost it in the
>> bank today. Kai Hsia may be from foreign climes but I hate it when
>> she gets patronised or treated like an idiot. One less customer for
>> them to worry about now. Almost two!!
>>
>> Kez. . .
>>
>>
> Oh boy! Do I know about being treated like an idiot because I'm from
> foreign climes. (Can you believe it???)
>
> Love to Kai Hsia and let her know that the Brits get it, too, from
> most *surprising* sources.
>
>
> Jp


Thanks Jp,

I shall pass on your amity. It's strange, though... Whilst I have 
extensively travelled I've never had a problem! In fact I've been treated 
well everywhere (except by the Police in former Yugoslavia - but that's 
another story).

Or is it just women that get treated with such ignorance?

Blessings,
Kezzi. . .

Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:

>
> It's hot enough here to fry eggs on the sidewalk today. A/C is
> running just fine though.
>
> Johnny-cool-customer
>


Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a helicopter doing some very 
strange manoeuvres just overhead at 02:45. Just like being back in 
Belfast....

Kezzi-ker-nack-ered

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
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>
> Or is it just women that get treated with such ignorance?
>

Well I've been treated like that in Britain, so maybe...

....Try car showrooms. The salesmen always assume it's the male who's buying 
the car, and who knows all about cars, if you enter the premises as a 
couple. They ignore the woman, apart from patronising comments about 
upholstery colours, and talk tecchy to the man. They can't seem to get their 
heads round the fact that in some couples, it's the woman who drives, and 
who's about to take her custom elsewhere....

ally

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
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> Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:
>>
>> It's hot enough here to fry eggs on the sidewalk today. A/C is
>> running just fine though.
>>
>> Johnny-cool-customer
>>
>
> Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a helicopter doing some 
> very strange manoeuvres just overhead at 02:45. Just like being back in 
> Belfast....
>

No choppers here (unless that was the point I did actually manage to sleep 
for a bit), but you're right - too hot to sleep. I woke up every hour or so 
drenched in sweat...

..... and now it's heating up again...

I hung out washing about 7pm last night and it was dry when I went out for 
it this morning.

Edith - can you dry washing overnight in the Norwegian summer? I'd imagine 
the people north of the Arctic Circle can do this during the midnight sun 
season, or isn't it warm enough?

ally

a l l y  wrote:

> "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message
> news:42d3934b_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a helicopter doing
>> some very strange manoeuvres just overhead at 02:45. Just like being
>> back in Belfast....
>>
> No choppers here (unless that was the point I did actually manage to
> sleep for a bit), but you're right - too hot to sleep. I woke up
> every hour or so drenched in sweat...


But a chopper overhead here wouldn't be seen nor heard by you would it?

I'm in my office right now and it's much cooler with the North-facing 
picture window but I'm starting to feel really tired. My mind is wandering. 
Not going to get much done today.


> .... and now it's heating up again...


It is.... I've just checked the thermometer outside on the rear wall and 
it's 32C already.

Kez. . .

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
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>a l l y  wrote:
>
> But a chopper overhead here wouldn't be seen nor heard by you would it?


This is very true. However, we do get rather a lot of military-style 
aircraft whizzing over our house as they practise low-flying down the 
Solway, and a couple of similar helicopters were seen near here a couple of 
days ago. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if this chopper's flight path 
took it over both our houses during last night.


>
> I'm in my office right now and it's much cooler with the North-facing 
> picture window but I'm starting to feel really tired. My mind is 
> wandering. Not going to get much done today.


My office faces south west. If I don't get some work done in the morning 
it'll be too hot to move in here later. In fact it's already too hot to 
move. I'm afraid the sweat running down my arms will cause a short in my 
keyboard....



>
>> .... and now it's heating up again...
>
> It is.... I've just checked the thermometer outside on the rear wall and 
> it's 32C already.
>

The other day I forgot to open the south-facing conservatory windows and 
when I went in it was like being hit by a blast with the world's fierecest 
hairdryer. The old pre-decimal thermometer in there was showing 110F.

ally -melting

a l l y  wrote:

> "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message
> news:42d38c2c_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>
>> Or is it just women that get treated with such ignorance?
>>
> Well I've been treated like that in Britain, so maybe...
>
> ...Try car showrooms. The salesmen always assume it's the male who's
> buying the car, and who knows all about cars, if you enter the
> premises as a couple. They ignore the woman, apart from patronising
> comments about upholstery colours, and talk tecchy to the man. They
> can't seem to get their heads round the fact that in some couples,
> it's the woman who drives, and who's about to take her custom
> elsewhere....
> ally


Yeah, I know exactly what you mean about car showrooms. Because my 
fibromyalgia can be very disabling Kai Hsia will often need to drive me 
around, so she needs to have as much input as me when we buy a new car. She 
used to get all the colours, upholstery, and shopping space stuff... which 
is a waste of time. As long as it's black, got some poke, all mod cons and 
enough space for a PA system, lighting rig, three keyboards, stands, a 
sheepdog and isn't French it will generally do. When offered a test drive 
it's always me who is given the keys. I'll drive anything. It's much more 
important that KH can drive it.... Always surprises the salesman when I give 
her the keys and she hops into the driving seat!

We walked out on a Rover and a Vauxhall dealer because the salesman ignored 
her completely; her best treatment was at the hands of Ford in Barrow. In 
fact they were so good with her I wrote a letter to praise the guy.

A very single girlfriend of mine always calls me when she is taking a car 
for repair or when she is buying something new. So unnecessary....

Kez. . .

a l l y  wrote:

> "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message
> news:42d39f18_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> a l l y  wrote:
>>
>> But a chopper overhead here wouldn't be seen nor heard by you would
>> it?
>
> This is very true. However, we do get rather a lot of military-style
> aircraft whizzing over our house as they practise low-flying down the
> Solway, and a couple of similar helicopters were seen near here a
> couple of days ago. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if this
> chopper's flight path took it over both our houses during last night.


Quite possible. This one was unusual as it hovered at about 300' slightly 
South of us (which would be over Furness Abbey I guess) for over 10 minutes 
at a strange time of morning. No searchlights, unless it was using infra-red 
for something - or not looking for anything!. Then it set off in a 
North-East direction as if following the 590. Of course, it may have been 
the Rescue team from Furness General but it was hovering too far over for 
that - I think.... Hmmmm... I just checked my OS map and it could have been 
the Rescue team...

Yeah, we get all the military stuff taking our slates off as they come 
across The Bay. Been a bit quiet lately.



> My office faces south west. If I don't get some work done in the
> morning it'll be too hot to move in here later. In fact it's already
> too hot to move. I'm afraid the sweat running down my arms will cause
> a short in my keyboard....


Wrist bands.... That's what you need!! Or a newer style keyboard!!

Just been and checked the outside temp again. 36C!!! It's so bright out 
there I dazzled myself, came in, trod on the dog who's lying in the shade, 
and got bitten on the foot. Good job he's old and toothless!!

Kezzi-going-to-bake-for-20-minutes.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message
> news:42d3934b_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> > Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's hot enough here to fry eggs on the sidewalk today. A/C is
> >> running just fine though.
> >>
> >> Johnny-cool-customer
> >>
> >
> > Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a helicopter doing some
> > very strange manoeuvres just overhead at 02:45. Just like being back in
> > Belfast....
> >
> No choppers here (unless that was the point I did actually manage to sleep
> for a bit), but you're right - too hot to sleep. I woke up every hour or
so
> drenched in sweat...
>
> .... and now it's heating up again...
>
> I hung out washing about 7pm last night and it was dry when I went out for
> it this morning.
>
> Edith - can you dry washing overnight in the Norwegian summer? I'd imagine
> the people north of the Arctic Circle can do this during the midnight sun
> season, or isn't it warm enough?
>
> ally


Sweat, oh sweat. All those lovely sleepless men lying sweating all night.
Everything stiffens here, Ally, all year 'round, but I wouldn't try hanging
them on a cothes line, like.

I think I'll go take in some more sun now. Who needs Spain.

SOBER-Dizzy Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message
> news:42d38c2c_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >
> > Or is it just women that get treated with such ignorance?
> >
> Well I've been treated like that in Britain, so maybe...
>
> ...Try car showrooms. The salesmen always assume it's the male who's
buying
> the car, and who knows all about cars, if you enter the premises as a
> couple. They ignore the woman, apart from patronising comments about
> upholstery colours, and talk tecchy to the man. They can't seem to get
their
> heads round the fact that in some couples, it's the woman who drives, and
> who's about to take her custom elsewhere....
>
> ally


I never get treated like that. I just put my evil eyes on em and they
sharpen up. I'm a demon.

Edith-looks em in the eye. 8o)

Kezzi wrote:


> Thanks Jp,
> 
> I shall pass on your amity. It's strange, though... Whilst I have 
> extensively travelled I've never had a problem! In fact I've been treated 
> well everywhere (except by the Police in former Yugoslavia - but that's 
> another story).
> 
> Or is it just women that get treated with such ignorance?
> 
> Blessings,
> Kezzi. . . 
> 

Thanx for the blessings. I  needed some.

A few years ago, I used to do Mr Pinny's books for him (to make money to 
buy pins and ribbons and other frip-frapperies that my sex like to buy) 
so that he could concentrate on doing what he did well, which is sorting 
out other folks' computer systems. I knew all about double-entry 
bookkeeping and grew knowledgeable about PAYE and Employer's and 
Employee's NI Contributions, VAT and Corporation tax and recorded 
everything in glorious Quicken. When the accountant came to call, we 
would all sit down and the two men would talk over my head as if I 
wasn't there and let me make the coffee. You could cut the testosterone 
in the air with a knife. So I sacked that accountant and got another one.
Jp

a l l y wrote:


> 
> Edith - can you dry washing overnight in the Norwegian summer? I'd imagine 
> the people north of the Arctic Circle can do this during the midnight sun 
> season, or isn't it warm enough?
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

I used to do that in Aberdeen, in the summer. Here it's not the done 
thing to hang out your washing - especially your smalls. I think it's a 
snobby thing, too, as I have heard comments about it occurring in "parts 
of Brooklyn, forty years ago". The Korean lady two doors down 
scandalised my neighbour by hanging her *underwear* out. My 
mother-in-law drives me crazy by doing the same when she comes to stay. 
I've tried to explain, but her British resolve is immutable, and a clean 
pair is defiantly hoisted up on the line every day, like a Union Jack on 
the 4th of July. I hang out towels and sheets. But the air's not so 
sweet and the wind doesn't fluff them the same way as the North Sea wind.

Kezzi wrote:


> Yeah, I know exactly what you mean about car showrooms. Because my 
> fibromyalgia can be very disabling Kai Hsia will often need to drive me 
> around, so she needs to have as much input as me when we buy a new car. She 
> used to get all the colours, upholstery, and shopping space stuff... which 
> is a waste of time. As long as it's black, got some poke, all mod cons and 
> enough space for a PA system, lighting rig, three keyboards, stands, a 
> sheepdog and isn't French it will generally do. When offered a test drive 
> it's always me who is given the keys. I'll drive anything. It's much more 
> important that KH can drive it.... Always surprises the salesman when I give 
> her the keys and she hops into the driving seat!
> 
> We walked out on a Rover and a Vauxhall dealer because the salesman ignored 
> her completely; her best treatment was at the hands of Ford in Barrow. In 
> fact they were so good with her I wrote a letter to praise the guy.
> 
> A very single girlfriend of mine always calls me when she is taking a car 
> for repair or when she is buying something new. So unnecessary....
> 
> Kez. . . 
> 
> 

I bought new wiper blades at our local "Pep Boys" auto parts and service 
   store, and was told to bring my car round to the service bay, where 
they were fitted for me at no extra charge, and it was explained that 
most ladies expected this. (Most American women have impeccable manicures).

When I had a problem with pressure in one of my tyres, my next door and 
across-the-road (male) neighbours and one male passer-by walking a dog 
asked me if I needed any help, even though I had an electric pump on the go.

Jp

a l l y wrote:

> Our outside security lights attract loads of big moths, and the big moths 
> attract bats. We stood out there in the warm evening tonight, with a 
> gorgeous sky full of colour that won't get dark, watching bats swooping and 
> catching moths right at our back door.
> 
> I am so glad I left the city!
> 
> ally-batty 
> 
> 

Sounds nice. My son saw a gorgeous cock pheasant last night, at the 
Soccer Park, less than half an hour from New York City!

The fireflies have returned to suburbia. Our hedges and bushes are alive 
with them! One moment they're there, like a tiny spark, and then they're 
gone.

In the next few weeks, the cicadas will start their chirrupping in the 
trees. It's "chi-chi-chi-chi" day and night as the summer digs in and I 
will start to yearn to be in England.


Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
news:DpPAe.167261$t07.125186@fe12.lga...

> Kezzi wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I know exactly what you mean about car showrooms. Because my
> > fibromyalgia can be very disabling Kai Hsia will often need to drive me
> > around, so she needs to have as much input as me when we buy a new car.
She
> > used to get all the colours, upholstery, and shopping space stuff...
which
> > is a waste of time. As long as it's black, got some poke, all mod cons
and
> > enough space for a PA system, lighting rig, three keyboards, stands, a
> > sheepdog and isn't French it will generally do. When offered a test
drive
> > it's always me who is given the keys. I'll drive anything. It's much
more
> > important that KH can drive it.... Always surprises the salesman when I
give
> > her the keys and she hops into the driving seat!
> >
> > We walked out on a Rover and a Vauxhall dealer because the salesman
ignored
> > her completely; her best treatment was at the hands of Ford in Barrow.
In
> > fact they were so good with her I wrote a letter to praise the guy.
> >
> > A very single girlfriend of mine always calls me when she is taking a
car
> > for repair or when she is buying something new. So unnecessary....
> >
> > Kez. . .
> >
> >
> I bought new wiper blades at our local "Pep Boys" auto parts and service
>    store, and was told to bring my car round to the service bay, where
> they were fitted for me at no extra charge, and it was explained that
> most ladies expected this. (Most American women have impeccable
manicures).
>
> When I had a problem with pressure in one of my tyres, my next door and
> across-the-road (male) neighbours and one male passer-by walking a dog
> asked me if I needed any help, even though I had an electric pump on the
go.
>
> Jp


I've never changed a tire. I tried once and couldn't get the nuts off.

Nutty Edith

> No, it's after midnight and still hot. When Belfagan
> finished dancing tonight (yes, we danced in all this heat!)
> we went round to the house of the person who lives nearest
> where we were, and sat out in the garden until after 11pm,
> drinking quietly and watching the moon and Saturn and even
> more bats.

> I hate banks. The only person I have ever wished a painful
> death upon was a bank manager. I wish it were possible to
> conduct one's business without using them, but really,
> nowadays this would be seriously impractical. 
> 
> ally-bats-not-banks 


Sounds like you had a good evening all around. I'm jealous of 
everything but the dancing.

You will find you can deal without banks for some things. You 
can get a private mortgage instead of the usual type sometimes 
as easily as asking a friend. I don't recommend borrowing from a 
friend, but a friend might know someone with money to lend. And 
I don't mean guys with crooked noses and baseball bats.

I have a friend who is a lawyer and he has loads of clients 
looking to place some of their wealth into private investments. 
Wealthy people have the same problems as you and I getting good 
deals from banks and investment houses. If you are willing to 
pay the going prime rate, then that's usually a better deal for 
a wealthy person than leaving the money in the bank or a lousy 
investment certificate. And the going prime rate is usually 
better than the deal you get from a bank or mortgage company who 
might insist on prime plus two because they consider everyone a 
risk!

Just an idea.

Johnny-wheeler-dealer

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:18:46 +0100, a l l y wrote:


> No choppers here 


Shame...

Saw the RAF SAR one yesterday afternoon about 1600 coming from the 
lakes heading towards Newcastle(ish).


> I'd imagine the people north of the Arctic Circle can do this during 
> the midnight sun season, or isn't it warm enough?


I wouldn't be surprised if they can dry stuff outside in the middle of 
winter. It's called freeze drying...

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:18:46 +0100, a l l y wrote:
>
> > No choppers here
>
> Shame...
>
> Saw the RAF SAR one yesterday afternoon about 1600 coming from the
> lakes heading towards Newcastle(ish).
>
> > I'd imagine the people north of the Arctic Circle can do this during
> > the midnight sun season, or isn't it warm enough?


They bathe in the sea up there, Ally. in the summers the fells are thick
with massive great  midges. I imagine they get their clothes dry easily.

>
> I wouldn't be surprised if they can dry stuff outside in the middle of
> winter. It's called freeze drying...
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Titter. I broke my clothes off the line at Espa many a time-before tumble
dryers were invented.

Edith in -42

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> a l l y wrote:
>
> >
> > Edith - can you dry washing overnight in the Norwegian summer? I'd
imagine
> > the people north of the Arctic Circle can do this during the midnight
sun
> > season, or isn't it warm enough?
> >
> > ally


Yes and yes and I hang everything out in the summer. Doh! I don't care who
see me knickers. Cors, like, yours being like big green
tents.................like.

Edith - Somebody has to keep you all happy-wanna see me smalls boys?

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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You could cut the testosterone

> in the air with a knife. So I sacked that accountant and got another one.
> Jp


He had no reason for being uhflig, Jp.

Edith.

> Well I've been treated like that in Britain, so maybe...
> 
> ...Try car showrooms. The salesmen always assume it's the
> male who's buying the car, and who knows all about cars, if
> you enter the premises as a couple. They ignore the woman,
> apart from patronising comments about upholstery colours,
> and talk tecchy to the man. They can't seem to get their 
> heads round the fact that in some couples, it's the woman
> who drives, and who's about to take her custom
> elsewhere.... 
> 
> ally 


We had the opposite experience when we went n to buy my wife's 
new car a couple of months ago. As soon as they heard it was to 
be her car, they assigned a woman salesperson to us and she 
talked to my wife exclusively. I was only occasionally asked for 
input.

Problem was, it was still a car sales siituation. She asked the 
usual dumb questions: "What colour would you like?" before 
deciding on a model and when we said we were not willing to go 
over a certain figure and had agreed on a model that came to the 
exact price, they then asked if we wanted $3k over that in 
extras. Duh!

Johnny-new-car-buying-stories

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:


> Just an idea.
> 
> Johnny-wheeler-dealer


Really?

Jp-no-green-card-ergo-no-student-loan-and-two-kids

> Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a
> helicopter doing some very strange manoeuvres just overhead
> at 02:45. Just like being back in Belfast....
> 
> Kezzi-ker-nack-ered


Are you sure it was a helicopter and not aliens pretending o be 
a helicopter? It's difficult to tell the difference in the dark 
you know.

Johnny-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop

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It's going to break a record here today, they say, for heat and 
humidity. So don't bother coming here to get away from your 
heat.

I think I'll take the family to see Fantastic Four this evening. 
They keep the theatres like refridgerators here.

Johnny-cool-so-long-as-the-a/c-holds-out

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The Traveller wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:M3PAe.167249$t07.61343@fe12.lga...
> 
> You could cut the testosterone
> 
>>in the air with a knife. So I sacked that accountant and got another one.
>>Jp
> 
> 
> He had no reason for being uhflig, Jp.
> 
> Edith.
> 
> 

I know. I sensed his uhfligness the minute I saw him.

Jp

The Traveller wrote:


> 
> I've never changed a tire. I tried once and couldn't get the nuts off.
> 
> Nutty Edith
> 
> 

I have. An RAC instructor showed me how and I did it!

Jp

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

> It's going to break a record here today, they say, for heat and 
> humidity. So don't bother coming here to get away from your 
> heat.
> 
> I think I'll take the family to see Fantastic Four this evening. 
> They keep the theatres like refridgerators here.


We've hit 32 outside but I'm still around 26 without the AC (11 am) but 
it will have to go on as the day progresses.

So steer clear of here, too.

Jp

> But a chopper overhead here wouldn't be seen nor heard by
> you would it? 
> 
> I'm in my office right now and it's much cooler with the
> North-facing picture window but I'm starting to feel really
> tired. My mind is wandering. Not going to get much done
> today. 
> 
>> .... and now it's heating up again...
> 
> It is.... I've just checked the thermometer outside on the
> rear wall and it's 32C already.
> 
> Kez. . . 


32C (89.6F) in North-west England. That's grand.

Here's our official forecast:

Sunny with cloudy periods. Risk of a thunderstorm late this 
afternoon. High 34 (93F). UV index 9 or very high.

It's only mid-morning here and 25C (77F). We should hit the peak 
mid-afternoon. Yesterday was 33.4C at the peak, which was 1.4 
over the predicted 32C. So we might come close to the old 
benchmark of 100F (37.8C) today.

Johnny-fun-with-conversions


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> I'm afraid the sweat
> running down my arms will cause a short in my keyboard....

> ally -melting 


Ignoring the charming imagery of your message, I would like you 
to stop worrying about shorting out your keyboard. It's a low-
voltage device that would not give you a harmful shock even if 
your scenario came to pass.

So get back to work.

Johnny-cool-and-dry

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> Just been and checked the outside temp again. 36C!!! It's
> so bright out there I dazzled myself, came in, trod on the
> dog who's lying in the shade, and got bitten on the foot.
> Good job he's old and toothless!! 
> 
> Kezzi-going-to-bake-for-20-minutes. 


Is it really 36C or is your thermometer in the direct sunlight? 
That's amazing if it is.

Johnny-impressed

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"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
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>

>
> Just been and checked the outside temp again. 36C!!! It's so bright out 
> there I dazzled myself, came in, trod on the dog who's lying in the shade, 
> and got bitten on the foot. Good job he's old and toothless!!
>

I've just finished laying that ^%$_*$$ carpet in the hall in all this 
heat. One of those jobs that I just couldn't leave 'til later, 
unfortunately. I'm not very good at laying carpets. The edges are all 
wiggly. Oh well. It looks a lot better than the old one, that's for sure.

And now I've noticed the grass needs cutting. Rather urgently. I wonder if 
the neighbours would mind if I cut the grass about 11pm when it's a bit 
cooler? (Yes, they would.... huh...)

No.... I'm not going out there.... No....!

ally

Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:

>> Just been and checked the outside temp again. 36C!!!
>>
>> Kezzi-going-to-bake-for-20-minutes.
>
> Is it really 36C or is your thermometer in the direct sunlight?
> That's amazing if it is.
>
> Johnny-impressed


In the direct sunlight.... just where I sit! I put it in the shade and it 
read 29C. Who cares... 'Tis gorgeous and I'm going nicely brown!! Well - not 
right now 'cos I'm catching up with the work I shoulda done when I was 
sunbathing. Shall finish in....... 10 minutes!!

Kez-called-it-a-day. . .

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> I'm afraid the sweat
>> running down my arms will cause a short in my keyboard....
>
>> ally -melting
>
> Ignoring the charming imagery of your message, I would like you
> to stop worrying about shorting out your keyboard. It's a low-
> voltage device that would not give you a harmful shock even if
> your scenario came to pass.
>

Yeah, I know this actually, but it seemed a slightly amusing thing to say at 
the time.

When my mum lived in India back in the 1930s - in Bombay (or Mumbai as it's 
now called) - she was an English teacher - she found the sweat running down 
her arms made the ink on her student's papers run when she was marking them. 
I guess compared to the temperatures she experienced, a day like this would 
be pleasantly cool...

....still too hot for me, though...

ally-roll-on-October

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:7BOAe.59453>

> Sweat, oh sweat. All those lovely sleepless men lying sweating all night.
> Everything stiffens here, Ally, all year 'round, but I wouldn't try 
> hanging
> them on a cothes line, like.


Grumpy old men who haven't had enough sleep, you mean.


>
> I think I'll go take in some more sun now. Who needs Spain.
>


I'll have Norway any day over Spain. Nicer climate and the Norwegians don't 
stick spears in bulls as a fun pastime either.

