After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of a 
challenge to get back in place.

The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.

Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide some 
sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to 
remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a complete 
unit.

Ta,
G.

"G-Man"  wrote in message 
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> After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of a 
> challenge to get back in place.
>
> The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>
> Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide some 
> sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to 
> remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a 
> complete unit.
>
> Ta,
> G.
>


I once used a homemade airbag (not the accident kind) under the Volvo 
gearbox to get it in place.

"G-Man"  wrote in message
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> After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of a
> challenge to get back in place.
>
> The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>
> Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide some
> sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to
> remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a
complete
> unit.


You just need a mate to give you a hand makes it easier.

G-Man wrote in message <9oUxe.61624$G8.44589@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>...

>After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of a
>challenge to get back in place.
>
>The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>
>Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide some
>sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to
>remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a complete
>unit.
>
>Ta,
>G.
>
>


Do you have a trolley jack? I find these can be useful to take the weight
whilst making it quite easy to move. If you are working on a rough surface
eg uneven concrete, a bit of sheet ply or even hardboard should make moving
easier.
Don't forget to use a clutch plate alignment tool or an old input shaft
otherwise yo will be there till christmas trying to get it fitted.

Good Luck

Bob

"G-Man"  wrote in message 
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> After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of a 
> challenge to get back in place.
>
> The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>
> Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide some 
> sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to 
> remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a 
> complete unit.
>
> Ta,
> G.


When I need an engine hoist I usually use HSS (any hire shop'll do) and hire 
a hydraulic crane for the weekend.
It's around 20, and worth every penny. I'm getting too old to be lifting 
cast iron engines in and out using a fence post and washing line ;)

I just wish there was an easier way of getting them up and down my cellar 
steps... :(

-- 

Tony Bond / UncleFista

www.bradford7.co.uk

Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...

> After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of a 
> challenge to get back in place.
>
> The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>
> Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide some 
> sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to 
> remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a 
> complete unit.


Ah, this brings me back.

Years ago now, the combination of constantly shite weather, lack of staying 
power on my part, lack of days with decent weather coinciding with days when 
I had time to work on it, and the sheer difficulty of getting the gearbox 
back up to mate with the engine, meant that it took me 2 months to do the 
clutch on my Mk3 Escort :-)

Peter

> Do you have a trolley jack? I find these can be useful to take the weight
> whilst making it quite easy to move. If you are working on a rough surface
> eg uneven concrete, a bit of sheet ply or even hardboard should make 
> moving
> easier.
> Don't forget to use a clutch plate alignment tool or an old input shaft
> otherwise yo will be there till christmas trying to get it fitted.


And not only that, but be aware that 12Nm, or whatever the torque is that 
they specify for the bolts that hold the clutch housing to the flywheel, is 
not a particularly high torque, and easy enough to just nip it up and do it 
by feel.  Worthwhile getting hold of a torque wrench for that extra peace of 
mind though.

Me - I chose to just tighten and tighten it until I snapped the bolt head, 
meaning I had to jam a big lever in one of the teeth on the flywheel, so I 
could remove it, drill out the remainder of the bolt, and then put the 
flywheel back on, for which I purchased a torque wrench, as I considered 
having all 5 bolts evenly torqued up (particularly, as at every 72 degrees, 
none are directly opposite each other) on something like a flywheel to be 
pretty important.

Peter

The message <NmXxe.14168$iT1.7612@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>
from "AstraVanMan"  contains
these words:


> particularly, as at every 72 degrees, 
> none are directly opposite each other) 


Why would that matter especially?

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

>> particularly, as at every 72 degrees,
>> none are directly opposite each other)
>
> Why would that matter especially?


In fact, scrub what I said, it wouldn't.  Even a simple configuration of 
four evenly spaced bolts could be potentially lethal on something crucial 
like a flywheel if things weren't evenly tightened up.

Peter

"jOn"  wrote in message 
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> You just need a mate to give you a hand makes it easier.


3 of us and a very crammed bay, with lack of decent lifting gear made it a 
wasted exercise. It's one of those things where you regret taking it on, but 
if I didn't, I wouldn't learn.

