Dear all,

I have just read and signed the online petition:

   "Save Ormsgill Reservoir"

   http://www.PetitionOnline.com/spp0001/

I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might 
agree, too.  If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider 
signing yourself.

Best wishes,

Kezzi. . .

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message 
news:42ce65ee_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...

> Dear all,
>
> I have just read and signed the online petition:
>
>   "Save Ormsgill Reservoir"
>
>   http://www.PetitionOnline.com/spp0001/
>
> I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might 
> agree, too.  If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider 
> signing yourself.
>


OK, done it.

That's a shameful situation. How did it happen? I thought most reservoirs 
were filled naturally by rivers, so whatever river flows into this one 
should have filled it up by now?

ally

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:22:25 +0100, a l l y wrote:


> That's a shameful situation. How did it happen? I thought most 
> reservoirs were filled naturally by rivers, so whatever river flows 
> into this one should have filled it up by now?


http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=320000&Y=472000
&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&ad
dr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtyp
e=&zm=0&scale=25000&down.x=288&down.y=5

http://makeashorterlink.com/?N29C6266B

Looks like the "reservoir" in question is just below the A590 road 
number. At least that has a couple of islands... There doesn't appear 
to be any appreciable rivers or streams flowing into it. This winter 
and spring has been rather dryer than normal.

"The two islands on the Reservoir - which are a sanctuary for nesting 
birds - are now accessible to vandals, and nests and eggs have been 
destroyed and damaged."

This is not a problem of the council or contractor but of the 
community. It is memembers of the community that are doing this 
damage.

"All of these amenities have been damaged by the drainage construction 
work and should be restored."

The contractor/council does have an obligation to make good any damage 
caused by the works. The campagine group might also take time to check 
that the drainage work has been done to the plans and any valves or 
sluices are set correctly to allow the water levels to rise...

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijdb6c2.pminews@news.howhill.com...

> On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:22:25 +0100, a l l y wrote:
>
> > That's a shameful situation. How did it happen? I thought most
> > reservoirs were filled naturally by rivers, so whatever river flows
> > into this one should have filled it up by now?
>
> http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=320000&Y=472000
> &width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&ad
> dr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtyp
> e=&zm=0&scale=25000&down.x=288&down.y=5
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N29C6266B
>
> Looks like the "reservoir" in question is just below the A590 road
> number. At least that has a couple of islands... There doesn't appear
> to be any appreciable rivers or streams flowing into it. This winter
> and spring has been rather dryer than normal.
>
> "The two islands on the Reservoir - which are a sanctuary for nesting
> birds - are now accessible to vandals, and nests and eggs have been
> destroyed and damaged."
>
> This is not a problem of the council or contractor but of the
> community. It is memembers of the community that are doing this
> damage.
>
> "All of these amenities have been damaged by the drainage construction
> work and should be restored."
>
> The contractor/council does have an obligation to make good any damage
> caused by the works. The campagine group might also take time to check
> that the drainage work has been done to the plans and any valves or
> sluices are set correctly to allow the water levels to rise...
>
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


At the very least. Can't have still water turning sour.

Edith.

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijdb6c2.pminews@news.howhill.com...

>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N29C6266B
>
> Looks like the "reservoir" in question is just below the A590 road
> number. At least that has a couple of islands... There doesn't appear
> to be any appreciable rivers or streams flowing into it. This winter
> and spring has been rather dryer than normal.
>

Hmm. It looks quite a small thing. I wonder how it's normally filled, then? 
Just rainwater? They can hardly expect the council to come along and fill it 
up with hosepipes...

So, Dave, if we held a boink towards your end of the county, would you come?

ally

"a l l y"  wrote in message
news:3ja8g4Fp4i65U3@individual.net...