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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> I used to do that in Aberdeen, in the summer. Here it's not the done thing 
> to hang out your washing - especially your smalls. I think it's a snobby 
> thing, too, as I have heard comments about it occurring in "parts of 
> Brooklyn, forty years ago". The Korean lady two doors down scandalised my 
> neighbour by hanging her *underwear* out. My mother-in-law drives me crazy 
> by doing the same when she comes to stay. I've tried to explain, but her 
> British resolve is immutable, and a clean pair is defiantly hoisted up on 
> the line every day, like a Union Jack on the 4th of July. I hang out 
> towels and sheets. But the air's not so sweet and the wind doesn't fluff 
> them the same way as the North Sea wind.


How do people dry things, then? They don't stuff them all in tumble dryers, 
do they? But somehow I can't visualise an old-fashioned pulley in a swanky 
Manhatten appartment...

ally

>
> Yes and yes and I hang everything out in the summer. Doh! I don't care who
> see me knickers. Cors, like, yours being like big green
> tents.................like.
>

A big green tent sounds like a pleasant place to be on a hot afternoon, 
actually.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:XoQAe.59465>

> They bathe in the sea up there, Ally. in the summers the fells are thick
> with massive great  midges. I imagine they get their clothes dry easily.


I'd love to go fjord-swimming in the arctic (in summer, anyway). Safer 
underwater if you want to avoid midges.

>
> Titter. I broke my clothes off the line at Espa many a time-before tumble
> dryers were invented.
>

I remember cracking the old terry towelling nappies off the clothes line in 
Penicuik.

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
news:DpPAe.167261$t07.125186@fe12.lga...

>>
> I bought new wiper blades at our local "Pep Boys" auto parts and service 
> store, and was told to bring my car round to the service bay, where they 
> were fitted for me at no extra charge, and it was explained that most 
> ladies expected this. (Most American women have impeccable manicures).
>
> When I had a problem with pressure in one of my tyres, my next door and 
> across-the-road (male) neighbours and one male passer-by walking a dog 
> asked me if I needed any help, even though I had an electric pump on the 
> go.
>

It's quite tempting just to let all these helpful people get on with it, 
isn't it?

I got the most offers for help with my car when I was pregant. Nothing makes 
a man come rushing over faster than the sight of a heavily pregant woman 
trying to push a car out of a snowdrift....

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
>>
>> I've never changed a tire. I tried once and couldn't get the nuts off.
>>
>> Nutty Edith
>>
>>
> I have. An RAC instructor showed me how and I did it!
>

I have done it many a time. I hate - HATE - changing tyres and I'm perfectly 
happy to swallow my pride and let just about anyone volunteer to do it for 
me.

I've also replaced air filters, alternators, points and plugs; installed a 
new electric petrol pump (which involved several journeys by bike and bus to 
the parts' shop in the middle of the job when the car was temporarily 
incapacitated) and done many other horrible oily jobs on my old bangers.

I've done a lot of work on cars - enough to know I seriously dislike doing 
it. Some of us are cut out for working at a computer, others for working 
under cars. It has nothing to do with one's gender.

ally-just-remembered-car-due-a-service

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:oDOAe.59455>

> I never get treated like that. I just put my evil eyes on em and they
> sharpen up. I'm a demon.
>
> Edith-looks em in the eye. 8o)
>

Having one's eye caught by a sun goddess would surely be enough to turn most 
men into heaps of quivering jelly.

ally

a l l y wrote:


> 
> 
> How do people dry things, then? They don't stuff them all in tumble dryers, 
> do they? But somehow I can't visualise an old-fashioned pulley in a swanky 
> Manhatten appartment...
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Yes, they stuff them in driers, and dry their smaller delicates on top 
of the warm drier, and on clothes racks  in the basement, which is where 
most folks have their washer and drier. Those two items are almost 
always sold with the house. A friend of mine has a lovely new house, 
with a laundry upstairs, next to the bedrooms - the perfect, sensible 
place for it.

Jp

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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> Problem was, it was still a car sales siituation. She asked the
> usual dumb questions: "What colour would you like?" before
> deciding on a model and when we said we were not willing to go
> over a certain figure and had agreed on a model that came to the
> exact price, they then asked if we wanted $3k over that in
> extras. Duh!
>

I've never had a new car. No-one's every offered me a choice of colour. I'd 
be stumped. It's not something I take into consideration when I buy a car.

Hmm. Black would be kinda groovy...but it'd get awfully hot inside on a day 
like this. Red is too common. White shows the dirt... Grey is invisible 
against a grey road surface.... Yellow would be nice but hard to re-sell... 
I had a dark blue car once and it depressed me.... I think it'd have to be 
green - a nice soft green, or a metallic sort of green, but not too dark... 
grass green maybe.

Why don't they print patterns all over cars? I'm just visualising a car 
painted to look like a grassy meadow.... Well, it would be somewhat 
expensive, I suppose, but you'd think rich people might do it.... I would... 
If I ever get rich, you'll know me by my grassy car...

ally-heat-affecting-brain

a l l y wrote:


> I remember cracking the old terry towelling nappies off the clothes line in 
> Penicuik.
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Aye, and they were stiff as boards in Aiberdeen an'all. Poor wee babies. 
Thank goodness for Pampers.

Jp

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>
> A few years ago, I used to do Mr Pinny's books for him (to make money to 
> buy pins and ribbons and other frip-frapperies that my sex like to buy) so 
> that he could concentrate on doing what he did well, which is sorting out 
> other folks' computer systems. I knew all about double-entry bookkeeping 
> and grew knowledgeable about PAYE and Employer's and Employee's NI 
> Contributions, VAT and Corporation tax and recorded everything in glorious 
> Quicken. When the accountant came to call, we would all sit down and the 
> two men would talk over my head as if I wasn't there and let me make the 
> coffee. You could cut the testosterone in the air with a knife. So I 
> sacked that accountant and got another one.



Grrrrrrrrrr....

ally

>>
> Sounds nice. My son saw a gorgeous cock pheasant last night, at the Soccer 
> Park, less than half an hour from New York City!
>
> The fireflies have returned to suburbia. Our hedges and bushes are alive 
> with them! One moment they're there, like a tiny spark, and then they're 
> gone.
>
> In the next few weeks, the cicadas will start their chirrupping in the 
> trees. It's "chi-chi-chi-chi" day and night as the summer digs in and I 
> will start to yearn to be in England.
>
>

Coming out of Maryport late at night I saw something on the road in front, 
and slowed down (as there was hardly any traffic) and found The World's 
Stupidest Rabbit in front of me. I mean, I know rabbits have a habit of 
allowing themselves to be chased by a car, but usually if you stop and turn 
your headlights off and give them a wee chance, they make off into the 
shrubbery as fast as their little heels will carry them. Certainly there's a 
lack of shrubbery outside Netherhall School, but that was no excuse for the 
bunny to stop in the middle of the road, right in front of my car, and sit 
down, sort of preening itself and gazing aimlessly about itself. I tried 
flashing the headlight, honking the horn, shouting, but to no avail. I was 
just getting Steve to get out and chase it when another car appeared from 
the other direction. TWSR sat still while the other car passed, and it was 
only the slipstream that seemed to get it moving again, though in no hurry 
whatsover.

That rabbit has no idea how lucky it is that I am *now* a vegetarian, 
otherwise..... :-))

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
>
> >
> > I've never changed a tire. I tried once and couldn't get the nuts off.
> >
> > Nutty Edith
> >
> >
> I have. An RAC instructor showed me how and I did it!
>
> Jp


I thik I know how, Jp. First I would jack up the car on the hard bits
underneath. Then I would use that cross thing to screw the nuts off my
teacher, oops! Then I would pull the puntured wheel off, put the new wheel
on, screw the nuts again, then drive off and get a new puncture.

I'm good.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> >>
> > Sounds nice. My son saw a gorgeous cock pheasant last night, at the
Soccer
> > Park, less than half an hour from New York City!


Is it in your freezer now?

> >
> > The fireflies have returned to suburbia. Our hedges and bushes are alive
> > with them! One moment they're there, like a tiny spark, and then they're
> > gone.
> >
> > In the next few weeks, the cicadas will start their chirrupping in the
> > trees. It's "chi-chi-chi-chi" day and night as the summer digs in and I
> > will start to yearn to be in England.


Well at least I know you can dep frie them and eat them, eh?

> >
> Coming out of Maryport late at night I saw something on the road in front,
> and slowed down (as there was hardly any traffic) and found The World's
> Stupidest Rabbit in front of me. I mean, I know rabbits have a habit of
> allowing themselves to be chased by a car, but usually if you stop and
turn
> your headlights off and give them a wee chance, they make off into the
> shrubbery as fast as their little heels will carry them. Certainly there's
a
> lack of shrubbery outside Netherhall School, but that was no excuse for
the
> bunny to stop in the middle of the road, right in front of my car, and sit
> down, sort of preening itself and gazing aimlessly about itself. I tried
> flashing the headlight, honking the horn, shouting, but to no avail. I was
> just getting Steve to get out and chase it when another car appeared from
> the other direction. TWSR sat still while the other car passed, and it was
> only the slipstream that seemed to get it moving again, though in no hurry
> whatsover.
>
> That rabbit has no idea how lucky it is that I am *now* a vegetarian,
> otherwise..... :-))
>
> ally
>
>

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> >>
> > Sounds nice. My son saw a gorgeous cock pheasant last night, at the
Soccer
> > Park, less than half an hour from New York City!
> >
> > The fireflies have returned to suburbia. Our hedges and bushes are alive
> > with them! One moment they're there, like a tiny spark, and then they're
> > gone.
> >
> > In the next few weeks, the cicadas will start their chirrupping in the
> > trees. It's "chi-chi-chi-chi" day and night as the summer digs in and I
> > will start to yearn to be in England.
> >
> >
> Coming out of Maryport late at night I saw something on the road in front,
> and slowed down (as there was hardly any traffic) and found The World's
> Stupidest Rabbit in front of me. I mean, I know rabbits have a habit of
> allowing themselves to be chased by a car, but usually if you stop and
turn
> your headlights off and give them a wee chance, they make off into the
> shrubbery as fast as their little heels will carry them. Certainly there's
a
> lack of shrubbery outside Netherhall School, but that was no excuse for
the
> bunny to stop in the middle of the road, right in front of my car, and sit
> down, sort of preening itself and gazing aimlessly about itself. I tried
> flashing the headlight, honking the horn, shouting, but to no avail. I was
> just getting Steve to get out and chase it when another car appeared from
> the other direction. TWSR sat still while the other car passed, and it was
> only the slipstream that seemed to get it moving again, though in no hurry
> whatsover.
>
> That rabbit has no idea how lucky it is that I am *now* a vegetarian,
> otherwise..... :-))
>
> ally


Rabbit pie for gawdsake.

Edith Surviver-and can clean fish.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42d3d7b2$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> > Problem was, it was still a car sales siituation. She asked the
> > usual dumb questions: "What colour would you like?" before
> > deciding on a model and when we said we were not willing to go
> > over a certain figure and had agreed on a model that came to the
> > exact price, they then asked if we wanted $3k over that in
> > extras. Duh!
> >
> I've never had a new car. No-one's every offered me a choice of colour.
I'd
> be stumped. It's not something I take into consideration when I buy a car.
>
> Hmm. Black would be kinda groovy...but it'd get awfully hot inside on a
day
> like this. Red is too common. White shows the dirt... Grey is invisible
> against a grey road surface.... Yellow would be nice but hard to
re-sell...
> I had a dark blue car once and it depressed me.... I think it'd have to be
> green - a nice soft green, or a metallic sort of green, but not too
dark...
> grass green maybe.
>
> Why don't they print patterns all over cars? I'm just visualising a car
> painted to look like a grassy meadow.... Well, it would be somewhat
> expensive, I suppose, but you'd think rich people might do it.... I
would...
> If I ever get rich, you'll know me by my grassy car...
>
> ally-heat-affecting-brain


I have only bought one car in my life and that was a maroon Volvo, station
wagon (my X sold it for a Chevy van :0( and then I had to steal the Chevy
away once in a while, until he started removing the rotor and taking it away
with him, sod, on his adventures. Otherwise I have always driven other
peoples' cars, mainly while they sat in the back seat drinking. I don't do
that any more. Wish I had a car, tho'

Edith-tired of pedaling but much more sophisticated.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> a l l y wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > How do people dry things, then? They don't stuff them all in tumble
dryers,
> > do they? But somehow I can't visualise an old-fashioned pulley in a
swanky
> > Manhatten appartment...
> >
> > ally
> >
> >
> Yes, they stuff them in driers, and dry their smaller delicates on top
> of the warm drier, and on clothes racks  in the basement, which is where
> most folks have their washer and drier. Those two items are almost
> always sold with the house. A friend of mine has a lovely new house,
> with a laundry upstairs, next to the bedrooms - the perfect, sensible
> place for it.
>
> Jp


Until you get a leak, oh bugga.

Those old pullies are absolutely fascinating. I want one-an old one. I'll
hang flowers on it, out on the -wait for it - wait for it..yes! yes!
ver..................

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:oDOAe.59455>
> > I never get treated like that. I just put my evil eyes on em and they
> > sharpen up. I'm a demon.
> >
> > Edith-looks em in the eye. 8o)
> >
> Having one's eye caught by a sun goddess would surely be enough to turn
most
> men into heaps of quivering jelly.
>
> ally


I've had my moment but i've lost my devious scheming touch these days. it's
a - you get what you see, take it or leave it, kinda thing now.

Satisfied Edith.

Will you be going to The Maryport Blues Festival this year, A and S?

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:IUQAe.4129$IU1.602@fe11.lga...
> > The Traveller wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I've never changed a tire. I tried once and couldn't get the nuts off.
> >>
> >> Nutty Edith
> >>
> >>
> > I have. An RAC instructor showed me how and I did it!
> >
> I have done it many a time. I hate - HATE - changing tyres and I'm
perfectly
> happy to swallow my pride and let just about anyone volunteer to do it for
> me.
>
> I've also replaced air filters, alternators, points and plugs; installed a
> new electric petrol pump (which involved several journeys by bike and bus
to
> the parts' shop in the middle of the job when the car was temporarily
> incapacitated) and done many other horrible oily jobs on my old bangers.
>
> I've done a lot of work on cars - enough to know I seriously dislike doing
> it. Some of us are cut out for working at a computer, others for working
> under cars. It has nothing to do with one's gender.
>
> ally-just-remembered-car-due-a-service


I'm almost glad I don't have a jallopy. I'm still looking for where the
bl.... rotor should have been.

Edith-pumped up her pushbike wheels yesterday-all by herself.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> >
> > Yes and yes and I hang everything out in the summer. Doh! I don't care
who
> > see me knickers. Cors, like, yours being like big green
> > tents.................like.
> >
> A big green tent sounds like a pleasant place to be on a hot afternoon,
> actually.
>
> ally


I. Gowon then. Go walk a clothes line.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:7BOAe.59453>
> > Sweat, oh sweat. All those lovely sleepless men lying sweating all
night.
> > Everything stiffens here, Ally, all year 'round, but I wouldn't try
> > hanging
> > them on a cothes line, like.
>
> Grumpy old men who haven't had enough sleep, you mean.
>
> >
> > I think I'll go take in some more sun now. Who needs Spain.
> >
>
> I'll have Norway any day over Spain. Nicer climate and the Norwegians
don't
> stick spears in bulls as a fun pastime either.
>
> ally


Nor throw goats out of second floor windows-Gees!

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:DpPAe.167261$t07.125186@fe12.lga...
> >>
> > I bought new wiper blades at our local "Pep Boys" auto parts and service
> > store, and was told to bring my car round to the service bay, where they
> > were fitted for me at no extra charge, and it was explained that most
> > ladies expected this. (Most American women have impeccable manicures).
> >
> > When I had a problem with pressure in one of my tyres, my next door and
> > across-the-road (male) neighbours and one male passer-by walking a dog
> > asked me if I needed any help, even though I had an electric pump on the
> > go.
> >
> It's quite tempting just to let all these helpful people get on with it,
> isn't it?
>
> I got the most offers for help with my car when I was pregant. Nothing
makes
> a man come rushing over faster than the sight of a heavily pregant woman
> trying to push a car out of a snowdrift....
>
> ally


That's it. In with the cushion.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42d3e1f7$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> >> I'm afraid the sweat
> >> running down my arms will cause a short in my keyboard....
> >
> >> ally -melting
> >
> > Ignoring the charming imagery of your message, I would like you
> > to stop worrying about shorting out your keyboard. It's a low-
> > voltage device that would not give you a harmful shock even if
> > your scenario came to pass.
> >
> Yeah, I know this actually, but it seemed a slightly amusing thing to say
at
> the time.
>
> When my mum lived in India back in the 1930s - in Bombay (or Mumbai as
it's
> now called) - she was an English teacher - she found the sweat running
down
> her arms made the ink on her student's papers run when she was marking
them.
> I guess compared to the temperatures she experienced, a day like this
would
> be pleasantly cool...
>
> ...still too hot for me, though...
>
> ally-roll-on-October


My Father was in India many years. Wonder if they knew each other.

Edith Sergeant's daughter.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Just been and checked the outside temp again. 36C!!! It's
> > so bright out there I dazzled myself, came in, trod on the
> > dog who's lying in the shade, and got bitten on the foot.
> > Good job he's old and toothless!!
> >
> > Kezzi-going-to-bake-for-20-minutes.
>
> Is it really 36C or is your thermometer in the direct sunlight?
> That's amazing if it is.
>
> Johnny-impressed


26 here.

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> The Traveller wrote:
> > "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> > news:M3PAe.167249$t07.61343@fe12.lga...
> >
> > You could cut the testosterone
> >
> >>in the air with a knife. So I sacked that accountant and got another
one.
> >>Jp
> >
> >
> > He had no reason for being uhflig, Jp.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >
> I know. I sensed his uhfligness the minute I saw him.
>
> Jp


Pig!

Edith.

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> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
>
> > Just an idea.
> >
> > Johnny-wheeler-dealer
>
> Really?
>
> Jp-no-green-card-ergo-no-student-loan-and-two-kids
>

Come home lass.

Edith

> How do people dry things, then? They don't stuff them all
> in tumble dryers, do they?


Yup. We do here. It maybe 34C but it's 100% humidity out there.

Except in winter when just hanging them in the basement will dry 
them in a few minutes because the air is desert-dry.


> But somehow I can't visualise an
> old-fashioned pulley in a swanky Manhatten appartment...
> 
> ally 


They'd probably be stolen...

Johnny-speculating-on-Manhatten-laundry-practices

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>> Sounds nice. My son saw a gorgeous cock pheasant last
>> night, at the Soccer Park, less than half an hour from New
>> York City! 
> Coming out of Maryport late at night I saw something on the
> road in front, and slowed down (as there was hardly any
> traffic) and found The World's Stupidest Rabbit in front of
> me. I mean, I know rabbits have a habit of allowing
> themselves to be chased by a car, but usually if you stop
> and turn your headlights off and give them a wee chance,
> they make off into the shrubbery as fast as their little
> heels will carry them. Certainly there's a lack of
> shrubbery outside Netherhall School, but that was no excuse
> for the bunny to stop in the middle of the road, right in
> front of my car, and sit down, sort of preening itself and
> gazing aimlessly about itself. I tried flashing the
> headlight, honking the horn, shouting, but to no avail. I
> was just getting Steve to get out and chase it when another
> car appeared from the other direction. TWSR sat still while
> the other car passed, and it was only the slipstream that
> seemed to get it moving again, though in no hurry 
> whatsover. 
> 
> That rabbit has no idea how lucky it is that I am *now* a
> vegetarian, otherwise..... :-))
> 
> ally 


I saw that same rabbit down near Sedbergh in April sitting in 
the middle of a road there.

Johnny-hare-raising-tales

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> Really?
> 
> Jp-no-green-card-ergo-no-student-loan-and-two-kids


Really. We buy equipment this way. Three to five year loans, 
completely flexible-to-our-needs payments. It's great.

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> Yes, they stuff them in driers, and dry their smaller
> delicates on top of the warm drier, and on clothes racks 
> in the basement, which is where most folks have their
> washer and drier. Those two items are almost always sold
> with the house. A friend of mine has a lovely new house, 
> with a laundry upstairs, next to the bedrooms - the
> perfect, sensible place for it.
> 
> Jp


In fact there are no new house designs I know of with the 
washer/dryer in the basement anymore. Having them on the same 
floor where the laundry is generated make so much sense it has 
actually caught on! It only took a century or two to figure that 
out.

Johnny-proud-North-American

 


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> In the direct sunlight.... just where I sit! I put it in
> the shade and it read 29C. Who cares... 'Tis gorgeous and
> I'm going nicely brown!! Well - not right now 'cos I'm
> catching up with the work I shoulda done when I was 
> sunbathing. Shall finish in....... 10 minutes!! 
> 
> Kez-called-it-a-day. . . 


I agree. 29 is mighty fine.

Johnny-at-only-30C-at-3pm
PS not going to break the record methinks!

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> 26 here.
> 
> Edith.


26 stone?!?!?!

Johnny-shocked

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> I bought new wiper blades at our local "Pep Boys" auto
> parts and service 
>    store, and was told to bring my car round to the service
>    bay, where 
> they were fitted for me at no extra charge, and it was
> explained that most ladies expected this. (Most American
> women have impeccable manicures). 
> 
> When I had a problem with pressure in one of my tyres, my
> next door and across-the-road (male) neighbours and one
> male passer-by walking a dog asked me if I needed any help,
> even though I had an electric pump on the go. 
> 
> Jp


Maybe you looked funny. Maybe they thought you didn't know how 
to use the pump properly.

Johnny-stir-it-up

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> I have. An RAC instructor showed me how and I did it!
> 
> Jp


What's that got to do with changing tires?


Johnny-lame-jokes-r-us

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>Yes, they stuff them in driers, and dry their smaller
>>delicates on top of the warm drier, and on clothes racks 
>>in the basement, which is where most folks have their
>>washer and drier. Those two items are almost always sold
>>with the house. A friend of mine has a lovely new house, 
>>with a laundry upstairs, next to the bedrooms - the
>>perfect, sensible place for it.
>>
>>Jp
> 
> 
> In fact there are no new house designs I know of with the 
> washer/dryer in the basement anymore. Having them on the same 
> floor where the laundry is generated make so much sense it has 
> actually caught on! It only took a century or two to figure that 
> out.
> 
> Johnny-proud-North-American
> 


They couldn't have done that before they had tumble driers which didn't 
arrive until the twentieth century. They had to hang wet clothes on a 
line and iron them or air them. So they were washed close to where they 
were going to hang to dry, because wet fabrics weigh a ton.

People ironed lots of things and had airing cupboards (remember such 
things!), and they were located upstairs, often next to the bathroom, 
and the source of lovely, warm towels.

In the Netherlands it is commonplace to have your washer and drier up in 
the attic! On a nice day, you can hang your clothes on a clothes horse 
(rack) next to an open Velux roof window, and they dry really nicely. 
Basements and cellars are very rare in Holland, due to its being several 
metres below sea level.

Jp

Amateur Laundry Historian & Laundry athropologist

> I've done a lot of work on cars - enough to know I
> seriously dislike doing it. Some of us are cut out for
> working at a computer, others for working under cars. It
> has nothing to do with one's gender. 
> 
> ally-just-remembered-car-due-a-service 


Ally? Could you just pop around and help me get these new PC's 
set up and running? I haven't got any spare time.

Johnny-overworked

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> I'm almost glad I don't have a jallopy. I'm still looking
> for where the bl.... rotor should have been.
> 
> Edith-pumped up her pushbike wheels yesterday-all by
> herself. 


I just heard on the radio that the French are re-introducing the 
'Solex' bicycle - you know - the bikes with little motors that 
go 23 mph and you have to peddle a bit to go up hills?

