Screwfix and Toolstation only seem to be selling harmonised now. Any advice
folks on best place to get pre-harmonised?

From somebody with pre-menstrual tension ???.


"mickael"  wrote in message
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> Screwfix and Toolstation only seem to be selling harmonised now. Any
advice
> folks on best place to get pre-harmonised?
>
>

Use the new colours and stick an appropiate label on the consumer unit.



"mickael"  wrote in message
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> Screwfix and Toolstation only seem to be selling harmonised now. Any
advice
> folks on best place to get pre-harmonised?
>
>

Believe some manufacturers looking to retain in range, as some NHS
Building Suveyors advise new colours not permitted within their
installations.

See
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CA2dot5G.html

"Gel"  wrote in message
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> Believe some manufacturers looking to retain in range, as some NHS
> Building Suveyors advise new colours not permitted within their
> installations.
>
> See
> http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CA2dot5G.html
>


They're expensive !!!!!!

"mickael"  wrote in message 
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> Screwfix and Toolstation only seem to be selling harmonised now. Any 
> advice
> folks on best place to get pre-harmonised?
>
>

Why do you need pre-harmonised?

Adam

ARWadsworth wrote:

> "mickael"  wrote in message
> news:rDvze.4431$184.4359@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>> Screwfix and Toolstation only seem to be selling harmonised now. Any
>> advice
>> folks on best place to get pre-harmonised?
>>
>>
> Why do you need pre-harmonised?
>

To pretend the work was done before the regs changed...?
Just a wild guess.

In article <42ced618$0$24152$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>,
gilbert  writes

>ARWadsworth wrote:
>> "mickael"  wrote in message
>> news:rDvze.4431$184.4359@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>> Screwfix and Toolstation only seem to be selling harmonised now. Any
>>> advice
>>> folks on best place to get pre-harmonised?
>>>
>>>
>> Why do you need pre-harmonised?
>>
>To pretend the work was done before the regs changed...?
>Just a wild guess. 


If so, not a big problem as new colours were around a few months before
the new regs came in.
-- 
fred

"Gel"  wrote in message 
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> Believe some manufacturers looking to retain in range, as some NHS
> Building Suveyors advise new colours not permitted within their
> installations.
>
> See
> http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CA2dot5G.html
>



The link says nothing about the NHS.  They will of course have a problem 
when only the new colours are available from April 2006.

Did you mean NHBC?

Adam

PS Part P is not relevant to a hospital (NHS) as it is not a domestic 
installation

In article <YTCze.65965$G8.34638@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
	"ARWadsworth"  writes:

> 
> The link says nothing about the NHS.  They will of course have a problem 
> when only the new colours are available from April 2006.
> 
> Did you mean NHBC?


I suspect he did mean NHS. A number of large companies and
institutions like hospitals have banned the use of the new
colours in their premises.  Manufacturers will continue
manufacturing whatever colours people are prepared to buy.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel

"Gel"  wrote in message
news:1120844790.871080.110060@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> Believe some manufacturers looking to retain in range, as some NHS
> Building Suveyors advise new colours not permitted within their
> installations.
>
> See
> http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CA2dot5G.html
>

Thanks Gel, I might give them a try.

> >> Why do you need pre-harmonised?
> >>
> >To pretend the work was done before the regs changed...?
> >Just a wild guess.


That's probably not a bad wild guess, Gilbert.


> If so, not a big problem as new colours were around a few months before
> the new regs came in.


That's an interesting point, Fred. The wisdom on this NG has always been to
stock up on old stuff. I can't now remember the timescales so do others
agree with Fred?

NHS Estates, not NHBC who have no influence in matter. However its size
of NHS's estate and requirement for old colours that should keep
available for a bit longer yet, until some EU android gets his nose
involved!!

yes; the Harmonisation and PArt P Regs should have started at same time
but PArt P was postponed

"Gel"  wrote in message 
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> yes; the Harmonisation and PArt P Regs should have started at same time
> but PArt P was postponed
>


Nonetheless using the old colours is likely to cause less suspicion in the 
case of a casual inspection.  Most of the cable I have seen is date 
stamped - regardless of colours used.

James

"mickael"  wrote in message 
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> Screwfix and Toolstation only seem to be selling harmonised now. Any 
> advice
> folks on best place to get pre-harmonised?
>

Homebase still have loads of old stock
-- 
Vass

"mickael"  wrote in message 
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> Screwfix and Toolstation only seem to be selling harmonised now. Any 
> advice
> folks on best place to get pre-harmonised?


OK, who is going to put me out of my misery?   This is the first I have 
heard of new colours (I don't get out much) and a Google search has shown me 
the colours but nothing to tell me which colour is which (i.e. L, N and E). 
Incidentally I noticed in the process of searching that RS Components ( 
www.rsww.com ) appear to have red/black for sale as well as the new colours.
-- 
Keith Willcocks
(If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living!)

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:36:27 +0000 (UTC), "Keith Willcocks"
 wrote:


>
>"mickael"  wrote in message 
>news:rDvze.4431$184.4359@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>> Screwfix and Toolstation only seem to be selling harmonised now. Any 
>> advice
>> folks on best place to get pre-harmonised?
>
>OK, who is going to put me out of my misery?   This is the first I have 
>heard of new colours (I don't get out much) and a Google search has shown me 
>the colours but nothing to tell me which colour is which (i.e. L, N and E). 
>Incidentally I noticed in the process of searching that RS Components ( 
>www.rsww.com ) appear to have red/black for sale as well as the new colours.


http://www.iee.org/Publish/WireRegs/cablecolfaq.cfm#Q1

tells it like it is / was / will be ...

--
Jim
"a single species has come to dominate ...
reproducing at bacterial levels, almost as an
infectious plague envelops its host" 
http://tinyurl.com/c88xs

"Andrew Gabriel" <andrew@a17> wrote in message 
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> In article <YTCze.65965$G8.34638@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> "ARWadsworth"  writes:
>>
>> The link says nothing about the NHS.  They will of course have a problem
>> when only the new colours are available from April 2006.
>>
>> Did you mean NHBC?
>
> I suspect he did mean NHS. A number of large companies and
> institutions like hospitals have banned the use of the new
> colours in their premises.  Manufacturers will continue
> manufacturing whatever colours people are prepared to buy.


Except for us mortals.

What happens after April 2006. Assume an NICEIC firm works on a hospital do 
they use the old colours and make a note of it on the certificate that they 
issue?

Adam

see
http://www.niceic.org.uk/downloads/WiringSupp.pdf