I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and their 
vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The 
other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had 
been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his Metro 
suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed, 
instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual 
response to foreign accents), he asked how much?  I replied that it would be 
twenty pounds if there were no complications, he said 'would you do it for 
fifteen?'  I could not believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and 
blocked his number from calling again.  So the moral is stick to your 
principles in the first place, and instincts are usually right.

mrcheerful

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message 
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>I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and their 
>vehicles


Troll.

It's a *bloody* good job I wasn't in the shop when the assistant said to 
Charlie, "we don't serve your sorts in here."

-- 
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message
news:U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
their
> vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The
> other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had
> been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his
Metro
> suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed,
> instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual
> response to foreign accents), he asked how much?


What word have you deleted? Wogs? Coons?Spics? Niggers?

If this isn't a troll, I've just lost any respect for your replies I've ever
had - you usually
seem to know what you are talking about. Now,  because I have a foreign wife
and two mixed kids, I just think you're a cunt.

Mike

"Mike P from the North"  wrote in message 
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>
> "mrcheerful ."  wrote in message
> news:U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
> their
>> vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The
>> other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had
>> been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his
> Metro
>> suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed,
>> instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual
>> response to foreign accents), he asked how much?
>
> What word have you deleted? Wogs? Coons?Spics? Niggers?
>
> If this isn't a troll, I've just lost any respect for your replies I've 
> ever
> had - you usually
> seem to know what you are talking about. Now,  because I have a foreign 
> wife
> and two mixed kids, I just think you're a cunt.



That's why I'm hoping it's a troll, really.

-- 
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

In article <U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
   mrcheerful                                                             
            .  wrote:

> I replied that it would be twenty pounds if there were no
> complications, he said 'would you do it for fifteen?'  I could not
> believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and blocked his number
> from calling again.


Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.

-- 
*Upon the advice of my attorney, my shirt bears no message at this time

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Mike P from the North"  wrote in message 
news:Njrxe.18863$%O1.7435@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...

>
> "mrcheerful ."  wrote in message
> news:U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
> their
>> vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The
>> other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had
>> been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his
> Metro
>> suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed,
>> instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual
>> response to foreign accents), he asked how much?
>
> What word have you deleted? Wogs? Coons?Spics? Niggers?
>
> If this isn't a troll, I've just lost any respect for your replies I've 
> ever
> had - you usually
> seem to know what you are talking about. Now,  because I have a foreign 
> wife
> and two mixed kids, I just think you're a cunt.
>
> Mike


Not a troll, just an observation.  You are fully entitled to your opinion, 
as am I.
Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the fact that 
in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them out 
completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount 
disappeared overnight, likewise I don't work on taxi-drivers vehicles or 
builders vehicles.

My point was, that the one time I let my guard down, in comes someone trying 
it on.

I have personal friends (and relatives) of almost every description, race 
and creed there is, but I wouldn't work on their cars.

Years ago I went out with a Nigerian nurse, she was very nice.  (So I don't 
feel that I am biased on a personal level)

Everyone is the sum of their experiences, some of mine, particularly working 
in East London have been poor regarding foreigners.

mrcheerful

"Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
news:4d8418c233dave@davenoise.co.uk...

> In article <U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>   mrcheerful
>            .  wrote:
>> I replied that it would be twenty pounds if there were no
>> complications, he said 'would you do it for fifteen?'  I could not
>> believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and blocked his number
>> from calling again.
>
> Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.


Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he 
waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off, I 
don't work that way and I don't expect people to ask for money off on such a 
cheap job.  A dealer would charge about 50 quid I expect, and they wouldn't 
negotiate, do it while you wait or anything else.

mrcheerful

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message 
news:ANtxe.60743$G8.50621@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>
> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
> news:4d8418c233dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>> In article <U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>>   mrcheerful
>>            .  wrote:
>>> I replied that it would be twenty pounds if there were no
>>> complications, he said 'would you do it for fifteen?'  I could not
>>> believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and blocked his number
>>> from calling again.
>>
>> Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.
>
> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he 
> waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off, I 
> don't work that way


Absolutely, yes.  Aim low, come up.  You'd surely not pay the asking price 
if you were buying a car?


> and I don't expect people to ask for money off on such a cheap job.


Cheap to you.  But to some people 20 may represent almost all that they 
have left to spend that week.


> A dealer would charge about 50 quid I expect, and they wouldn't negotiate, 
> do it while you wait or anything else.


They certainly can and do negotiate.  The value of me going back to the one 
dealership for the last twelve years is worth more than a 20% discount.

-- 
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he 
> waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off, I 
> don't work that way and I don't expect people to ask for money off on such 
> a cheap job.  A dealer would charge about 50 quid I expect, and they 
> wouldn't negotiate, do it while you wait or anything else.
>


Try selling on ebay!  I once sold something and when the highest bidder came 
round he tried haggling the price (which he'd bid) down!  I told him if he 
didn't pay me what he'd bid I'd give it to the next bidder and report him.