You should look into getting one Edith. With a basket on the 
handebars, of course.

Johnny-helpful-advice

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>Really?
>>
>>Jp-no-green-card-ergo-no-student-loan-and-two-kids
> 
> 
> Really. We buy equipment this way. Three to five year loans, 
> completely flexible-to-our-needs payments. It's great.
> 
> Johnny-really


The thing about banks and credit cards is anonymity. The Bank Manager 
doesn't give a tuppenny toot about your funds or lack of them, and 
MasterCard last month sent me an extremely snotty letter about my not 
having sent them the lofty sum of six pounds and fifty pence that I owed 
them, which was true, but not worth the effort to be rude. Nobody 
actually bothered to sit down and think "This is a miserable delinquent, 
she needs her knuckles rapping, and her credit limit cutting, because 
she is seven pounds in arrears!" If I owed someone real seven pounds, 
I'd actually care. (They sent me my bill by second class snail mail from 
England. What do they expect?)

Jp

> They couldn't have done that before they had tumble driers
> which didn't arrive until the twentieth century. They had
> to hang wet clothes on a line and iron them or air them. So
> they were washed close to where they were going to hang to
> dry, because wet fabrics weigh a ton. 
> 
> People ironed lots of things and had airing cupboards
> (remember such things!), and they were located upstairs,
> often next to the bathroom, and the source of lovely, warm
> towels. 
> 
> In the Netherlands it is commonplace to have your washer
> and drier up in the attic! On a nice day, you can hang your
> clothes on a clothes horse (rack) next to an open Velux
> roof window, and they dry really nicely. Basements and
> cellars are very rare in Holland, due to its being several 
> metres below sea level.
> 
> Jp
> 
> Amateur Laundry Historian & Laundry athropologist


OK So not a couple of hundred years. But certainly since the 
fifties.

Johnny-only-been-around-since-the-fifties

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> The thing about banks and credit cards is anonymity. The
> Bank Manager doesn't give a tuppenny toot about your funds
> or lack of them, and MasterCard last month sent me an
> extremely snotty letter about my not having sent them the
> lofty sum of six pounds and fifty pence that I owed them,
> which was true, but not worth the effort to be rude. Nobody
> actually bothered to sit down and think "This is a
> miserable delinquent, she needs her knuckles rapping, and
> her credit limit cutting, because she is seven pounds in
> arrears!" If I owed someone real seven pounds, I'd actually
> care. (They sent me my bill by second class snail mail from
> England. What do they expect?)
> 
> Jp


But of course one cares about making payments on time etc to 
real people. Us excellent citizens want to make our payments to 
banks on time too. The problem is they don't appreciate years of 
doing everything perfectly. You pay a real person back promptly 
for a few years and they'll understand when a payment gets lost 
in the mail. They might even assume it must be lost in the mail 
because they know you always pay on time. A bank would run your 
credit rating down in two seconds without checking the facts 
first.

One of our lenders invites us out to their place for a home-
cooked farm-fresh lunch whenever we are looking for more money. 
Try getting a great meal out of a bank.

Johnny-unconventional-banking-advocate

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:48:58 +0200, The Traveller wrote:


> Those old pullies are absolutely fascinating. I want one-an old one. 
> I'll hang flowers on it, out on the -wait for it - wait for it..yes! 
> yes! ver..................


You mean a couple of metal frames and some timber bars between them, 
otherwise known as an airer?

http://www.thegoodcook.co.uk/airers.htm

The parts are also available in Althams, Penrith.

-- 
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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

a l l y wrote:


> How do people dry things, then? They don't stuff them all in tumble dryers, 
> do they? But somehow I can't visualise an old-fashioned pulley in a swanky 
> Manhatten appartment...
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Actually, an old-fashioned pulley would be perfect in a swanky 
apartment, and I can visualise them hanging butcher's hooks from it and 
dangling their expensive stainless steel pans 'n things and bunches of 
garlic from it, if not their socks.

Our friends live in a titchy small apartment in a building on Wall 
Street and share a small laundry with washers and driers, with the other 
tenants on the same floor.

Jp

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> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:48:58 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>
> > Those old pullies are absolutely fascinating. I want one-an old one.
> > I'll hang flowers on it, out on the -wait for it - wait for it..yes!
> > yes! ver..................
>
> You mean a couple of metal frames and some timber bars between them,
> otherwise known as an airer?
>
> http://www.thegoodcook.co.uk/airers.htm
>
> The parts are also available in Althams, Penrith.
>
> --
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> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Thank you, Dave. That was really a nice link.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > The thing about banks and credit cards is anonymity. The
> > Bank Manager doesn't give a tuppenny toot about your funds
> > or lack of them, and MasterCard last month sent me an
> > extremely snotty letter about my not having sent them the
> > lofty sum of six pounds and fifty pence that I owed them,
> > which was true, but not worth the effort to be rude. Nobody
> > actually bothered to sit down and think "This is a
> > miserable delinquent, she needs her knuckles rapping, and
> > her credit limit cutting, because she is seven pounds in
> > arrears!" If I owed someone real seven pounds, I'd actually
> > care. (They sent me my bill by second class snail mail from
> > England. What do they expect?)
> >
> > Jp
>
> But of course one cares about making payments on time etc to
> real people. Us excellent citizens want to make our payments to
> banks on time too. The problem is they don't appreciate years of
> doing everything perfectly. You pay a real person back promptly
> for a few years and they'll understand when a payment gets lost
> in the mail. They might even assume it must be lost in the mail
> because they know you always pay on time. A bank would run your
> credit rating down in two seconds without checking the facts
> first.
>
> One of our lenders invites us out to their place for a home-
> cooked farm-fresh lunch whenever we are looking for more money.
> Try getting a great meal out of a bank.
>
> Johnny-unconventional-banking-advocate


Will they lend me some money?

Edith, just asking.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:44:34 +0100, a l l y wrote:


> ... no excuse for the bunny to stop in the middle of the road, right 
> in front of my car, and sit down, sort of preening itself and gazing 
> aimlessly about itself. I tried flashing the headlight, honking the 
> horn, shouting, but to no avail. 


I've seen the odd rabbit behave like that. Investigation showed the 
poor thing to be blind from Myximitosis and probably not long for this 
world.

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:11:59 퍝, a l l y wrote:


> I've just finished laying that ^%£$_*$£$ carpet in the hall in all> this heat. One of those jobs that I just couldn't leave 'til later, 
> unfortunately. I'm not very good at laying carpets. The edges are 
> all wiggly. Oh well. 


Aw ally, I was hoping you were going to be our resident expert carpet 
layer so I could pick your brains about how to trim the edges so they 
are just the right length to tuck between the gripper and skirting and 
not be wiggly.

I've only done carpet twice, the first one is a bit of a mess but just 
about acceptable. The second much better as far a wigglelessness is 
concerned but there are few places with rather too much carpet in the 
gap...

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:11:59 +0100, a l l y wrote:


>> I've just finished laying that ^%$_*$$ carpet in the hall in all
>> this heat. One of those jobs that I just couldn't leave 'til later,
>> unfortunately. I'm not very good at laying carpets. The edges are
>> all wiggly. Oh well.

>Aw ally, I was hoping you were going to be our resident expert carpet
>layer so I could pick your brains about how to trim the edges so they
>are just the right length to tuck between the gripper and skirting and
>not be wiggly.

>I've only done carpet twice, the first one is a bit of a mess but just
>about acceptable. The second much better as far a wigglelessness is
>concerned but there are few places with rather too much carpet in the
>gap...


Steve has figured out a way to hide the gaps round the edges. You keep all 
the offcuts and cut long thin strips which you insert with a bit of copydex 
into the gap. Once the glue is dry it's more or less invisible.

We haven't got any gripper. Maybe that's where I'm going wrong but I won't 
use the stuff. I have painful memories of the time, in the midst of some DIY 
project or other, I pulled up the edges of a carpet and knelt on those wee 
spikes before I realised they were there. They also tend to make the floor 
level uneven so that things like bookcases fall over on their fronts unless 
you pack bits of cardboard under their fronts.

ally-no-expert-on-carpets

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:izTAe.59496>

> My Father was in India many years. Wonder if they knew each other.
>
> Edith Sergeant's daughter.
>

Which part of India was he in? I've got ancestors on both sides of the 
family who wound up there at some point. As well as my mum -and her 
parents - my dad's dad served in the Gordon Highlanders on the North West 
Frontier.

ally-colonial's-daughter

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
news:LvTAe.59494$Fe7.194608@news000.worldonline.dk...

>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3ji8t3Fpo2neU3@individual.net...
>>
>> >
>> > Yes and yes and I hang everything out in the summer. Doh! I don't care
> who
>> > see me knickers. Cors, like, yours being like big green
>> > tents.................like.
>> >
>> A big green tent sounds like a pleasant place to be on a hot afternoon,
>> actually.
>>
>> ally
>
> I. Gowon then. Go walk a clothes line.
>

When we were kids we used to make tents by throwing a big sheet over a 
clothes line and weighing it down round the edges with stones. I bet you did 
that too, Edith!

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
news:sjSAe.11227$js.4524@fe10.lga...

>>
> Yes, they stuff them in driers, and dry their smaller delicates on top of 
> the warm drier, and on clothes racks  in the basement, which is where most 
> folks have their washer and drier. Those two items are almost always sold 
> with the house. A friend of mine has a lovely new house, with a laundry 
> upstairs, next to the bedrooms - the perfect, sensible place for it.
>

I really dislike using a tumble dryer, although I've got one skulking in the 
barn for emergencies. Over the course of a few sessions most of the fluff in 
the garments disappears, and you end up with thin fabric with no plushness 
left in it. T-shirts and things like that which start off soft are ruined, 
and I wouldn't let any of my towels near one even in the direst emergency.

When I first got this tumble dryer I started collecting the fluff and very 
soon had enough to stuff the Elizabethan bum-roll I was making for my 
Elizabethan dance costume. You can see by the colours of the fluff exactly 
which items have suffered most.

I miss my pulley. We had an 11 foot ceiling in our Victorian Edinburgh flat, 
with a huge pulley attached to the kitchen ceiling. Wonderful thing. Clothes 
dried overnight in there, as the central heating was fired by a solid-fuel 
stove in the same room. In the summer we hung things out in the back green, 
but had to bring them in sharpish if it rained, as they'd end up covered in 
wee black spots. (One of the things I love about Cumbria is that the rain is 
clean.)

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:ioTAe.59490>

> Those old pullies are absolutely fascinating. I want one-an old one. I'll
> hang flowers on it, out on the -wait for it - wait for it..yes! yes!
> ver..................
>

What a waste! If you have room for a pulley you have the perfect, 
environmentally-friendly dryer. Fancy hanging flowers on it!

I ask you....

ally

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijjn6y0.pminews@news.howhill.com...

> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:48:58 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>
>> Those old pullies are absolutely fascinating. I want one-an old one.
>> I'll hang flowers on it, out on the -wait for it - wait for it..yes!
>> yes! ver..................
>
> You mean a couple of metal frames and some timber bars between them,
> otherwise known as an airer?
>
> http://www.thegoodcook.co.uk/airers.htm
>
> The parts are also available in Althams, Penrith.
>

Ours wasn't quite like those. It had a wooden piece from end to end, and 
then 2 strands of rope, one on each side of the wooden piece. It was very 
big - stretched more or less the whole length of our big kitchen. The rope 
holding it up decided to break one evening, bringing the whole caboodle down 
on my head, when I was about 8 months pregnant. People who know my son nod 
wisely and say, yes, this explains a lot...

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
news:UQUAe.4161$IU1.4154@fe11.lga...

>
> In the Netherlands it is commonplace to have your washer and drier up in 
> the attic! On a nice day, you can hang your clothes on a clothes horse 
> (rack) next to an open Velux roof window, and they dry really nicely. 
> Basements and cellars are very rare in Holland, due to its being several 
> metres below sea level.
>

That sounds very sensible. I've been trying to design a winter clothes 
drying area, since our ceilings really aren't tall enough for a proper 
pulley. I thought of making a sort of shed without walls - a sort of gazebo, 
I suppose - with washing lines underneath - or even one of those rotary 
clothes airer thingies. So you could hang stuff out there and they'd be at 
least partly protected from the rain. So long as the wind wasn't too high 
things would dry out there in 2 or 3 days. OK if you're not in a hurry for a 
clean pair of knickers...

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
news:42d41b51$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...

>> I'm almost glad I don't have a jallopy. I'm still looking
>> for where the bl.... rotor should have been.
>>
>> Edith-pumped up her pushbike wheels yesterday-all by
>> herself.
>
> I just heard on the radio that the French are re-introducing the
> 'Solex' bicycle - you know - the bikes with little motors that
> go 23 mph and you have to peddle a bit to go up hills?
>

I had a moped when I was 19. It was really just meant for gentle shopping 
trips about town, but I used it for (a) exploring the Highlands and (b) 
going to drunken parties. Strangely, it didn't last very long...

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:YrTAe.59491>

> Will you be going to The Maryport Blues Festival this year, A and S?
>

Dunno. The line-up isn't as strong as last year's. No big names like Buddy 
Guy, and not even a top-rate Norwegian blues band to make up for it... Oh 
well. We haven't quite decided yet.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:rlTAe.59489>

> I have only bought one car in my life and that was a maroon Volvo, station
> wagon (my X sold it for a Chevy van :0( and then I had to steal the Chevy
> away once in a while, until he started removing the rotor and taking it 
> away
> with him, sod, on his adventures. Otherwise I have always driven other
> peoples' cars, mainly while they sat in the back seat drinking. I don't do
> that any more. Wish I had a car, tho'
>
> Edith-tired of pedaling but much more sophisticated.
>

Well at least they can't take away your licence if they catch you drunk in 
charge of a push-bike.

ally-knows-this-from-experience

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijjnp91.pminews@news.howhill.com...

> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:44:34 +0100, a l l y wrote:
>
>> ... no excuse for the bunny to stop in the middle of the road, right
>> in front of my car, and sit down, sort of preening itself and gazing
>> aimlessly about itself. I tried flashing the headlight, honking the
>> horn, shouting, but to no avail.
>
> I've seen the odd rabbit behave like that. Investigation showed the
> poor thing to be blind from Myximitosis and probably not long for this
> world.
>

Grr... The introduction of myximitosis into Britain's rabbit population must 
count amongst the evilist things humans have done...

ally

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:02:53 +0200, The Traveller wrote:


> Thank you, Dave. That was really a nice link.


Thank google and it was only picked because it had some nice pictures. 
I know nothing of the company...

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in response to Ally's


>> Coming out of Maryport late at night I saw something on the
>> road in front, and slowed down (as there was hardly any
>> traffic) and found The World's Stupidest Rabbit in front of
>> me.
>>
>> ally
>
> I saw that same rabbit down near Sedbergh in April sitting in
> the middle of a road there.
>
> Johnny-hare-raising-tales
>

I wonder if it was a relative of the same rabbit that did the same to me 
back in 1980 down at Duddon Bridge. Turned the headlights off and it still 
sat there. Got out of the car and it was still sitting there. I know they 
like to sit on the tarmac after a hot day and it might not get so lucky with 
the next car that came along so I picked it up and it pi$$ed down the front 
of my Levis. Like bleach that stuff.....

Anyway, I put it on the grass verge twice and it just hopped back into the 
road and sat in front of the car again. Then another car was coming so I 
picked it up, stuck it on the back seat and drove off. Kept it for a pet 
until the winter when it had grown so big it was a threat to the dog.

Took it back to where I found it and put it in the verge. It sat for a 
moment, pricked it's ears up, and without one look back or even a, "So long, 
and thanks for all the dandelion leaves", took off in a direction towards 
what I could only hope was homeward.....

Kezzi-and-the-first-and-last-rabbit-I-had-hold-of-that-I-never-ate. . .

a l l y wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:7BOAe.59453>
>> Sweat, oh sweat. All those lovely sleepless men lying sweating all
>> night. Everything stiffens here, Ally, all year 'round, but I
>> wouldn't try hanging
>> them on a cothes line, like.
>
> Grumpy old men who haven't had enough sleep, you mean.
>
>>
>> I think I'll go take in some more sun now. Who needs Spain.
>>
>
> I'll have Norway any day over Spain. Nicer climate and the Norwegians
> don't stick spears in bulls as a fun pastime either.


no they're like the Japs, still into sticking harpoons into whales in the
guise of scientific research.

Al



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a l l y  wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:izTAe.59496>
>> My Father was in India many years. Wonder if they knew each other.
>>
>> Edith Sergeant's daughter.
>>
> Which part of India was he in? I've got ancestors on both sides of the
> family who wound up there at some point. As well as my mum -and her
> parents - my dad's dad served in the Gordon Highlanders on the North
> West Frontier.
>
> ally-colonial's-daughter


My grandad was a Sergeant in the Delhi Mounted Police throughout the '30s 
and '40s....!

Kezzi-skullcracker's-grandson. . .

a l l y wrote:

>
> When I first got this tumble dryer I started collecting the fluff and
> very soon had enough to stuff the Elizabethan bum-roll I was making
> for my Elizabethan dance costume.


If you want to be ecologically friendly put your fluff outside on a bush
during the spring so the birds can use it for building nests.  A couple of
years ago an old nest fell out of one of the trees.  It was built partly
with shredded cheques and other stuff from my office and had fluff in the
lining.

Al



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The Traveller wrote:

>>
>>> I'd imagine the people north of the Arctic Circle can do this during
>>> the midnight sun season, or isn't it warm enough?
>
> They bathe in the sea up there,


Garrison Keiler, famous personality of Scandinavian descent, was telling the
story of some Norwegian bank robbers who disguised themselves by taking a
bath and wearing their best suit with a carnation in the lapel.

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>> Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a
>> helicopter doing some very strange manoeuvres just overhead
>> at 02:45. Just like being back in Belfast....
>>
>> Kezzi-ker-nack-ered
>
> Are you sure it was a helicopter and not aliens pretending o be
> a helicopter? It's difficult to tell the difference in the dark
> you know.
>
> Johnny-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop


leave the Italians out of it.



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Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:

>> Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a
>> helicopter doing some very strange manoeuvres just overhead
>> at 02:45. Just like being back in Belfast....
>>
>> Kezzi-ker-nack-ered
>
> Are you sure it was a helicopter and not aliens pretending o be
> a helicopter? It's difficult to tell the difference in the dark
> you know.
>
> Johnny-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop


Now then.... it had three lights in a triangular formation: red, green and 
white; hovered and then suddenly shot off (well, helicopterish-like).

Kezzi-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-whoooooosh...........!

>>Johnny-unconventional-banking-advocate
> 
> 
> Will they lend me some money?
> 
> Edith, just asking.
> 
> 


What's the guarantee on your verandah?

Jp

Alfred Packer wrote:


> Garrison Keiler, famous personality of Scandinavian descent, was telling the
> story of some Norwegian bank robbers who disguised themselves by taking a
> bath and wearing their best suit with a carnation in the lapel.
> 
> Al
> 


I first discovered Garrison Keiler on the BBC, reading excerpts from 
Bill Bryson's Notes from a Small Island.

Jp

Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:


> 
> We had the opposite experience when we went n to buy my wife's 
> new car a couple of months ago. As soon as they heard it was to 
> be her car, they assigned a woman salesperson to us and she 
> talked to my wife exclusively. I was only occasionally asked for 
> input.

Hmmmmmm

> 
> Problem was, it was still a car sales siituation. She asked the 
> usual dumb questions: "What colour would you like?" before 
> deciding on a model and when we said we were not willing to go 
> over a certain figure and had agreed on a model that came to the 
> exact price, they then asked if we wanted $3k over that in 
> extras. Duh!
> 


These sales persons don't like to walk away with their tails between 
their legs. They keep going to the bitter end.

  Mrs Johnny is a smart lady.

Why did you go with her to buy her car?

Jp

a l l y wrote:


> Grr... The introduction of myximitosis into Britain's rabbit population must 
> count amongst the evilist things humans have done...
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Well.

They can be pretty sick when it comes to their own species, specially 
those on the Piccadilly line in a confined space thirty foot below the 
ground.


Jp

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:27:01 +0100, "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote:


>Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:
>>> Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a
>>> helicopter doing some very strange manoeuvres just overhead
>>> at 02:45. Just like being back in Belfast....
>>>
>>> Kezzi-ker-nack-ered
>>
>> Are you sure it was a helicopter and not aliens pretending o be
>> a helicopter? It's difficult to tell the difference in the dark
>> you know.
>>
>> Johnny-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop
>
>Now then.... it had three lights in a triangular formation: red, green and 
>white; hovered and then suddenly shot off (well, helicopterish-like).
>
>Kezzi-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-whoooooosh...........!
>
>


You don't have any mates in Leeds, do you?

J.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
news:ns%Ae.219$4Q1.8@fe09.lga...

> a l l y wrote:
>
> > Grr... The introduction of myximitosis into Britain's rabbit population
must
> > count amongst the evilist things humans have done...
> >
> > ally
> >
> >
> Well.
>
> They can be pretty sick when it comes to their own species, specially
> those on the Piccadilly line in a confined space thirty foot below the
> ground.
>
>
> Jp


Introduction? WHAT! Introduction? Uff, this is going to be a bad day, I know
it.

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
news:0fZAe.199$4Q1.193@fe09.lga...

>
> >>Johnny-unconventional-banking-advocate
> >
> >
> > Will they lend me some money?
> >
> > Edith, just asking.
> >
> >
>
> What's the guarantee on your verandah?
>
> Jp


I don't know yet. Wait a minute. I'll just scop a couple of buckets of water
out. If the water doesn't run out it is most surely waterlogged which is
good as the neighbors under won't get showered and if it doesn't, it still
don't slope toward the fu, oops, drain and I'm back to square one. No. No I
won't throw water down. I'll wait until it rains to find out. Besides that,
my flat is taxed to 1 million krones and will sell for more, then I'd be
semi rich and minus a mortgage.

Edith on a wonderful summers day, doesn't want to borrow any more money
thank you.

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
news:42d460ca$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...

> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
> >> Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a
> >> helicopter doing some very strange manoeuvres just overhead
> >> at 02:45. Just like being back in Belfast....
> >>
> >> Kezzi-ker-nack-ered
> >
> > Are you sure it was a helicopter and not aliens pretending o be
> > a helicopter? It's difficult to tell the difference in the dark
> > you know.
> >
> > Johnny-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop
>
> leave the Italians out of it.


What ARE you doing, Johnny? rofl......... and in this heat. Mind you don't
rupture yourself.

Unbelievably, Edith.

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
news:42d45fd3$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...

> a l l y wrote:
> >
> > When I first got this tumble dryer I started collecting the fluff and
> > very soon had enough to stuff the Elizabethan bum-roll I was making
> > for my Elizabethan dance costume.
>
> If you want to be ecologically friendly put your fluff outside on a bush
> during the spring so the birds can use it for building nests.  A couple of
> years ago an old nest fell out of one of the trees.  It was built partly
> with shredded cheques and other stuff from my office and had fluff in the
> lining.
>
> Al


Well I never. I remember when I lived on Everest Mount, when I brushed my
long hair I would clean the brush by letting the hair float away on a breeze
and the birds would catch it in the air. I've done my bit for British birds.

Edith.

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
news:42d45e84$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...

>a l l y  wrote:
>> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:izTAe.59496>
>>> My Father was in India many years. Wonder if they knew each other.
>>>
>>> Edith Sergeant's daughter.
>>>
>> Which part of India was he in? I've got ancestors on both sides of the
>> family who wound up there at some point. As well as my mum -and her
>> parents - my dad's dad served in the Gordon Highlanders on the North
>> West Frontier.
>>
>> ally-colonial's-daughter
>
> My grandad was a Sergeant in the Delhi Mounted Police throughout the '30s 
> and '40s....!
>
> Kezzi-skullcracker's-grandson. . .