Ta,
G.

"AstraVanMan"  wrote in message 
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> Ah, this brings me back.
>
> Years ago now, the combination of constantly shite weather, lack of 
> staying power on my part, lack of days with decent weather coinciding with 
> days when I had time to work on it, and the sheer difficulty of getting 
> the gearbox back up to mate with the engine, meant that it took me 2 
> months to do the clutch on my Mk3 Escort :-)


ROFL! Funny you mention it, the 'Scort has been sitting out there for 5 
weeks now...

Ta,
G.

"Bob Minchin"  wrote in message 
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> Do you have a trolley jack? I find these can be useful to take the weight
> whilst making it quite easy to move.


I do, but I found the shape of the gearbox makes it an absolute cunt to try 
and get it to stay still and not fall.


> If you are working on a rough surface eg uneven concrete, a bit of sheet 
> ply or even hardboard should
> make moving easier.


Never tried a sheet of wood. Might give it a blast.


> Don't forget to use a clutch plate alignment tool or an old input shaft
> otherwise yo will be there till christmas trying to get it fitted.


Did it by eye and using the back end of a wheel brace that happened to fit 
*perfectly* through the clutch disc.


> Good Luck


Cheers, I'll need it.

Ta,
G.

"Stuart Gray" <me@home> wrote in message 
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> I once used a homemade airbag (not the accident kind) under the Volvo 
> gearbox to get it in place.


Unfortunately, I don't have such facilities available :-(

Ta,
G.

"Tony Bond (UncleFista)"  wrote in message 
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> When I need an engine hoist I usually use HSS (any hire shop'll do) and 
> hire a hydraulic crane for the weekend.
> It's around 20, and worth every penny. I'm getting too old to be lifting 
> cast iron engines in and out using a fence post and washing line ;)


I tried them today, there's a place just down the hill from me, but it was 
shut so I'll need to go during the week at some point.

Ta,
G.

>> You just need a mate to give you a hand makes it easier.
>
> 3 of us and a very crammed bay, with lack of decent lifting gear made it a 
> wasted exercise. It's one of those things where you regret taking it on, 
> but if I didn't, I wouldn't learn.


That's life for you!  In the end a couple of guys from next door helped us 
do it, along with a home-made lifting device made from a couple of lengths 
of wood and some rope.

Peter

"G-Man"  wrote in message 
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> After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of a 
> challenge to get back in place.
>
> The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>
> Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide some 
> sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to 
> remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a 
> complete unit.
>


trolley jack would be my choice, or if you need to take the lump out don't 
most hire places do engine hoists?

Sounds a bit extreme for a clutch swap though...

"G-Man"  wrote in message 
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> After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of a 
> challenge to get back in place.
>
> The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>
> Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide some 
> sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to 
> remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a 
> complete unit.


Good grief, I have put these in by hand on my own, lower the engine so you 
can get a good angle, get the box on your chest and lift it on.

mrcheerful

The message <_YXxe.61864$G8.19545@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "G-Man"  contains these words:


> > Don't forget to use a clutch plate alignment tool or an old input shaft
> > otherwise yo will be there till christmas trying to get it fitted.

> Did it by eye and using the back end of a wheel brace that happened to fit 
> *perfectly* through the clutch disc.


I've always eyeballed 'em, too. Never needed a wossnametool.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:44:24 +0100, Tony Bond (UncleFista)  
 wrote:


>
> "G-Man"  wrote in message
> news:9oUxe.61624$G8.44589@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more  
>> of a
>> challenge to get back in place.
>>
>> The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>>
>> Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide  
>> some
>> sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to
>> remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a
>> complete unit.
>>
>> Ta,
>> G.
>
> When I need an engine hoist I usually use HSS (any hire shop'll do) and  
> hire
> a hydraulic crane for the weekend.
> It's around 20, and worth every penny. I'm getting too old to be lifting
> cast iron engines in and out using a fence post and washing line ;)
>
> I just wish there was an easier way of getting them up and down my cellar
> steps... :(
>


The nice man at HSS will rent you a stair climber :-) More usefully, keep  
an eye on ebay for a 3 wheeled trolley, they make heavy things on stairs a  
lot less aggro.