More recently on a repair which turned out to be chargeable we agreed to 
waive the callout and labour charges (nearly 200) and just bill for the 
parts - but they still wanted a discount on the part!  We said you can 
either accept our offer or find somebody else to repair it and haggle with 
them...

Darren

In article <ANtxe.60743$G8.50621@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
   mrcheerful                                                             
            .  wrote:

> > Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.

> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he
> waits, on a moments notice! 


You expect the customer to have had several quotes so knows what the job
costs? It could even be that they did have a quote for 15 quid from
somewhere not so convenient.


> Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off, I don't work that way and I
> don't expect people to ask for money off on such a cheap job.


At one time there was retail price maintenance in this country, so a
product cost the same regardless of where you bought it. That changed
years ago, and it's possible to haggle over anything. With some cultures
it's the norm for everything. 


>  A dealer would charge about 50 quid I expect, and they wouldn't
> negotiate, do it while you wait or anything else.


A main dealer presumably has larger overheads then you? And they certainly
negotiate on car sales. And often offer lower price per hour servicing on
older cars. So nothing is set in stone, price wise.

I see where you're coming from. You think you quoted a fair price, and
were insulted when asked to lower it. Which would be fine if it were a
long term customer who knew you well.

Pragmatism would say that when dealing with one of your 'disliked
minorities' you up the quote by approx 25% so you can cheerfully reduce it
if their culture is to haggle.

-- 
*A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

mrcheerful
            . wrote:

>
> Not a troll, just an observation.  You are fully entitled to your opinion,
> as am I.
> Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the fact that
> in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them out
> completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount
> disappeared overnight, likewise I don't work on taxi-drivers vehicles or
> builders vehicles.
>
> My point was, that the one time I let my guard down, in comes someone trying
> it on.
>
> I have personal friends (and relatives) of almost every description, race
> and creed there is, but I wouldn't work on their cars.
>
> Years ago I went out with a Nigerian nurse, she was very nice.  (So I don't
> feel that I am biased on a personal level)
>
> Everyone is the sum of their experiences, some of mine, particularly working
> in East London have been poor regarding foreigners.


I see where you were comming from, but I think that you're probably a
little harsh.  Have you tried making it clear that the price isn't
negotiable if they try negotiating?

mrcheerful
            . wrote:

>
> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he
> waits, on a moments notice!


I suspect that the customer know that though.

"Mike P from the North"  wrote in message 
news:Njrxe.18863$%O1.7435@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...

> What word have you deleted? Wogs? Coons?Spics? Niggers?


Bit of an assumption surely ? You're a bit quick to jump on the race 
bandwagon aren't you ?


> If this isn't a troll, I've just lost any respect for your replies I've 
> ever
> had - you usually


You guess what someone was going to say, and due to your guess you lose 
respect for all the posts he's made before !?


> seem to know what you are talking about. Now,  because I have a foreign 
> wife
> and two mixed kids, I just think you're a cunt.


I have a mixed race child too, but unlike you I don't assume what someone 
was going to say and then jump on them from a great height. You might 
"think" he's a cunt, but until he posts something as pathetic and 
speculative as your post, you can't prove it, unlike your post which seems 
to prove that you're one...

-- 

Tony Bond / UncleFista

www.bradford7.co.uk

Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...

Had the same problem selling my car, after agreeing a price and stating that
was it; he asked to have an AA inspection done. No problem but I warned him
that whatever, the price would not change. After the test all that was found
was weeping from the front oil seal. The inspector himself said waht do you
expect and waht good value etc. In the house we go and he tries to negotiate
down to cover the cost of his test, got pretty irate as well. I showed him
the door. Afterwards relative said why not negotiate the price up as it was
so good  !!!



"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message
news:U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
their
> vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The
> other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had
> been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his
Metro
> suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed,
> instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual
> response to foreign accents), he asked how much?  I replied that it would
be
> twenty pounds if there were no complications, he said 'would you do it for
> fifteen?'  I could not believe the cheek of it and told him where to go
and
> blocked his number from calling again.  So the moral is stick to your
> principles in the first place, and instincts are usually right.
>
> mrcheerful
>
>

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:13:52 GMT, "mrcheerful
.."  wrote:



>
>Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he 
>waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off,


Yes. It's only a certain sort of Brit that doesn't haggle (too
embarassed). Everyone else in the world regards it as sensible and
normal. You should have just said 'No', instead of losing business.
-- 
R
o
o
n
e
y

"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

mrcheerful . wrote:

> 
> 
> Not a troll, just an observation.  You are fully entitled to your opinion, 
> as am I.
> Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the fact that 
> in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them out 
> completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount 


*Everything* is negotiable. If you can't _handle_ that, then you have a 
lot to learn about work/business.

mrcheerful . wrote:

> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
> news:4d8418c233dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> 
>>In article <U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>>  mrcheerful
>>           .  wrote:
>>
>>>I replied that it would be twenty pounds if there were no
>>>complications, he said 'would you do it for fifteen?'  I could not
>>>believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and blocked his number
>>>from calling again.
>>
>>Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.
> 
> 
> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he 
> waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off, I 
> don't work that way and I don't expect people to ask for money off on such a 
> cheap job.  A dealer would charge about 50 quid I expect, and they wouldn't 
> negotiate, do it while you wait or anything else.
> 


Next time, quote higher. "They" will also feel better when they ask for 
the discount (to your 'normal' 20) as you will approve and therefore a 
happier customer than otherwise.