Well, goodness. Yet another connection between us all. And to begin with, I 
thought it was just music!

ally

ps - anyone up for a Darjeeling boink? Nah.... perhaps not....

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message
news:42d45e4b$1_2@spool9-west.superfeed.net...

> a l l y wrote:
> > "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:7BOAe.59453>
> >> Sweat, oh sweat. All those lovely sleepless men lying sweating all
> >> night. Everything stiffens here, Ally, all year 'round, but I
> >> wouldn't try hanging
> >> them on a cothes line, like.
> >
> > Grumpy old men who haven't had enough sleep, you mean.
> >
> >>
> >> I think I'll go take in some more sun now. Who needs Spain.
> >>
> >
> > I'll have Norway any day over Spain. Nicer climate and the Norwegians
> > don't stick spears in bulls as a fun pastime either.
>
> no they're like the Japs, still into sticking harpoons into whales in the
> guise of scientific research.
>
> Al


question : not that I see much wale meat about these days.

Should they let the Japs have it all?

Edith.

Orly and I were just talking about those big fish factory ships that the
Russians came up with way back. He tells me about the biggest of them all
being built here for, was it Chile or maybe Argentina. It never got used
because they discovered it would empty the ocean within 4 years (?)

How awful that would be.

Edith.

"Alfred Packer"  wrote in message 
news:42d45fd3$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...

>a l l y wrote:
>>
>> When I first got this tumble dryer I started collecting the fluff and
>> very soon had enough to stuff the Elizabethan bum-roll I was making
>> for my Elizabethan dance costume.
>
> If you want to be ecologically friendly put your fluff outside on a bush
> during the spring so the birds can use it for building nests.  A couple of
> years ago an old nest fell out of one of the trees.  It was built partly
> with shredded cheques and other stuff from my office and had fluff in the
> lining.
>

Well, with our high winds my fluff might end up on the other side of the 
Solway if I did that, but I'd be delighted to help the Scottish birds over 
there with their nest-building.

I don't think I'm inclined the leave the contents of my shredding machine 
lying about the garden for the birds, though. It comes in handy for packing 
voids in parcels, though, so it doesn't go to waste.

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
news:3jj01qFq417rU3@individual.net...

>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:rlTAe.59489>
> > I have only bought one car in my life and that was a maroon Volvo,
station
> > wagon (my X sold it for a Chevy van :0( and then I had to steal the
Chevy
> > away once in a while, until he started removing the rotor and taking it
> > away
> > with him, sod, on his adventures. Otherwise I have always driven other
> > peoples' cars, mainly while they sat in the back seat drinking. I don't
do
> > that any more. Wish I had a car, tho'
> >
> > Edith-tired of pedaling but much more sophisticated.
> >
> Well at least they can't take away your licence if they catch you drunk in
> charge of a push-bike.
>
> ally-knows-this-from-experience


I would be subject to a grand fine though.

Edith.

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
news:42d45fe8$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...

> Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:
>>> Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a
>>> helicopter doing some very strange manoeuvres just overhead
>>> at 02:45. Just like being back in Belfast....
>>>
>>> Kezzi-ker-nack-ered
>>
>> Are you sure it was a helicopter and not aliens pretending o be
>> a helicopter? It's difficult to tell the difference in the dark
>> you know.
>>
>> Johnny-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop
>
> Now then.... it had three lights in a triangular formation: red, green and 
> white; hovered and then suddenly shot off (well, helicopterish-like).
>
> Kezzi-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-whoooooosh...........!
>

Hmm.... sounds more like an alien spacecraft to me.... There've been a few 
sightings of those over the Solway, too.

ally-solway-triangle

"a l l y"  wrote in message
news:3jivuiFq1c0iU3@individual.net...

>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:YrTAe.59491>
> > Will you be going to The Maryport Blues Festival this year, A and S?
> >
> Dunno. The line-up isn't as strong as last year's. No big names like Buddy
> Guy, and not even a top-rate Norwegian blues band to make up for it... Oh
> well. We haven't quite decided yet.
>
> ally


The band can't afford to come over. It's those holiday cottages that kill
the joy with their high season, kiss my arse, prices.

Edith

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijjn6y0.pminews@news.howhill.com...
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:48:58 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
> >
> >> Those old pullies are absolutely fascinating. I want one-an old one.
> >> I'll hang flowers on it, out on the -wait for it - wait for it..yes!
> >> yes! ver..................
> >
> > You mean a couple of metal frames and some timber bars between them,
> > otherwise known as an airer?
> >
> > http://www.thegoodcook.co.uk/airers.htm
> >
> > The parts are also available in Althams, Penrith.
> >
> Ours wasn't quite like those. It had a wooden piece from end to end, and
> then 2 strands of rope, one on each side of the wooden piece. It was very
> big - stretched more or less the whole length of our big kitchen. The rope
> holding it up decided to break one evening, bringing the whole caboodle
down
> on my head, when I was about 8 months pregnant. People who know my son nod
> wisely and say, yes, this explains a lot...
>
> ally


Rofllllllll It wuzn't just heredity then?

Edith.

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
news:42d45c6e$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...

>>
> I wonder if it was a relative of the same rabbit that did the same to me 
> back in 1980 down at Duddon Bridge. Turned the headlights off and it still 
> sat there. Got out of the car and it was still sitting there. I know they 
> like to sit on the tarmac after a hot day and it might not get so lucky 
> with the next car that came along so I picked it up and it pi$$ed down the 
> front of my Levis. Like bleach that stuff.....
>
> Anyway, I put it on the grass verge twice and it just hopped back into the 
> road and sat in front of the car again. Then another car was coming so I 
> picked it up, stuck it on the back seat and drove off. Kept it for a pet 
> until the winter when it had grown so big it was a threat to the dog.
>
> Took it back to where I found it and put it in the verge. It sat for a 
> moment, pricked it's ears up, and without one look back or even a, "So 
> long, and thanks for all the dandelion leaves", took off in a direction 
> towards what I could only hope was homeward.....
>
> Kezzi-and-the-first-and-last-rabbit-I-had-hold-of-that-I-never-ate. . .


Aw.... you're such a big softie! :-)

Reminds me of a tale of my late husband... shortly after I'd first met him, 
I went round to his house to find a pigeon hurtling to and fro across the 
living room. It then perched on the curtain rail and proceeded to poo on the 
top of the radiogram (it's a long time ago....) "There's a pigeon in the 
house!" said I, stating the obvious. Seems he'd found it lying injured in 
the road on his way back from the pub, and had brought it back to nurse it 
back to health. For a week or two the house was full of pigeon droppings, 
but eventually the bird was fully recovered and flew happily off to join its 
compadres.

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>a l l y wrote:
>
>> Grr... The introduction of myximitosis into Britain's rabbit population 
>> must count amongst the evilist things humans have done...
>>
>> ally
> Well.
>
> They can be pretty sick when it comes to their own species, specially 
> those on the Piccadilly line in a confined space thirty foot below the 
> ground.
>

Of course! But the people that created the myxie epidemic weren't 
terrorists: they would have considered themselves scientists - benefactors 
of the farming community.

Grr..

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:wU4Be.59603>

> Introduction? WHAT! Introduction? Uff, this is going to be a bad day, I 
> know
> it.
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxomatosis

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:ioTAe.59490>
> > Those old pullies are absolutely fascinating. I want one-an old one.
I'll
> > hang flowers on it, out on the -wait for it - wait for it..yes! yes!
> > ver..................
> >
> What a waste! If you have room for a pulley you have the perfect,
> environmentally-friendly dryer. Fancy hanging flowers on it!
>
> I ask you....
>
> ally


Here's another point that I'm going to bring to the committee. It states in
house rules that we are allowed to hang up clothes to dry on our veranda
only if they are invisible to our neighbours and anyone passing by. That
means they have to hang at the height of my waist line. Doh! So I and
everyone else use tumble dryers. You can have all the fluff. We are not
allowed to hang anything over the side. The verandahs are posh, full of
flowers and looking good but nothing like the ones in Spain-interesting.

Another house rule is that if you use the toilet at night you mustn't flush.
I, yeah, sure. You can believe I keep that rule and I hope nobody else does.
The building would be smelling like a dung heap if people didn't pull the
chain. Watch out committee-here I come.

Another house rule is everyone must quiet down by 10 pm. I want it to be
11pm.

Edith Poshverandah.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:LvTAe.59494$Fe7.194608@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > "a l l y"  wrote in message
> > news:3ji8t3Fpo2neU3@individual.net...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Yes and yes and I hang everything out in the summer. Doh! I don't
care
> > who
> >> > see me knickers. Cors, like, yours being like big green
> >> > tents.................like.
> >> >
> >> A big green tent sounds like a pleasant place to be on a hot afternoon,
> >> actually.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > I. Gowon then. Go walk a clothes line.
> >
> When we were kids we used to make tents by throwing a big sheet over a
> clothes line and weighing it down round the edges with stones. I bet you
did
> that too, Edith!
>
> ally


Nope, Ally. I used tall back chairs.

Edith

"a l l y"  wrote in message
news:3jiud5Fq9dkvU3@individual.net...

>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:izTAe.59496>
> > My Father was in India many years. Wonder if they knew each other.
> >
> > Edith Sergeant's daughter.
> >
> Which part of India was he in? I've got ancestors on both sides of the
> family who wound up there at some point. As well as my mum -and her
> parents - my dad's dad served in the Gordon Highlanders on the North West
> Frontier.
>
> ally-colonial's-daughter


I'm not sure. He had watch on the Taj Mahal (don't know how to spell it) and
took an awful long train journey to some place, I believe across all of
India. Why didn't I ask him these things.
His brother Charles was on the Kiber Pass in Pakistan (?) (don't know how to
spell it)

Edith bangs her head against the wall.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijjpwd3.pminews@news.howhill.com...
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:11:59 +0100, a l l y wrote:
>
> >> I've just finished laying that ^%$_*$$ carpet in the hall in all
> >> this heat. One of those jobs that I just couldn't leave 'til later,
> >> unfortunately. I'm not very good at laying carpets. The edges are
> >> all wiggly. Oh well.
>
> >Aw ally, I was hoping you were going to be our resident expert carpet
> >layer so I could pick your brains about how to trim the edges so they
> >are just the right length to tuck between the gripper and skirting and
> >not be wiggly.
>
> >I've only done carpet twice, the first one is a bit of a mess but just
> >about acceptable. The second much better as far a wigglelessness is
> >concerned but there are few places with rather too much carpet in the
> >gap...
>
> Steve has figured out a way to hide the gaps round the edges. You keep all
> the offcuts and cut long thin strips which you insert with a bit of
copydex
> into the gap. Once the glue is dry it's more or less invisible.
>
> We haven't got any gripper. Maybe that's where I'm going wrong but I won't
> use the stuff. I have painful memories of the time, in the midst of some
DIY
> project or other, I pulled up the edges of a carpet and knelt on those wee
> spikes before I realised they were there. They also tend to make the floor
> level uneven so that things like bookcases fall over on their fronts
unless
> you pack bits of cardboard under their fronts.
>
> ally-no-expert-on-carpets


lol. bits of newspaper. My Mamma used to put newspapers down under her
carpets. I did it for a while here until I heard how easily wooden houses go
up in flames.

At the moment a forest fire is aglow.

Edith in Norway.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > I'm almost glad I don't have a jallopy. I'm still looking
> > for where the bl.... rotor should have been.
> >
> > Edith-pumped up her pushbike wheels yesterday-all by
> > herself.
>
> I just heard on the radio that the French are re-introducing the
> 'Solex' bicycle - you know - the bikes with little motors that
> go 23 mph and you have to peddle a bit to go up hills?
>
> You should look into getting one Edith. With a basket on the
> handebars, of course.
>
> Johnny-helpful-advice


I'd rather have a car in this climate, Johnny. I have my drivers license and
no car. It's kinda de- grading.

Edith Pushbike.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
> In the Netherlands it is commonplace to have your washer and drier up in
> the attic! On a nice day, you can hang your clothes on a clothes horse
> (rack) next to an open Velux roof window, and they dry really nicely.
> Basements and cellars are very rare in Holland, due to its being several
> metres below sea level.
>
> Jp
>
> Amateur Laundry Historian & Laundry athropologist


Tumble driers weren't allowed here either until they came up with the ones
with condense drawers.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
news:42d418fe$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...

> > 26 here.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> 26 stone?!?!?!
>
> Johnny-shocked


No yuh daft bat. +26C

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Really?
> >
> > Jp-no-green-card-ergo-no-student-loan-and-two-kids
>
> Really. We buy equipment this way. Three to five year loans,
> completely flexible-to-our-needs payments. It's great.
>
> Johnny-really


With high percentage. You're rich.

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:PZ5Be.59613>

> I'm not sure. He had watch on the Taj Mahal (don't know how to spell 
> it)...


That's the right spelling! It's in Agra - my mum's friend taught at a 
ladies' college there for many years.



..... and

> took an awful long train journey to some place, I believe across all of
> India. Why didn't I ask him these things.
> His brother Charles was on the Kiber Pass in Pakistan (?) (don't know how 
> to
> spell it)
>

I think it's Khyber Pass, but of course the locals use a different alphabet 
so spelling becomes a bit vague at the best of times.



> Edith bangs her head against the wall.
>

That really won't help! Stop it!

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:Ix5Be.59607>

> question : not that I see much wale meat about these days.
>
> Should they let the Japs have it all?


They shouldn't let the Japs have any! Or anyone! How anyone can eat such 
intelligent creatures is beyond me....

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:4U5Be.59612>> >

>> When we were kids we used to make tents by throwing a big sheet over a
>> clothes line and weighing it down round the edges with stones. I bet you
> did
>> that too, Edith!
>>
>> ally
>
> Nope, Ally. I used tall back chairs.
>

aha! An indoor tent. Ours used to blow away if the wind got up.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:RF5Be.59610>

> Rofllllllll It wuzn't just heredity then?
>

Certainly that didn't help!

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:UR5Be.59611>

> Here's another point that I'm going to bring to the committee. It states 
> in
> house rules that we are allowed to hang up clothes to dry on our veranda
> only if they are invisible to our neighbours and anyone passing by. That
> means they have to hang at the height of my waist line. Doh! So I and
> everyone else use tumble dryers. You can have all the fluff. We are not
> allowed to hang anything over the side. The verandahs are posh, full of
> flowers and looking good but nothing like the ones in Spain-interesting.


Oh dear, all these rules bring out the rebel in me. I immediately start 
thinking of ways to break them...

How about putting up a tall trellis or something round the edge of the 
veranda, so that the washing would be hidden behind it? Tumble dryers are 
not environmentally friendly.


>
> Another house rule is that if you use the toilet at night you mustn't 
> flush.
> I, yeah, sure. You can believe I keep that rule and I hope nobody else 
> does.
> The building would be smelling like a dung heap if people didn't pull the
> chain. Watch out committee-here I come.
>

Do Norwegian toilets make so much noise that they have to come up with that 
silly rule, though? Or are your walls so thin that the gentle flush of the 
loo would disturb anyone? What nonsense! Anyone who's wakened up by a 
flushing toilet needs to live inside and insulated polystyrene box.



> Another house rule is everyone must quiet down by 10 pm. I want it to be
> 11pm.


So no wild parties at your gaffe, then?

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3jivuiFq1c0iU3@individual.net...
>>
>> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:YrTAe.59491>
>> > Will you be going to The Maryport Blues Festival this year, A and S?
>> >
>> Dunno. The line-up isn't as strong as last year's. No big names like 
>> Buddy
>> Guy, and not even a top-rate Norwegian blues band to make up for it... Oh
>> well. We haven't quite decided yet.
>>
>> ally
>
> The band can't afford to come over. It's those holiday cottages that kill
> the joy with their high season, kiss my arse, prices.
>

We should set up our own mini-blues festival in the winter. Cheaper 
accomodation, and for Norwegians the climate would probably be milder too.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3jj01qFq417rU3@individual.net...
>>
>> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:rlTAe.59489>
>> > I have only bought one car in my life and that was a maroon Volvo,
> station
>> > wagon (my X sold it for a Chevy van :0( and then I had to steal the
> Chevy
>> > away once in a while, until he started removing the rotor and taking it
>> > away
>> > with him, sod, on his adventures. Otherwise I have always driven other
>> > peoples' cars, mainly while they sat in the back seat drinking. I don't
> do
>> > that any more. Wish I had a car, tho'
>> >
>> > Edith-tired of pedaling but much more sophisticated.
>> >
>> Well at least they can't take away your licence if they catch you drunk 
>> in
>> charge of a push-bike.
>>
>> ally-knows-this-from-experience
>
> I would be subject to a grand fine though.
>

Really? You can be fined for this in Norway?

ally

a l l y wrote:


> Of course! But the people that created the myxie epidemic weren't 
> terrorists: they would have considered themselves scientists - benefactors 
> of the farming community.
> 
> Grr..
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

I agree that it does seem an extraordinarily irresponsible thing to do.

Jp

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:gz5Be.59608$Fe7.194716@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > "a l l y"  wrote in message
> > news:3jj01qFq417rU3@individual.net...
> >>
> >> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:rlTAe.59489>
> >> > I have only bought one car in my life and that was a maroon Volvo,
> > station
> >> > wagon (my X sold it for a Chevy van :0( and then I had to steal the
> > Chevy
> >> > away once in a while, until he started removing the rotor and taking
it
> >> > away
> >> > with him, sod, on his adventures. Otherwise I have always driven
other
> >> > peoples' cars, mainly while they sat in the back seat drinking. I
don't
> > do
> >> > that any more. Wish I had a car, tho'
> >> >
> >> > Edith-tired of pedaling but much more sophisticated.
> >> >
> >> Well at least they can't take away your licence if they catch you drunk
> >> in
> >> charge of a push-bike.
> >>
> >> ally-knows-this-from-experience
> >
> > I would be subject to a grand fine though.
> >
> Really? You can be fined for this in Norway?
>
> ally


Yes. Everything with wheels on is classed as a vehicle. Shuv a barra doon a
main road while intoxicated und yull git find. Even if yuh do 'ave Edith in
it and if yuh don't 'ave a leit on et in't dark they up the find.

Edith in Spic and Span world.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:YA5Be.59609$Fe7.194598@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > "a l l y"  wrote in message
> > news:3jivuiFq1c0iU3@individual.net...
> >>
> >> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:YrTAe.59491>
> >> > Will you be going to The Maryport Blues Festival this year, A and S?
> >> >
> >> Dunno. The line-up isn't as strong as last year's. No big names like
> >> Buddy
> >> Guy, and not even a top-rate Norwegian blues band to make up for it...
Oh
> >> well. We haven't quite decided yet.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > The band can't afford to come over. It's those holiday cottages that
kill
> > the joy with their high season, kiss my arse, prices.
> >
> We should set up our own mini-blues festival in the winter. Cheaper
> accomodation, and for Norwegians the climate would probably be milder too.
>
> ally


our own little time share.

Edith in c f and g

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:Ix5Be.59607>
> > question : not that I see much wale meat about these days.
> >
> > Should they let the Japs have it all?
>
> They shouldn't let the Japs have any! Or anyone! How anyone can eat such
> intelligent creatures is beyond me....
>
> ally


They're beautiful, aren't they.

Edith.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:28:19 +0200, The Traveller wrote:


> lol. bits of newspaper. My Mamma used to put newspapers down under 
> her carpets. 


That was to stop the dust coming up between the floorboards and making 
black lines on the carpet isn't it?

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:11:45 +0100, a l l y wrote:


> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxomatosis


"It reached the UK in 1953, apparently without human action."

Though it was introduced in France and people still aid its spread by 
moving infected animals about.

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

> Will they lend me some money?
> 
> Edith, just asking.


No chance. I'm not revealing my cash-cows. Find your own private 
lenders.

Johnny-tight-lipped

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> Besides that, my flat is taxed to 1
> million krones and will sell for more, then I'd be semi
> rich and minus a mortgage. 
> 
> Edith on a wonderful summers day, doesn't want to borrow
> any more money thank you.


Would that not leave you homeless though?

Johnny-wondering-how-this-is-a-good-idea

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> Of course! But the people that created the myxie epidemic
> weren't terrorists: they would have considered themselves
> scientists - benefactors of the farming community.
> 
> Grr..
> 
> ally 


Scientists make mistakes too, you know. There's a spectrum to 
all things. For every Einstein, there's an idiot biologist. 
Maybe ten.

Johnny-thinks-biologists-are-the-worst-scientists

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"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:28:19 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>
> > lol. bits of newspaper. My Mamma used to put newspapers down under
> > her carpets.
>
> That was to stop the dust coming up between the floorboards and making
> black lines on the carpet isn't it?
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


 : )) no. insulation & carpet didn't stick, easy to remove.

Edith

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Besides that, my flat is taxed to 1
> > million krones and will sell for more, then I'd be semi
> > rich and minus a mortgage.
> >
> > Edith on a wonderful summers day, doesn't want to borrow
> > any more money thank you.
>
> Would that not leave you homeless though?
>
> Johnny-wondering-how-this-is-a-good-idea


Yes dear. May I come live with you. I'll be nice.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Will they lend me some money?
> >
> > Edith, just asking.
>
> No chance. I'm not revealing my cash-cows. Find your own private
> lenders.
>
> Johnny-tight-lipped


Kiss me where I'm tallest while picking strawberries then.

Plonk!

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:UR5Be.59611>
> > Here's another point that I'm going to bring to the committee. It states
> > in
> > house rules that we are allowed to hang up clothes to dry on our veranda
> > only if they are invisible to our neighbours and anyone passing by. That
> > means they have to hang at the height of my waist line. Doh! So I and
> > everyone else use tumble dryers. You can have all the fluff. We are not
> > allowed to hang anything over the side. The verandahs are posh, full of
> > flowers and looking good but nothing like the ones in Spain-interesting.
>
> Oh dear, all these rules bring out the rebel in me. I immediately start
> thinking of ways to break them...
>
> How about putting up a tall trellis or something round the edge of the
> veranda, so that the washing would be hidden behind it? Tumble dryers are
> not environmentally friendly.
>
> >
> > Another house rule is that if you use the toilet at night you mustn't
> > flush.
> > I, yeah, sure. You can believe I keep that rule and I hope nobody else
> > does.
> > The building would be smelling like a dung heap if people didn't pull
the
> > chain. Watch out committee-here I come.
> >
> Do Norwegian toilets make so much noise that they have to come up with
that
> silly rule, though? Or are your walls so thin that the gentle flush of the
> loo would disturb anyone? What nonsense! Anyone who's wakened up by a
> flushing toilet needs to live inside and insulated polystyrene box.
>
>
> > Another house rule is everyone must quiet down by 10 pm. I want it to be
> > 11pm.
>
> So no wild parties at your gaffe, then?
>
> ally


No. Just quiet normal somber ones. Weird ma'an.

Edith.

JH  wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:27:01 +0100, "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote:
>
>> Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:
>>>> Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a
>>>> helicopter doing some very strange manoeuvres just overhead
>>>> at 02:45. Just like being back in Belfast....
>>>>
>>>> Kezzi-ker-nack-ered
>>>
>>> Are you sure it was a helicopter and not aliens pretending o be
>>> a helicopter? It's difficult to tell the difference in the dark
>>> you know.
>>>
>>> Johnny-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop
>>
>> Now then.... it had three lights in a triangular formation: red,
>> green and white; hovered and then suddenly shot off (well,
>> helicopterish-like).
>>
>> Kezzi-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-whoooooosh...........!
>>
>>
>
> You don't have any mates in Leeds, do you?
>
> J.


Ouch!! Actually, I do (or is that did?)! I was 'raised' in Chapel Allerton.