>
> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijdb6c2.pminews@news.howhill.com...
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?N29C6266B
> >
> > Looks like the "reservoir" in question is just below the A590 road
> > number. At least that has a couple of islands... There doesn't appear
> > to be any appreciable rivers or streams flowing into it. This winter
> > and spring has been rather dryer than normal.
> >
> Hmm. It looks quite a small thing. I wonder how it's normally filled,
then?
> Just rainwater? They can hardly expect the council to come along and fill
it
> up with hosepipes...
>
> So, Dave, if we held a boink towards your end of the county, would you
come?
>
> ally


I'm not coming. :0P

Edith.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:22:25 +0100, a l l y wrote:
>
>> That's a shameful situation. How did it happen? I thought most
>> reservoirs were filled naturally by rivers, so whatever river flows
>> into this one should have filled it up by now?
>
> http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=320000&Y=472000
> &width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&ad
> dr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtyp
> e=&zm=0&scale=25000&down.x=288&down.y=5
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N29C6266B
>
> Looks like the "reservoir" in question is just below the A590 road
> number. At least that has a couple of islands... There doesn't appear
> to be any appreciable rivers or streams flowing into it. This winter
> and spring has been rather dryer than normal.
>
> "The two islands on the Reservoir - which are a sanctuary for nesting
> birds - are now accessible to vandals, and nests and eggs have been
> destroyed and damaged."
>
> This is not a problem of the council or contractor but of the
> community. It is memembers of the community that are doing this
> damage.
>
> "All of these amenities have been damaged by the drainage construction
> work and should be restored."
>
> The contractor/council does have an obligation to make good any damage
> caused by the works. The campagine group might also take time to check
> that the drainage work has been done to the plans and any valves or
> sluices are set correctly to allow the water levels to rise...


Don't they have to prepare environmental impact statements before doing work
such has been done?

Al



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On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:18:39 -0500, Alfred Packer wrote:


> Don't they have to prepare environmental impact statements before 
> doing work such has been done?


I should think so, I get the impression that the petition is a knee 
jerk reaction that hasn't been properly researched so real facts have 
not been declared or discovered.

I can't decide if replacement (ie repair of existing structures) would 
require planning permission. If they took a trip to the local planning 
office they could find that out very easyly.

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

Dave Liquorice  wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:18:39 -0500, Alfred Packer wrote:
>
>> Don't they have to prepare environmental impact statements before
>> doing work such has been done?
>
> I should think so, I get the impression that the petition is a knee
> jerk reaction that hasn't been properly researched so real facts have
> not been declared or discovered.
>
> I can't decide if replacement (ie repair of existing structures) would
> require planning permission. If they took a trip to the local planning
> office they could find that out very easyly.
>
> --
> Cheers
> new5pam@howhill.com Dave.
> pam is missing e-mail


Jeez... you really must think I've got nothing better to do!! Your 
'impression' is totally wrong! It doesn't take a bunch of research to watch 
the numbers of dead fish climbing and see that the local bird population 
(once so famous for the road between the reservoir and the patch of secluded 
sunny greenery on the other side having proper red triangle "Geese Crossing" 
signs paid for by the community) disappearing as their food stocks and 
hatchings diminish.

Why so negative? This is an issue with the Local Council who need 
petitioning as 'this' community is too often overlooked. It was they who 
started a job that will simply be finished when the reservoir is refilled. 
They won't spend the money as it's naturally filled by rainwater.... Well it 
takes 18 months of average rainfall to top the levels.

Let's just sit back and watch another of Cumbria's areas of outstanding 
natural wealth just rot and die. Why should you give a f***??

a l l y  wrote:

> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ijdb6c2.pminews@news.howhill.com...
>>
>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N29C6266B
>>
>> Looks like the "reservoir" in question is just below the A590 road
>> number. At least that has a couple of islands... There doesn't appear
>> to be any appreciable rivers or streams flowing into it. This winter
>> and spring has been rather dryer than normal.
>>
> Hmm. It looks quite a small thing. I wonder how it's normally filled,
> then? Just rainwater? They can hardly expect the council to come
> along and fill it up with hosepipes...
> ally


It's naturaly filled with rainwater. The water was drained into 
holdng/overflow tanks and simply requires pumping back. Nothing has been 
done for almost 4 months. I shall post before and after photos later today.

Kez. . .