The message <vduxe.13134$5D4.12096@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>
from "Darren Jarvis"  contains these words:


> Try selling on ebay!  I once sold something and when the highest
> bidder came 
> round he tried haggling the price (which he'd bid) down!  I told him if he 
> didn't pay me what he'd bid I'd give it to the next bidder and report him.


That's a different situation. A winning eBay bidder has entered a
contract with you. 

I'm all for haggling - I got the habit when I was the buyer for a small
electronics firm.

Of course, I prefer not paying at all - skipweaseling things is much
nicer. I got a rather nice rowing machine a while ago - minus a back leg
but that's nothing to a bloke with a welder and a garden full of scrap
iron.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

mrcheerful                                                                          .  wrote on Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:13:52 GMT:

> 
> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
> news:4d8418c233dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>> In article <U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>>   mrcheerful
>>            .  wrote:
>>> I replied that it would be twenty pounds if there were no
>>> complications, he said 'would you do it for fifteen?'  I could not
>>> believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and blocked his number
>>> from calling again.
>>
>> Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.
> 
> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he 
> waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off,


Yes.  The key word is "ask".

I suspect it had more to do with your prejudice than anything else.

If someone without a "foreign accent" had tried to bargain with you,
would you have told them where to go and blocked them from ever
calling you again?

-- 
David Taylor

"Tony Bond \(UncleFista\)"  wrote on Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:51:54 GMT:

> 
> "Mike P from the North"  wrote in message 
> news:Njrxe.18863$%O1.7435@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> What word have you deleted? Wogs? Coons?Spics? Niggers?
> 
> Bit of an assumption surely ? You're a bit quick to jump on the race 
> bandwagon aren't you ?
> 
>> If this isn't a troll, I've just lost any respect for your replies I've 
>> ever
>> had - you usually
> 
> You guess what someone was going to say, and due to your guess you lose 
> respect for all the posts he's made before !?


Well what else does

"(my usual response to foreign accents)"

mean, if not that he's racist?

-- 
David Taylor

mrcheerful                                                                          .  wrote on Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:00:20 GMT:

> So the moral is stick to your  principles in the first place,


Well, you've seemed very intelligent, but based on this post,
I'll follow my principles...

*plonk*

-- 
David Taylor

mrcheerful . wrote:

> I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
> their vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC
> correctness).  The other morning there was a phone call from someone
> with an accent who had been recommended by the place that does my
> MoTs for me, he needed his Metro suspension pumped up, he needed it
> done the same day, stupidly I agreed, instead of just saying I was
> not taking any work at present (my usual response to foreign
> accents), he asked how much?  I replied that it would be twenty
> pounds if there were no complications, he said 'would you do it for
> fifteen?'  I could not believe the cheek of it and told him where to
> go and blocked his number from calling again.  So the moral is stick
> to your principles in the first place, and instincts are usually
> right.
>
> mrcheerful


Do you try and negotiate the best discounts from *your* suppliers?

If the answer is yes, then you do exactly the same thing as the
aformentioned 'customer' - so what's the problem?

If the answer is no, then you cannot be much of a business 'person' (to be
PC) and your profits must suffer as you could be losing anything from 5% to
around 30% on parts alone.

So, would the true reason for the refusal have something to do with racial
discrimination?


Brian G

"Guy King"  wrote in message
news:313030303432373942C6CCAF58@zetnet.co.uk...

> The message <vduxe.13134$5D4.12096@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>
> from "Darren Jarvis"  contains these words:
>
> > Try selling on ebay!  I once sold something and when the highest
> > bidder came
> > round he tried haggling the price (which he'd bid) down!  I told him if
he
> > didn't pay me what he'd bid I'd give it to the next bidder and report
him.
>
> That's a different situation. A winning eBay bidder has entered a
> contract with you.
>
> I'm all for haggling - I got the habit when I was the buyer for a small
> electronics firm.
>
> Of course, I prefer not paying at all - skipweaseling things is much
> nicer. I got a rather nice rowing machine a while ago - minus a back leg
> but that's nothing to a bloke with a welder and a garden full of scrap
> iron.


I wonder if skip truck drivers end up with houses full of "finds" ?

"David Taylor"  wrote in message 
news:da6j9h$2k0c$2@outcold.yadt.co.uk...