Kezzi-hon'r'y-Cumbrian

> My grandad was a Sergeant in the Delhi Mounted Police
> throughout the '30s and '40s....!
> 
> Kezzi-skullcracker's-grandson. . . 


My grandad was in India with some British artilery unit sometime 
in the 1910's I think. He came back from WWI gassed and moved to 
Cartmel 'for the clean air' and became a postman and a verger at 
Cartmel Priory. My aunt was an British Army nurse in India 
during for the duration of WWII. She came home to Cumbria and 
served as a District Nurse until about 1970 when she moved south 
to Hampshire. No idea why.

Johnny-two-cents


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> Here's another point that I'm going to bring to the
> committee. It states in house rules that we are allowed to
> hang up clothes to dry on our veranda only if they are
> invisible to our neighbours and anyone passing by. That 
> means they have to hang at the height of my waist line.
> Doh! So I and everyone else use tumble dryers. You can have
> all the fluff. We are not allowed to hang anything over the
> side. The verandahs are posh, full of flowers and looking
> good but nothing like the ones in Spain-interesting. 
> 
> Another house rule is that if you use the toilet at night
> you mustn't flush. I, yeah, sure. You can believe I keep
> that rule and I hope nobody else does. The building would
> be smelling like a dung heap if people didn't pull the 
> chain. Watch out committee-here I come. 
> 
> Another house rule is everyone must quiet down by 10 pm. I
> want it to be 11pm.
> 
> Edith Poshverandah.


Noise bylaws here are no noise before 7AM or after 11PM.

Johnny-my-snoring-contravenes-the-bylaws

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:24:47 +0200, The Traveller wrote:


> the Taj Mahal (don't know how to spell it) 

I T

> the Kiber Pass in Pakistan (?) (don't know how to spell it)


As before I T  <ouch>

Khyber Pass and it's between what is now Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Though Pakistan was part of India until 1947.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.html

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijks941.pminews@news.howhill.com...
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:28:19 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>>
>> > lol. bits of newspaper. My Mamma used to put newspapers down under
>> > her carpets.
>>
>> That was to stop the dust coming up between the floorboards and making
>> black lines on the carpet isn't it?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
>> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail
>
> : )) no. insulation & carpet didn't stick, easy to remove.
>

I think you're both right. We used to have newspaper under the carpets too, 
and both explanations sound familiar. It acted as a sort of underlay, too, 
in the days before they invented the modern foamy stuff.

It was fascinating when you took up a carpet that had been down for years - 
decades - and you'd end up reading the old papers instead of working.

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> My grandad was a Sergeant in the Delhi Mounted Police
>> throughout the '30s and '40s....!
>>
>> Kezzi-skullcracker's-grandson. . .
>
> My grandad was in India with some British artilery unit sometime
> in the 1910's I think. He came back from WWI gassed and moved to
> Cartmel 'for the clean air' and became a postman and a verger at
> Cartmel Priory. My aunt was an British Army nurse in India
> during for the duration of WWII. She came home to Cumbria and
> served as a District Nurse until about 1970 when she moved south
> to Hampshire. No idea why.
>

My granddad was in Darjeeling when your granddad was in India: gosh, perhaps 
they met...!

ally-tenuous-connections

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3jkbq2Fqegu7U3@individual.net...
>>
>> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:Ix5Be.59607>
>> > question : not that I see much wale meat about these days.
>> >
>> > Should they let the Japs have it all?
>>
>> They shouldn't let the Japs have any! Or anyone! How anyone can eat such
>> intelligent creatures is beyond me....
>>
>> ally
>
> They're beautiful, aren't they.
>

Hmm. Depends on your definition of beauty, but they're certainly amazing 
animals and far too clever to be treated like game birds.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:JN8Be.59648>>

>> So no wild parties at your gaffe, then?
>>
>> ally
>
> No. Just quiet normal somber ones. Weird ma'an.
>

"Normal"? I've never been to a quiet sober party, to my recollection. So 
either your parties aren't normal, or I'm not..... er.... hmm.... oh, look 
over there! A sparrow!

ally-not-normal

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>
> Noise bylaws here are no noise before 7AM or after 11PM.
>
> Johnny-my-snoring-contravenes-the-bylaws
>

As musicians we were always getting into trouble with our Edinburgh 
neighbours for over-enthusiastic playing of loud instruments late at night. 
It's one reason I moved to the country.

ally-loud

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42d515d5$1_2@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
>> > Besides that, my flat is taxed to 1
>> > million krones and will sell for more, then I'd be semi
>> > rich and minus a mortgage.
>> >
>> > Edith on a wonderful summers day, doesn't want to borrow
>> > any more money thank you.
>>
>> Would that not leave you homeless though?
>>
>> Johnny-wondering-how-this-is-a-good-idea
>
> Yes dear. May I come live with you. I'll be nice.
>

That'll be a change...

ally-ducking-for-cover

> Well at least they can't take away your licence if they
> catch you drunk in charge of a push-bike.
> 
> ally-knows-this-from-experience 


They can over here.

Johnny-cultural-differences

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> These sales persons don't like to walk away with their
> tails between their legs. They keep going to the bitter
> end. 
> 
>   Mrs Johnny is a smart lady.
> 
> Why did you go with her to buy her car?
> 
> Jp


She asked me to go.

Johnny-does-what-he's-asked

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> With high percentage. You're rich.
> 
> Edith.


No. You miss the point. Loans from friendly people at better 
rates than the banks.

Johnny-private-investors-rock

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> I'd rather have a car in this climate, Johnny. I have my
> drivers license and no car. It's kinda de- grading.
> 
> Edith Pushbike.


Where would you go if you did have a car?

I have a good bike and rarely use it. A nice blue helmet too. Do 
you wear your helmet? It's important you do as a good example 
for children.

Johnny-hard-head

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> I wonder if it was a relative of the same rabbit that did
> the same to me back in 1980 down at Duddon Bridge. Turned
> the headlights off and it still sat there. Got out of the
> car and it was still sitting there. I know they like to sit
> on the tarmac after a hot day and it might not get so lucky
> with the next car that came along so I picked it up and it
> pi$$ed down the front of my Levis. Like bleach that
> stuff..... 
> 
> Anyway, I put it on the grass verge twice and it just
> hopped back into the road and sat in front of the car
> again. Then another car was coming so I picked it up, stuck
> it on the back seat and drove off. Kept it for a pet until
> the winter when it had grown so big it was a threat to the
> dog. 
> 
> Took it back to where I found it and put it in the verge.
> It sat for a moment, pricked it's ears up, and without one
> look back or even a, "So long, and thanks for all the
> dandelion leaves", took off in a direction towards what I
> could only hope was homeward..... 
> 
> Kezzi-and-the-first-and-last-rabbit-I-had-hold-of-that-I-nev
> er-ate. . . 


What a heart-warming story. That rabbit knew a soft-touch when 
it came across one.

Johnny-dandelions-are-weeds

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> Now then.... it had three lights in a triangular formation:
> red, green and white; hovered and then suddenly shot off
> (well, helicopterish-like). 
> 
> Kezzi-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-whoooooosh...........!


Aliens are smart enough to disguise themselves with lights, I 
figure.

Johnny-not-fooled

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> My granddad was in Darjeeling when your granddad was in
> India: gosh, perhaps they met...!
> 
> ally-tenuous-connections 


I have a photo of my granddad in India, I think. I'll send it to 
you if I can find it. There's a load of other people in it. You 
never know!

Johnny-sub-continent-connections

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a l l y wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:JN8Be.59648>>
> 
>>>So no wild parties at your gaffe, then?
>>>
>>>ally
>>
>>No. Just quiet normal somber ones. Weird ma'an.
>>
> 
> "Normal"? I've never been to a quiet sober party, to my recollection. So 
> either your parties aren't normal, or I'm not..... er.... hmm.... oh, look 
> over there! A sparrow!
> 
> ally-not-normal 
> 
> 

The first Dutch party I attended was really wierd. There were chairs 
arranged in a circle around the room. We introduced ourselves to 
everyone there and, as is customary, congratulated them on the occasion 
of the birthday of our host. We drank coffee. Of course, in Britain, the 
coffee is a gentle hint to tell you to go home. Then the cake went 
round. Then more coffee. Then koekjes (cookies) and more cake and more 
coffee.

Then suddenly, when you are full of caffeine, and incapable of sleep for 
a week, and gagging for the drink that you had anticipated several hours 
earlier, someone gets out the bottle of Genever and they pass it round 
and start to throw back shots of the stuff and everyone gets hammered 
and sings silly songs to accordion music.

Wat gezellig!

Jp

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> My granddad was in Darjeeling when your granddad was in
>> India: gosh, perhaps they met...!
>>
>> ally-tenuous-connections
>
> I have a photo of my granddad in India, I think. I'll send it to
> you if I can find it. There's a load of other people in it. You
> never know!
>

Excellent pic, Johnny, but seems to be a different part of India from my 
granddad's. Well, it's a BIG country...

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>>
> The first Dutch party I attended was really wierd. There were chairs 
> arranged in a circle around the room. We introduced ourselves to everyone 
> there and, as is customary, congratulated them on the occasion of the 
> birthday of our host. We drank coffee. Of course, in Britain, the coffee 
> is a gentle hint to tell you to go home. Then the cake went round. Then 
> more coffee. Then koekjes (cookies) and more cake and more coffee.
>
> Then suddenly, when you are full of caffeine, and incapable of sleep for a 
> week, and gagging for the drink that you had anticipated several hours 
> earlier, someone gets out the bottle of Genever and they pass it round and 
> start to throw back shots of the stuff and everyone gets hammered and 
> sings silly songs to accordion music.
>
> Wat gezellig!
>

:-) Well, there's no accounting for furrinners.

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> I'd rather have a car in this climate, Johnny. I have my
>> drivers license and no car. It's kinda de- grading.
>>
>> Edith Pushbike.
>
> Where would you go if you did have a car?
>
> I have a good bike and rarely use it. A nice blue helmet too. Do
> you wear your helmet? It's important you do as a good example
> for children.
>

I have a good bike that lives in our swallow-infested barn, and every time I 
want to use it (which isn't often enough, really) I have to clean all their 
droppings off it first.

I don't wear a helmet. I like feeling the wind in my hair. I like to live 
dangerously.

ally-rebel

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> Well at least they can't take away your licence if they
>> catch you drunk in charge of a push-bike.
>>
>> ally-knows-this-from-experience
>
> They can over here.
>

What? You need a licence to ride a bike in Canada? What about kids? Do they 
have to pass a test before they're allowed out on their wee tricycles?

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>
> Johnny-does-what-he's-asked
>



Hmmm..... ;-)

ally

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:11:45 +0100, a l l y wrote:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxomatosis
>
> "It reached the UK in 1953, apparently without human action."
>
> Though it was introduced in France and people still aid its spread by
> moving infected animals about.
>

Yeah, I read that bit too. I'd always believed it had been brought here 
deliberately. Wikipedia is a great source of useful information.

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> Of course! But the people that created the myxie epidemic
>> weren't terrorists: they would have considered themselves
>> scientists - benefactors of the farming community.
>>
>> Grr..
>>
>> ally
>
> Scientists make mistakes too, you know. There's a spectrum to
> all things. For every Einstein, there's an idiot biologist.
> Maybe ten.
>
> Johnny-thinks-biologists-are-the-worst-scientists
>

When I was at school Biology was looked on as the soft option amongst the 
sciences. If you were clever you did Physics or Chemistry, but those who 
couldn't quite manage those would settle for Biology. Hence the emergence of 
the lesser-brained biologist.

ally-did-all-three

a l l y wrote:

> "Jpinny"  wrote in message 
> news:sjSAe.11227$js.4524@fe10.lga...
> 
>>Yes, they stuff them in driers, and dry their smaller delicates on top of 
>>the warm drier, and on clothes racks  in the basement, which is where most 
>>folks have their washer and drier. Those two items are almost always sold 
>>with the house. A friend of mine has a lovely new house, with a laundry 
>>upstairs, next to the bedrooms - the perfect, sensible place for it.
>>
> 
> I really dislike using a tumble dryer, although I've got one skulking in the 
> barn for emergencies. Over the course of a few sessions most of the fluff in 
> the garments disappears, and you end up with thin fabric with no plushness 
> left in it. T-shirts and things like that which start off soft are ruined, 
> and I wouldn't let any of my towels near one even in the direst emergency.
> 
> When I first got this tumble dryer I started collecting the fluff and very 
> soon had enough to stuff the Elizabethan bum-roll I was making for my 
> Elizabethan dance costume. You can see by the colours of the fluff exactly 
> which items have suffered most.
> 
> I miss my pulley. We had an 11 foot ceiling in our Victorian Edinburgh flat, 
> with a huge pulley attached to the kitchen ceiling. Wonderful thing. Clothes 
> dried overnight in there, as the central heating was fired by a solid-fuel 
> stove in the same room. In the summer we hung things out in the back green, 
> but had to bring them in sharpish if it rained, as they'd end up covered in 
> wee black spots. (One of the things I love about Cumbria is that the rain is 
> clean.)
> 
> ally 
> 
> 


That held true with a chenille jumper that wore away but other things 
don't seem to wear out, though they must lose fibres as the bucketful of 
lint beside the drier testifies.

I think tumbled towels are much softer! With my first baby I used terry 
nappies. The young Mr P. calculated we would save vast amounts of money 
compared to disposables. I was able to get them clean very easily with 
my top-end Hotpoint washer. Then it came to drying them, and I had a 
huge long line on a drying green, or I hung them from a criss-cross 
rack. All that did was to give the poor little mite a sore rear end. 
Much to Mr P's chagrin, the cure was to dry the nappies in the drier, so 
that they were soft and fluffy and my raw, red baby was soft and pink again.

My mum had a pulley for drying our clothes in the kitchen. Our clothes 
smelled permanently of food. I htink I do prefer Bounce.

Jane

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>
> I think tumbled towels are much softer! With my first baby I used terry 
> nappies. The young Mr P. calculated we would save vast amounts of money 
> compared to disposables. I was able to get them clean very easily with my 
> top-end Hotpoint washer. Then it came to drying them, and I had a huge 
> long line on a drying green, or I hung them from a criss-cross rack. All 
> that did was to give the poor little mite a sore rear end. Much to Mr P's 
> chagrin, the cure was to dry the nappies in the drier, so that they were 
> soft and fluffy and my raw, red baby was soft and pink again.
>

For normal drying I prefer a rougher towel, but certainly babies' bottoms 
deserve something softer.



> My mum had a pulley for drying our clothes in the kitchen. Our clothes 
> smelled permanently of food. I htink I do prefer Bounce.
>

I did have to take all the washing down before preparing curry or something, 
but normal cooking didn't seem to affect it much.

ally

a l l y wrote:


> What a waste! If you have room for a pulley you have the perfect, 
> environmentally-friendly dryer. Fancy hanging flowers on it!
> 
> I ask you....
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

I suppose you can dry flowers and herbs on it at the same time as drying 
your clothes.

Jp

a l l y wrote:


> What? You need a licence to ride a bike in Canada? What about kids? Do they 
> have to pass a test before they're allowed out on their wee tricycles?
> 
> ally 
> 
> 

Yes, I'm curious as to how they apply this law. It would mean that you 
needed a licence to ride a bike.

Mr P and I used to cycle home from the pub (known as "Het Kont Van Het 
Paard" or "The Horse's Arse",) when we lived in Holland. If you can 
remain upright and stick to the cycle lanes, you're OK.

Jp

a l l y wrote:


> 
> I have a good bike that lives in our swallow-infested barn, and every time I 
> want to use it (which isn't often enough, really) I have to clean all their 
> droppings off it first.
> 
> I don't wear a helmet. I like feeling the wind in my hair. I like to live 
> dangerously.
> 
> ally-rebel 


Have you tried putting a plastic bag over your seat? This is what the 
Dutch do when they park their bikes, in case of rain. If you have to 
leave your bike for a long time, try putting a disposable plastic sheet 
from B&Q over it.

Jp

> 
> 

a l l y wrote:

> "Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
> news:42d45fe8$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> 
>>Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:
>>
>>>>Too hot last night. Never slept... No bats, but a
>>>>helicopter doing some very strange manoeuvres just overhead
>>>>at 02:45. Just like being back in Belfast....
>>>>
>>>>Kezzi-ker-nack-ered
>>>
>>>Are you sure it was a helicopter and not aliens pretending o be
>>>a helicopter? It's difficult to tell the difference in the dark
>>>you know.
>>>
>>>Johnny-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop
>>
>>Now then.... it had three lights in a triangular formation: red, green and 
>>white; hovered and then suddenly shot off (well, helicopterish-like).
>>
>>Kezzi-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-wop-whoooooosh...........!
>>
> 
> Hmm.... sounds more like an alien spacecraft to me.... There've been a few 
> sightings of those over the Solway, too.
> 
> ally-solway-triangle 
> 
> 

When my kids were at the High Chair feeding stage we lived a couple of 
miles from Dyce, which is the largest heliport in Europe, or even the 
world. So, when the food was approaching their mouths on a spoon, we 
used to accompany it with "chucka-chucka-chucka-chucka-chucka". Maybe it 
was the sort of helicopter, or closeness.

Jp

a l l y wrote:


> 
> That sounds very sensible. I've been trying to design a winter clothes 
> drying area, since our ceilings really aren't tall enough for a proper 
> pulley. I thought of making a sort of shed without walls - a sort of gazebo, 
> I suppose - with washing lines underneath - or even one of those rotary 
> clothes airer thingies. So you could hang stuff out there and they'd be at 
> least partly protected from the rain. So long as the wind wasn't too high 
> things would dry out there in 2 or 3 days. OK if you're not in a hurry for a 
> clean pair of knickers...
> 
> ally 
> 
> 


There are drying areas on the top of high-rises in London, which have 
drying areas on the roof. They are surrounded by louvred panels, which 
allow the air through.

Jp

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:11:34 -0400, whilst Carstairs had his head
thrust between the maids thighs a note arrived from our good  buddy
Jpinny  .
As Caruthers did not hear the bell, I answered it.
Our buddy, Jpinny  wrote:


>My mum had a pulley for drying our clothes in the kitchen. Our clothes 
>smelled permanently of food.



Gosh!!!

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > My grandad was a Sergeant in the Delhi Mounted Police
> > throughout the '30s and '40s....!
> >
> > Kezzi-skullcracker's-grandson. . .
>
> My grandad was in India with some British artilery unit sometime
> in the 1910's I think. He came back from WWI gassed and moved to
> Cartmel 'for the clean air' and became a postman and a verger at
> Cartmel Priory. My aunt was an British Army nurse in India
> during for the duration of WWII. She came home to Cumbria and
> served as a District Nurse until about 1970 when she moved south
> to Hampshire. No idea why.
>
> Johnny-two-cents


Maybe that's the nurse that stack a blooming big needle in my la'al bottom
every day for 2 weeks trying to save my tonsils. It didn't work. I had to
have them out 3 times. Once in Whitehaven hospital and twice in Carlisle
hospital. Broke my nails trying to reach the toilet when I saw her car in
the street, only door with a bolt on and was coaxed out with the promise of
a new doll. The last two days was ok. The nurse brought a smaller, thinner
syringe, jesus the first suited an elephant.

Edith-runs from people in white coats.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> Noise bylaws here are no noise before 7AM or after 11PM.
>
> Johnny-my-snoring-contravenes-the-bylaws


There you see. Even you have the 7 to 11 rule, while here it is 8 to 10.

Edith.

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>
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> >
> > "a l l y"  wrote in message
> > news:3jkbq2Fqegu7U3@individual.net...
> >>
> >> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:Ix5Be.59607>
> >> > question : not that I see much wale meat about these days.
> >> >
> >> > Should they let the Japs have it all?
> >>
> >> They shouldn't let the Japs have any! Or anyone! How anyone can eat
such
> >> intelligent creatures is beyond me....
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > They're beautiful, aren't they.
> >
> Hmm. Depends on your definition of beauty, but they're certainly amazing
> animals and far too clever to be treated like game birds.
>
> ally


When you are hungry you'll eat anything.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:JN8Be.59648>>
> >> So no wild parties at your gaffe, then?
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > No. Just quiet normal somber ones. Weird ma'an.
> >
> "Normal"? I've never been to a quiet sober party, to my recollection. So
> either your parties aren't normal, or I'm not..... er.... hmm.... oh, look
> over there! A sparrow!
>
> ally-not-normal


LOL. Nice sparrow.

Edith

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > With high percentage. You're rich.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> No. You miss the point. Loans from friendly people at better
> rates than the banks.
>
> Johnny-private-investors-rock


I see. Sorry there.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > I'd rather have a car in this climate, Johnny. I have my
> > drivers license and no car. It's kinda de- grading.
> >
> > Edith Pushbike.
>
> Where would you go if you did have a car?


For my groceries. Out of town. Visit my son and daughter more often.

>
> I have a good bike and rarely use it. A nice blue helmet too. Do
> you wear your helmet? It's important you do as a good example
> for children.
>
> Johnny-hard-head


I don't wear a helmet. I have been stopped in broad daylight for not having
a light at the front. Reflex, back.

Edith

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > I wonder if it was a relative of the same rabbit that did
> > the same to me back in 1980 down at Duddon Bridge. Turned
> > the headlights off and it still sat there. Got out of the
> > car and it was still sitting there. I know they like to sit
> > on the tarmac after a hot day and it might not get so lucky
> > with the next car that came along so I picked it up and it
> > pi$$ed down the front of my Levis. Like bleach that
> > stuff.....
> >
> > Anyway, I put it on the grass verge twice and it just
> > hopped back into the road and sat in front of the car
> > again. Then another car was coming so I picked it up, stuck
> > it on the back seat and drove off. Kept it for a pet until
> > the winter when it had grown so big it was a threat to the
> > dog.
> >
> > Took it back to where I found it and put it in the verge.
> > It sat for a moment, pricked it's ears up, and without one
> > look back or even a, "So long, and thanks for all the
> > dandelion leaves", took off in a direction towards what I
> > could only hope was homeward.....
> >
> > Kezzi-and-the-first-and-last-rabbit-I-had-hold-of-that-I-nev
> > er-ate. . .
>
> What a heart-warming story. That rabbit knew a soft-touch when
> it came across one.
>
> Johnny-dandelions-are-weeds


I think I would like to be Kezzi's bunny.

Edith, running from the rath of KH

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > My granddad was in Darjeeling when your granddad was in
> > India: gosh, perhaps they met...!
> >
> > ally-tenuous-connections
>
> I have a photo of my granddad in India, I think. I'll send it to
> you if I can find it. There's a load of other people in it. You
> never know!
>
> Johnny-sub-continent-connections


Grandads. Don't you meand Dads. WW1 only lasted 4 years and was in
France/Prussia wasn't it?

Edith unknown.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> a l l y wrote:
> > "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:JN8Be.59648>>
> >
> >>>So no wild parties at your gaffe, then?
> >>>
> >>>ally
> >>
> >>No. Just quiet normal somber ones. Weird ma'an.
> >>
> >
> > "Normal"? I've never been to a quiet sober party, to my recollection. So
> > either your parties aren't normal, or I'm not..... er.... hmm.... oh,
look
> > over there! A sparrow!
> >
> > ally-not-normal


You left the m out :0)))))

> >
> >
> The first Dutch party I attended was really wierd. There were chairs
> arranged in a circle around the room. We introduced ourselves to
> everyone there and, as is customary, congratulated them on the occasion
> of the birthday of our host. We drank coffee. Of course, in Britain, the
> coffee is a gentle hint to tell you to go home. Then the cake went
> round. Then more coffee. Then koekjes (cookies) and more cake and more
> coffee.


Kjekks here - biscuits.