Dave Liquorice  wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:22:25 +0100, a l l y wrote:
>
>> That's a shameful situation. How did it happen? I thought most
>> reservoirs were filled naturally by rivers, so whatever river flows
>> into this one should have filled it up by now?
>
> "The two islands on the Reservoir - which are a sanctuary for nesting
> birds - are now accessible to vandals, and nests and eggs have been
> destroyed and damaged."
>
> This is not a problem of the council or contractor but of the
> community. It is memembers of the community that are doing this
> damage.


Yes, the damage is due to vandalism (access to whom was made by the 
contractors removing the safety fencing after they left the job 
nfinished)  - and not necessarily members of the community either, the 
majority of whom have a responsble attitude. If I/we knew who was 
responsible for the damage they would be brought to justice. It's catching 
the b*******.


> The contractor/council does have an obligation to make good any damage
> caused by the works. The campagine group might also take time to check
> that the drainage work has been done to the plans and any valves or
> sluices are set correctly to allow the water levels to rise...


Absolutely. And the campaign group have monitored and checked that the 
drainage work has been done to a satisfactory standard though the damage 
caused by the Council contractors has NOT been made good. (Absolutely 
typical of Barrow Borough Council.) All we ask is that the reservoir be 
refilled quickly. This weather isn't helping matters. Our local offline 
petition gained 1000 signatures in a couple of days. It would be nice just 
to have a bit more clout and less nitpicking.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:47:45 +0100, Kezzi wrote:


> Jeez... you really must think I've got nothing better to do!! Your 
> 'impression' is totally wrong! 


Fairy nuff, so why not present that information, or a link to it, in 
the online petition speel.


> Why so negative? 


Because you are asking for signatures without presenting a good enough 
case IMHO. The text should answer *all* the questions is raises, or 
provided easy access to those answers, preferably independant. It 
doesn't.


> Let's just sit back and watch another of Cumbria's areas of 
> outstanding natural wealth just rot and die. Why should you give a 
> f***?? 


As you say it will refill naturally in 18 months. It will recover, the 
birds and fish will return. Nature is very resiliant. However that 
does not excuse the council from their obligations of refilling it 
from the holding tanks.

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

From: "Dave Liquorice" 


> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:47:45 +0100, Kezzi wrote:
>
>> Jeez... you really must think I've got nothing better to do!! Your
>> 'impression' is totally wrong!
>
> Fairy nuff, so why not present that information, or a link to it, in
> the online petition speel.


It's not my petition. I didn't write it. I never said that I did.

I am contracted as a webmaster to various corporations and this particular 
group (the Socialist Peoples Party) is just one. I am given texts that are 
'supposedly' run past a committee and I don't necessarily always agree with 
the way some things are put but I can only make back-references to these and 
hope that someone will act. There is a link to the site containing the forum 
where this issue is being discussed but no absolute link to this. You are 
right in saying that there should be one. A committee is not necessarily 
made up of a full complement of wise men.

Legally, once a petition is in place, you cannot change the main text. How 
would you feel if you signed a petition and then found after you had signed 
that some ideology behind the petition had been changed in some way?


>> Why so negative?
>
> Because you are asking for signatures without presenting a good enough
> case IMHO. The text should answer *all* the questions is raises, or
> provided easy access to those answers, preferably independant. It
> doesn't.


Technically (for the reasons given in the first paragraph) I am not asing 
for signatures but placing a link to a petition of whch the basis lies in 
somethng I and my family feel strongly about. I mistakenly thought that I 
could maybe help by linking the petition here. I shall be careful in the 
future and just stick to playing the fool.....


> As you say it will refill naturally in 18 months. It will recover, the
> birds and fish will return. Nature is very resiliant. However that
> does not excuse the council from their obligations of refilling it
> from the holding tanks.
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Let's hope so Dave. But at the end of the day all the Council need do is 
pump back the water. One risk that is pending, especially in this unusually 
hot weather, is that the local tissue factory very occasionally need to draw 
water from the reservoir when they need a boost. They always pump back 
immediately when production eases off again. They have agreed not to use the 
water for the time being, but at what cost to them I wonder?

Kez. . .