> mrcheerful 
> .  wrote on Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:13:52 GMT:
>>
>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
>> news:4d8418c233dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>>> In article <U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>>>   mrcheerful
>>>            .  wrote:
>>>> I replied that it would be twenty pounds if there were no
>>>> complications, he said 'would you do it for fifteen?'  I could not
>>>> believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and blocked his number
>>>> from calling again.
>>>
>>> Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.
>>
>> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he
>> waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off,
>
> Yes.  The key word is "ask".
>
> I suspect it had more to do with your prejudice than anything else.
>
> If someone without a "foreign accent" had tried to bargain with you,
> would you have told them where to go and blocked them from ever
> calling you again?
>


Actually, yes.  But my chosen customers are so well behaved it would not 
occur !!!!

mrcheerful

"Brian G"  wrote in message 
news:3io2peFmfev0U1@individual.net...

> mrcheerful . wrote:
>> I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
>> their vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC
>> correctness).  The other morning there was a phone call from someone
>> with an accent who had been recommended by the place that does my
>> MoTs for me, he needed his Metro suspension pumped up, he needed it
>> done the same day, stupidly I agreed, instead of just saying I was
>> not taking any work at present (my usual response to foreign
>> accents), he asked how much?  I replied that it would be twenty
>> pounds if there were no complications, he said 'would you do it for
>> fifteen?'  I could not believe the cheek of it and told him where to
>> go and blocked his number from calling again.  So the moral is stick
>> to your principles in the first place, and instincts are usually
>> right.
>>
>> mrcheerful
>
> Do you try and negotiate the best discounts from *your* suppliers?
>
> If the answer is yes, then you do exactly the same thing as the
> aformentioned 'customer' - so what's the problem?
>
> If the answer is no, then you cannot be much of a business 'person' (to be
> PC) and your profits must suffer as you could be losing anything from 5% 
> to
> around 30% on parts alone.
>
> So, would the true reason for the refusal have something to do with racial
> discrimination?
>


To be honest, speed of supply is the most important, my mark up is the same 
whether something is cheap or dear.  I usually only get genuine parts and 
the discount on these is pretty fixed, unless you are a very large buyer. 
If necessary I just go into Halfords or whatever and buy the bits with no 
discount, I don't stand there whingeing about getting trade discount, I 
wouldn't be so rude, if I buy lots from one place then I present a trade 
order, and usually get the trade discount, but I wouldn't argue if there was 
none.

My refusal was to someone of a type that I don't deal with, it could as 
easily have been any race, but from experience I know that foreigners, in 
this case an Asian are likely to try for 'best price' , which is why I don't 
usually deal with them, in this case I made a mistake by even discussing it 
and I was proved right in that proven customer rejection systems are a good 
policy to avoid grief.

mrcheerful

The message 
from "jOn"  contains these words:


> I wonder if skip truck drivers end up with houses full of "finds" ?


No - they usually flog it on.

The local housing association regularly collect fly-tipped stuff - some
of which can be quite handy, but there are strict rules about 'em
selling it. Which is a bummer - if I want two or three old bicycle
frames I have to go snaffle 'em first in case someone sees 'em handing
'em to me. Even if I'm not paying it could get 'em into trouble.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message 
news:UeCxe.61140$G8.60227@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>
> "David Taylor"  wrote in message 
> news:da6j9h$2k0c$2@outcold.yadt.co.uk...
>> mrcheerful .  wrote on Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:13:52 GMT:
>>>
>>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
>>> news:4d8418c233dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>>>> In article <U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>>>>   mrcheerful
>>>>            .  wrote:
>>>>> I replied that it would be twenty pounds if there were no
>>>>> complications, he said 'would you do it for fifteen?'  I could not
>>>>> believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and blocked his 
>>>>> number
>>>>> from calling again.
>>>>
>>>> Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.
>>>
>>> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he
>>> waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off,
>>
>> Yes.  The key word is "ask".
>>
>> I suspect it had more to do with your prejudice than anything else.
>>
>> If someone without a "foreign accent" had tried to bargain with you,
>> would you have told them where to go and blocked them from ever
>> calling you again?
>>
>
> Actually, yes.  But my chosen customers are so well behaved it would not 
> occur !!!!


a cynic may call them mugs :)

but back to the original quetion you posed, if you didn't want to do the 
job, then you should have quoted what you thought would have made the guy 
walk away
if it's 50 from a deal you should have said 50 mate, take it or leave it, 
either way, you will have to wait till the end of the day and if there are 
any problems i'm going to have to keep the car until i can fix them, for 
which i will be charging you even more money


>
> mrcheerful
> 

> Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the fact
that
> in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them out
> completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount
> disappeared overnight, likewise I don't work on taxi-drivers vehicles or
> builders vehicles.
>
> My point was, that the one time I let my guard down, in comes someone
trying
> it on.


Don't worry about it - I'm very, very English (Traced to about 17th century)
and I'd have asked you the same question - so its not just foreigners you
have to be suspicious of, it's us English as well. (Though lots of my family
are from the West Midlands and up North, which is pretty bad as I'm really
rather southern!)

Artie  (My NG posting name)

"Guy King"  wrote in message
news:313030303432373942C7059139@zetnet.co.uk...