>
> Then suddenly, when you are full of caffeine, and incapable of sleep for
> a week, and gagging for the drink that you had anticipated several hours
> earlier, someone gets out the bottle of Genever and they pass it round
> and start to throw back shots of the stuff and everyone gets hammered
> and sings silly songs to accordion music.
>
> Wat gezellig!
>
> Jp


rofl. Same here. If you are invited anywhere, it's for coffee and cakes.
Sweet stuff. So if you are slimming, take your own slim cake.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42d5541d$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> >> My granddad was in Darjeeling when your granddad was in
> >> India: gosh, perhaps they met...!
> >>
> >> ally-tenuous-connections
> >
> > I have a photo of my granddad in India, I think. I'll send it to
> > you if I can find it. There's a load of other people in it. You
> > never know!
> >
> Excellent pic, Johnny, but seems to be a different part of India from my
> granddad's. Well, it's a BIG country...
>
> ally


Please send me the picture too, Johnny.

For there's no one like my Johnny
The one they called Johnny guitar.

Edith

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> I don't wear a helmet. I like feeling the wind in my hair. I like to live
> dangerously.
>
> ally-rebel


That's something I miss here. The Solway's salty wind in my hair.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > These sales persons don't like to walk away with their
> > tails between their legs. They keep going to the bitter
> > end.
> >
> >   Mrs Johnny is a smart lady.
> >
> > Why did you go with her to buy her car?
> >
> > Jp
>
> She asked me to go.
>
> Johnny-does-what-he's-asked


You DO.? Let me think now. Bend over and touch your knees.

Wham!

Always wanted to try out that old batton.

Edith

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> I did have to take all the washing down before preparing curry or
something,
> but normal cooking didn't seem to affect it much.
>
> ally


That's because you smoked and your nose was all bunged up.

bunged bunged bunged.

Edith.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Have you tried putting a plastic bag over your seat? This is what the
> Dutch do when they park their bikes, in case of rain. If you have to
> leave your bike for a long time, try putting a disposable plastic sheet
> from B&Q over it.
>
> Jp


I use a plastic bag same as others. In winter I use a berret like me Dad
used to do and bring it in with me.

Edith.

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:24:47 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>
> > the Taj Mahal (don't know how to spell it)
>
> I T
>
> > the Kiber Pass in Pakistan (?) (don't know how to spell it)
>
> As before I T  <ouch>
>
> Khyber Pass and it's between what is now Pakistan and Afghanistan.
> Though Pakistan was part of India until 1947.
>
> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.html
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Thanks Dave,

What a place to be, especially now.

Edith.

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> Grandads. Don't you meand Dads. WW1 only lasted 4 years and was in
> France/Prussia wasn't it?
>

No, granddads, though one of mine wasn't involved as he was busy building 
bridges and other large engineering works in Northern India.

WW1 may have only lasted 4 years but it was justly called a 'World' war as 
it spread its lethal tentacles across many continents. Vast numbers of young 
lads went off to serve their countries and were cut down in their prime: 
vast numbers more came back horrifically wounded or shell-shocked or gassed. 
They suffered unimaginable horrors in the trenches in parts of Europe that 
seem peaceful and serene today. You used to come across these old blokes 
with a faraway look in their eyes, who would never talk about their war. 
They kept it all bottled up inside for decades. There was a whole generation 
of women who never married because there simply weren't enough men left to 
go round.

Read about it here, Edith, if you've got time: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war_1

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:MdpBe.59713>


> When you are hungry you'll eat anything.
>


Of course! I'd eat it myself if the choice was between the whale's life and 
mine. But the people who are killing whales these days aren't doing it 
because they're hungry - they simply want to eat whale meat. It's not like 
there's nothing else for them to eat.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:aBpBe.59720>

> rofl. Same here. If you are invited anywhere, it's for coffee and cakes.
> Sweet stuff. So if you are slimming, take your own slim cake.
>

Now that I can't eat stuff made from flour I get rather hungry at these sort 
of tea parties (well, coffee parties in your part of the world). They offer 
you biscuits and cakes and you have to refuse politely. You find yourself 
eyeing up the fruit bowl on the dresser, but nobody offers you an apple or 
anything, (they're probably saving them for a big fruit party later that 
you're not invited to) so you're stuck sipping tea while everyone else is 
scoffing cream cakes. No wonder I'm losing weight...

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>a l l y wrote:
>
>> What a waste! If you have room for a pulley you have the perfect, 
>> environmentally-friendly dryer. Fancy hanging flowers on it!
>>
>> I ask you....
>>
>> ally
> I suppose you can dry flowers and herbs on it at the same time as drying 
> your clothes.
>

What a nice, sensible compromise. You are a nice, sensible person, jp.

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>
> There are drying areas on the top of high-rises in London, which have 
> drying areas on the roof. They are surrounded by louvred panels, which 
> allow the air through.
>

That sounds a good idea. Not very practical on an old-fashioned roof like 
ours, mind you...

I just received some junk mail for awnings to erect over your patio. Not 
that we have anything as grand as a patio, but maybe we could put an awning 
over the bit of ground round the back beside where I park the car. I 
wonder... Might work...

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3jlguvFqmigoU1@individual.net...
>> I did have to take all the washing down before preparing curry or
> something,
>> but normal cooking didn't seem to affect it much.
>>
>> ally
>
> That's because you smoked and your nose was all bunged up.
>

You're probably right. The washing probably smelled of a mixture of 
cigarette smoke, cooking and fumes from the solid-fuel stove. Lovely.

ally

"Jpinny"  wrote in message 
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>
> Have you tried putting a plastic bag over your seat? This is what the 
> Dutch do when they park their bikes, in case of rain. If you have to leave 
> your bike for a long time, try putting a disposable plastic sheet from B&Q 
> over it.
>

That's your second Sensible Idea this morning JP! Excellent stuff! JP, the 
Queen Of Sensible Ideas!

I have been known to leave a plastic carrier bag over my seat if I have to 
park my bike somewhere on a rainy day, but for some reason it never occurred 
to me to take this idea back home.

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:MdpBe.59713>
>
> > When you are hungry you'll eat anything.
> >
>
> Of course! I'd eat it myself if the choice was between the whale's life
and
> mine. But the people who are killing whales these days aren't doing it
> because they're hungry - they simply want to eat whale meat. It's not like
> there's nothing else for them to eat.
>
> ally


I'd say it's more for the money, Ally. It costs a fortune to buy a little
bit and the meat is very very nourishing.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:aBpBe.59720>
> > rofl. Same here. If you are invited anywhere, it's for coffee and cakes.
> > Sweet stuff. So if you are slimming, take your own slim cake.
> >
> Now that I can't eat stuff made from flour I get rather hungry at these
sort
> of tea parties (well, coffee parties in your part of the world). They
offer
> you biscuits and cakes and you have to refuse politely. You find yourself
> eyeing up the fruit bowl on the dresser, but nobody offers you an apple or
> anything, (they're probably saving them for a big fruit party later that
> you're not invited to) so you're stuck sipping tea while everyone else is
> scoffing cream cakes. No wonder I'm losing weight...
>
> ally


Why can't you eat flour products, Ally?

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> Read about it here, Edith, if you've got time:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war_1
>
> ally


Phewy. Wars are something awful and diplomacy doesn't seem to work either.
Men!

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:gbjBe.1731$2c7.1281@fe11.lga...
> >
> > There are drying areas on the top of high-rises in London, which have
> > drying areas on the roof. They are surrounded by louvred panels, which
> > allow the air through.
> >
> That sounds a good idea. Not very practical on an old-fashioned roof like
> ours, mind you...
>
> I just received some junk mail for awnings to erect over your patio. Not
> that we have anything as grand as a patio, but maybe we could put an
awning
> over the bit of ground round the back beside where I park the car. I
> wonder... Might work...
>
> ally


or put the awning over the car :0) - OR - sew a hat for your car with your
big green-you know whats.

Edith Discovery Channel.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:RIpBe.59725$Fe7.195419@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > "a l l y"  wrote in message
> > news:3jlguvFqmigoU1@individual.net...
> >> I did have to take all the washing down before preparing curry or
> > something,
> >> but normal cooking didn't seem to affect it much.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > That's because you smoked and your nose was all bunged up.
> >
> You're probably right. The washing probably smelled of a mixture of
> cigarette smoke, cooking and fumes from the solid-fuel stove. Lovely.
>
> ally


uuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggg where's me sicky bag.

Edith

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Jpinny"  wrote in message
> news:SCiBe.1693$2c7.1105@fe11.lga...
> >
> > Have you tried putting a plastic bag over your seat? This is what the
> > Dutch do when they park their bikes, in case of rain. If you have to
leave
> > your bike for a long time, try putting a disposable plastic sheet from
B&Q
> > over it.
> >
> That's your second Sensible Idea this morning JP! Excellent stuff! JP, the
> Queen Of Sensible Ideas!
>
> I have been known to leave a plastic carrier bag over my seat if I have to
> park my bike somewhere on a rainy day, but for some reason it never
occurred
> to me to take this idea back home.
>
> ally


That's coss yer brain is all bunged oop wid antioxidants.

Edith can small a fish a mile off.

a l l y wrote:

> "The Traveller"  wrote in message 
> news:SvpBe.59718$Fe7.195372@news000.worldonline.dk...
> 
>>Grandads. Don't you meand Dads. WW1 only lasted 4 years and was in
>>France/Prussia wasn't it?
>>
> 
> No, granddads, though one of mine wasn't involved as he was busy building 
> bridges and other large engineering works in Northern India.
> 
> WW1 may have only lasted 4 years but it was justly called a 'World' war as 
> it spread its lethal tentacles across many continents. Vast numbers of young 
> lads went off to serve their countries and were cut down in their prime: 
> vast numbers more came back horrifically wounded or shell-shocked or gassed. 
> They suffered unimaginable horrors in the trenches in parts of Europe that 
> seem peaceful and serene today. You used to come across these old blokes 
> with a faraway look in their eyes, who would never talk about their war. 
> They kept it all bottled up inside for decades. There was a whole generation 
> of women who never married because there simply weren't enough men left to 
> go round.
> 
> Read about it here, Edith, if you've got time: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war_1
> 
> ally 
> 

Yes, it was my grandparents' generation, too. One of my grandfathers 
lied about his age to join the Royal Flying Corps, (whichever it was 
that later became the RAF). The other one was a farmer.

The war cemeteries in Northern France and in Flanders are a sad reminder 
of the true cost of war, but the Menin Gate in Ypres is even more 
harrowing,  inscribed as it is with the names of thousands upon 
thousands of men and women from all over the then British Empire and the 
United States, who were simply annihilated or lost in the mud.

Such a waste.

Jp

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:58:22 +0200, The Traveller wrote:


> What a place to be, especially now.


I nearly went about 10 years ago. A nice little overland trip 
following the Silk Road. I'd have probably started from Islamabad, 
gone to Peshawar and a trip up the Kyhber Pass if the train was 
running, Afghanistan was effectievly closed at that time. North 
through Gilgit and pick up the Karakoram Highway over into China 
through the Khunjerab Pass (4730m, 15,500') onto Kashgar finally head 
East ending up in Xian and Beijing again. Going west from Kashghar to 
Samarkand or Taskent would have been fun but very difficult at that 
time.

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:58:22 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>
> > What a place to be, especially now.
>
> I nearly went about 10 years ago. A nice little overland trip
> following the Silk Road. I'd have probably started from Islamabad,
> gone to Peshawar and a trip up the Kyhber Pass if the train was
> running, Afghanistan was effectievly closed at that time. North
> through Gilgit and pick up the Karakoram Highway over into China
> through the Khunjerab Pass (4730m, 15,500') onto Kashgar finally head
> East ending up in Xian and Beijing again. Going west from Kashghar to
> Samarkand or Taskent would have been fun but very difficult at that
> time.
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Fun. D'you think so, Dave. Shiver me blooming timbers. I wouldn't go there
if I was bribed by the stash of Ali Baba's fourty thieves.

Edith No-bribe.

Edith No-go.

> Grandads. Don't you meand Dads. WW1 only lasted 4 years and
> was in France/Prussia wasn't it?
> 
> Edith unknown.


I'm not as ancient as you are Edith.

My dad was a WWII verteran. His dad was a WWI veteran. I am a 
verteran of the sixties 'Make Love Not War' movement.

Johnny-long-hair-in-sixties

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> Maybe that's the nurse that stack a blooming big needle in
> my la'al bottom every day for 2 weeks trying to save my
> tonsils. It didn't work. I had to have them out 3 times.
> Once in Whitehaven hospital and twice in Carlisle hospital.
> Broke my nails trying to reach the toilet when I saw her
> car in the street, only door with a bolt on and was coaxed
> out with the promise of a new doll. The last two days was
> ok. The nurse brought a smaller, thinner syringe, jesus the
> first suited an elephant. 
> 
> Edith-runs from people in white coats.


Not my aunt. She was a real sweety. I mean is! She's enjoying 
retirement in OZ.

Johnny-still-a-nephew

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Grandads. Don't you meand Dads. WW1 only lasted 4 years and
> > was in France/Prussia wasn't it?
> >
> > Edith unknown.
>
> I'm not as ancient as you are Edith.
>
> My dad was a WWII verteran. His dad was a WWI veteran. I am a
> verteran of the sixties 'Make Love Not War' movement.
>
> Johnny-long-hair-in-sixties


I'm more like a rock around the clocker, Johnny. Me Grandda wuz in't fust
und me Dad wuz in't second. No disrespect.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Maybe that's the nurse that stack a blooming big needle in
> > my la'al bottom every day for 2 weeks trying to save my
> > tonsils. It didn't work. I had to have them out 3 times.
> > Once in Whitehaven hospital and twice in Carlisle hospital.
> > Broke my nails trying to reach the toilet when I saw her
> > car in the street, only door with a bolt on and was coaxed
> > out with the promise of a new doll. The last two days was
> > ok. The nurse brought a smaller, thinner syringe, jesus the
> > first suited an elephant.
> >
> > Edith-runs from people in white coats.
>
> Not my aunt. She was a real sweety. I mean is! She's enjoying
> retirement in OZ.
>
> Johnny-still-a-nephew


This one was a sweety too, except she hadn't discovered there was more than
one size syringe until me Mam reminded her (nicely, like. Honest.)

Edith can't, I mean, couldn't sit down.

> What? You need a licence to ride a bike in Canada? What
> about kids? Do they have to pass a test before they're
> allowed out on their wee tricycles? 
> 
> ally 


No license required. But if you are operating a bicycle and have 
a driver's license, then your moving violations on the bicycle 
are held against your driver's licence.

So if you are a point or two from losing your driver's license 
because you drive too fast in your car, then you go for a nice 
ride on your bike and run a stop sign, you'd get a ticket and 
lose your last points and lose your driver's license.

They are extending it to operating boats too. Drunk boat/sea-doo 
driving goes against your vehicle license now too for example.

Johnny-full-compliment-of-points

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> Hmmm..... ;-)
> 
> ally 


It's true. And not all bad either.

Johnny-reliable

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> When I was at school Biology was looked on as the soft
> option amongst the sciences. If you were clever you did
> Physics or Chemistry, but those who couldn't quite manage
> those would settle for Biology. Hence the emergence of the
> lesser-brained biologist. 
> 
> ally-did-all-three 


Same here. I did biology in first year but never again. Now I 
wish I had taken geology instead.

Johnny-chemistry-graduate

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> That sounds a good idea. Not very practical on an
> old-fashioned roof like ours, mind you...
> 
> I just received some junk mail for awnings to erect over
> your patio. Not that we have anything as grand as a patio,
> but maybe we could put an awning over the bit of ground
> round the back beside where I park the car. I wonder...
> Might work... 
> 
> ally 


Why not put an awning on the side of the car? Then you would 
have a shady place to sit wherever you went!

Johnny-another-great-idea

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> You DO.? Let me think now. Bend over and touch your knees.
> 
> Wham!
> 
> Always wanted to try out that old batton.
> 
> Edith


The policy only extends to my wife.

Johnny-not-crazy

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > When I was at school Biology was looked on as the soft
> > option amongst the sciences. If you were clever you did
> > Physics or Chemistry, but those who couldn't quite manage
> > those would settle for Biology. Hence the emergence of the
> > lesser-brained biologist.
> >
> > ally-did-all-three
>
> Same here. I did biology in first year but never again. Now I
> wish I had taken geology instead.
>
> Johnny-chemistry-graduate


So you still don't know what those soft white fluffy long thing are in the
bathroom with a loop at each end?

Rack and ruin.
Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > That sounds a good idea. Not very practical on an
> > old-fashioned roof like ours, mind you...
> >
> > I just received some junk mail for awnings to erect over
> > your patio. Not that we have anything as grand as a patio,
> > but maybe we could put an awning over the bit of ground
> > round the back beside where I park the car. I wonder...
> > Might work...
> >
> > ally
>
> Why not put an awning on the side of the car? Then you would
> have a shady place to sit wherever you went!
>
> Johnny-another-great-idea


Why not just aw everything.? Aw'd beans. Aw'd cabbages. Awd langsyne

Aw-some Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > You DO.? Let me think now. Bend over and touch your knees.
> >
> > Wham!
> >
> > Always wanted to try out that old batton.
> >
> > Edith
>
> The policy only extends to my wife.
>
> Johnny-not-crazy


Johnny Pie. Johnny pie. Kissed the girls and made them cry.

Naughty Edith

Gosh!!!

Gosh!!!

Gosh!!!

> So you still don't know what those soft white fluffy long
> thing are in the bathroom with a loop at each end?
> 
> Rack and ruin.
> Edith.


Soft white fluffy long things? Feather boas!

Johnny-you're-the-loopey-one

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> Johnny Pie. Johnny pie. Kissed the girls and made them cry.
> 
> Naughty Edith


They don't cry.

Johnny-made-them-smile

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > So you still don't know what those soft white fluffy long
> > thing are in the bathroom with a loop at each end?
> >
> > Rack and ruin.
> > Edith.
>
> Soft white fluffy long things? Feather boas!
>
> Johnny-you're-the-loopey-one


boas ? Boa=Any of several chiefly tropical constrictors with vestigial hind
limbs.

Ohmygawd. He's done for.

Edith-GOODNIGHT!

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Johnny Pie. Johnny pie. Kissed the girls and made them cry.
> >
> > Naughty Edith
>
> They don't cry.
>
> Johnny-made-them-smile


I would.

:oP

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> Grandads. Don't you meand Dads. WW1 only lasted 4 years and
>> was in France/Prussia wasn't it?
>>
>> Edith unknown.
>
> I'm not as ancient as you are Edith.
>
> My dad was a WWII verteran. His dad was a WWI veteran. I am a
> verteran of the sixties 'Make Love Not War' movement.
>
> Johnny-long-hair-in-sixties
>

I knew it. A fellow spirit.

ally-flower-power-in-sixties

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:58:22 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>
>> What a place to be, especially now.
>
> I nearly went about 10 years ago. A nice little overland trip
> following the Silk Road. I'd have probably started from Islamabad,
> gone to Peshawar and a trip up the Kyhber Pass if the train was
> running, Afghanistan was effectievly closed at that time. North
> through Gilgit and pick up the Karakoram Highway over into China
> through the Khunjerab Pass (4730m, 15,500') onto Kashgar finally head
> East ending up in Xian and Beijing again. Going west from Kashghar to
> Samarkand or Taskent would have been fun but very difficult at that
> time.
>

I have an ambition to go to Darjeeling in India to see the house my granddad 
built and the road named after him, but to travel overland all the way. Do 
you think this is possible at all in today's political climate? Might be 
easier to go across northern Asia (what used to be parts of the USSR)? I'd 
like to get sponsorship from a travel magazine or TV station or something. I 
could write up the journey, or video myself and whoever was travelling with 
me, and bring it all back as the basis of a book, article or TV programme. 
What do you think?

ally-big-ideas

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:SNqBe.59737>

> Why can't you eat flour products, Ally?
>

I think I am at the least gluten intolerant. Haven't seen a doctor, but it 
could be ceoliac disease. Since I gave up gluten in spring last year I've 
felt 100% fitter and healthier so I won't go back on it. It means avoiding 
anything containing even a speck of wheat, barley or rye, which can be quite 
tricky at times, especially when you're eating out.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> or put the awning over the car :0) - OR - sew a hat for your car with your
> big green-you know whats.
>

Naaah... the car can fend for itself. It's waterproof. It's the lines of 
washing that need protecting.

ally-off-to-add-a-hat-to-her-car-with-photoshop

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> That sounds a good idea. Not very practical on an
>> old-fashioned roof like ours, mind you...
>>
>> I just received some junk mail for awnings to erect over
>> your patio. Not that we have anything as grand as a patio,
>> but maybe we could put an awning over the bit of ground
>> round the back beside where I park the car. I wonder...
>> Might work...
>>
>> ally
>
> Why not put an awning on the side of the car? Then you would
> have a shady place to sit wherever you went!
>
> Johnny-another-great-idea
>

Yeah, but it would catch the wind as I drove along, wouldn't it? Oh, I see, 
you mean I should roll it up while travelling? Hmm. But there's only a few 
days in the year when you need a shady spot in Cumbria. Most of the time 
it's the waterproof sort of awning I'd need.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:hVqBe.59741>> >

>> You're probably right. The washing probably smelled of a mixture of
>> cigarette smoke, cooking and fumes from the solid-fuel stove. Lovely.
>>
>> ally
>
> uuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggg where's me sicky bag.
>

Just as well you didn't know me back then, eh Edith?

ally-with-a-smelly-past

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>
> No license required. But if you are operating a bicycle and have
> a driver's license, then your moving violations on the bicycle
> are held against your driver's licence.
>
> So if you are a point or two from losing your driver's license
> because you drive too fast in your car, then you go for a nice
> ride on your bike and run a stop sign, you'd get a ticket and
> lose your last points and lose your driver's license.
>
> They are extending it to operating boats too. Drunk boat/sea-doo
> driving goes against your vehicle license now too for example.
>

Bloody hell. You're not safe anywhere!

So what happens if you don't happen to have a driver's licence and commit an 
offence in charge of a bike or a boat?

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> Hmmm..... ;-)
>>
>> ally
>
> It's true. And not all bad either.
>
> Johnny-reliable
>

I don't doubt it. I was just working out what I was planning to ask you to 
do....

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> When I was at school Biology was looked on as the soft
>> option amongst the sciences. If you were clever you did
>> Physics or Chemistry, but those who couldn't quite manage
>> those would settle for Biology. Hence the emergence of the
>> lesser-brained biologist.
>>
>> ally-did-all-three
>
> Same here. I did biology in first year but never again. Now I
> wish I had taken geology instead.
>
> Johnny-chemistry-graduate
>

Oh I wish they'd had geology as a school subject when I was at school! I'd 
have loved that. I did Higher Geography, but mainly because I was fascinated 
by the scientific side of it, and because I've always loved maps. I didn't 
get as high marks as I might have because I wasnt' so interested in what 
they called Political Geography - stuff about which countries produced which 
products and so on. Bo...ring... It's all changed now anyway - it's no use 
knowing which parts of Britain produce the best coal, or where the best 
shipyards or steelworks are...

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> So you still don't know what those soft white fluffy long
>> thing are in the bathroom with a loop at each end?
>>
>> Rack and ruin.
>> Edith.
>
> Soft white fluffy long things? Feather boas!
>

I think she may be talking about loofahs, though 'fluffy' they're not!