From: "Dave Liquorice" 


> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:47:45 +0100, Kezzi wrote:
>
>> Jeez... you really must think I've got nothing better to do!! Your
>> 'impression' is totally wrong!
>
> Fairy nuff, so why not present that information, or a link to it, in
> the online petition speel.


It's not my petition. I didn't write it. I never said that I did.

I am contracted as a webmaster to various corporations and this particular
group (the Socialist Peoples Party) is just one. I am given texts that are
'supposedly' run past a committee and I don't necessarily always agree with
the way some things are put but I can only make back-references to these and
hope that someone will act. There is a link to the site containing the forum
where this issue is being discussed but no absolute link to this. You are
right in saying that there should be one. A committee is not necessarily
made up of a full complement of wise men.

Legally, once a petition is in place, you cannot change the main text. How
would you feel if you signed a petition and then found after you had signed
that some ideology behind the petition had been changed in some way?


>> Why so negative?
>
> Because you are asking for signatures without presenting a good enough
> case IMHO. The text should answer *all* the questions is raises, or
> provided easy access to those answers, preferably independant. It
> doesn't.


Technically (for the reasons given in the first paragraph) I am not asking
for signatures but placing a link to a petition of which the basis lies in
something I and my family feel strongly about. I mistakenly thought that I
could maybe help by linking the petition here. I shall be careful in the
future and just stick to playing the fool.....


> As you say it will refill naturally in 18 months. It will recover, the
> birds and fish will return. Nature is very resiliant. However that
> does not excuse the council from their obligations of refilling it
> from the holding tanks.
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail


Let's hope so Dave. But at the end of the day all the Council need do is
pump back the water. One risk that is pending, especially in this unusually
hot weather, is that the local tissue factory very occasionally need to draw
water from the reservoir when they need a boost. They always pump back
immediately when production eases off again. They have agreed not to use the
water for the time being, but at what cost to them I wonder?

Kez. . .

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message
news:42ce65ee_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...

> Dear all,
>
> I have just read and signed the online petition:
>
>    "Save Ormsgill Reservoir"
>
>    http://www.PetitionOnline.com/spp0001/
>
> I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might
> agree, too.  If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider
> signing yourself.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Kezzi. . .


Mick Hunt Ormsgill 19
A 19lb Carp from Ormsgill Reservoir. Possibly one of the most horrible
places in the world to fish. The fish are nice though...
fp.xscape.f9.co.uk/resser19.htmfp.xscape.f9.co.uk/resser19.htm  | Save

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cumbria/3563417.stm

This reservoir has become historical. How many more tales can it unearth.

Edith off to vote

"Kezzi" <dirty_s@nchez> wrote in message
news:42d239a1$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...

> Let's hope so Dave. But at the end of the day all the Council need do is
> pump back the water. One risk that is pending, especially in this
unusually
> hot weather, is that the local tissue factory very occasionally need to
draw
> water from the reservoir when they need a boost. They always pump back
> immediately when production eases off again. They have agreed not to use
the
> water for the time being, but at what cost to them I wonder?
>
> Kez. . .


I can smell a carp. That ground might be filled in and built on.

Edith.

There seems to be some sort of mis-understanding about newsgroups.
In an effort to broaden your understanding and I  wonder if I
could explain the function of < uk.local.*> news groups. All of them,
have been from the very beginning and will be to the very end safe
play areas for all sorts of rageing nutters, social malcontents,
controll freaks and malevolent beings. 

You may feel that they should go elsewhere but where? The asylums are
all closed. What would YOU  have off them? 

Standing in their back yards at midnight howling to the full moon and
frighting the shite out of the neighbours into the bargain? 

Have them running around shafting masons, suspected werewolves,
communists, socialists, conservatives and women with vaginal warts by
the  dozen? OR harmlessly making utter cunts of themselves in a
uk.local group?

 Lets face it what is one other utter cunt amongst the many in this
group?? I know what I prefer!! The uk.local hierarchy of newsgroups is
a valuable safety valve which helps to keep society a wee bit more
safe. 

You may disagree. I would be interested to hear your opinion and no
doubt would the rest of the group. 

Thanks in advance.