> The message 
> from "jOn"  contains these words:
>
> > I wonder if skip truck drivers end up with houses full of "finds" ?
>
> No - they usually flog it on.
>
> The local housing association regularly collect fly-tipped stuff - some
> of which can be quite handy, but there are strict rules about 'em
> selling it. Which is a bummer - if I want two or three old bicycle
> frames I have to go snaffle 'em first in case someone sees 'em handing
> 'em to me. Even if I'm not paying it could get 'em into trouble.


Hmmm :)  Been offered a job as a skip truck driver, make a change from fixin
n m.o.t.ing cars :O)

"T."  wrote in message
news:42c6bbad$0$4095$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

> mrcheerful . wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not a troll, just an observation.  You are fully entitled to your
opinion,
> > as am I.
> > Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the fact
that
> > in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them
out
> > completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount
>
> *Everything* is negotiable. If you can't _handle_ that, then you have a
> lot to learn about work/business.



not its not, he's running a business not a bloody charity !

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message
news:ANtxe.60743$G8.50621@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>
> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
> news:4d8418c233dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> > In article <U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> >   mrcheerful
> >            .  wrote:
> >> I replied that it would be twenty pounds if there were no
> >> complications, he said 'would you do it for fifteen?'  I could not
> >> believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and blocked his number
> >> from calling again.
> >
> > Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.
>
> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he
> waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off, I
> don't work that way and I don't expect people to ask for money off on such
a
> cheap job.  A dealer would charge about 50 quid I expect, and they
wouldn't
> negotiate, do it while you wait or anything else.
>
> mrcheerful
>
>


your absolutely right, try going into Sainsbury's filling up your shopping
trolley then asking for discount at the checkout, what you reckon the
response will be ?

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message
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> I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
their
> vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The
> other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had
> been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his
Metro
> suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed,
> instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual
> response to foreign accents), he asked how much?  I replied that it would
be
> twenty pounds if there were no complications, he said 'would you do it for
> fifteen?'  I could not believe the cheek of it and told him where to go
and
> blocked his number from calling again.  So the moral is stick to your
> principles in the first place, and instincts are usually right.
>
> mrcheerful
>
>


no matter who they are , there's too many piss-takers ( customers ) in the
motor trade, you can give a quote, guesstimate, what ever you call it, even
a quote set in stone and the feckers still moan when they get the bill, you
cannot win with the general public !!!!!

reg  wrote on Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:37:55 +0100:

> 
> "T."  wrote in message
> news:42c6bbad$0$4095$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> mrcheerful . wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Not a troll, just an observation.  You are fully entitled to your
> opinion,
>> > as am I.
>> > Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the fact
> that
>> > in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them
> out
>> > completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount
>>
>> *Everything* is negotiable. If you can't _handle_ that, then you have a
>> lot to learn about work/business.
> 
> 
> not its not, he's running a business not a bloody charity !


So you say "no".  Not throw a strop and ban them from your shop because
they're foreign.

-- 
David Taylor

"David Taylor"  wrote in message
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> reg  wrote on Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:37:55 +0100:
> >
> > "T."  wrote in message
> > news:42c6bbad$0$4095$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> >> mrcheerful . wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Not a troll, just an observation.  You are fully entitled to your
> > opinion,
> >> > as am I.
> >> > Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the
fact
> > that
> >> > in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them
> > out
> >> > completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount
> >>
> >> *Everything* is negotiable. If you can't _handle_ that, then you have a
> >> lot to learn about work/business.
> >
> >
> > not its not, he's running a business not a bloody charity !
>
> So you say "no".  Not throw a strop and ban them from your shop because
> they're foreign.
>
> --
> David Taylor


sorry but you must have been reading a different post then me, I didn't read
anywhere that he throw a strop. The customer asked a price a price was given
and then the customer tried to negotiate the price & that was declined.
we don't do work for  " travellers " for the very same reason, they want it
done for bugger all !!!
again others may have different opinions on this and wish to give their
profits, ( what little there is of it ) away.

"mrcheerful ."  wrote in message
news:U3qxe.60675$G8.2472@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
their
> vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The
> other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had
> been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his
Metro
> suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed,
> instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual
> response to foreign accents), he asked how much?  I replied that it would
be
> twenty pounds if there were no complications, he said 'would you do it for
> fifteen?'  I could not believe the cheek of it and told him where to go
and
> blocked his number from calling again.  So the moral is stick to your
> principles in the first place, and instincts are usually right.


Unfortunately I know what you mean and unfortunately it is classed as
racism. It either costs my company thousands of pounds, results in criminal
acts or in worse case scenarios someone gets seriously injured. Despite the
odd being stacked highly against certain groups I can not legally
discriminate for any reason.

Despite being unprejudiced I am still labelled a racist and face threats and
violence on a weekly basis, sometimes daily despite sticking to the law.