Johnny - do you really keep a feather boa in your bathroom? Questions are 
being asked....

ally

a l l y wrote:

> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijmmmb0.pminews@news.howhill.com...
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:58:22 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>>
>>> What a place to be, especially now.
>>
>> I nearly went about 10 years ago. A nice little overland trip
>> following the Silk Road. I'd have probably started from Islamabad,
>> gone to Peshawar and a trip up the Kyhber Pass if the train was
>> running, Afghanistan was effectievly closed at that time. North
>> through Gilgit and pick up the Karakoram Highway over into China
>> through the Khunjerab Pass (4730m, 15,500') onto Kashgar finally head
>> East ending up in Xian and Beijing again. Going west from Kashghar to
>> Samarkand or Taskent would have been fun but very difficult at that
>> time.
>>
> I have an ambition to go to Darjeeling in India to see the house my
> granddad built and the road named after him, but to travel overland
> all the way. Do you think this is possible at all in today's
> political climate? Might be easier to go across northern Asia (what
> used to be parts of the USSR)? I'd like to get sponsorship from a
> travel magazine or TV station or something. I could write up the
> journey, or video myself and whoever was travelling with me, and
> bring it all back as the basis of a book, article or TV programme.
> What do you think?
>
> ally-big-ideas


ISTR that building the final rail link in Iran is being planned.

Al



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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:49:30 +0100, a l l y wrote:


> I have an ambition to go to Darjeeling in India to see the house my 
> granddad built and the road named after him, but to travel overland 
> all the way.


WTFI Darjeeling? ...google...

It's the Bangaldesh side so you have the Himalaya in the way if you go 
to far north are there any passes through the Himalaya? Unfortunately 
I don't have a decent paper Atlas to look at and web maps take ages to 
find and are never quite good enough. <later> The CIA World Fact book 
isn't bad, thats what I used to roughly plot the following.


> Do you think this is possible at all in today's political climate? 


I'd avoid Iraq and Afghanistan so a possible route might be Turkey > 
Iran > Turkmenistan > Uzbekistan > Tajikistan or Krygyzstan > China. 
Simpler get across the Caspian Sea or go via Russia to Kazakhstan then 
straight to China. Once in China  across the India/Chinese border into 
West Bengal and Darjeeling. 

Personally the first route sounds far more interesting and 
challanging. I don't know how open those borders are though, you'd be 
more or less be travelling the western end of the Silk Road into China 
then dropping south towards Nepal/India/Bhutan.

The overland (no boats) trip I'd really like to do is Lands End (I 
think, most Westerly bit of land connected Europe) to which ever bit 
of the North American continent is the most Easterly land connected. 
Needs lots of money and specialist transport to get across the Baring 
Straight when it's frozen though, the rest is a walk by comparison...

-- 
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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

Johnny@ominous.portent <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote:

>> Johnny Pie. Johnny pie. Kissed the girls and made them cry.
>>
>> Naughty Edith
>
> They don't cry.
>
> Johnny-made-them-smile


Some were laffin' Johnny...

Kezzi-tells-it-how-it-is. . .

Meatloaf wrote:

> Gosh!!!


!!!!Hsog



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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:43:46 퍭, The Traveller wrote:


>> Going west from Kashghar to Samarkand or Taskent would have been 
>> fun but very difficult at that time.
> 
> Fun. D'you think so, Dave. 


Fun as in challenging, it all depends how you can handle the living on 
less than £10/day all in (food, accommodation and travel) and, 
probably more important, handle the culture shock not of the basic 
living but the real culture of the place. 

Budget travelling is easy with a bit of fore thought and research of 
the areas, so you go in with your eyes open. Humans everywhere only 
*need* the basics of water, food, shelter and warmth and everyone 
understands those requirements even without a common spoken language. 
I'd love to go off again, that part of the world along the Silk Road 
really appeals but these days most of the Silk Road is very heavyly 
travelled so I'd rather find the Silk Track...

-- 
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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijmmmb0.pminews@news.howhill.com...
> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:58:22 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
> >
> >> What a place to be, especially now.
> >
> > I nearly went about 10 years ago. A nice little overland trip
> > following the Silk Road. I'd have probably started from Islamabad,
> > gone to Peshawar and a trip up the Kyhber Pass if the train was
> > running, Afghanistan was effectievly closed at that time. North
> > through Gilgit and pick up the Karakoram Highway over into China
> > through the Khunjerab Pass (4730m, 15,500') onto Kashgar finally head
> > East ending up in Xian and Beijing again. Going west from Kashghar to
> > Samarkand or Taskent would have been fun but very difficult at that
> > time.
> >
> I have an ambition to go to Darjeeling in India to see the house my
granddad
> built and the road named after him, but to travel overland all the way. Do
> you think this is possible at all in today's political climate? Might be
> easier to go across northern Asia (what used to be parts of the USSR)? I'd
> like to get sponsorship from a travel magazine or TV station or something.
I
> could write up the journey, or video myself and whoever was travelling
with
> me, and bring it all back as the basis of a book, article or TV programme.
> What do you think?
>
> ally-big-ideas


Very good idea. Stay in Cumbria.

Edith.

>
>

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42d665fb$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> >> Hmmm..... ;-)
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > It's true. And not all bad either.
> >
> > Johnny-reliable
> >
> I don't doubt it. I was just working out what I was planning to ask you to
> do....
>
> ally


Ask 'in tuh tekk yer for a walk down lover's lane but don't let 'im kiss
yuh. I bet he won't.

Edith Knowsall.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42d6d390_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> >> So you still don't know what those soft white fluffy long
> >> thing are in the bathroom with a loop at each end?
> >>
> >> Rack and ruin.
> >> Edith.
> >
> > Soft white fluffy long things? Feather boas!
> >
> I think she may be talking about loofahs, though 'fluffy' they're not!
>
> Johnny - do you really keep a feather boa in your bathroom? Questions are
> being asked....
>
> ally


Cors he does. How else can he get the wax out.

Edith.

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:49:30 +0100, a l l y wrote:

Big snip.
> Personally the first route sounds far more interesting and
> challanging. I don't know how open those borders are though, you'd be
> more or less be travelling the western end of the Silk Road into China
> then dropping south towards Nepal/India/Bhutan.
>
> The overland (no boats) trip I'd really like to do is Lands End (I
> think, most Westerly bit of land connected Europe) to which ever bit
> of the North American continent is the most Easterly land connected.
> Needs lots of money and specialist transport to get across the Baring
> Straight when it's frozen though, the rest is a walk by comparison...
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Or, you could take the terrorist route. They always seem to get to where
they're going.

Edith

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:43:46 +0200, The Traveller wrote:


>> Going west from Kashghar to Samarkand or Taskent would have been
>> fun but very difficult at that time.
>
> Fun. D'you think so, Dave.


Fun as in challenging, it all depends how you can handle the living on
less than 10/day all in (food, accommodation and travel) and,
probably more important, handle the culture shock not of the basic
living but the real culture of the place.

Budget travelling is easy with a bit of fore thought and research of
the areas, so you go in with your eyes open. Humans everywhere only
*need* the basics of water, food, shelter and warmth and everyone
understands those requirements even without a common spoken language.
I'd love to go off again, that part of the world along the Silk Road
really appeals but these days most of the Silk Road is very heavyly
travelled so I'd rather find the Silk Track...

--
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

I don't know what the silk road is, Dave. Why is it called the silk road.?
Does it have to do with moving Indu silk to Europe?

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:hVqBe.59741>> >
> >> You're probably right. The washing probably smelled of a mixture of
> >> cigarette smoke, cooking and fumes from the solid-fuel stove. Lovely.
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > uuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggg where's me sicky bag.
> >
> Just as well you didn't know me back then, eh Edith?
>
> ally-with-a-smelly-past


Back then I probably wouldn't have noticed, Ally.

Edith.

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message >

> It's the Bangaldesh side so you have the Himalaya in the way if you go
> to far north are there any passes through the Himalaya?


I really don't want to cross the Himalayas. I was thinking more of sitting 
in a train, not carting mountaineering gear around...


>
> I'd avoid Iraq and Afghanistan so a possible route might be Turkey >
> Iran > Turkmenistan > Uzbekistan > Tajikistan or Krygyzstan > China.
> Simpler get across the Caspian Sea or go via Russia to Kazakhstan then
> straight to China. Once in China  across the India/Chinese border into
> West Bengal and Darjeeling.
>
> Personally the first route sounds far more interesting and
> challanging. I don't know how open those borders are though, you'd be
> more or less be travelling the western end of the Silk Road into China
> then dropping south towards Nepal/India/Bhutan.


They both sound pretty exciting to me. The farthest east I've travelled is 
Ancona in Italy.


>
> The overland (no boats) trip I'd really like to do is Lands End (I
> think, most Westerly bit of land connected Europe) to which ever bit
> of the North American continent is the most Easterly land connected.
> Needs lots of money and specialist transport to get across the Baring
> Straight when it's frozen though, the rest is a walk by comparison...
>

Land's End? How are you going to get across the English Channel? Or are you 
thinking of Cap Finisterre or something? You need a dog team to get across 
the frozen Bering Straits, I think, to Alaska. Lovely idea.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> "a l l y"  wrote in message
> news:3jo5adFr1n6hU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:hVqBe.59741>> >
>> >> You're probably right. The washing probably smelled of a mixture of
>> >> cigarette smoke, cooking and fumes from the solid-fuel stove. Lovely.
>> >>
>> >> ally
>> >
>> > uuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggg where's me sicky bag.
>> >
>> Just as well you didn't know me back then, eh Edith?
>>
>> ally-with-a-smelly-past
>
> Back then I probably wouldn't have noticed, Ally.
>

I think we were all a bit smellier back then. People didn't wash as much 
either, did they? A bath once a week whether you needed it or not, eh?

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:7jMBe.59856>

> Ask 'in tuh tekk yer for a walk down lover's lane but don't let 'im kiss
> yuh. I bet he won't.
>

No. Not really.

I was thinking of those forfeits & dares games we used to play. You'd dare 
someone to do something, and if they failed to do it they'd have to pay a 
forfeit. Some of the dares involved saying something cheeky to strangers, or 
dancing in the middle of the road, or other slightly embarrassing things, 
but some people suggested dares that were downright dangerous or illegal.

ally

> I think she may be talking about loofahs, though 'fluffy'
> they're not! 
> 
> Johnny - do you really keep a feather boa in your bathroom?
> Questions are being asked....
> 
> ally 


We have a loofah in our shower. I've never even seen a feather 
boa in real life. Maybe some people have them in their 
bathrooms. People can be wierd.

Johnny-not-so-wierd

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> I would.
> 
>:oP


You'd never get the chance.

Johnny-discriminating

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> Some were laffin' Johnny...
> 
> Kezzi-tells-it-how-it-is. . . 


I'm a very funny guy, Kez. No worries.

Johnny-humourous

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> Yeah, but it would catch the wind as I drove along,
> wouldn't it? Oh, I see, you mean I should roll it up while
> travelling? Hmm. But there's only a few days in the year
> when you need a shady spot in Cumbria. Most of the time 
> it's the waterproof sort of awning I'd need. 
> 
> ally 


I'm sure a suitable awning that could serve as both a sun and 
rain shield is available. You see these roll-up awnings on the 
sides of RV's all the time.

Maybe Kez knows where you can pick up a 'previously enjoyed' 
gypsie caravan. You could tow that around or park it beside the 
barn. You could dry your laundry in it by day and sleep in it at 
night.

You could let Edith use it when she visits. You often see old 
goats grazing near a gypsie caravan.

Johnny-more-and-more-ideas

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> Bloody hell. You're not safe anywhere!
> 
> So what happens if you don't happen to have a driver's
> licence and commit an offence in charge of a bike or a
> boat? 
> 
> ally 


You just get the ticket and fine.

Johnny-never-happened-to-me-of-course

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> Ask 'in tuh tekk yer for a walk down lover's lane but don't
> let 'im kiss yuh. I bet he won't.
> 
> Edith Knowsall.


You have a dirty mind.

Johnny-old-faithful

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> No. Not really.
> 
> I was thinking of those forfeits & dares games we used to
> play. You'd dare someone to do something, and if they
> failed to do it they'd have to pay a forfeit. Some of the
> dares involved saying something cheeky to strangers, or 
> dancing in the middle of the road, or other slightly
> embarrassing things, but some people suggested dares that
> were downright dangerous or illegal. 
> 
> ally 


Is this where 'truth or dare' - the fad game made famous by 
Madonna - came from?

Johnny-never-played

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> Oh I wish they'd had geology as a school subject when I was
> at school! I'd have loved that. I did Higher Geography, but
> mainly because I was fascinated by the scientific side of
> it, and because I've always loved maps. I didn't get as
> high marks as I might have because I wasnt' so interested
> in what they called Political Geography - stuff about which
> countries produced which products and so on. Bo...ring...
> It's all changed now anyway - it's no use knowing which
> parts of Britain produce the best coal, or where the best 
> shipyards or steelworks are...
> 
> ally 


It was Bill Bryson's recent book that changed my mind on 
geology. Back in school, geology seemed as bad as biology and so 
I took biology 'cause it was predominantly girls. I thought both 
sujects were boring and good marks went to people who had good 
memories, not necessarily smart people. Bryson opened my eyes to 
how much of what we know about the earth and the universe is due 
to intrepid geologists.

Johnny-rock-steady

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"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message >
> > It's the Bangaldesh side so you have the Himalaya in the way if you go
> > to far north are there any passes through the Himalaya?
>
> I really don't want to cross the Himalayas. I was thinking more of sitting
> in a train, not carting mountaineering gear around...
>
> >
> > I'd avoid Iraq and Afghanistan so a possible route might be Turkey >
> > Iran > Turkmenistan > Uzbekistan > Tajikistan or Krygyzstan > China.
> > Simpler get across the Caspian Sea or go via Russia to Kazakhstan then
> > straight to China. Once in China  across the India/Chinese border into
> > West Bengal and Darjeeling.
> >
> > Personally the first route sounds far more interesting and
> > challanging. I don't know how open those borders are though, you'd be
> > more or less be travelling the western end of the Silk Road into China
> > then dropping south towards Nepal/India/Bhutan.
>
> They both sound pretty exciting to me. The farthest east I've travelled is
> Ancona in Italy.
>
> >
> > The overland (no boats) trip I'd really like to do is Lands End (I
> > think, most Westerly bit of land connected Europe) to which ever bit
> > of the North American continent is the most Easterly land connected.
> > Needs lots of money and specialist transport to get across the Baring
> > Straight when it's frozen though, the rest is a walk by comparison...
> >
> Land's End? How are you going to get across the English Channel? Or are
you
> thinking of Cap Finisterre or something? You need a dog team to get across
> the frozen Bering Straits, I think, to Alaska. Lovely idea.
>
> ally


Pioneering Ally, Sees things thro' rose coloured glass windows. Thank
goodness I'm not alone in Oz

Edith.

BTW I've been east to Newcastle.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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> >> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:hVqBe.59741>>
>
> >> >> You're probably right. The washing probably smelled of a mixture of
> >> >> cigarette smoke, cooking and fumes from the solid-fuel stove.
Lovely.
> >> >>
> >> >> ally
> >> >
> >> > uuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggg where's me sicky bag.
> >> >
> >> Just as well you didn't know me back then, eh Edith?
> >>
> >> ally-with-a-smelly-past
> >
> > Back then I probably wouldn't have noticed, Ally.
> >
> I think we were all a bit smellier back then. People didn't wash as much
> either, did they? A bath once a week whether you needed it or not, eh?
>
> ally


I used to smell like a bunch of violets after a bath. How did you smell?

Smelly ol' Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message news:7jMBe.59856>
> > Ask 'im tuh tekk yer for a walk down lover's lane but don't let 'im kiss
> > yuh. I bet he won't.
> >
> No. Not really.
>
> I was thinking of those forfeits & dares games we used to play. You'd dare
> someone to do something, and if they failed to do it they'd have to pay a
> forfeit. Some of the dares involved saying something cheeky to strangers,
or
> dancing in the middle of the road, or other slightly embarrassing things,
> but some people suggested dares that were downright dangerous or illegal.
>
> ally


Me, the latter. I can't believe I got away with it. I should be dead or in a
wheelchair.

Edith-lost-her-nerve-thankgawd.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > I think she may be talking about loofahs, though 'fluffy'
> > they're not!
> >
> > Johnny - do you really keep a feather boa in your bathroom?
> > Questions are being asked....
> >
> > ally
>
> We have a loofah in our shower. I've never even seen a feather
> boa in real life. Maybe some people have them in their
> bathrooms. People can be wierd.
>
> Johnny-not-so-wierd


In our days we didn't even have a bath. We used to wait until it rained then
go out in't back yard with a block of Carbolic.

Edith Longnose.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Yeah, but it would catch the wind as I drove along,
> > wouldn't it? Oh, I see, you mean I should roll it up while
> > travelling? Hmm. But there's only a few days in the year
> > when you need a shady spot in Cumbria. Most of the time
> > it's the waterproof sort of awning I'd need.
> >
> > ally
>
> I'm sure a suitable awning that could serve as both a sun and
> rain shield is available. You see these roll-up awnings on the
> sides of RV's all the time.
>
> Maybe Kez knows where you can pick up a 'previously enjoyed'
> gypsie caravan. You could tow that around or park it beside the
> barn. You could dry your laundry in it by day and sleep in it at
> night.
>
> You could let Edith use it when she visits. You often see old
> goats grazing near a gypsie caravan.
>
> Johnny-more-and-more-ideas


Old bugger. I used to live in a decent tent. Every time I tried pitching it
I ended up with a second floor, blu88y thing.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Bloody hell. You're not safe anywhere!
> >
> > So what happens if you don't happen to have a driver's
> > licence and commit an offence in charge of a bike or a
> > boat?
> >
> > ally
>
> You just get the ticket and fine.
>
> Johnny-never-happened-to-me-of-course


You've just been lucky, marra.

Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Ask 'in tuh tekk yer for a walk down lover's lane but don't
> > let 'im kiss yuh. I bet he won't.
> >
> > Edith Knowsall.
>
> You have a dirty mind.
>
> Johnny-old-faithful


No I haven't. That's where you've got it all wrong. I have a very healthy
mind. Why, even at this very moment I am eating raw cabbage with a box of
sardines in tomato sauce mixed in.

Edith-not feeling too well.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Oh I wish they'd had geology as a school subject when I was
> > at school! I'd have loved that. I did Higher Geography, but
> > mainly because I was fascinated by the scientific side of
> > it, and because I've always loved maps. I didn't get as
> > high marks as I might have because I wasnt' so interested
> > in what they called Political Geography - stuff about which
> > countries produced which products and so on. Bo...ring...
> > It's all changed now anyway - it's no use knowing which
> > parts of Britain produce the best coal, or where the best
> > shipyards or steelworks are...
> >
> > ally
>
> It was Bill Bryson's recent book that changed my mind on
> geology. Back in school, geology seemed as bad as biology and so
> I took biology 'cause it was predominantly girls. I thought both
> sujects were boring and good marks went to people who had good
> memories, not necessarily smart people. Bryson opened my eyes to
> how much of what we know about the earth and the universe is due
> to intrepid geologists.
>
> Johnny-rock-steady


Our class had two frogs in a glass aquarium.

Edith-fishing tadpoles.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:31:59 +0100, a l l y wrote:


> I really don't want to cross the Himalayas. I was thinking more of 
> sitting in a train, not carting mountaineering gear around...


Are buses OK?  Sleeper buses are different and combine travel with 
night.


> They both sound pretty exciting to me. The farthest east I've 
> travelled is Ancona in Italy.


I've gone all the way round (the bend). This is very much a US site so 
take into account the normal US paranoia but the basic facts about a 
place are correct, there might be small variations in visa/entry/exit 
requirements.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1765.html
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_1766.html


> Land's End? How are you going to get across the English Channel?


There is that big long hole in the ground now...


> You need a dog team to get across the frozen Bering Straits, I 
> think, to Alaska. Lovely idea.


The big sang is that you have to cross in early spring before the ice 
has broken up. So the weather can be 'orrible, the Straits themselves 
are only 53 miles wide but there isn't an swful lot either side on 
land so the whole leg is quite big in winter above the artic circle...

-- 
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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:45:00 +0200, The Traveller wrote:


> I don't know what the silk road is, Dave. Why is it called the silk 
> road.? Does it have to do with moving Indu silk to Europe?


An ancient trade route from China to/from the Mediteranian. It's not 
just a road but a collection of caravan (as in camel etc) routes. 

You have google look it up...   B-)

-- 
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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

> In our days we didn't even have a bath. We used to wait
> until it rained then go out in't back yard with a block of
> Carbolic. 
> 
> Edith Longnose.


Luxury!

Johnny-Python

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> Old bugger. I used to live in a decent tent. Every time I
> tried pitching it I ended up with a second floor, blu88y
> thing. 
> 
> Edith.


We have a nylon tent with two rooms. So the kids don't have to 
hear my wife snoring.

Johnny-hates-raccoons

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> You've just been lucky, marra.
> 
> Edith.


You know what they say - you have to be good to be lucky!

Johnny-good

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> No I haven't. That's where you've got it all wrong. I have
> a very healthy mind. Why, even at this very moment I am
> eating raw cabbage with a box of sardines in tomato sauce
> mixed in. 
> 
> Edith-not feeling too well.


You've put me right off my lunch.

Johnny-fibbing

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> Our class had two frogs in a glass aquarium.
> 
> Edith-fishing tadpoles.


So there were two frogs and an old goat in your class.

Johnny-recycling-old-goat-remark

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> Me, the latter. I can't believe I got away with it. I
> should be dead or in a wheelchair.
> 
> Edith-lost-her-nerve-thankgawd.


It's a miracle that anyone survives growing up.

Johnny-survivor

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<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Old bugger. I used to live in a decent tent. Every time I
> > tried pitching it I ended up with a second floor, blu88y
> > thing.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> We have a nylon tent with two rooms. So the kids don't have to
> hear my wife snoring.
>
> Johnny-hates-raccoons


Orly says I snore but I don't believe him. I've never heard anything. Last
night I made quite a commotion, thouhg. It was great. I was strangling one
of his x girlfriends - - then he awakened me and spoiled it all. I was quite
disturbed-all day long. Not myself at all. I'd been wanting to do that for
years.

Edith disappointed.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > In our days we didn't even have a bath. We used to wait
> > until it rained then go out in't back yard with a block of
> > Carbolic.
> >
> > Edith Longnose.
>
> Luxury!
>
> Johnny-Python


Luxury? We were so poor we used to chase the neighbours pig around the pig
sty, then wipe our bread on it's back.

Edith (coss me Dad told me so.)

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > Our class had two frogs in a glass aquarium.
> >
> > Edith-fishing tadpoles.
>
> So there were two frogs and an old goat in your class.
>
> Johnny-recycling-old-goat-remark


Ok Korki. Oop wid yer mittons.

Edith on't war path.

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:45:00 +0200, The Traveller wrote:
>
> > I don't know what the silk road is, Dave. Why is it called the silk
> > road.? Does it have to do with moving Indu silk to Europe?
>
> An ancient trade route from China to/from the Mediteranian. It's not
> just a road but a collection of caravan (as in camel etc) routes.
>
> You have google look it up...   B-)
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Grosse. It only gets worse. Ally, incase you plan a boink on a sand
dune-leave me OUT.

Thank you.
Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > No I haven't. That's where you've got it all wrong. I have
> > a very healthy mind. Why, even at this very moment I am
> > eating raw cabbage with a box of sardines in tomato sauce
> > mixed in.
> >
> > Edith-not feeling too well.
>
> You've put me right off my lunch.
>
> Johnny-fibbing


ROOOOOOOOOOOOFL. That cabbage was effective in more ways than one then.

ROOOOOOOOFLINGLY. Edith.

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > You've just been lucky, marra.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> You know what they say - you have to be good to be lucky!
>
> Johnny-good


I put a tenner on the horses this last week. i'll just check if.........t t
t telephone!!!!!!!

oo! Edith.

> Orly says I snore but I don't believe him. I've never heard
> anything. Last night I made quite a commotion, thouhg. It
> was great. I was strangling one of his x girlfriends - -
> then he awakened me and spoiled it all. I was quite 
> disturbed-all day long. Not myself at all. I'd been wanting
> to do that for years.
> 
> Edith disappointed.