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:07:49 +0100,  
mrcheerful                                                                           
..  wrote:


>
> "G-Man"  wrote in message
> news:9oUxe.61624$G8.44589@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more  
>> of a
>> challenge to get back in place.
>>
>> The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>>
>> Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide  
>> some
>> sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to
>> remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a
>> complete unit.
>
> Good grief, I have put these in by hand on my own, lower the engine so  
> you
> can get a good angle, get the box on your chest and lift it on.
>
> mrcheerful
>
>


It's finding the good angle the first time you do one that's the tricky  
bit.

yellow pages, tool hire?

"G-Man"  wrote in message 
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> After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of a 
> challenge to get back in place.
>
> The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
>
> Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide some 
> sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to 
> remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a 
> complete unit.
>
> Ta,
> G.
> 

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message
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>
> "G-Man"  wrote in message
> news:9oUxe.61624$G8.44589@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more of
a
> > challenge to get back in place.
> >
> > The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a jack.
> >
> > Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide
some
> > sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared to
> > remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a
> > complete unit.
>
> Good grief, I have put these in by hand on my own, lower the engine so you
> can get a good angle, get the box on your chest and lift it on.


And I've done a S3 landrover using simular method.
Mind ewe it took 3 evenings(in December) to do my 90 landy on my own coz I
cant lift the gbox and xfer box together, had to split them to make it
managable.

"G-Man"  wrote in message
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>
> "jOn"  wrote in message
> news:3iqmlaFmu91tU1@individual.net...
>
> > You just need a mate to give you a hand makes it easier.
>
> 3 of us and a very crammed bay, with lack of decent lifting gear made it a
> wasted exercise. It's one of those things where you regret taking it on,
but
> if I didn't, I wouldn't learn.


Vitaly important to check the plate splines fit the box shaft, also the
plate is lined up perfectly.
Are the drive shafts still connected?
That somtimes makes it harder, you've got to get the box up to the flywheel
and make sure it's square on, wiggle it about somtimes moving the flywheel
round helps the gbox shaft to go into the clutch.
Sometimes the engine tends to move back in the engine bay making it
impossible to get the box on.
I've has the edges of the splines burr over on the clutch plate, making the
gbox shaft impossible to get in.

"jOn"  wrote in message 
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>
> "mrcheerful ."  wrote in message
> news:FsYxe.61891$G8.35307@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> "G-Man"  wrote in message
>> news:9oUxe.61624$G8.44589@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> > After doing the clutch on the 'Scort, I'm find the gearbox a tad more 
>> > of
> a
>> > challenge to get back in place.
>> >
>> > The car's on axle stands at the mo, with the engine supported by a 
>> > jack.
>> >
>> > Anyone know of a place relatively close to Glasgow that will provide
> some
>> > sort of lifting gear to get the box back in? If need be, I'm prepared 
>> > to
>> > remove the engine, mate the two outside the car, then install as a
>> > complete unit.
>>
>> Good grief, I have put these in by hand on my own, lower the engine so 
>> you
>> can get a good angle, get the box on your chest and lift it on.
>
> And I've done a S3 landrover using simular method.
> Mind ewe it took 3 evenings(in December) to do my 90 landy on my own coz I
> cant lift the gbox and xfer box together, had to split them to make it
> managable.
>


my series 3: I removed the crossmember (cut it off) so that I could take the 
box off from underneath,  then welded plates on so that the crossmember was 
bolt on.  A very good conversion, I think.

mrcheerful

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Duncanwood 
saying something like:


>It's finding the good angle the first time you do one that's the tricky  
>bit.


Wipe off any excess lubrication; check for angle, penetrate, thrust; and
before you know it, the box is where you want it to be.
-- 

Dave
SE6a

The message 
from Grimly Curmudgeon  contains
these words:


> Wipe off any excess lubrication; check for angle, penetrate, thrust; and
> before you know it, the box is where you want it to be.


URSwissTonyAICM5

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."