"David Taylor"  wrote in message
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> "Tony Bond \(UncleFista\)"  wrote on Sat, 02 Jul

2005 11:51:54 GMT:

> >
> > "Mike P from the North"  wrote in message
> > news:Njrxe.18863$%O1.7435@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> >> What word have you deleted? Wogs? Coons?Spics? Niggers?
> >
> > Bit of an assumption surely ? You're a bit quick to jump on the race
> > bandwagon aren't you ?
> >
> >> If this isn't a troll, I've just lost any respect for your replies I've
> >> ever
> >> had - you usually
> >
> > You guess what someone was going to say, and due to your guess you lose
> > respect for all the posts he's made before !?
>
> Well what else does
>
> "(my usual response to foreign accents)"
>
> mean, if not that he's racist?
>

Once bitten, twice shy?



> -- 
> David Taylor

mrcheerful
            . wrote:

> I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and their
> vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The
> other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had
> been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his Metro
> suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed,
> instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual
> response to foreign accents), he asked how much?  I replied that it would be
> twenty pounds if there were no complications, he said 'would you do it for
> fifteen?'  I could not believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and
> blocked his number from calling again.  So the moral is stick to your
> principles in the first place, and instincts are usually right.
>
> mrcheerful


What did you expect?? You're in the Motor Trade son not exactly the
most
respected of occupations when it's common practise to Rip off the
General public.

Also I don't know why everyone is shocked at his apparent racism, as he
deserves
our pity for being a grease monkey and therefore not the sharpest tool
in the 
box.

wrote in message
news:1120412380.124501.232500@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
>
> mrcheerful
>             . wrote:
> > I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
their
> > vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The
> > other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had
> > been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his
Metro
> > suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed,
> > instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual
> > response to foreign accents), he asked how much?  I replied that it
would be
> > twenty pounds if there were no complications, he said 'would you do it
for
> > fifteen?'  I could not believe the cheek of it and told him where to go
and
> > blocked his number from calling again.  So the moral is stick to your
> > principles in the first place, and instincts are usually right.
> >
> > mrcheerful
>
> What did you expect?? You're in the Motor Trade son not exactly the
> most
> respected of occupations when it's common practise to Rip off the
> General public.
>
> Also I don't know why everyone is shocked at his apparent racism, as he
> deserves
> our pity for being a grease monkey and therefore not the sharpest tool
> in the
> box.
> #


and you base these opinions on what exactly ?

wrote in message
news:1120412380.124501.232500@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
>
> mrcheerful
>             . wrote:
> > I have my own unique set of rules for vetting potential customers and
their
> > vehicles, one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness).  The
> > other morning there was a phone call from someone with an accent who had
> > been recommended by the place that does my MoTs for me, he needed his
Metro
> > suspension pumped up, he needed it done the same day, stupidly I agreed,
> > instead of just saying I was not taking any work at present (my usual
> > response to foreign accents), he asked how much?  I replied that it
would be
> > twenty pounds if there were no complications, he said 'would you do it
for
> > fifteen?'  I could not believe the cheek of it and told him where to go
and
> > blocked his number from calling again.  So the moral is stick to your
> > principles in the first place, and instincts are usually right.
> >
> > mrcheerful
>
> What did you expect?? You're in the Motor Trade son not exactly the
> most
> respected of occupations when it's common practise to Rip off the
> General public.
>
> Also I don't know why everyone is shocked at his apparent racism, as he
> deserves
> our pity for being a grease monkey and therefore not the sharpest tool
> in the
> box.
>


just out of interest what do you do for a living ?

>> I replied that it would be twenty pounds if there were no
>> complications, he said 'would you do it for fifteen?'  I could not
>> believe the cheek of it and told him where to go and blocked his number
>> from calling again.
>
> Why is it a cheek to bargain? If you don't ask, you don't get.


True in a sense, but at the end of the day doing any job on a car for 20 is 
rock bottom money, and it is taking the piss to knock that down.  Whilst I 
don't like mrcheerful's racist attitude, I can certainly understand this 
aspect.  Having said that, I'd say it's often worth upping the price a bit 
if you get the impression that the person asking is going to haggle over the 
price, so you end up at the price you'd have originally quoted anyway.

Peter

>> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he 
>> waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off, 
>> I don't work that way and I don't expect people to ask for money off on 
>> such a cheap job.  A dealer would charge about 50 quid I expect, and they 
>> wouldn't negotiate, do it while you wait or anything else.
>
> Try selling on ebay!  I once sold something and when the highest bidder 
> came round he tried haggling the price (which he'd bid) down!  I told him 
> if he didn't pay me what he'd bid I'd give it to the next bidder and 
> report him.