Sounds like a good story to put to music. A country and western 
song. You should round up (get it! Like rounding up cattle!) a 
few local girls and form 'The Fjord Chicks'

Johnny-cracks-himself-up

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> ROOOOOOOOOOOOFL. That cabbage was effective in more ways
> than one then. 
> 
> ROOOOOOOOFLINGLY. Edith.


Do you know what I had for lunch?

Breakfast!

Johnny-ROOOOOOOOFLINGLY-too

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Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:

>>Bloody hell. You're not safe anywhere!
>>
>>So what happens if you don't happen to have a driver's
>>licence and commit an offence in charge of a bike or a
>>boat? 
>>
>>ally 


If you are found drunk in charge of a boat in New York waterways, you 
will be subject to the same criminal charges as if you were in charge of 
a car. I believe that a DWI (Driving while intoxicated) charge acquired 
on water will also extend to your dry land licence.

Jp

Dave Liquorice wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:49:30 +0100, a l l y wrote:
> 
> 
>>I have an ambition to go to Darjeeling in India to see the house my 
>>granddad built and the road named after him, but to travel overland 
>>all the way.
> 
> 
> WTFI Darjeeling? ...google...
> 
> It's the Bangaldesh side so you have the Himalaya in the way if you go 
> to far north are there any passes through the Himalaya? Unfortunately 
> I don't have a decent paper Atlas to look at and web maps take ages to 
> find and are never quite good enough. <later> The CIA World Fact book 
> isn't bad, thats what I used to roughly plot the following.
> 
> 
>>Do you think this is possible at all in today's political climate? 
> 
> 
> I'd avoid Iraq and Afghanistan so a possible route might be Turkey > 
> Iran > Turkmenistan > Uzbekistan > Tajikistan or Krygyzstan > China. 
> Simpler get across the Caspian Sea or go via Russia to Kazakhstan then 
> straight to China. Once in China  across the India/Chinese border into 
> West Bengal and Darjeeling. 
> 
> Personally the first route sounds far more interesting and 
> challanging. I don't know how open those borders are though, you'd be 
> more or less be travelling the western end of the Silk Road into China 
> then dropping south towards Nepal/India/Bhutan.
> 
> The overland (no boats) trip I'd really like to do is Lands End (I 
> think, most Westerly bit of land connected Europe) to which ever bit 
> of the North American continent is the most Easterly land connected. 
> Needs lots of money and specialist transport to get across the Baring 
> Straight when it's frozen though, the rest is a walk by comparison...
> 

You've got me lost there. How would you do that without a boat?

I think your most easterly bit of land on North America is St John's, 
Newfoundland, if my in-flight info is to be believed.


Jp

> You've got me lost there. How would you do that without a
> boat? 
> 
> I think your most easterly bit of land on North America is
> St John's, Newfoundland, if my in-flight info is to be
> believed. 
> 
> 
> Jp


I guess it depends on if you think Newfoundland is part or 
separate from North America. I think it's considered part 
because it sits on the continental shelf...

If not, it would still be Newfoundland, but the mainland bit 
more commonly known as Labrador.

http://www.geographicguide.com/north-america-map.htm

Johnny-Canuck-bits
 


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>
> Grosse. It only gets worse. Ally, incase you plan a boink on a sand
> dune-leave me OUT.
>

Don't worry. I plan to avoid the hottest parts of the world if I can. I'm a 
cool-weather customer and I'm really glad my grandparents lived in the 
coolest part of India up in the Himalayas, not down on the sweltering 
plains.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> Pioneering Ally, Sees things thro' rose coloured glass windows. Thank
> goodness I'm not alone in Oz
>
> Edith.
>
> BTW I've been east to Newcastle.
>

So have I! I've walked across the Millennium Bridge and played my sax for 
morris dancing at the Sage. Very nice it was too, hinny.

ally

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
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>
> Are buses OK?  Sleeper buses are different and combine travel with
> night.


That might be OK.


>
>> They both sound pretty exciting to me. The farthest east I've
>> travelled is Ancona in Italy.
>
> I've gone all the way round (the bend). This is very much a US site so
> take into account the normal US paranoia but the basic facts about a
> place are correct, there might be small variations in visa/entry/exit
> requirements.
>
> http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1765.html
> http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_1766.html


Excellent. Useful sites. I've bookmarked them. Thanks.


>
>> Land's End? How are you going to get across the English Channel?
>
> There is that big long hole in the ground now...


Somehow that feels like cheating...



>
>> You need a dog team to get across the frozen Bering Straits, I
>> think, to Alaska. Lovely idea.
>
> The big sang is that you have to cross in early spring before the ice
> has broken up. So the weather can be 'orrible, the Straits themselves
> are only 53 miles wide but there isn't an swful lot either side on
> land so the whole leg is quite big in winter above the artic circle...
>

I watched a TV programme with Ray Mears crossing the Bering Straits with a 
dog team. It was fascinating, but his footsteps aren't ones I really want to 
follow.

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>
> Maybe Kez knows where you can pick up a 'previously enjoyed'
> gypsie caravan. You could tow that around or park it beside the
> barn. You could dry your laundry in it by day and sleep in it at
> night.
>

Sounds great, but don't Romanies set fire to caravans once their owners have 
died? So you never see an old one turning up on the second hand market (or 
eBay, I suppose...)

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> Old bugger. I used to live in a decent tent. Every time I tried pitching 
> it
> I ended up with a second floor, blu88y thing.
>


A 2-storey tent sounds rather superb and posh, actually.

My son, when about 10 years old, with the help of a friend, built a 2-storey 
gang hut in our back green. It was wonderful - a real home-from-home with 
curtained windows and carpets on the floor and everything. Then we went to 
Ireland for the weekend, and when we came back he found some big boys had 
smashed it to bits.

Grrr...

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> I used to smell like a bunch of violets after a bath. How did you smell?
>

Soapy and clean, I guess.

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> No. Not really.
>>
>> I was thinking of those forfeits & dares games we used to
>> play. You'd dare someone to do something, and if they
>> failed to do it they'd have to pay a forfeit. Some of the
>> dares involved saying something cheeky to strangers, or
>> dancing in the middle of the road, or other slightly
>> embarrassing things, but some people suggested dares that
>> were downright dangerous or illegal.
>>
>> ally
>
> Is this where 'truth or dare' - the fad game made famous by
> Madonna - came from?
>

Haven't heard about that, but it might be similar. Did her game involve 
forfeits? They were the most important thing iirc.

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> I think she may be talking about loofahs, though 'fluffy'
>> they're not!
>>
>> Johnny - do you really keep a feather boa in your bathroom?
>> Questions are being asked....
>>
>> ally
>
> We have a loofah in our shower. I've never even seen a feather
> boa in real life. Maybe some people have them in their
> bathrooms. People can be wierd.
>

I have seen many feather boas, in many colours. I come from Edinburgh, the 
Gay Capital Of The North.

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> Our class had two frogs in a glass aquarium.
>

Our biology class had a little fridge where they kept specimens for 
dissection. When the teacher opend the fridge to discover a dogfish with a 
cigarette in its mouth all hell broke loose...

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > You've just been lucky, marra.
> >
> > Edith.
>
> You know what they say - you have to be good to be lucky!
>
> Johnny-good


Well, I'll believe that in your case, Johnny.

Edith

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
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> > ROOOOOOOOOOOOFL. That cabbage was effective in more ways
> > than one then.
> >
> > ROOOOOOOOFLINGLY. Edith.
>
> Do you know what I had for lunch?
>
> Breakfast!
>
> Johnny-ROOOOOOOOFLINGLY-too


I had lunch at tea time. Twice.

Roooooooflingly, Edith

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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> Johnny@ominous.portent wrote:
> >>Bloody hell. You're not safe anywhere!
> >>
> >>So what happens if you don't happen to have a driver's
> >>licence and commit an offence in charge of a bike or a
> >>boat?
> >>
> >>ally
>
> If you are found drunk in charge of a boat in New York waterways, you
> will be subject to the same criminal charges as if you were in charge of
> a car. I believe that a DWI (Driving while intoxicated) charge acquired
> on water will also extend to your dry land licence.
>
> Jp


Police patrol has doubled this year. The rules are the same. More lethal
accidents at sea are cause by intoxicated people.

Edith

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:i0SBe.59939$Fe7.196769@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > Grosse. It only gets worse. Ally, incase you plan a boink on a sand
> > dune-leave me OUT.
> >
> Don't worry. I plan to avoid the hottest parts of the world if I can. I'm
a
> cool-weather customer and I'm really glad my grandparents lived in the
> coolest part of India up in the Himalayas, not down on the sweltering
> plains.
>
> ally


Do you really think your Grandad's house is still standing? Why don't you
try finding someone on the net who lives nearby to take photos for you.
Wouldn't that be fantastic.

Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:ZuPBe.59896$Fe7.196386@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > Pioneering Ally, Sees things thro' rose coloured glass windows. Thank
> > goodness I'm not alone in Oz
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> > BTW I've been east to Newcastle.
> >
> So have I! I've walked across the Millennium Bridge and played my sax for
> morris dancing at the Sage. Very nice it was too, hinny.
>
> ally


Now what have I done in Newcastle these last years. Oh yes. Got stuck in a
traffic jam by the round about on the way in, came 20mts too late to the
boat-twice.

:0( Edith.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42d7badc$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> >> I think she may be talking about loofahs, though 'fluffy'
> >> they're not!
> >>
> >> Johnny - do you really keep a feather boa in your bathroom?
> >> Questions are being asked....
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > We have a loofah in our shower. I've never even seen a feather
> > boa in real life. Maybe some people have them in their
> > bathrooms. People can be wierd.
> >
> I have seen many feather boas, in many colours. I come from Edinburgh, the
> Gay Capital Of The North.
>
> ally
>

I thought loofahs were Germans.

Edith.

Yep I bet you got the biggest pair in this group.
..
..
Tee hee hee.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

(snip)


> There is that big long hole in the ground now...
> 
> 
>>You need a dog team to get across the frozen Bering Straits, I 
>>think, to Alaska. Lovely idea.
> 
> 
> The big sang is that you have to cross in early spring before the ice 
> has broken up. So the weather can be 'orrible, the Straits themselves 
> are only 53 miles wide but there isn't an swful lot either side on 
> land so the whole leg is quite big in winter above the artic circle...
> 

So is the idea to travel in an *easterly* direction? I was puzzling how 
you reckoned on going *west*. Now I understand the reason for the Bering 
Straights.

Jp

"The Traveller"  wrote in message news:8m3Ce.60114>

> Now what have I done in Newcastle these last years. Oh yes. Got stuck in a
> traffic jam by the round about on the way in, came 20mts too late to the
> boat-twice.
>

Typical.

ally

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:35:08 -0400, Jpinny wrote:


> So is the idea to travel in an *easterly* direction? 


How else do you get from this side of the pond to the other overland?

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:33:13 +0200, "The Traveller" 
wrote:


>
><Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
>news:42d7fb9e$1_2@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
>> > ROOOOOOOOOOOOFL. That cabbage was effective in more ways
>> > than one then.
>> >
>> > ROOOOOOOOFLINGLY. Edith.
>>
>> Do you know what I had for lunch?
>>
>> Breakfast!
>>
>> Johnny-ROOOOOOOOFLINGLY-too
>
>I had lunch at tea time. Twice.
>
>Roooooooflingly, Edith


I'd take you, and your nanna, up the arse.

How does that sound?

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:35:08 -0400, Jpinny wrote:
>
> > So is the idea to travel in an *easterly* direction?
>
> How else do you get from this side of the pond to the other overland?
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


If you can walk on water?
Edith.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:17:53 -0400, Jpinny wrote:


>> The overland (no boats) trip I'd really like to do is Lands End (I 
>> think, most Westerly bit of land connected Europe) to which ever 
>> bit of the North American continent is the most Easterly land 
>> connected. 
>
> You've got me lost there. How would you do that without a boat?


Any land transport from shank's pony to hi-speed train. (hint...)
 

> I think your most easterly bit of land on North America is St 
> John's, Newfoundland.


It's somewhere around there, just looked at a map no I ought to go as 
far east in the Americas as I can, somewhere on the east coast of 
Brazil! Even better all through Panama, Columbia, El Salvador, 
Hinduras, Guateamala and so on. And if I'm doing that start as far 
west as well so I think that is around Dakar, Senegal, West Africa...

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:35:08 -0400, Jpinny wrote:
>
>> So is the idea to travel in an *easterly* direction?
>
> How else do you get from this side of the pond to the other overland?
>

Er.... wait for the next ice age?

Actually it might be possible to go across the north pole during winter... 
You'd need a pair of warm gloves, though....

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijr7y00.pminews@news.howhill.com...
> > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:35:08 -0400, Jpinny wrote:
> >
> >> So is the idea to travel in an *easterly* direction?
> >
> > How else do you get from this side of the pond to the other overland?
> >
> Er.... wait for the next ice age?
>
> Actually it might be possible to go across the north pole during winter...
> You'd need a pair of warm gloves, though....
>
> ally


Somebody would have to knit him a willy warmer too. Not me. I don't have
that much wool.

Trailing across the north Pole, dogs on the scent. Ah! Breaking records.
Matti Tildasdatti.

Dave Liquorice wrote:


> 
> It's somewhere around there, just looked at a map no I ought to go as 
> far east in the Americas as I can, somewhere on the east coast of 
> Brazil! Even better all through Panama, Columbia, El Salvador, 
> Hinduras, Guateamala and so on. And if I'm doing that start as far 
> west as well so I think that is around Dakar, Senegal, West Africa...
> 


I wondered how you would tackle the Panama Canal, but I guess you would 
cross on foot at one of the locks.

Jp

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:00:37 +0100, a l l y wrote:


> Actually it might be possible to go across the north pole during 
> winter...  You'd need a pair of warm gloves, though....


Certainly wait for the sea ice to form in the Barents Sea or of 
northern Norway/Russia and start walking... Not much public transport 
up there.

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:52:51 -0400, Jpinny wrote:


> I wondered how you would tackle the Panama Canal, but I guess you 
> would cross on foot at one of the locks.


I can't believe there are no bridges at all. They would probably have 
to be swing or lift, though the M6 goes over the Manchester Ship Canal 
on a fixed bridge, mind the MSC to the Panama Canal is probably like 
the Grand Union to the MSC.

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

Dave Liquorice wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:52:51 -0400, Jpinny wrote:
> 
> 
>>I wondered how you would tackle the Panama Canal, but I guess you 
>>would cross on foot at one of the locks.
> 
> 
> I can't believe there are no bridges at all. They would probably have 
> to be swing or lift, though the M6 goes over the Manchester Ship Canal 
> on a fixed bridge, mind the MSC to the Panama Canal is probably like 
> the Grand Union to the MSC.
> 


There is a bridge. I did a bit of Googling. The Puente de las Americas 
is a suspension bridge,spanning the canal and was built in 1962, and 
until 2004 it was the only one. The new bridge, a two towered 
cable-stayed bridge, which carries six lanes of traffic, called the 
Puente Centenario, was opened on the 90th Anniversary of the first 
passage of a ship through the canal in 1914.

http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/puente/

You are wasting your time posting here because < uk.local.*> news
groups, all of them, have been from the very beginning and will be to
the very end safe play areas for all sorts of raging nutters, social
malcontents, control freaks and malevolent beings. 
You may feel that they should go elsewhere but where? The asylums 
are all closed. Every so often they stop taking their medication and
go off their fucking heads. What would you have of them? Standing in
their back yards at midnight howling to the full moon and frightening
the shit out of the neighbours into the bargain? Have them running
around shafting masons, suspected vampires, werewolves, communists,
socialists, conservatives and women with vaginal warts by the dozen?
OR harmlessly making utter cunts of themselves in a uk.local group?
Lets face it what is one other cunt amongst the many?? I know what I
prefer!! The uk.local hierarchy of newsgroups is a valuable safety
valve which helps to keep society a wee bit more safe. 
You may disagree. I would be interested to hear your opinion and no
doubt would the rest of the group. Thanks in advance.

You are wasting your time posting here because < uk.local.*> news
groups, all of them, have been from the very beginning and will be to
the very end safe play areas for all sorts of raging nutters, social
malcontents, control freaks and malevolent beings. 
You may feel that they should go elsewhere but where? The asylums 
are all closed. Every so often they stop taking their medication and
go off their fucking heads. What would you have of them? Standing in
their back yards at midnight howling to the full moon and frightening
the shit out of the neighbours into the bargain? Have them running
around shafting masons, suspected vampires, werewolves, communists,
socialists, conservatives and women with vaginal warts by the dozen?
OR harmlessly making utter cunts of themselves in a uk.local group?
Lets face it what is one other cunt amongst the many?? I know what I
prefer!! The uk.local hierarchy of newsgroups is a valuable safety
valve which helps to keep society a wee bit more safe. 
You may disagree. I would be interested to hear your opinion and no
doubt would the rest of the group. Thanks in advance.

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:00:37 +0100, a l l y wrote:
>
> > Actually it might be possible to go across the north pole during
> > winter...  You'd need a pair of warm gloves, though....
>
> Certainly wait for the sea ice to form in the Barents Sea or of
> northern Norway/Russia and start walking... Not much public transport
> up there.
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


You could join all the other bodies at the bottom of The Barents Havet and
they could fish you out come Spring. Or you could play safe and borrow
Rudolf, then you wouldn't have to go hungry. With your big green knickers,
Ally, you might just make it.

Pick up thine ice pick and walk.
Edith.

a l l y wrote:


>>
> I have an ambition to go to Darjeeling in India to see the house my
> granddad built and the road named after him.......
> ally-big-ideas


Granddad Road..... Cute!!

Kez. . .

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:18:03 -0400, Jpinny wrote:


> There is a bridge. I did a bit of Googling. The Puente de las 
> Americas is a suspension bridge,spanning the canal and was built in 
> 1962, and until 2004 it was the only one.


Considering that the canal opened in the early 1900's that really does 
suprise me. People and traffic must have crossed using the lock gate 
tops or ferries before 1962, I really can't believe that Panama was 
really divided for that many years.

-- 
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Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

> Yes, I'm curious as to how they apply this law. It would
> mean that you needed a licence to ride a bike.
> 
> Mr P and I used to cycle home from the pub (known as "Het
> Kont Van Het Paard" or "The Horse's Arse",) when we lived
> in Holland. If you can remain upright and stick to the
> cycle lanes, you're OK. 
> 
> Jp


I'm sure they only apply the rules when there's serious trouble, 
like your drunken bicycling causes a car accident or something. 
You don't need to have a license to ride a bike though.

Johnny-police-state

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> Sounds great, but don't Romanies set fire to caravans once
> their owners have died? So you never see an old one turning
> up on the second hand market (or eBay, I suppose...)
> 
> ally 


I have no idea what they do. There's not a lot of them over 
here.

Johnny-ignorant

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"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>
> You could join all the other bodies at the bottom of The Barents Havet and
> they could fish you out come Spring. Or you could play safe and borrow
> Rudolf, then you wouldn't have to go hungry. With your big green knickers,
> Ally, you might just make it.
>

Maybe I could tie the legs into knots, spray the whole thing with 
waterproofing, and fill it with hot air, then sail, airborne, over the pole.

ally-flights-of-fancy

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
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>a l l y wrote:
>
>>>
>> I have an ambition to go to Darjeeling in India to see the house my
>> granddad built and the road named after him.......
>> ally-big-ideas
>
> Granddad Road..... Cute!!
>

Yeah, well, you're only allowed to call it that if it's *your* granddad. But 
if you google for Robertson Road, Darjeeling, you will find it: it seems to 
be full of hotels and things, so I could spend the night on my granddad's 
road if I wanted.

ally

<Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message 
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>> Sounds great, but don't Romanies set fire to caravans once
>> their owners have died? So you never see an old one turning
>> up on the second hand market (or eBay, I suppose...)
>>
>> ally
>
> I have no idea what they do. There's not a lot of them over
> here.
>

Kezzi should know. Kez...???

ally

"The Traveller"  wrote in message 
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>>
> I thought loofahs were Germans.
>

I suppose it could be a euphemism I hadn't previously encountered... but 
it's unlikely...

ally

> 
> I thought loofahs were Germans.
> 
> Edith.
> 
> 

It's taken me nearly a week to work that one out. This place is home to 
  quite a lot of descendents of Germans who are neither Catholic nor 
Jewish. I pass a church every morning on the way to the station and this 
morning I twigged.

You're thinking of Looferans.


Jp

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> <Johnny@ominous.portent> wrote in message
> news:42dbbb38$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> >> Sounds great, but don't Romanies set fire to caravans once
> >> their owners have died? So you never see an old one turning
> >> up on the second hand market (or eBay, I suppose...)
> >>
> >> ally
> >
> > I have no idea what they do. There's not a lot of them over
> > here.
> >
> Kezzi should know. Kez...???
>
> ally


They throw their dutty old matrasses out on the ground and their broken old
seats from the last fight and stuff and let it just lay there on the camp
site when they leave, don't they Kezz?

Running like 'ell from the Gypsie King.

"a l l y"  wrote in message
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>
> "The Traveller"  wrote in message
> news:l4HCe.60766$Fe7.199496@news000.worldonline.dk...
> >
> > You could join all the other bodies at the bottom of The Barents Havet
and
> > they could fish you out come Spring. Or you could play safe and borrow
> > Rudolf, then you wouldn't have to go hungry. With your big green
knickers,
> > Ally, you might just make it.
> >
> Maybe I could tie the legs into knots, spray the whole thing with
> waterproofing, and fill it with hot air, then sail, airborne, over the
pole.
>
> ally-flights-of-fancy


Gee wiz. That's a good idea. That's the best idea you have ever had. I'll
send you a can o silver spray lakk.

Edith Lakkereseverything.

"Jpinny"  wrote in message
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>
> >
> > I thought loofahs were Germans.
> >
> > Edith.
> >
> >
> It's taken me nearly a week to work that one out. This place is home to
>   quite a lot of descendents of Germans who are neither Catholic nor
> Jewish. I pass a church every morning on the way to the station and this
> morning I twigged.
>
> You're thinking of Looferans.
>
>
> Jp


Twigged? How do you do that, Jp. I used to could do the 'splits.'

Edith.

> Yeah, well, you're only allowed to call it that if it's
> *your* granddad. But if you google for Robertson Road,
> Darjeeling, you will find it: it seems to be full of hotels
> and things, so I could spend the night on my granddad's 
> road if I wanted. 
> 
> ally 


One of my wife's grandparents was a Robertson from Scotland.

Johnny-small-world

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> Twigged? How do you do that, Jp. I used to could do the
> 'splits.' 
> 
> Edith.


I heard on the radio last night that chewing on a twig was a 
common way of cleaning one's teeth on India.

Johnny-facts-and-figures

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Am I being too intrusive?
In an effort to enlist your understanding and tolerance I  wonder if I
could explain the function of < uk.local.*> news groups. All of them,
have been from the very beginning and will be to the very end safe
play areas for all sorts of rageing nutters, social malcontents,
controll freaks and malevolent beings. You may feel that they should
go elsewhere but where? The asylums are all closed. What would you
have of them? Standing in their back yards at midnight howling to the
full moon and frighting the shit out of the neighbours into the
bargain? Have them running around shafting masons, suspected
werewolves, communists, socialists, conservatives and women with
vaginal warts by the  dozen? OR harmlessly making utter cunts of
themselves in a uk.local group? Lets face it what is one other cunt
amongst the many in this group?? I know what I prefer!! 
The uk.local hierarchy of newsgroups is a valuable safety valve which
helps to keep society a wee bit more safe. 
You may disagree. I would be interested to hear your opinion and no
doubt would the rest of the group. Thanks in advance.