Tell me about it.  About 18 months ago I sold my non-running Mk5 Fiesta van 
on ebay (head was in the boot).  It was worth around 2000-3000 running 
(depending on how overpriced you consider a 'fair price' to be), and it went 
for around 1310 IIRC.  I said on the auction that I could deliver within 50 
miles for 1/mile, but collection would be preferable, and that it needed to 
be towed in any case.  Phoned up the bloke and asked when he'd be able to 
come round to pick it up - "I thought you were delivering it".  Partly my 
fault - I should have made it clear on the auction that the prospective 
winning bidder should at least ask in advance, so I could arrange a 
convenient time (and person to help with the towing).  In the end I managed 
(just) to get someone to help me out, but the guy started off trying to 
haggle over the delivery charge (I'd already done it cheap - guessed it at 
around 50 miles - turned out nearer 55 miles), and when I got there he said 
"call it 1350?".  I'm not one for getting mad with people unneccesarily, 
but calmly said "no" in no uncertain terms, explaining that I've already 
towed the thing 55 miles around the M25 to him, and he's getting a good van 
with an easy repair at a good price anyway, and no I'm not going to knock 
another tenner off an agreed price.

What also annoyed me was that my mate's wife (who came along to help with 
towing), said "there's no point trying to change his mind", as if it was a 
reasonable thing to haggle on in the first place.  Fair enough if it was 
something I'd advertised in the local rag, and someone had come around to 
have a look, with a possible view to buy, but this was trying to haggle on 
an agreed price, where I'd just towed the fucking thing 55 miles to the guy.

In fairness, the guy was a decent enough bloke - just fairly new to ebay and 
not completely familiar with the fact that doing somethin g like that wasn't 
the done thing


> More recently on a repair which turned out to be chargeable we agreed to 
> waive the callout and labour charges (nearly 200) and just bill for the 
> parts - but they still wanted a discount on the part!  We said you can 
> either accept our offer or find somebody else to repair it and haggle with 
> them...


The world's full of 'em.

Peter

mrcheerful. (nbkm57@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : 


>>> one of the rules is no (word deleted for PC correctness). 

>> What word have you deleted? Wogs? Coons?Spics? Niggers?

> Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.


So why did you feel the need to "delete it for PC correctness"? 
"Foreigner" is a perfectly semantically accurate word and concept. Do you 
check all your potential customers passports, though? Or just those who you 
think might be "Johnny Foreigner"?

What *IS* PC correctness, anyway? Either it's something to do with your 
computer or it's a tautology.

David Taylor (davidt-news@yadt.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying : 


> Well what else does
> 
> "(my usual response to foreign accents)"
> 
> mean, if not that he's racist?


That he's a Xenophobe.

A racist discriminates on the grounds of race. Many people of different 
races carry UK passports. Many people carrying non-UK passports are 
caucasian.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist
racism
   1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or 
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
   2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

A Xenophobe dislikes people on the grounds of nationality.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobe
xenophobe
    A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, 
especially of strangers or foreign peoples.

Neither are attractive character traits; and both are signs of a very 
small, very closed mind.

Adrian  wrote on 04 Jul 2005 07:48:47 GMT:

> David Taylor (davidt-news@yadt.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying : 
> 
>> Well what else does
>> 
>> "(my usual response to foreign accents)"
>> 
>> mean, if not that he's racist?
> 
> That he's a Xenophobe.
> 
> A racist discriminates on the grounds of race. Many people of different 
> races carry UK passports. Many people carrying non-UK passports are 
> caucasian.

 
Ah, yes, I suppose that would be more accurate.


> Neither are attractive character traits; and both are signs of a very 
> small, very closed mind.


Here, I agree...

-- 
David Taylor

"T."  wrote in message
news:42c6bbad$0$4095$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

> mrcheerful . wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not a troll, just an observation.  You are fully entitled to your
opinion,
> > as am I.
> > Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the fact
that
> > in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them
out
> > completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount
>
> *Everything* is negotiable. If you can't _handle_ that, then you have a
> lot to learn about work/business.


The problem is, not everyone uses the same rules. If you say that job X is
fifty quid, and he's a hard bargainer, you may wish that you'd said sixty
quid and you could have come down to fifty. If he's not a hard bargainer and
you said sixty, you've scared him off and lost the job. Me, when I say fifty
it's fifty, and when he says "can you do it for forty" I say "I could do it
for ten, but I'm not going to".

Steve

shazzbat  wrote on Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:34:20 +0100:

> 
> "T."  wrote in message
> news:42c6bbad$0$4095$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> mrcheerful . wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Not a troll, just an observation.  You are fully entitled to your
> opinion,
>> > as am I.
>> > Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the fact
> that
>> > in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them
> out
>> > completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount
>>
>> *Everything* is negotiable. If you can't _handle_ that, then you have a
>> lot to learn about work/business.
> 
> The problem is, not everyone uses the same rules. If you say that job X is
> fifty quid, and he's a hard bargainer, you may wish that you'd said sixty
> quid and you could have come down to fifty. If he's not a hard bargainer and
> you said sixty, you've scared him off and lost the job. Me, when I say fifty
> it's fifty, and when he says "can you do it for forty" I say "I could do it
> for ten, but I'm not going to".


There's a difference between saying "fifty", then refusing to go any
lower if they try to negotiate, or saying "fifty" then barring them
from your shop if they try to negotiate!

-- 
David Taylor

"David Taylor"  wrote in message 
news:dac0at$1v9t$1@outcold.yadt.co.uk...

> shazzbat  wrote on Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:34:20 
> +0100:
>>
>> "T."  wrote in message
>> news:42c6bbad$0$4095$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>> mrcheerful . wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Not a troll, just an observation.  You are fully entitled to your
>> opinion,
>>> > as am I.
>>> > Oddly enough the word 'was' foreigner.  The rule arose through the 
>>> > fact
>> that
>>> > in the main the  troublesome customers were foreigners, so I cut them
>> out
>>> > completely, whingeing and trying to get the job done at a discount
>>>
>>> *Everything* is negotiable. If you can't _handle_ that, then you have a
>>> lot to learn about work/business.
>>
>> The problem is, not everyone uses the same rules. If you say that job X 
>> is
>> fifty quid, and he's a hard bargainer, you may wish that you'd said sixty
>> quid and you could have come down to fifty. If he's not a hard bargainer 
>> and
>> you said sixty, you've scared him off and lost the job. Me, when I say 
>> fifty
>> it's fifty, and when he says "can you do it for forty" I say "I could do 
>> it
>> for ten, but I'm not going to".
>
> There's a difference between saying "fifty", then refusing to go any
> lower if they try to negotiate, or saying "fifty" then barring them
> from your shop if they try to negotiate!
>

if the job is worth 50 notes then trying to haggle should result in a "it's 
50, if you want to get it done for 40 offer it to someone who will do it 
for 40"


> -- 
> David Taylor 

"AstraVanMan"  wrote in message 
news:STWxe.14073$iT1.8232@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...

>>> Cheap job in the first place on a car I have never seen before, while he 
>>> waits, on a moments notice!  Is it reasonable to ask for 25 percent off, 
>>> I don't work that way and I don't expect people to ask for money off on 
>>> such a cheap job.  A dealer would charge about 50 quid I expect, and 
>>> they wouldn't negotiate, do it while you wait or anything else.
>>
>> Try selling on ebay!  I once sold something and when the highest bidder 
>> came round he tried haggling the price (which he'd bid) down!  I told him 
>> if he didn't pay me what he'd bid I'd give it to the next bidder and 
>> report him.
>
> Tell me about it.  About 18 months ago I sold my non-running Mk5 Fiesta 
> van on ebay (head was in the boot).  It was worth around 2000-3000 
> running (depending on how overpriced you consider a 'fair price' to be), 
> and it went for around 1310 IIRC.  I said on the auction that I could 
> deliver within 50 miles for 1/mile, but collection would be preferable, 
> and that it needed to be towed in any case.  Phoned up the bloke and asked 
> when he'd be able to come round to pick it up - "I thought you were 
> delivering it".  Partly my fault - I should have made it clear on the 
> auction that the prospective winning bidder should at least ask in 
> advance, so I could arrange a convenient time (and person to help with the 
> towing).  In the end I managed (just) to get someone to help me out, but 
> the guy started off trying to haggle over the delivery charge (I'd already 
> done it cheap - guessed it at around 50 miles - turned out nearer 55 
> miles), and when I got there he said "call it 1350?".  I'm not one for 
> getting mad with people unneccesarily, but calmly said "no" in no 
> uncertain terms, explaining that I've already towed the thing 55 miles 
> around the M25 to him, and he's getting a good van with an easy repair at 
> a good price anyway, and no I'm not going to knock another tenner off an 
> agreed price.
>
> What also annoyed me was that my mate's wife (who came along to help with 
> towing), said "there's no point trying to change his mind", as if it was a 
> reasonable thing to haggle on in the first place.  Fair enough if it was 
> something I'd advertised in the local rag, and someone had come around to 
> have a look, with a possible view to buy, but this was trying to haggle on 
> an agreed price, where I'd just towed the fucking thing 55 miles to the 
> guy.
>
> In fairness, the guy was a decent enough bloke - just fairly new to ebay 
> and not completely familiar with the fact that doing somethin g like that 
> wasn't the done thing
>

well, if he's seen the error of his ways it's good thing :)
i've been for a 500 mile round trip only to find that it was going to cost 
ME 250 for the previlege :(
i was hoping to get 150 ot of the deal but it all went tits up in a big way 
and then some



>> More recently on a repair which turned out to be chargeable we agreed to 
>> waive the callout and labour charges (nearly 200) and just bill for the 
>> parts - but they still wanted a discount on the part!  We said you can 
>> either accept our offer or find somebody else to repair it and haggle 
>> with them...
>
> The world's full of 'em.
>
> Peter
> 

Why is it,  that the greatest number of follow-on posts are on "off-topic"
matters?

Don't you just love usenet.






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> Why is it,  that the greatest number of follow-on posts are on "off-topic"
> matters?
>
> Don't you just love usenet.
>
>



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"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
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>> Why is it,  that the greatest number of follow-on posts are on 
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>> Don't you just love usenet.
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> Typical !!!
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rant
follwed by question
followed by a mona
followed by on topic steering towards again post
:)


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